Nanoha Force
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Tohma didn't "won" technically but still brought freaking everyone to their knees with a single shot, gave an upgraded Nanoha a run for her money and made Fortis piss his pants. It also took four badass mages (two of them among the best there is) AND Lily's help to finally contain him.
Terminator Tohma didn't won but he was surely boss level during that part of the manga.
Terminator Tohma didn't won but he was surely boss level during that part of the manga.
Well, we don't really know if he could best the whole of the Huckebein family in battle. But it's possible. Nanoha is an incredibly skilled and dangerous fighter, but he still systematically destroyed her defenses with the help of the Bible of the Silver Cross, and eventually shut down literally the entire battlefield, Huckebein and Section Six both, in one move with Divide Zero: Eclipse. So if he were to fire off one of those before attacking with one of his other nasty attacks, then yes, he probably could take on the whole Huckebein family in battle.
Without letting the Bible operate in its full capacity is a different story, though.
Without letting the Bible operate in its full capacity is a different story, though.
Akiyoshi said:
Already happened, didn't you saw Tohma trashing her famed Fortress piece by piece leaving her defenseless? If not for Subaru and Fate bailing her out things could have turned pretty ugly for the Ace of Aces.
Now, If you say you want to see Nanoha get her second defeat by curb-stomp then I'll believe you.
Now, If you say you want to see Nanoha get her second defeat by curb-stomp then I'll believe you.
It ends with Nanoha unable to fight anymore and being fully at the mercy of her enemy. No bailouts or anything, just her and the enemy choosing not to hurt her...
Rising Dragon said:
Well, we don't really know if he could best the whole of the Huckebein family in battle. But it's possible. Nanoha is an incredibly skilled and dangerous fighter, but he still systematically destroyed her defenses with the help of the Bible of the Silver Cross, and eventually shut down literally the entire battlefield, Huckebein and Section Six both, in one move with Divide Zero: Eclipse. So if he were to fire off one of those before attacking with one of his other nasty attacks, then yes, he probably could take on the whole Huckebein family in battle.
Without letting the Bible operate in its full capacity is a different story, though.
Without letting the Bible operate in its full capacity is a different story, though.
Amaranth said:
Akiyoshi said:
Already happened, didn't you saw Tohma trashing her famed Fortress piece by piece leaving her defenseless? If not for Subaru and Fate bailing her out things could have turned pretty ugly for the Ace of Aces.
Now, If you say you want to see Nanoha get her second defeat by curb-stomp then I'll believe you.
Now, If you say you want to see Nanoha get her second defeat by curb-stomp then I'll believe you.
It ends with Nanoha unable to fight anymore and being fully at the mercy of her enemy. No bailouts or anything, just her and the enemy choosing not to hurt her...
By StrikerS and Force, Nanoha has become so good at what she does one needs to have god mode like Touma had in order to have a chance. Hades can possibly give her a hard time, since he's possibly the final villain.
Basically, Amaranth wants to see Nanoha beaten to a bloody pulp, like y'know? what happened to Signum.
Pretty much. But I say is unlikely because, well... it already happened to Signum. There's rarely more than one job per season and Sigmum being roughly Nanoha's equal in a fight already filled the bill of "strong guy beaten to a pulp to stablish a threat posed by the new bad guys". But don't lose hope. Assuming they want to push Tohma's status as the new MC he could still has to saved the day after Nanoha gets trounced. Maybe.
Hoki said:
Amaranth said:
Akiyoshi said:
Already happened, didn't you saw Tohma trashing her famed Fortress piece by piece leaving her defenseless? If not for Subaru and Fate bailing her out things could have turned pretty ugly for the Ace of Aces.
Now, If you say you want to see Nanoha get her second defeat by curb-stomp then I'll believe you.
Now, If you say you want to see Nanoha get her second defeat by curb-stomp then I'll believe you.
It ends with Nanoha unable to fight anymore and being fully at the mercy of her enemy. No bailouts or anything, just her and the enemy choosing not to hurt her...
By StrikerS and Force, Nanoha has become so good at what she does one needs to have god mode like Touma had in order to have a chance. Hades can possibly give her a hard time, since he's possibly the final villain.
Basically, Amaranth wants to see Nanoha beaten to a bloody pulp, like y'know? what happened to Signum.
She should be unable to beat someone who's as strong as she is and has slightly more experience. There should be a couple around. I'm telling you I feel Squall's designated target will be Nanoha much like Cypha had Signum.
Akiyoshi said:
Pretty much. But I say is unlikely because, well... it already happened to Signum. There's rarely more than one job per season and Sigmum being roughly Nanoha's equal in a fight already filled the bill of "strong guy beaten to a pulp to stablish a threat posed by the new bad guys". But don't lose hope. Assuming they want to push Tohma's status as the new MC he could still has to saved the day after Nanoha gets trounced. Maybe.
