Nanoha Force

I guess Hades doesn't know they have that guy who can read minds. But that's fair, since Tsuzuki probably forgot about him or just isn't going to bring up the idea.

It's funny, as soon as I start liking Curren they introduce a new villain who is far more irritating. I hope she blows him up at some point.
 
They have a guy who reads minds through magic. Hades is infected with the Eclipse, so he can negate that easily enough.
 

Hoki

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Oh right, Verossa... I forgot about him. I thought everyone was referring to Sonica.
 
Rising Dragon said:
They have a guy who reads minds through magic. Hades is infected with the Eclipse, so he can negate that easily enough.
Yeah, but would that not be a sign he has the Eclipse virus in him? It would at least be grounds for x-raying him or whatever if he's just randomly immune to a spell.

Although I guess it seems like he's able to control what his virus negates, but then surely he'd need a considerable amount of mental control to keep Verossa from finding out anything. Giving him the ability to do that's kind of an elephant in the room with a plot like this if they don't bring it up at all, but that's hindsight for you I suppose.
 
Given what Hades' has displayed so far, isn't RF6 reasonably suspicious about his own infection?
 
I'd hope so considering the state of his prison cell when they got in. If not Verossa I'd like it if they at least brought up the idea of getting a sample of his blood, even if it didn't work or they gave a reasonable explanation why they can't.
 

Akiyoshi

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Considering last FORCE chapters had Section Six trying to go all CSI on the Vandein Corporation this sounds both plausible and interesting.
 

Hoki

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Also remember that he emanated such a strong killing intent that Teana saw herself getting hacked, making everyone want to blast his ass right on the site where they arrested him. I'm pretty sure Hades did that on purpose, either to threaten our heroines, to provoke them into attacking so he'd have grounds for assault or something, or just to mess with their heads. Either way, the act simply made Section Six more suspicious of him.
 

Gx Hero

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Pretty much wanted to use their reflexes against them to worm out of trouble. Seriously hate the guy, scagliati was more likeable this guy is pure evil corporate scum.

THey were suspicious of him when they accused him of using the eclipse on his workers, add the finding of gunblades and silver cross tomes adds to the suspicion.

His eclipse Virus is complete or at least on a different level which is why they haven't labeled him infected since they are using obvious signs. If they tested him they could at least quarantine him.

What is truly sick is that he wants to mass market the eclipse to the military and using eclipse infected as justification. Power to fight power when it is unnecessary.


THe hucklebein probably worked with him also seeing as they have specialized eclipse and the ship is something they obviously couldn't make, but something says they didn' which leaves more questions such as why produce only gun blades and not two other types one for short and one for long range specialties as well as gun blade.

Also we all know that his mercenaries destroyed Thoma's village wanna bet thoma is going to go berserk over it and try to kill hadies.
 

Amaranth

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Akiyoshi said:
It will be pretty much like the Cell saga. Bad guys who have a decisive edge over the heroes appear and are the main threat for a while and when it seems the heroes finally catches up it's revealed there's a far worse thread hidden this whole time that puts both heroes and first baddies in big trouble.

Hades classyness paired with Jail's infinite source of ham have the potential of being pretty entertaining or really lame. I like leagions of doom arcs so I find the idea appealing. Hades needs a more colorful ally with urgency.
This feels more like Bleach's Soul Society arc. With the bad guys (the Hucks) actually being as good as the good guys, and then it turns out the supposedly "model citizen" is actually the true big bad and the former and the latter join forces...

They don't need to join forces though...

Hoki said:
Oh right, Verossa... I forgot about him. I thought everyone was referring to Sonica.
TBH so did I :lol:

Gx Hero said:
Pretty much wanted to use their reflexes against them to worm out of trouble. Seriously hate the guy, scagliati was more likeable this guy is pure evil corporate scum.

THey were suspicious of him when they accused him of using the eclipse on his workers, add the finding of gunblades and silver cross tomes adds to the suspicion.

