Naruto Naruto 701+ - Manga Discussion

Altered Nova

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So what the heck happened to that Shin guy? He was the big villain of this mini story arc and they were all set on capturing him to interrogate him for information but he didn't even appear in the last chapter! Did he escape, or die, or get captured? Where the hell did he get that miniature version of the Juubi? What was his connection to Akatsuki? Did he have anything to do with this new threat related to Kaguya that Sasuke was going on about? Why have none of those questions been answered?!
 
Because they have to sell either the next Gaiden, probably drawn by somebody else, or the novels.
Hell, they might well go and make the anime (post THE LAST)canon.
 

Ordo

Well-Known Member
thecuiy said:
Hold on.

The the title of the new series is Naruto Gaiden: The Seventh Hokage and the Scarlet Spring(thanks for clarifying that point about the title for me anko)

There is a focus on the letter S in the second half of the title.

Its a series about the next generation.

The next letter after S is T

Naruto GT confirmed.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
 

Knyght

The Collector
Banach87 said:
(I also think Tsunade should have died at the end of the Pain invasion, so that no Sannin were left at the start of the war)
I agree but I'm leery of Tsunade going out in a shitty way. :hmm:

Best scenario I can come up with that does her some justice without messing up what follows is that she has a full-on battle against the Six Paths of Pain in Konoha as expected. Like Jiraiya bringing out Sage Mode, she brings out her Strength of a Hundred Jutsu to wreck some shit and tanks some hits. Then she's taken out when she protects everyone from the Shinra Tensei in defiance (including an already-arrived Naruto to ensure there's a significant purpose behind it that isn't made redundant, perhaps?) and she slips into a coma.

Since she can't die during the battle since she'd get resurrected and if she dies afterwards as a result of Pain's attack, then it has a really negative impact on the mass resurrection itself.

So it's actually Danzo who secretly does the deed to ensure his rise to Hokage. Which is still shitty but she has her time to shine, helps set up Pain's defeat like Jiraiya and creates one hell of a hate boner for Danzo. Both for the readers and even for the characters since I would have liked it if Danzo's involvement in creating Pain, killing that toad and sitting on his laurels while Konoha was destroyed all came out and set the village against them. Tsunade's murder would be icing and candles on the hate cake.

Then he gets a grand comeuppance after the Kage Summit and Kakashi becomes the Hokage because he has to rather than just for the sake of it.
 

Altered Nova

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Tsunade fighting the Six Paths of Pain and then sacrificing herself to protect an earlier-arriving Naruto from the nuclear Shinra Tensei would have been awesome, would have prevented her actions from being made completely redundant by Nagato's later sacrifice. why the hell wasn't that canon?

And hell, if he really wanted to still use her in the Fourth World War, then Kishimoto could have just had her exhaust herself fighting Pain and protecting Naruto instead of dying. It would have been a huge improvement without ultimately really changing anything.
 

TC_Hazard

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thecuiy said:
Hold on.

The the title of the new series is Naruto Gaiden: The Seventh Hokage and the Scarlet Spring(thanks for clarifying that point about the title for me anko)

There is a focus on the letter S in the second half of the title.

Its a series about the next generation.

The next letter after S is T

Naruto GT confirmed.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO-
You joke but given how the anime is milking the last manga chapters to a degree that would make DBZ proud, there is little chance of us not getting an anime continuation if SP can get away with it.
 

Knyght

The Collector
Naruto Gaiden: Final Verdict

The Bad


Plot: Naruto Gaiden is basically all about Uchiha's family drama. And if we're left with more questions than answers, what was the point?

Sasuke's Absence: Sasuke fell so far below my expectations as a parent and husband, it hurt. I assumed that he actually lived in Konoha after he finished his journey but went on missions frequently. At worst, I thought he was on the road for months but would still return home a few times a year.

Instead he hadn't been back in Konoha for so long that Sarada couldn't even remember him. The excuse that he'd been traversing dimensions just made it worse for me; if he can make his way to other dimensions (and fly) then he can make his way home sometimes. Damn, dude, send a letter or something.

And then he just leaves again anyway after trolling his wife. If it wasn't obvious from the murder attempts and traumatic genjutsu, Kishimoto really hammers it in that SasuSaku is a terrible thing.