If she has a perfect winning record, it makes her boring. She needs to get trounced and change her fighting style further. What I'd want is for her usual Senbonzakura beams to not do shit because they're, you know, Senbonzakura beams. That way we may see a Nanoha that goes melee more often, starts using bind and precision shots or uses explosive, non beam attacks.
And don't forget Signum barely sorted out her dance with Thanos's girlfriend thanks to her still somewhat high durability, she returned to the battlefield in two and a half months (still on medical watch, though) from injuries that could have killed or at the very least crippled anyone else for life (Nanoha took years of rehab to come back from much less). I guess that's what made her an acceptable target aside of being Nanoha-level and the last Wolkenritter to job. Because she can plausibly take the punishment and come back in time to do stuff before the season ends.
As for Nanoha's technique I think you're under or overestimating her. Nanoha's signature style involves lots of beams but she's very versatile and as her fight with Signum shown she's no slouch on melee either. Interestingly, her Fortress and Strike Cannon units, while still focusing primarily on ranged attacks it also enables a couple specific melee options for Nanoha to use (Shield-1's sword, Strike Cannon's close mode, Shield-2's beam sword, Melee adapted Raising Heart). She's not a dedicated melee fighter like Signum or inclined towards that like Fate. Even if she gets trounced there's no use trying to do a 180 on who she is and how she fights because she's really good at it. That just means she has to learn and polish her technique more. Nanoha is like the most determined person in the cast. Something that failed to break Signum's spirit won't be able to even dent Nanoha's confidence. Not at this point unless the consequences of her failure are truly meaningful for her on a personal level.
As for Nanoha's technique I think you're under or overestimating her. Nanoha's signature style involves lots of beams but she's very versatile and as her fight with Signum shown she's no slouch on melee either. Interestingly, her Fortress and Strike Cannon units, while still focusing primarily on ranged attacks it also enables a couple specific melee options for Nanoha to use (Shield-1's sword, Strike Cannon's close mode, Shield-2's beam sword, Melee adapted Raising Heart). She's not a dedicated melee fighter like Signum or inclined towards that like Fate. Even if she gets trounced there's no use trying to do a 180 on who she is and how she fights because she's really good at it. That just means she has to learn and polish her technique more. Nanoha is like the most determined person in the cast. Something that failed to break Signum's spirit won't be able to even dent Nanoha's confidence. Not at this point unless the consequences of her failure are truly meaningful for her on a personal level.
The problem is that Nanoha's (and other mages) awesome techniques ARE not work on Elcipse-powered people. Nanoha can charge her Starlaight Breaker at point-blank range into Arnage's face and sole damage redhead would sustain would be a pain in eyes due to brighteness of the beame; same here about Axel Shooter and even her binds.
Eclipse are so dangerous it's because it basically said "now take all you powerful magic, years of training and shove it where sun doesn't shine". And thus it take ALL of versability our heroes boasts with it. Kinetic weapon are simple and reliable - no questions - but it's perfomance fit the LARGE units much better than special forces.
Eclipse are so dangerous it's because it basically said "now take all you powerful magic, years of training and shove it where sun doesn't shine". And thus it take ALL of versability our heroes boasts with it. Kinetic weapon are simple and reliable - no questions - but it's perfomance fit the LARGE units much better than special forces.
She should be unable to beat someone who's as strong as she is and has slightly more experience. There should be a couple around. I'm telling you I feel Squall's designated target will be Nanoha much like Cypha had Signum.
>Touma dreams about him after they met, Veyron makes a point of saying he thinks little of him
>gets a unison girl exactly like Touma's
Yeah, he's gonna be fighting Nanoha. The character he hasn't fought, interacted or even mentioned once. Like, what?
And if Cypha is anyone's girlfriend it's Sundowner from Rising. Google 'Sundowner smile' and you'll see why.
Amaranth said:
She should be unable to beat someone who's as strong as she is and has slightly more experience. There should be a couple around. I'm telling you I feel Squall's designated target will be Nanoha much like Cypha had Signum.
She doesn't get trounced for drama. She gets trounced because she's just a mage.
If she has a perfect winning record, it makes her boring. She needs to get trounced and change her fighting style further. What I'd want is for her usual Senbonzakura beams to not do shit because they're, you know, Senbonzakura beams. That way we may see a Nanoha that goes melee more often, starts using bind and precision shots or uses explosive, non beam attacks.
