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Jiraya specifically stated that the seal done on Naruto was sloopy work. Therefore Orochimaru has limited knowledge of seals, and simply used one that he knew in order to stop it. That gives no evidence to his specific knowlegde of how the seal works between Naruto and the Kyuubi. Arguement just failed right there.
I don't think they are unbeatable, but you seem to think that Orochimaru can plan for every situation involving them. Orochimaru is not invincible, and it is clear that there are members stronger than him. If two or more come after him he doesn't stand a high chance of survival, simple as that. And Orochimaru would not take that kind of risk when he seeks immortality. All those battles you mentioned are one on one. You fail to plan for the instance Orochimaru has to face two of them. Also depending on when Orochimaru fights them, he could be weakened by his body failing on him. If Sasuke can beat a weakened orochimaru no problem so can any one of the Akatsuki.
Deidara vs. Sasuke and Sasuke vs. Orochimaru. Sharingan. Nuff said.
Suigetsu is a failed plot line because he hates Orochimaru (Cannon), Juugo is a basketcase and a pacifist (Cept when crazy), and Karin shows no ability in battle whatsoever (Yet I'll admit). Even if they were used to defend Orochimaru, two members of Akatsuki would screw them over. Let alone more.
Akatsuki (other than Sasori) have not made Orochimaru very high in their plans, and seemed confident Orochimaru would die by his own means by the end of the first part of Naruto. Other than that Orochimaru has been very careful about messing with Akatsuki.
And he'd be that much more of a target because he is messing with one of their major goals. They are AFTER the Jinchurriki. That is a MAJOR part of their plans. They even put off killing Orochimaru as they search for all of them. If he starts messing with one of them, Akatsuki has a major reason to hunt him down and kill him.
Akatsuki may be beatable, but Orochimaru is too. The snake can't possibly risk getting himself killed for messing with Akatsuki's goals, and he knows that if he does that he's screwed. And frankly he doesn't stand a chance against two or more members. They may be able to wound eachother, but ultimitely Orochimaru would die in a battle against two members.
Agreed, very dead arguement, too much assumption to go on much.
Orochimaru blocked the orb with three Ryushoman (SP?) Gates, left a fake body behind (Later Orochimaru's true body comes out of the extended neck), and dodged the overall blow. He wasn't hit with the orb at all. Thus he could not have an adverse reaction to Kyuubi's chakra. Also here is the page after it. It is heavily implied that he was talking about the body transfer technique. Otherwise why would he mention Sasuke at all? It's not solid sure, but it is enough evidence to support that as the three year time limit comes to an end, the body starts to reject Orochimaru's soul.
Also to respond to the comment above:
The fact that he didn't mark Sasuke means that he wasn't after Sasuke's body. The whole point of marking him was to give him a taste of the power he would get if he defected to sound. Without that, Sasuke's reasons for leaving grow very very small.
If Sasuke was dead from the seal his plans to gain the sharingan would be ruined. THe seal could ahve killed Sasuke and Orochimaru believes since Sasuke was so weak it would kill him if he marked him. Orochimaru will most likely try to mark him when he judges Sasuke of sufficent strength.
IF YOU CAN"T SEE THAT THE LOSS OF THE SHARINGAN WOULD MAKE HIS PLANS WORSE AND NOT BETTER THAN YOU ARE BLIND.
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nintendokid said:
Your first argument makes no sense. He doesn't know the jutsu that involves the death god, that's it. Just the jutsu, not the seal. He clearly knew what the seal was and how it functioned in the forest of death or else he would've been taking a huge risk by doing ANYTHING to the seal, so it's, unfortunately, your argument that fails on this one.
I'm not gonna even bother with the Akatsuki bit since you seem to think they're unbeatable. Despite Deidara being beat more or less easily by someone who admitted they were a lot weaker than Orochimaru and used a skillset that was probably quite similar to Orochimaru's. Kisame says Suigetsu was a prodigy in the art of murder. Orochimaru and Kabuto planned to kill Sasori and Deidara when they were set to meet them, only to end up meeting Team 7. Hidan was beaten by a pathetically weak moron who's plans failed time and time again and didn't work until plan #569. Despite Gai beating Kisame's clone (and it had 30 percent of his chakra, not his skills or strength, so it would still count as a victory).
And Orochimaru has pissed all over Akatsuki's plans a couple of times, so it's not like he's not already a major target, and Kabuto has information about Akatsuki's movements, so he's definitely keeping an eye on them. Having their ring alone should be enough to get him killed, so I don't see why he would be that much more of a target.
Point is, Akatsuki is beatable. They're strong. But they're beatable.
The vessel thing is up in the air, so that's pretty much a dead argument.
But the "proof" you gave me does nothing to suggest that three years is the absolute max he can hold a body. All it says is "This body is indeed showing an adverse reaction."
An adverse reaction to what? Shellfish? How about Kyuubi's highly poisonous chakra? But no. That couldn't possibly be it.
I'm not gonna even bother with the Akatsuki bit since you seem to think they're unbeatable. Despite Deidara being beat more or less easily by someone who admitted they were a lot weaker than Orochimaru and used a skillset that was probably quite similar to Orochimaru's. Kisame says Suigetsu was a prodigy in the art of murder. Orochimaru and Kabuto planned to kill Sasori and Deidara when they were set to meet them, only to end up meeting Team 7. Hidan was beaten by a pathetically weak moron who's plans failed time and time again and didn't work until plan #569. Despite Gai beating Kisame's clone (and it had 30 percent of his chakra, not his skills or strength, so it would still count as a victory).
And Orochimaru has pissed all over Akatsuki's plans a couple of times, so it's not like he's not already a major target, and Kabuto has information about Akatsuki's movements, so he's definitely keeping an eye on them. Having their ring alone should be enough to get him killed, so I don't see why he would be that much more of a target.
