Nanoha Force

Nanya

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#51
And this one of the reasons I got heavily annoyed with Force...

Besides Aki's complaints...

...

And Hayate getting stabbied...

And the short chapters...

And the chapters split with the second part being less than 10 pages...
 

Akiyoshi

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#52
Yup, one annoying pacing-related inconvenience after another xDU
 

Kaijo

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#53
Words of wisdom? Find some other stuff to read/watch!

Seriously. The month long waits are annoying to me, too. I'm not as much into Force as I might otherwise be because of that. So I look into other stuff like Accel World (good series). Or read/watch current stuff like Fairy Tail, Gargantia, Muromi-san, etc. Tons of stuff. So if you're bored, I'll give ya suggestions to entertain, and the next Force chapter will be here before you know it
 

Hoki

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#54
A month long hiatus? Well that slightly sucks.

I just hope there're still be the translated chapters... I guess not.

Wait, does that mean Vivid is on hiatus too?
 

Rising Dragon

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#55
Raiser's team is releasing the translations monthly, so we'll still have something to read. Honestly, latest chapter hiatuses only means we'll catch up quicker.
 

keroko

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#56
Yeah, I'm with RD on this one. Force is a pretty talk-heavy manga, so chapters without translations don't really tell us much anyway. And with the translation team doing only a release a month, one month without a new RAW doesn't mean a month without Force for us.
 

Hoki

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#57
Kaijo said:
Words of wisdom? Find some other stuff to read/watch!

Seriously. The month long waits are annoying to me, too. I'm not as much into Force as I might otherwise be because of that. So I look into other stuff like Accel World (good series). Or read/watch current stuff like Fairy Tail, Gargantia, Muromi-san, etc. Tons of stuff. So if you're bored, I'll give ya suggestions to entertain, and the next Force chapter will be here before you know it
Any really good action anime, preferably mecha, or any rom-com anime that you might recommend then?
 

Akiyoshi

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#58
Hoki said:
Any really good action anime, preferably mecha, or any rom-com anime that you might recommend then?
I don't know if my tastes are reliable enough but this couple of weeks i've been watching Elemental Gelade anime, not only it's a pretty fun adventure series but the premise shows a LOT of similarities with FORCE ...only best executed, specially the two main protagonists who are Tohma and Lily in all but name xD! The series uses a concept very similar to Strosek Reactors/Unison Devices.
 

lhklan

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#59
Akiyoshi said:
Hoki said:
Any really good action anime, preferably mecha, or any rom-com anime that you might recommend then?
I don't know if my tastes are reliable enough but this couple of weeks i've been watching Elemental Gelade anime, not only it's a pretty fun adventure series but the premise shows a LOT of similarities with FORCE ...only best executed, specially the two main protagonists who are Tohma and Lily in all but name xD! The series uses a concept very similar to Strosek Reactors/Unison Devices.
It's the other way around. Elemental Gelade manga originaly came out in 2002, while Force came out in 2009.
 

Akiyoshi

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#60
lhklan said:
It's the other way around. Elemental Gelade manga originaly came out in 2002, while Force came out in 2009.
Yeah, sorry about my failure at semantics, but still the series portrays the concept of Reacting in a more well executed way. At least i think Coud and Ren are more believable than Tohma and Lily (for starters, Coud, while still heroic and idea.listic, have a more realistic and grounded morality, the guy can recognize a dangerous person when he sees it, Tohma could learn a thing or two from him).
 

Kaijo

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#61
Hoki said:
Any really good action anime, preferably mecha, or any rom-com anime that you might recommend then?
For mecha, currently watching two series airing this season:

Suisei no Gargantia (ongoing) - More like a series with a mecha, rather than a mecha series. It starts in space, with humans fighting aliens. One particular pilot and his mecha (which has an AI) get caught in a warp field and end up being fished out of the ocean by a fleet of ships on earth (that appears to be post global-warming and other stuff). As far as he knows, Earth is supposedly a dead planet, so he is surprised to find humans there. His mecha far outranks any of their tech (crude mechs), but he has to learn their language and culture and find a way to fit in. It's a "fish out of water" and "growing up" story more than anything else, but with hints that he may have traveled through time as well as space.