Sakura Fainting: It was a remarkably clever way of undermining what little cred Sakura may have had left. And couldn't we have had a small mention of Sakura being in charge of the Medical Corps? It seems like all she's done since the end of the war is get pregnant, chase after Sasuke and housework.

Sarada's Mother: The Karin/Sakura issue was kind of amusing but mostly annoying. The fact that Sarada's parentage was even a question, let alone a major plot point, bothered. And I don't see why no one told her that Sakura had given birth to her outside of Konoha with help from a friend? Seriously. Sarada growing resentful of her father for his absence would honestly have been enough drama by itself.

Chouchou: She was my favourite next-gen in the Epilogue for this alone: "Yeah, I'm fat. Deal with it. Peace, sucka."

And now I'm utterly sick of her. She should have been left behind, just appearing enough to show that she and Sarada are friends but nothing more. Her entire reason for being there grated and her attempts at comic relief just grew worse and worse.

Despite being a prick from what we've seen, I really would have preferred Boruto being there. He would have made so much more sense (especially since he was meant to deliver the lunch box) and at least then he could have developed some during the Gaiden or have shown a better side of himself.

Mitsuki: This freaking kid. Kishimoto's seriously dragging out the mystery of his heritage after he popped up out of nowhere but I really don't give a damn anyway. I wish Metal Lee was the third teammate of the new Team 7. If not, then Himawari should have been Boruto's fraternal twin and been on the team instead.

Orochimaru and Kabuto's Status: He should be dead or just have vanished from the story. They literally could have said "Orochimaru vanished after the war and no-one's seen or heard anything of him since" and I would have been totally cool with it. Yamato being stuck on guard duty and Naruto and Sasuke just having some casual chat with him was all kinds of bizarre.

Kabuto running the orphanage was exactly what I expected, to be honest. But I would preferred imprisonment or execution considering the extent of his crimes. One scenario I plucked out of my head was that he'd actually spent a decade or so in prison but when Naruto became Hokage, he made him carry out the rest of his penance by running the orphanage. I'm not sure if I find that fitting, or if the idea just pisses me off. :huh:

Suigetsu and Juugo: Suigetsu should have gone back to Kiri to reform the Seven Ninja Swordsmen like he was moaning about the entire time. Instead he's Orochimaru's bitch despite the kidnapping and experimenting thing. Juugo could have gone into the wilds for solitude, joined a monastery or even went to find those afflicted by the curse seal. Hell, he could have stuck by Sasuke's side and it would have been cool. Instead he went back to the guy who never did a damn thing except exploit him.

Karin really should have just moved to Konoha but I find her going back to Orochimaru the least irksome. She didn't really have anything against him in the first place.

Only good thing that came out of those three here was that I didn't get to see them in the Epilogue, so my curiosity is now sated.

That Damn Shin: If it weren't for how much the very existence of Kaguya ruined Naruto, Shin would be the worst villain around. A wannabe Uchiha obsessed with Itachi and Akatsuki and has too many damn Sharingan. It's nothing we haven't seen before. His pseudo-Kamui bugs me on principle and his weapon telekinesis is pitifully unoriginal and weak considering it comes from a Mangekyou of all things. I genuinely would have preferred Shin having a different power with each eye just for the variety. It'd make more sense given he's stuff his body with them and it would at least give us an idea of what other Mangekyou jutsu existed in the past. Then again, Kishimoto would probably mess that up anyway.

On the whole, he was terrible from start to finish. It's ironic that his basic motivation - that conflict is necessary for humanity - is perfect an antagonist of the new era and would have been great if it belonging to a proper new villain for the Gaiden instead of this rehash of our old ones.

The Good

Sarada: She may have been the central figure behind all this family drama but I liked her character and I liked her growth. I'm totally okay with her newfound desire to become Hokage.

Next Gen's Skills: If there's one thing I like about next generation it's that at least half of them already outclass what their parents could do at the same age. They haven't even left the Academy yet and we've got Boruto playing games with Shadow Clones, Sarada leaving craters and activating the Sharingan and Chouchou going Partial Multi-Size with her arm.