His eclipse Virus is complete or at least on a different level which is why they haven't labeled him infected since they are using obvious signs. If they tested him they could at least quarantine him.

What is truly sick is that he wants to mass market the eclipse to the military and using eclipse infected as justification. Power to fight power when it is unnecessary.


THe hucklebein probably worked with him also seeing as they have specialized eclipse and the ship is something they obviously couldn't make, but something says they didn' which leaves more questions such as why produce only gun blades and not two other types one for short and one for long range specialties as well as gun blade.

Also we all know that his mercenaries destroyed Thoma's village wanna bet thoma is going to go berserk over it and try to kill hadies.
I don't think they were Hades mercenaries... But I find the idea of more than just a group of eclipsees being out there, pillaging villages in unadministered worlds and they all wanting the same as the Hucks and the Hucks hosting an eclipsee meeting so that they'd all join forces to take on Hades and the TSAB together... For some reason, when I first saw the Hucks, they didn't remind me of any kind of bad guys. Instead, I was, strangely enough, reminded of the Cullen family from Twilight. They are supposedly "evil" but aren't at the same time... The way the TSAB acts sort of reminds me of La Push's werewolves/shapeshifters, being too paranoid and singling them out as the evil guys when they aren't.

So naturally, the idea of the Hucks leading a Black Knights style Eclipsee army of allies under them appeals to me... Doubly so if those who destroyed Thoma's home are sympathetic, but not to the heroes, and are there with them to shock Thoma...

And even more so if their meeting is in an unadministered world that hasn't had much attention for some time... Earth.

Alternatively, what if Hades' daughter is an eclipse infectee and she's the female that ravaged Thoma's village?

There's also word she looks like Tifa, which I hope is true if it does get shown... So we'd have Eclipse drivers with a common theme (like Gundam and the main characters) and get FF influenced eclipsees...

Oh, and Nanoha will rue the day she came across the Noctis clone if there's one...
 

Akiyoshi

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With the bad guys (the Hucks) actually being as good as the good guys
I'm still waiting to hear Veyron and Cypha's explanation for the dead nuns/slaughter of the entire population of a pacific town
 

Gx Hero

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That is simple he was waiting for Thoma to get the eclipse driver, that is all. He probably killed the nuns because he felt like it instead of waiting around.
 

Amaranth

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Akiyoshi said:
With the bad guys (the Hucks) actually being as good as the good guys
I'm still waiting to hear Veyron and Cypha's explanation for the dead nuns/slaughter of the entire population of a pacific town
Like Kyoraku ripping Chad apart when he didn't need to?

Also, I couldn't help but picture the nuns using machine guns for some reason... That said, if he needed to be there to get to Thoma and he's being chased by the authorities, it makes sense to kill the witnesses who'll tell magical space EU that space Snowden is in their church to keep himself from being tracked.
 

Akiyoshi

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What I'm trying to say is that while it's true the Hucks are definitely not as bad as they initially seemed to be, there's still a long path for them to be "as good as the good guys". They fill as Anti-Villains at best for now, they're still quite antagonistic and violent, the only difference is that they probably have a new prime target. Tohma and Isis are closer to be Anti-Heroes for now.
 

Amaranth

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Akiyoshi said:
What I'm trying to say is that while it's true the Hucks are definitely not as bad as they initially seemed to be, there's still a long path for them to be "as good as the good guys". They fill as Anti-Villains at best for now, they're still quite antagonistic and violent, the only difference is that they probably have a new prime target. Tohma and Isis are closer to be Anti-Heroes for now.
I can agree with that. I just know that the TSAB always being the good guys is getting old... And when I say TSAB, I'm including three aces and company in there.

It'd be good for Nanoha to start questioning if she's really right for once. Bonus points if it happens after getting herself in a skirmish and losing...
 

Hoki

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The problem with that is the TSAB after StrikerS has firmly established themselves as good guys.