Valvrave the Liberator (ongoing) - A more typical mecha series, made by Sunrise (which makes the gundam franchise). Starts fairly typical, with one country attacking another in space, to seize a super secret mecha that was being constructed under a high school. One of the high school kids finds himself in it, and pilots it to destroy several enemy mecha easily. But before he can even start it, the OS of the mecha asks him if he resigns as a human being, and when he says yes, it pricks him on both sides of his neck. The implications of what it did to him, come out at the very end of the episode (watch past the end music and credits). It's an interesting twist, and I'm curious to see where it is going.

For action:

Sword Art Online (25 eps)- You've probably at least heard of it, and while I won't say it is super-awesome like the legions of fans it has, I did find it fairly decent. Loved the music. If you haven't watched it, I suggest you do, at least so you know what everyone is talking about. Basic premise: guy plays a virtual MMO but he, and about 10,000 other players, find themselves trapped in the game by the game's creator. The only way to escape, is to beat the game. Death in the game world, means the VR helmet on their head on their real body, will fry their brain (trying to remove it in the real world also fries their brain). Does have fairly strong romantic plot lines, too.

Accel World (24 eps)- A guy named Reki made both SAO above, and this one. And since Reki is a real gaming nerd, this anime also has a strong gaming angle to it. While SAO is more MMO based, this is more fighting-game based. It's 2047, and everyone has a small wearable computer around their neck called a Neuro Linker, which interfaces wirelessly with their brain. Gives them an augmented reality kind of view, like a super version of Google Glasses. The protagonist middle school kid gets access to a secret program for his Neuro Linker called "Brain Burst" which allows him to freeze time, and also participate in a secret underground fighting-game along with other kids. I find this series notable for two main reasons: #1 being that the protagonist isn't typical... he's short and fat, which I feel is a risky move (and for which gets him a lot of fan hate). But his insecurities and self-esteem issues that come from that, play heavily and importantly in the plot. And #2: the social mores regarding the technology of the Neuro Linker are explored and dealt with in a number of interesting ways. As a tech geek, I like seeing how technology can influence society.

Note that both SAO and Accel World are ongoing in light novel format, though the anime seasons do have decent ending points.

Fairy Tail (175 eps) - For those that want something much longer to watch and keep themselves busy. The anime has taken a break to allow the author to write more manga material, as the anime closely follows the manga(giving you time to catch up on the anime). It does have some filler, but not much, and it's actually fairly decent filler. Suggest reading the manga as well. It's a magical fantasy shonen story, with various wizards fighting each other, although more in a punch/kick way. Good comedy, action, adventure, stories, and characters (other than the main, who is more stereotypical shonen). I like it mostly because it has males and females fighting fairly equally, both good and bad. In fact, one of the stronger good guys is a woman who strikes fear into the heart of the main hero. As opposed to normal shonen shows where it is 90% males fighting, or magical girl shows like Nanoha where it is 90% women fighting.

And lastly, for Romantic comedies (although I tend not to like those so much):

Seto No Hanayome - Otherwise known as "My Bride is a Mermaid." 14 year old kid starts drowning at sea, only to be rescued by a mermaid. Him and his parents are subsequently kidnapped by the mermaid's family... a yakuza mermaid family, as it turns out. She's the daughter, and due to mermaid law, a mermaid seen by humans has to be killed (although her father wants to kill the human instead to save her girl). They get hitched instead, as if they are family, then no one needs to die. The father is... less-than-thrilled at this. It's more comedy than romance, and something that has several episodes where you will split your sides from laughter.

