Nanoha Time Loops
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"Darklight Breaker!" Sure, Ranma and Lina had made fun of her for not thinking up a more original name for this spell, but after seeing what it had done to Shabranigdo, they both had agreed that unoriginal name or no, it was something that was awesome.
Lina wouldn't stop bugging her how to learn it after that.
Poor Quattro... And the Cradle... And a small portion of Midchilda. Nanoha felt that she really needed to get more control over this thing.
Idly, Nanoha really wondered why she made this spell, okay, so it was because she needed to kill Shabranigdo once, didn't have access to the Sea of Chaos like Lina did, and needed a Black Magic spell that could harm Shabranigdo.
...Was it HER fault that the thing was dammed near uncontrollable? It twisted the Astral Plane, bent it, then fired a shot that destroyed all matter in front of her. Lina had commented that it was like the Giga Slave, but without drawing on L-Sama.
Nanoha didn't care about that. She just wished that it didn't make parts of her body go completely numb after each use. Grimacing, this time she dropped Raising Heart, she couldn't feel her fingers anymore.
Lina wouldn't stop bugging her how to learn it after that.
Poor Quattro... And the Cradle... And a small portion of Midchilda. Nanoha felt that she really needed to get more control over this thing.
Idly, Nanoha really wondered why she made this spell, okay, so it was because she needed to kill Shabranigdo once, didn't have access to the Sea of Chaos like Lina did, and needed a Black Magic spell that could harm Shabranigdo.
...Was it HER fault that the thing was dammed near uncontrollable? It twisted the Astral Plane, bent it, then fired a shot that destroyed all matter in front of her. Lina had commented that it was like the Giga Slave, but without drawing on L-Sama.
Nanoha didn't care about that. She just wished that it didn't make parts of her body go completely numb after each use. Grimacing, this time she dropped Raising Heart, she couldn't feel her fingers anymore.
...how does that spell work? Or rather WHAT has Nanoha unintentionally started drawing on? Or is she literally cannibalizing parts of her soul/body/mind to power that spell? Without the near infinite power of the Sea of chaos to power the spell its going to be hard to get a spell that;s even a mini giga slave.
Still that's pretty awesome.
Still that's pretty awesome.
Um, L-Sama's magic isn't Dark Magic. It's L-Sama herself. Nanoha can't call on that.
If Nanoha used Slayers-style black/dark magic, it wouldn't affect Shabby, because, guess what? He's IMMUNE to all Slayers-style Black/Dark Magic if he chooses to be.
Remember what Lina said concerning the Dragon Slave (Strongest Black Magic spell)?
"It's like going 'hey you, help me kill you.' and that's why it doesn't work."
Nanoha wanted something that COULD affect Shabby even if he didn't want it to.
If Nanoha used Slayers-style black/dark magic, it wouldn't affect Shabby, because, guess what? He's IMMUNE to all Slayers-style Black/Dark Magic if he chooses to be.
Remember what Lina said concerning the Dragon Slave (Strongest Black Magic spell)?
"It's like going 'hey you, help me kill you.' and that's why it doesn't work."
Nanoha wanted something that COULD affect Shabby even if he didn't want it to.
no no no.
Shabranigodo is immune to DRAGON SLAVE because it is *HIS SPELL*.
When Lina cast dragon Slave, she basically borrows Shabranigo's magic.
*This* is Dark Magic in Slayerverse. it's asking a demon for power. L-Sama is the creator of the multiverse, and as such the msot powerful being to ask power from.
Shabranigodo is immune to DRAGON SLAVE because it is *HIS SPELL*.
When Lina cast dragon Slave, she basically borrows Shabranigo's magic.
*This* is Dark Magic in Slayerverse. it's asking a demon for power. L-Sama is the creator of the multiverse, and as such the msot powerful being to ask power from.
As for L-Sama....L-Sama is the creator of both the Mazoku (with instinct to destroy) and the Dragons (with the instinct to preserve), making L-Sama the source of both White and Dark Magic
Actually, L-Sama created the four universes out of her own body, so the Slayers world is PART of L-Sama.
Sea of Chaos, Lord of Nightmares, Golden Sea, L-Sama
pretty much all the same thing
that said, if Shabrinigdo were completely destroyed, yes the Dragon Slave would stop working...
however, if L-Sama were destroyed....then, well...the Ragna Blade and Giga-slave wouldn't work, but it wouldn't really matter because nothing else would work either
Shabby immune to Ra Tilt? Not exactly. Ra Tilt is a pure Astral attack, which is the only thing that can hurt him. The problem is that the Astral self of a human being is too small to matter against a Dark Lord. It would be like trying to stop a rampaging elephant by throwing a large caliber bullet at it instead of shooting it. Without the momentum brought from the gun, the bullet is useless. A Ra Tilt fired from a being with a stronger Astral self than a human might be capable of harming Shabby.
what bissed said. Shabrinogodo isn't immune to dark magic. He just is that powerful that a lesser spell is a waste of time.
If you were to use dark magic of an equivalent level (draw on someone as strong as shabrinogodo) then it would work.
My gripe is that nanoha doesn't seem to be drawing magic from an outside being. and that's pretty much the definition of dark magic in SlayerVerse.
If you were to use dark magic of an equivalent level (draw on someone as strong as shabrinogodo) then it would work.
My gripe is that nanoha doesn't seem to be drawing magic from an outside being. and that's pretty much the definition of dark magic in SlayerVerse.