If she has a perfect winning record, it makes her boring. She needs to get trounced and change her fighting style further. What I'd want is for her usual Senbonzakura beams to not do shit because they're, you know, Senbonzakura beams. That way we may see a Nanoha that goes melee more often, starts using bind and precision shots or uses explosive, non beam attacks.
Nanoha has refined he technique to the the point that theoretically, she doesn't need anything else. For the record, she has bind spells, and uses them to trap her opponents so she could blast them, it's just that y'know Touma has anti-magic.
And if Cypha is anyone's girlfriend it's Sundowner from Rising. Google 'Sundowner smile' and you'll see why.
It's true the Old cast suffered a crippling blow in versatility and destructive power due to the Eclipse but Nanoha is still very capable in combat. Terminator Tohma did destroyed her equipment but aside of that Nanoha put a very decent fight against him. And now that the AEC-equipment is more refined and finally useful is safe to asume the only real opponents for Nanoha left are endgamers like Hades and Curren. Veyron could probably have a shot as well now that he's about to get a much needed upgrade but circumstances make it unlikely as mentioned above.
Wonder what will happen with Kurt and his girls. Will they pull a big damn heroes for Tohma's group? Hades will find another utility for them? Will they become spanners in the works and ruin someone's plan?
This being Nanoha and them new characters it's almost safe to assume they'll get one last awesome moment before or during the finale.
vic-vic said:
Assuming that Eclipse-virus didn't have other nasty surprises. Don't forget - viruses can mutate and thus becaming immune to the medicine that worked earlier.
Tennie said:
vic-vic said:
Assuming that Eclipse-virus didn't have other nasty surprises. Don't forget - viruses can mutate and thus becaming immune to the medicine that worked earlier.
While the likely hood of that is slim it would be interesting.
THe thing about the eclipse is that their is a rough cure for it as shown when Lily puts the antigens in in Thoma to stop the virus. Problem is she spreads it so Lilly who is a Unison/driver aka not human a different cure is needed. Plus holding them down long enough to administer it. My guess is that it is still being looked over since THoma represents a leap in their understanding of the Virus. Problem is Hades has been perfecting it for himself and leaving the flaws for his minions to experience so they can't oppose him.
THe thing about the eclipse is that their is a rough cure for it as shown when Lily puts the antigens in in Thoma to stop the virus. Problem is she spreads it so Lilly who is a Unison/driver aka not human a different cure is needed. Plus holding them down long enough to administer it. My guess is that it is still being looked over since THoma represents a leap in their understanding of the Virus. Problem is Hades has been perfecting it for himself and leaving the flaws for his minions to experience so they can't oppose him.
Seeing a lot of people talk about FORCE'S Nanoha,I want to lay some of my opinions about her...
1:Just because she is strong(maybe the strongest among the "good guys/woman"),doesn't meant she can't lose to Touma
2:Some people said Nanoha is also good in melee battle while some not...What I notices about Nanoha is a lot of her battle(maybe all of them) in the series
involve in air battle.So what would happen if Nanoha unable to fly(because her opponents drag her to the ground/AOE magic that prevent flying)and force to
fight on ground?
Hey,just because it mahou shoujo/onna(get what I mean?)or you can fly doesn't mean you always have to fight in air battles...
1:Just because she is strong(maybe the strongest among the "good guys/woman"),doesn't meant she can't lose to Touma
2:Some people said Nanoha is also good in melee battle while some not...What I notices about Nanoha is a lot of her battle(maybe all of them) in the series
involve in air battle.So what would happen if Nanoha unable to fly(because her opponents drag her to the ground/AOE magic that prevent flying)and force to
fight on ground?
Hey,just because it mahou shoujo/onna(get what I mean?)or you can fly doesn't mean you always have to fight in air battles...
Being unable to fly won't totally incapacitate Nanoha in a fight but will indeed diminish her versatility greatly. She's the best at what she does and what she does is being an aerial mage. Having years of military training and experience against several different kinds of foes mean she has some options for ground combat (she fought Dieci on foot). Is also worth considering that as an experienced warrior Nanoha trust her skills and respects her limits. After all she trained the forwards with the goal in mind to make them shine on different aspects so they can support each other or even herself. If there's a fight where Nanoha can't fly its natural they'll send someone like Subaru or Signum instead. If truly forced to fight on ground it will be interesting how Nanoha makes finally proper use of all the close combat options her AEC-equipment provides, it will be refreshing. Even if she never properly trained in her family's school she's still a Takamachi.
What does this even mean? We all know Nanoha isn't invincible, for starters she has already lost fights in the past, she also tends to fight opponents stronger than she is and she already technically lost to Tohma. Signum who's about as strong as her got trounced early in the season.
Just because she is strong(maybe the strongest among the "good guys/woman"),doesn't meant she can't lose to Touma