Kokoro Connect (17 eps) - Not quite romantic comedy, but does have romance and comedy angles, although drama and angst as well. REALLY well done, with well-developed characters that will really make you feel for them. Focuses on a group of 5 kids in high school that come together to form a club for various reasons, only to suddenly and randomly find themselves swapping bodies. The effect that this phenomenon has on them and their relationships, is what drives the series primarily, as the group is repeatedly subject to various phenomenon. The light novel series actually just ended, and the anime covers about half the light novels, so I'm REALLY hoping this gets a second season to properly finish it. One of the most underrated and lesser-known hidden gems out there, in my opinion.

And I'll throw out this last lesser-known gem: Love to Election to Chocolate (12 eps). Based on a visual novel, and with a description and cast designed to make you think it'll be a typical harem show. It's not. Focuses on a high school election, but just like real elections, there are dirty secrets and tricks under the surface (in the first episode, someone taking pictures of a secret deal gets run down by a car and put into a coma). Also, the two main characters have a traumatic past. It's more focused on the election, but the the two main characters do have a romantic subplot. And there are several good comedic bits. An overall decent series.

And I think I'll stop there for now. I don't really want to turn this thread into an anime/manga suggestion thread. I do have tons of other stuff I could suggest, and stuff I am following to keep busy. So if you find yourself wanting to watch something, and you think I have good taste based on the above, send me a PM, or request my AIM handle in a PM and we can talk more about your tastes, so I can suggest something you might like.

Lastly, I'll give this link to my anime planet profile, where you can see everything I've watched and what I've rated it: http://www.anime-planet.com/users/Kaijo/anime

According to that, I've watched 5 solid months of anime, if you were to add up all the time I've spent watching, heh. They give you a sig like you see in mine below, that give your anime stats. Some might be familiar with myanimelist, and this is similar. Myanimelist has more detail about series and info you can enter, but I tend to like anime-planet's user interface; it's quick and easy to enter series and keep track of what people are watching. I regularly check my friend feed to see what people are up to, and see what they recommend.
 

Azure

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#62
For a good mecha I would recommend Majestic Prince.Its about a team of five failures who are chosen to pilot prototype to fight against aliens that are beating humanity. The plot is nothing new, but it has good fighting scenes and I love seeing the main team grow into competent badasses. The main problem is that it suffers from the Hirai Sameface Syndrome, just like SEED, but Sunrise manages to make it at least look good.

Valvrave is good, but it reminds me of Code Geass R2, in the randomness and all the TWISTS at the end of each ep and its not that serious of a show. Still it the most fun show of the season, and the one I wait every week to see. Plus the protagonist is becoming very likable in the resent eps.

Kaijo said:
And I'll throw out this last lesser-known gem: Love to Election to Chocolate (12 eps). Based on a visual novel, and with a description and cast designed to make you think it'll be a typical harem show. It's not. Focuses on a high school election, but just like real elections, there are dirty secrets and tricks under the surface (in the first episode, someone taking pictures of a secret deal gets run down by a car and put into a coma). Also, the two main characters have a traumatic past. It's more focused on the election, but the the two main characters do have a romantic subplot. And there are several good comedic bits. An overall decent series.
I have to contest this, Koichoco was good in the first half, but after the Satsuki/Sensei arc it dropped the ball. The ending felt rushed, and the relationship felt rushed. I felt that the anime should have dropped the Kana plot to give the MC more time to work Chisato's issues and not just have Mi-chan just go and do his job in helping Chisato. Still I liked it, but I hoped for Satsuki or Sensei to win.

On my own, I would recommend Mondaiji-tachi ga Isekai kara Kuru Sou Desu yo?, which is about three kids with powers who leave Earth to go to a parallel world to play in contests against demon lords in a mix of different challenges, fights and games. Its a fun series, plus Black Rabbit is love.
 

lhklan

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#63
A warning to anybody watching/planning to watch Suisei no Gargantia: It's made by Gen "The Butcher" Urobuchi.