Can't be certain about the rest but Shikadai and Inojin probably are better than Shikamaru and Ino were at their age if they've learned jutsu from both parents. And I'm totally cool with that.

Hokage Naruto: I wasn't expecting him to do much but sit behind a desk or throw around some wise words during this Gaiden so that's one area where it actually surpassed my expectations in a good way. His attitude and the development of his relationship with Sarada was one of the highlights.

Even the fact that he's rusty doesn't bother me much. I half-expected it anyway since it's peacetime and he wouldn't be quite as active. But even then, it doesn't mean he's actually weaker since that's still years of experience as both a Sage and a Perfect Jinchuuriki. He might not have the "battle sense" he once did, but there's no doubt he's still a beast.

And scaring the shit out of a kid so bad that he had to tell Kurama to chill was cool. Hokage Naruto is best Naruto.

The Verdict

So there's more bad than good and no-one is surprised. It has some good points but, on the whole, it was as disappointing as I expected it to be. It should have been a grand opportunity to explore the world after the Fourth Great Shinobi War but was ultimately too narrow in focus. If nothing else, it was something to talk about.

Now I just wish Naruto Gaiden had simply been a story about Boruto, Sarada and Himawari's first mission gone wrong when a new warmonger enters the scene.
 

jakkuzarippa

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Well summarized, knight.

Sadly, the good far outweighs the bad to no one's surprise. I agree with liking Sarada, but that's about it. The adults were pretty fail, except Hokage!Naruto, who despite getting complacent in battle, still got that TnJ turned up to 11.

Just a thought, but perhaps the author tired of the series a while ago and instead of creating something, its simply a job to pay the bills, along with an editorial mandate as the figurative gun to the head? The quality and progression of the manga over the last 6-7 years certainly suggests it.
 

Altered Nova

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I agree with all of that. A few good ideas, a couple of good characters, a lame villain with decent motivation, a "mystery" with a lot of plot holes in hindsight, and a lot of character assassination among the returning crew related to the fact that everyone is now best buds with Orochimaru the genocidal psychopath like he never invaded Konoha and murdered thousands of Konoha shinobi and assassinated the Hokage and attempted to steal Sasuke's body and goddamn what the fuck is wrong with everyone?! Kabuto's treatment is also a problem but at least he was actually redeemed!

Oh, and there was also the introduction of bizarrely powerful and easy cloning technology that could be used to threaten or revolutionize the world but is treated like a curiosity. Seriously, you'd think Naruto would at least mention needing to destroy the cloning labs later so no one can use them to clone another army of super soldiers. Or that everyone would be at least a little disturbed by the knowledge that Orochimaru has access to that tech. But no one really seemed to care.

Also, why is there no record of Sarada's birth? Sakura is a medical ninja of Konoha, hell she's head of the medical corps according to one of the books. Couldn't she write up the birth record herself when she returned to the village? Seems like a rather important thing to forget to do.
 

goldenarms

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Altered Nova said:
knight504 said:
And why/how did Karin give Sarada a pair of glasses, yet Sarada has never met her? How does that situation come up?
Gave it to Sakura who gave it to Sarada, I guess.
If Karin and Sakura are close enough friends that Sakura entrusts Karin with Sarada's umbilical cord and tells her about Sarada's need for glasses and prescription and Karin cares enough to act on that information and buys her glasses as a gift, then you'd think they'd also be close enough that Karin might visit Konoha occasionally to chat with Sakura and Sarada would get to meet her. Or at the least Sarada might ask Sakura who she's talking to on the phone occasionally and Sakura would reply "my friend Karin." But Sarada has literally never heard of her mom's friend before seeing that photo and hearing her name from Suigetsu. Which rather seems to clash with the way Karin was talking about how she and Sakura were good friends.