Like Kaijo once said, it would've been way better if Touma didn't side with the TSAB and just kept running, since it would put conflict with him and our heroines, who his mind, have framed him for the murder of the nuns in the church. It would also make the conflict somewhat of a three-way roulette, with the Huckebein and the TSAB racing on who would get to Touma first, with Touma's still uncontrolled powers getting him into more trouble with the TSAB. While the three groups are playing hide-and-seek, Hades sits in his posh couch, watching the events unfold, stirring up conflict here-and-there as he enjoys watching everyone dance to his tune..

It will be somewhat confusing at first, but it will be interesting.

Also, if Hades' daughter turns out to be an expy of Tifa, I'm siding with the villain.
 

Amaranth

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Hoki said:
The problem with that is the TSAB after StrikerS has firmly established themselves as good guys.

Like Kaijo once said, it would've been way better if Touma didn't side with the TSAB and just kept running, since it would put conflict with him and our heroines, who his mind, have framed him for the murder of the nuns in the church. It would also make the conflict somewhat of a three-way roulette, with the Huckebein and the TSAB racing on who would get to Touma first, with Touma's still uncontrolled powers getting him into more trouble with the TSAB. While the three groups are playing hide-and-seek, Hades sits in his posh couch, watching the events unfold, stirring up conflict here-and-there as he enjoys watching everyone dance to his tune..

It will be somewhat confusing at first, but it will be interesting.

Also, if Hades' daughter turns out to be an expy of Tifa, I'm siding with the villain.
I would've preferred him siding with the TSAB at first and then jumping ship when they attempt to get too close to him too fast and becoming a Huck for a while...

It's just boring when you know who the good and bad guys are.

Also, for Force, I'm technically siding with the villains already. I've been a Huckebein fan ever since Cypha owned Signum and it deepened when Curren soloed SDS6 during Heimdall. I just hope Veyron gets a chance to go Renzokuken on someone that isn't Thoma.
 

Hoki

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Oh Force, when will you step out of your hiatus.
 

Akiyoshi

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It'd be good for Nanoha to start questioning if she's really right for once. Bonus points if it happens after getting herself in a skirmish and losing...
I won't put my bet on that. I was waiting to see the obligued character development Signum was going to have after her massive jobbing and the result was... nothing. Signum didn't learned, questioned nor reflected anything from her fateful clash with Cypha... except how to properly kick EC-butt of course. If someone as stubborn and serious as her didn't experienced a change I doubt someone as confident, modest and determined as Nanoha will doubt herself just because defeat, she has gotten her butt handed to her a couple times in the past and that only fires her spirit more.

For that to happen it will take something desicively bad happening as a direct consequence of her desicions. In fact, it will be more shocking if one of her victories leads to a disaster. That would truly be worthy of her questioning her actions.
 

Akiyoshi

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Heh it's already long since I've heard someone defending FORCE's pacing.
 

Gx Hero

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Thoma needs a better role than what he has gotten. RIght now it seems the series is split in two THoma and Riot force SIx investigation. Thoma should be a little more involved more into his training. THings like him going back to his home town.


FOr now I think that the Huciklebein are going to play a bigger role in this since Veryon's some of the others pasts seem messed up due to the virus. r ot


On another note Force is at good reason to not produce any further works past FOrce Vivid and innocent and the third movie. Other wise the series is going to get messed up.


Now if FOrce was a start over like maybe the only two he meets is Hayate, and maybe one or two other charecters and build the story from there. Just too much with the returning charecters.
 
Veyron and Curren are basically how Fate was a bit deeper of a character than Nanoha in the first season, but like ten times worse. I want to see them do more stuff, not have it move onto Touma.
 

Hoki

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Well they are trying to get some characters to die. Although they copped out with signum
 

Akiyoshi

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I remember Tsuzuki saying in an interview that there will be casualties on both sides by the end of the story.

Wonder if he still plan on going through with that.
 
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