Mondaiji is a good series, definitely worth the watch. Yahari is fine, but comparing the anime and the summary for the LNs is not advised due to the former cutting out a lot of scenes in the latter.

SAO... I hate this series with a passion, so I won't recommend it.

As for recommendation: Mashiroiro Symphony is a good one for slice of life, SRW OG2 Inspector is ... passable - good on its own, but compared to the game it was from... It does have it good point, like putting Kyosuke in a Gespent MK II TYPE S.
 

Hoki

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#64
Eh, so I was rereading Force and there's one thing that bugged me while reading the first chapters. Apparently Touma was travelling around god knows where to find clues on the people who destroyed his hometown. Assuming he didn't find Lily and his divider, wasn't he basically endangering himself by hunting down dangerous people? Given that his magical capabilities are fairly normal and he had no combat training, I think it's kind of foolish to hunt down criminals on his own.
 

Epsilon

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#65
A mild version of Revenge Before Reason in Touma's case.
 

Hoki

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#66
And another thing and this is about the Reactor Plugs, what exactly are they? Cypha stated that they'll eventually be one with their masters, and Lily is considered a "broken" plug (and that other strosek that Veyron and Arnage rescued probably is too). Lily's functions later in the story simply likens her to a Unison device, but she's clearly not, since she doesn't really enhance Touma's powers, but rather controls it. So are reactor plugs some kind of organic control device for the Dividers that eventually merges itself to its master?
 

Azure

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#67
Hoki said:
Eh, so I was rereading Force and there's one thing that bugged me while reading the first chapters. Apparently Touma was travelling around god knows where to find clues on the people who destroyed his hometown. Assuming he didn't find Lily and his divider, wasn't he basically endangering himself by hunting down dangerous people? Given that his magical capabilities are fairly normal and he had no combat training, I think it's kind of foolish to hunt down criminals on his own.
The thing is, that the Touma did not expect to find anything, or at least I think so. The trip was basically his own way to leave his past behind, and make at least the attempt of his revenge but with no expectations of success. He probably knew he wouldn't find anything, as TSAB had not, but to him it probably was the only way he could bury the incident and move on with his life along Su-chan. Except that he found Lily, and so the ball got rolling.

And another thing and this is about the Reactor Plugs, what exactly are they? Cypha stated that they'll eventually be one with their masters, and Lily is considered a "broken" plug (and that other strosek that Veyron and Arnage rescued probably is too). Lily's functions later in the story simply likens her to a Unison device, but she's clearly not, since she doesn't really enhance Touma's powers, but rather controls it. So are reactor plugs some kind of organic control device for the Dividers that eventually merges itself to its master?
Reactors are organic, like the Lily's series, and non-organic, like the Koening knife Cypha uses. Their main purpose from Cypha's lecture is to join with the Driver in a reaction, like you said, and help control the infection so they can access thier Reacted Weapons, like Touma's Dark Knight Armor. Also the Reactor Plugs are what activates the Magic-Delink ability Drivers have, that is why Curren says that with a Plug a Driver can become a true Mage Killer (the whole Poison that will kill the world and stuff).

Lily is broken as she is not controlling Touma's infection. I guess you could say that she fixed herself when she remembered her true purpose and Reacted with Touma.
 

Akiyoshi

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#68
Eclipse Driver can still "divide" spells without a Strosek-series Reactor, but certainly it seems that possesing one alonside a copy of the bible of the Silver Cross amps up said ability to a whole new level. Your average Ecipse Driver can dispells magic as Cypha did with Signum and Hayate ...but Tohma went far beyond that and disabled not only magic but pretty much ANYTHING else on the vicinity with his AoE-version of his "Divide Zero Eclipse" ....magic, electricity, eclipse energy... you name it, Cypha was quite surprised it even managed to cancell all other reactors and Fortis nearly pissed his pants in fear when Tohma menaced with firing the thing again.

Of course that also seems to have something to do with Tohma being this called "Zero Driver" everyone is after.
 