Also if Karin is just Sakura's friend who acted as the midwife for Sarada's birth and there's no terrible secret about their relationship, then why did Shizune refuse to talk to Sarada about Karin or the circumstances of Sarada's birth?
Even if Karin and Sakura were sworn blood sisters, that wouldn't erase that she still falls under "fugitive" for Konoha, as she played her roles in both the attack on the Five Kage Meeting as well as accessory to the assassination of a Kage-figure. She was even held as a prisoner to be interrogated by Konoha at one point, only to escape. And unlike Sasuke, it's highly unlikely she got a good word put in for her, since she had jackshit-all to do with saving the whole of humanity from an eternity of dream-slavery.

coconutED said:
A couple of thoughts:

Kishimoto could have had Suigetsu not be a total dumbass and determine from the genetic test right then that the cord was Salada's.
Well, if it was a 100% genetic match, that would have been a big red flag that something's not right, since that's not possible without a twin being involved. Then again, it's been shown before that Suigetsu is not a scientist of any degree -- if anything, he's just hired muscle. Be thankful that he didn't just dump the whole cord into the machine and beat it every time it made a funny sound.

ankokudaishogun said:
Truly, I stopped going to the narusaku forum after a while because of the stark refusal to see the possibility that there may have been more than one interpretation to the series, and that possibly, they weren't always right. Personally, I blame Nar123 for this, but the sentiment seems to be a shared force that, no matter what, the only possible ending was NaruSaku, and anyone that goes against this is a delusional nutbar.

KurokamiDG said:
Ordo said:
Here's a comment from one poster:

All of them Naruto, Sakura, Sasuke, Shikamaru, all have become scum even worse than scum. The lowest of the lowest. None of their actions can be justified.

They ended up the worst generation of them all. A generation of liars, hypocrites, betrayers.
So...they've all become scum because NaruSaku wasn't canon?

Hell, if anything they've begun to get rusty in the peaceful times they're in right now. But scum?

I...just don't get it...
Another thing that confuses me is that they get mad because Naruto "gave up" on Sakura, even though they've been wanting Sakura to give up on Sasuke forever (so she can be with Naruto), and they specifically refuse to acknowledge the hypocrisy in their words -- that Naruto fixating on a girl that didn't want him is just as bad as Sakura fixating on a guy that doesn't want her. However, it's okay for Naruto to be fixated on Sakura because "they really love each other" and should not give up on her ever. Point out that something similar exists between Sakura and Sasuke, and you're the lone black guy that wandered into the middle of a KKK festival.

I've thought this when I first decided to visit the NaruSaku board, and, to be honest, my initial hypothesis has been proven over and over again -- NaruSaku shippers put everything into a sort of stasis bubble and time lock it. In their minds, there is no alteration of feelings once established and things only grow once planted. Never once do they consider that Naruto's feelings for Sakura can change. Never once do they consider that Sakura's feelings for Naruto may never evolve into a romantic love. And we're not talking speculative things here -- there scenes in the story that explicitly show such changes (or non-changes) in play, but, for whatever reason, the NaruSaku shippers gloss over them completely in favor of ship-supporting material -- Naruto giving way to Sakura and Sasuke being alone post-Tsuande arc; Sakura's thoughts of Sasuke as her shot-down confessor said that the person she loves must be a great guy; Naruto's blatant refusal to ever touch upon his mother's comments about what kind of girl he should marry, though he goes so far as to even talk about his sleeping habits (oh, and, ah, his blatant friendzoning of his beloved Sakura-chan).

jakkuzarippa said:
I dunno, at least Sasuke only flirted with the Moral Even Horizon, maybe tongue kissed it in a drunken stupor, passed out before the real action, then woke up with a hangover but still fully clothed the next morning.

Orochimaru downright fucked it, then made tender love to it, and then went for anal, all on the first date.

I've always been under the impression Orochimaru generally only cares about Orochimaru. Part of the reason I've always wished he was the major villain of the series ever since I saw him in the Forest of death
Actually, I think he was supposed to be a bit more complex than that. Sure, he was mainly out for himself, but at the same time, he still cared about his closest people, as well as a sociopath can care, anyway -- he "got sand in his eye" when he thought of killing Sarutobi; he seemed genuinely surprised that Tsunade tried to kill him, even after he cut a deal to bring back Dan and Nawaki; and his general aversion to death in part of his own parents dying.

Altered Nova said:
So what the heck happened to that Shin guy? He was the big villain of this mini story arc and they were all set on capturing him to interrogate him for information but he didn't even appear in the last chapter! Did he escape, or die, or get captured? Where the hell did he get that miniature version of the Juubi? What was his connection to Akatsuki? Did he have anything to do with this new threat related to Kaguya that Sasuke was going on about? Why have none of those questions been answered?!
Shin's dead, baby. Shin's dead.