Well, since the Starlight Breaker is powered by the ambient magic in the area it is cast, I suppose that using that spell in the vicinity of Shabby-kun would turn it into something similar to a Dragon Slave.
BTW - with that property of the Starlight Breaker in question, how powerful would it be around Hogwarts, where hundreds to thousands of spells are cast every day, 10 months out of the year, and have for over a millenia?
BTW - with that property of the Starlight Breaker in question, how powerful would it be around Hogwarts, where hundreds to thousands of spells are cast every day, 10 months out of the year, and have for over a millenia?
Most of what has been said about the relation of Shabby to Black Magic is correct: he's the Big Boss of Black Magic in the world that Slayers takes place in. Nothing of lower level than himself will work on him, and Dragu Slave (the highest level spell that calls upon the power of the Mazoku) comes from him, so it won't work against him (well, except for that thing with Luke, but...). Astral spells would work against him, except that they'd have to be fired by a being with an astral presence roughly equivalent to his own - which means from a human, it won't do the trick.
Many lower-level Black spells call on the ambient dark power created by the negative psychic emanations of humans, rather than the Mazoku themselves. Generally, these spells aren't very strong offensively - typically curses - but the precedent is there. If Nanoha's new Starlight Breaker variant draws enough of that in, along with the ambient magic power, maybe it could work.
The way that snippet phrased it leads me to believe that the new Starlight Breaker is effectively an amped-up Ra Tilt, though.
Many lower-level Black spells call on the ambient dark power created by the negative psychic emanations of humans, rather than the Mazoku themselves. Generally, these spells aren't very strong offensively - typically curses - but the precedent is there. If Nanoha's new Starlight Breaker variant draws enough of that in, along with the ambient magic power, maybe it could work.
The way that snippet phrased it leads me to believe that the new Starlight Breaker is effectively an amped-up Ra Tilt, though.
Really, guys, the only thing that works on Mazoku Lords in Slayers is the Giga Slave.
That is canon.
Gaav, Hellmaster BOTH showed that they could shrug off the Ra Tilt, and the Dragon Slave. (Granted Hellmaster in the novels got hit with two Ra Tilts and a Dragon Slave and that nearly killed him, even he admitted that.) Hell, Gaav got hit with the Ragna Blade, got cut, and GOT BACK UP!
Hellmaster even said "Don't try the Ragna Blade, I'll just teleport away. Those things hurt like a bitch." Which leads me to think that he's been hit with them in the past and survived.
The idea here is, Nanoha, after studying Slayers-style Black Magic, and black magic from other universes (they exist), came up with a Black Magic variation of her own magic, so that she could deal with the likes of Hellmaster, Gaav, Shabby in case she ran into them ever again.
It just has a VERY bad side-effect of fucking up her body when she uses it.
That is canon.
Gaav, Hellmaster BOTH showed that they could shrug off the Ra Tilt, and the Dragon Slave. (Granted Hellmaster in the novels got hit with two Ra Tilts and a Dragon Slave and that nearly killed him, even he admitted that.) Hell, Gaav got hit with the Ragna Blade, got cut, and GOT BACK UP!
Hellmaster even said "Don't try the Ragna Blade, I'll just teleport away. Those things hurt like a bitch." Which leads me to think that he's been hit with them in the past and survived.
The idea here is, Nanoha, after studying Slayers-style Black Magic, and black magic from other universes (they exist), came up with a Black Magic variation of her own magic, so that she could deal with the likes of Hellmaster, Gaav, Shabby in case she ran into them ever again.
It just has a VERY bad side-effect of fucking up her body when she uses it.
and you still don't make sense. When someone is hurt by something like hellmaster being hurt by Dragon Slave and Ragna Blade, it means it affects them. it's just not strong enough to finish them easily.
Ra-tilt must be used by a comparatively powerful being.
Giga Slave works on anyone but L-sama, given it calls on the multiverse creator.
Anyway, if Nanoha doesn't call upon dark emotion or mazoku, it's not Dark Magic in Slayer terms.
Of course, it could be another verse's dark magic.
Ra-tilt must be used by a comparatively powerful being.
Giga Slave works on anyone but L-sama, given it calls on the multiverse creator.
Anyway, if Nanoha doesn't call upon dark emotion or mazoku, it's not Dark Magic in Slayer terms.
Of course, it could be another verse's dark magic.
Even mid-level Mazoku can take a Dragon Slave and live. It's not that it doesn't hurt them, it just doesn't hurt them enough to take them down in one hit. The same applies with high-end Mazoku like Hellmaster. The reason for this? Because humans can't channel the full force of a Dark Lord (or L-sama). The very fact that the spell is cast by a human weakens it to a degree that the spell is survivable (though still painful).
The damage to herself is hard to explain, in my mind. Most of Nanoha's spells (much like 90%+ of Midchildan and Belkan magic) draw power through her body from the Linker Core to the outside. Starlight Breaker, however, is basically her using a ritual spell to gather ambient magic "particles" into one spot outside her body and shoot them with a Divine Buster.
I can't really see how the "dark" magic particles she would gather up would affect her physically when they don't pass through her body, so perhaps the "dark" aspect is something added to the Divine Buster she fires.
I can't really see how the "dark" magic particles she would gather up would affect her physically when they don't pass through her body, so perhaps the "dark" aspect is something added to the Divine Buster she fires.