Azure

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#69
Akiyoshi said:
Eclipse Driver can still "divide" spells without a Strosek-series Reactor, but certainly it seems that possesing one alonside a copy of the bible of the Silver Cross amps up said ability to a whole new level. Your average Ecipse Driver can dispells magic as Cypha did with Signum and Hayate ...but Tohma went far beyond that and disabled not only magic but pretty much ANYTHING else on the vicinity with his AoE-version of his "Divide Zero Eclipse" ....magic, electricity, eclipse energy... you name it, Cypha was quite surprised it even managed to cancell all other reactors and Fortis nearly pissed his pants in fear when Tohma menaced with firing the thing again.

Of course that also seems to have something to do with Tohma being this called "Zero Driver" everyone is after.
Sorry if I am wrong, but from what I remembered, Cypha was not really Dividing that much against Signum until she got Koning out and Reacted. That lead me to believe that the Divide Effect is not strong enough unless one uses a Reactor Plug. That is why, I guess, the Hucks called Veryon incomplete, as he lacked a Reactor Plug to do a proper Divide.

Also Touma is in another Tier compared with everyone else, remember that he is probably the strongest Driver after Curren in Force. Also, I wish they would use more of the AOE version of Divide Zero, it is really an useful spell. Hell, you know what, I wish Touma would get more battle scenes, he sure is doing nothing lately.
 

Akiyoshi

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#70
Tohma may be the strongest Eclipse Driver in the series power-wise but he lacks the experience and skill to make proper use of said power as demonstrated when he got stompped by resident goofball Carter Grendel while Curren so far ahs demonstrated to be able to take on all Section Six's strongest fighters ...at the same time. Tohma needs a lot to learn if he wants to fight Curren or Hardis.

Also, a bit nitpicky here but ...i won't call Divide Zero preciselly a "spell", it was confirmed several times Eclipse is not magic.
 

Hoki

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#71
Azure said:
Reactors are organic, like the Lily's series, and non-organic, like the Koening knife Cypha uses.
That knife was a reactor plug? Didn't notice that.


Azure said:
Sorry if I am wrong, but from what I remembered, Cypha was not really Dividing that much against Signum until she got Koning out and Reacted. That lead me to believe that the Divide Effect is not strong enough unless one uses a Reactor Plug. That is why, I guess, the Hucks called Veryon incomplete, as he lacked a Reactor Plug to do a proper Divide.
I noticed that she's not even dividing during her first battle with Signum, as she got burned and had her arm chopped off before she reacted. I figured that without a reactor, a driver is somehow still affected by magic spells, although their regeneration compensates for any damage they might acquire. Only fully divided Eclipse Drivers are immune to magic.

I guess Veyron likes the fact that even not being a complete Driver, he can still kick ass.

Also, I wish they would use more of the AOE version of Divide Zero, it is really an useful spell. Hell, you know what, I wish Touma would get more battle scenes, he sure is doing nothing lately.
He'll also probably kill EVERYONE within range of his Divide Zero. Remember that he knocked out not only the Hucks but also the members of Section Six who were in the Esquad (kinda wondering how it didn't crash though, I guess Stella recovered first), and Fortis was deathly afraid that he might use it again. Using such a dangerous technique frequently might be disastrous.
 

Azure

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#72
Also, a bit nitpicky here but ...i won't call Divide Zero preciselly a "spell", it was confirmed several times Eclipse is not magic.
Now, do not be so nitpicky about this, Eclipse functions so similarly to magic that one can probably call its skill spells, even if they have physical attacks.

He'll also probably kill EVERYONE within range of his Divide Zero. Remember that he knocked out not only the Hucks but also the members of Section Six who were in the Esquad (kinda wondering how it didn't crash though, I guess Stella recovered first), and Fortis was deathly afraid that he might use it again. Using such a dangerous technique frequently might be disastrous.
To me Touma is kinda like one of those super broken Super Robots you get in SRW like the upgraded SRX or Zeryomer. You basically can throw him alone to group and leave him to take everyone down without mercy. To use the AOE divide Zero, Touma would just have to rush to a group and spam that attack, like how a Robot abuses a Post Movement Map Weapon in SRWs, kinda like Cybuster.