And the rest of that stuff, eh, who knows. Maybe he's saving that stuff for the son to handle later.

ankokudaishogun said:
Which rather seems to clash with the way Karin was talking about how she and Sakura were good friends.
Remember Ino.
Also, "friendship between women" is code for "being the most passive-aggressive hostile bitches they can to each other": the cord was Sakura rubbing on Karin's face that SHE is Sasuke's wife and the mother of SASUKE's child.
And while under the influence of medical painkillers, Sakura that it would be a good idea to let Karin name the child.

EDIT: I have NO idea how my post managed to double itself into a quote. Weird...
 
The Gaiden is basically Kishimoto trying to do something different and failing some. The point of the Gaiden is exclusively Salada's feelings toward her parents, but Kishimoto puts WAY too many irons in the fire, with many plot points that aren't going to be explored because they were only supposed to be "spices" on the Salada Feelings steak.

On Salada being what ties together Sasuke and Sakura:
many though of it as "Sasuke is with Sakura only because they have Salada".
I think it's supposed to be "Salada's existence is the proof of Sasuke and Sakura's feelings for each other".
Which, given Sasuke's character, makes sense.
 
Official WSJ scan


So, Sasuke and Sakura were travelling together or Sakura and Karin were stalking Sasuke?
 

thecuiy

Well-Known Member
I find the latter more likely all things considered.
 

goldenarms

Well-Known Member
ankokudaishogun said:
Official WSJ scan


So, Sasuke and Sakura were travelling together or Sakura and Karin were stalking Sasuke?
thecuiy said:
I find the latter more likely all things considered.
Well, it does make for a more interesting story of two girls bonding and stuff, but it also makes Sasuke out to be a really big "love 'em and leave 'em" kind of dick, and given that Sasuke's image is supposed to be different now, I'll go with the eval that Sasuke relented after some point and let Sakura come along with him. Probably after events of The Last, to be exact.

Also, something else, more for my piece of mind, is that Suigetsu and Karin never did hook up by all looks of things. Largely because SuiKarin shippers seemingly treat them as NaruSaku, but with even less material to pin anything of them together with.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
I'm just surprised that Karin didn't use Orochimaru's cloning tech to make herself a bunch of Sasuke babies to raise. That girl was cuckoo for Sasuke. I half expected her to become a yandere when Sasuke married another woman.
 

Shirotsume

Not The Goddamn @dmin
That's actually what I was expecting happened for a while.

That Sakura wasn't actually Sakura, but Karin either pretending to be or using one of Orochimaru's jutsu to take the appearance or even take her body.

Would have been a hell of a plot twist.
 

leeyiankun

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Shirotsume said:
That's actually what I was expecting happened for a while.

That Sakura wasn't actually Sakura, but Karin either pretending to be or using one of Orochimaru's jutsu to take the appearance or even take her body.

Would have been a hell of a plot twist.
Would be infinitely more interesting than canon.
 

KurokamiDG

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Dash_One said:
knight504 said:


Sasuke's as absent here as he is in Sarada's childhood.
Doesn't matter. Sarada has Naruto as a new daddy.
Orochimaru looks pretty as fuck and...friendly.

It's so weird seeing him like that.
 

13ry4n

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KurokamiDG said:
Dash_One said:
knight504 said:


Sasuke's as absent here as he is in Sarada's childhood.
Doesn't matter. Sarada has Naruto as a new daddy.
Orochimaru looks pretty as fuck and...friendly.

It's so weird seeing him like that.
Just be weary, I hear he has a van filled to the brim with candy.
 

nintendokid

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I'm moderately sure it was mentioned that his appearance is somewhat altered by the body he inhabits. He was also pretty much a bishounen as a child.
 
Cover and undercover

Still no idea what the hell the subtitle means
 
Quite fun. We learn a little about Konohamaru's parents, too.
also, Sakura as medical jutsu innovator. Basically a researcher... Very in character.

And sadly for her teammates, Salada might have inherited Tenten's role as straight woman, but unlike 10/10 Salada has the capacity to stop their shenanigans. Physically.
 
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