Also thinking about the first fight RF6 had with the Hucks, I have to say that they would have won that it had Touma not gone all Terminator mode on everyone with his Divide Zero. I mean without Touma Berserk, Nanoha Fortress could have stood to guard Hayate and even stop Curren from ganking Hayate, allowing Hayate to sink the Huck ship. Fate could have handled the teleporter axeman, Subaru could have handled Cypha, and Isis could have just continue to stop Arnage's barrage with her anit-missile perfumes.
 

Akiyoshi

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#73
Considering Quinn Garland, an Eclipse Driver leagues below Curren Huckebein is strong enough to slice Fortress Shields like butter, the fact Curren herself managed to destroy two strike cannons with ease (not to mention curbstomping Vita and Erio without even trying) and the fact Deville could quickly force an opponent switching with Cypha i couldn't see how they'll be able to win that particular fight, Section Six was too weak at that moment (their upgrades were also in a pretty frail state, the AEC-units weren't able to survive a single battle in one piece up to that point). Heck, Curren even took on almost the entire main cast alone and won in a recent Chapter (the only ones missing were Nanoha, Hayate, Signum and Vita ...and among those four only Nanoha could barely represent a credble threat xDU).

...also Veyron alone was enough to trash Subaru around and he wasn't even reacted ...taking in consideration how Cypha destroyed Signum's Gladiator Shield with the sheer strenght of her fingers alone i can see Subaru succeeding in destroying one or both of Cypha's swords but getting quickly KO'ed shortly afterwards by Cypha's bare fists ...that woman just took a death slash to her neck without breaking a sweat (while Isis was knocked out by one for several minutes) ...she's just tough like that.

Fights start to look a bit more even since Signum's rematch with Cypha but before that point everything was against our heroes. Fate impressed the crowd by virtue of being the first character in the franchise who managed to lay a finger on Curren Huckeben, even if she got trashed shortly afterwards, being the first to get a scream of pain out of the invincible leader of the Huckebein family is worthy of praise.
 

keroko

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#74
Thoma wasn't exactly questing for revenge. It was more a sort of... pilgrimage to leave the past behind before he joined the Nakajima's.
 

Hoki

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#75
Considering Quinn Garland, an Eclipse Driver leagues below Curren Huckebein is strong enough to slice Fortress Shields like butter, the fact Curren herself managed to destroy two strike cannons with ease (not to mention curbstomping Vita and Erio without even trying) and the fact Deville could quickly force an opponent switching with Cypha i couldn't see how they'll be able to win that particular fight, Section Six was too weak at that moment (their upgrades were also in a pretty frail state, the AEC-units weren't able to survive a single battle in one piece up to that point). Heck, Curren even took on almost the entire main cast alone and won in a recent Chapter (the only ones missing were Nanoha, Hayate, Signum and Vita ...and among those four only Nanoha could barely represent a credble threat xDU).
I'd chalk that up to the fact that Eclipse Drivers in general are tough nuts to crack, and compared to Devices that have built in defenses in the form of their barriers, AEC weapons are simply giant guns/hammers. Anybody with a decent sword and swordsmanship skills can probably cut those things. Hell, they look very difficult to wield, and are very heavy (which makes Nanoha carrying one of those with one hand while equipped with the Fortress all the more badass).

The development of the AEC weapons is basically a trial-and-error process siince its the first time the TSAB had to resort to something that can cause damage similar to a mass based weapon without using actual said mass based weapons to deal with those kinds of enemies.

And hey, if you can move as fast as the guy who can teleport in combat, you're bound to land a hit on slower enemies before they blink. Deville probably is the fastest Huck we've seen, and he mistook Fate also using teleportation too.
 
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