Point is, Akatsuki is beatable. They're strong. But they're beatable.
The vessel thing is up in the air, so that's pretty much a dead argument.
But the "proof" you gave me does nothing to suggest that three years is the absolute max he can hold a body. All it says is "This body is indeed showing an adverse reaction."
An adverse reaction to what? Shellfish? How about Kyuubi's highly poisonous chakra? But no. That couldn't possibly be it.
I don't think they are unbeatable, but you seem to think that Orochimaru can plan for every situation involving them. Orochimaru is not invincible, and it is clear that there are members stronger than him. If two or more come after him he doesn't stand a high chance of survival, simple as that. And Orochimaru would not take that kind of risk when he seeks immortality. All those battles you mentioned are one on one. You fail to plan for the instance Orochimaru has to face two of them. Also depending on when Orochimaru fights them, he could be weakened by his body failing on him. If Sasuke can beat a weakened orochimaru no problem so can any one of the Akatsuki.
Deidara vs. Sasuke and Sasuke vs. Orochimaru. Sharingan. Nuff said.
Suigetsu is a failed plot line because he hates Orochimaru (Cannon), Juugo is a basketcase and a pacifist (Cept when crazy), and Karin shows no ability in battle whatsoever (Yet I'll admit). Even if they were used to defend Orochimaru, two members of Akatsuki would screw them over. Let alone more.
Akatsuki (other than Sasori) have not made Orochimaru very high in their plans, and seemed confident Orochimaru would die by his own means by the end of the first part of Naruto. Other than that Orochimaru has been very careful about messing with Akatsuki.
And he'd be that much more of a target because he is messing with one of their major goals. They are AFTER the Jinchurriki. That is a MAJOR part of their plans. They even put off killing Orochimaru as they search for all of them. If he starts messing with one of them, Akatsuki has a major reason to hunt him down and kill him.
Akatsuki may be beatable, but Orochimaru is too. The snake can't possibly risk getting himself killed for messing with Akatsuki's goals, and he knows that if he does that he's screwed. And frankly he doesn't stand a chance against two or more members. They may be able to wound eachother, but ultimitely Orochimaru would die in a battle against two members.
Agreed, very dead arguement, too much assumption to go on much.
Orochimaru blocked the orb with three Ryushoman (SP?) Gates, left a fake body behind (Later Orochimaru's true body comes out of the extended neck), and dodged the overall blow. He wasn't hit with the orb at all. Thus he could not have an adverse reaction to Kyuubi's chakra. Also here is the page after it. It is heavily implied that he was talking about the body transfer technique. Otherwise why would he mention Sasuke at all? It's not solid sure, but it is enough evidence to support that as the three year time limit comes to an end, the body starts to reject Orochimaru's soul.
Also to respond to the comment above:
The fact that he didn't mark Sasuke means that he wasn't after Sasuke's body. The whole point of marking him was to give him a taste of the power he would get if he defected to sound. Without that, Sasuke's reasons for leaving grow very very small.
IF YOU CAN"T SEE THAT THE LOSS OF THE SHARINGAN WOULD MAKE HIS PLANS WORSE AND NOT BETTER THAN YOU ARE BLIND.
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Not sure if you have forgotten. But Orochimaru tried to kill Naruto in Tsunade arc. So either he isn't afraid of Akatsuki, or he just don't care about them.
That is pure canon. So you can't really say that Orochimaru wouldn't do things because he would get Akatsuki after him.
This is honestly another point I hate about cannon. Orochimaru had no reason to kill him honestly, and that was pure stupid on his part. Bad writing by Kishimoto to get Tsunade to stand up for him.
I'm not going to bother... here...
I'll edit this minorly. This can be worked if done well, but the author probably doesn't intend to have Sasuke defect, because Orochimaru is likely going to die soon in his story.
In this case we go right back to my arguement about Orochimaru not having planed for his next body which was needed a month or so after the Sound invasion.
Amberion said:
And he'd be that much more of a target because he is messing with one of their major goals. They are AFTER the Jinchurriki. That is a MAJOR part of their plans. They even put off killing Orochimaru as they search for all of them. If he starts messing with one of them, Akatsuki has a major reason to hunt him down and kill him.
That is pure canon. So you can't really say that Orochimaru wouldn't do things because he would get Akatsuki after him.
If Sasuke was dead from the seal his plans to gain the sharingan would be ruined. THe seal could ahve killed Sasuke and Orochimaru believes since Sasuke was so weak it would kill him if he marked him. Orochimaru will most likely try to mark him when he judges Sasuke of sufficent strength.
The fact that he didn't mark Sasuke means that he wasn't after Sasuke's body. The whole point of marking him was to give him a taste of the power he would get if he defected to sound. Without that, Sasuke's reasons for leaving grow very very small.
In this case we go right back to my arguement about Orochimaru not having planed for his next body which was needed a month or so after the Sound invasion.
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Not sure if you have forgotten. But Orochimaru tried to kill Naruto in Tsunade arc. So either he isn't afraid of Akatsuki, or he just don't care about them.
That is pure canon. So you can't really say that Orochimaru wouldn't do things because he would get Akatsuki after him.
This is honestly another point I hate about cannon. Orochimaru had no reason to kill him honestly, and that was pure stupid on his part. Bad writing by Kishimoto to get Tsunade to stand up for him.
I'm not going to bother... here...
I'll edit this minorly. This can be worked if done well, but the author probably doesn't intend to have Sasuke defect, because Orochimaru is likely going to die soon in his story.
In this case we go right back to my arguement about Orochimaru not having planed for his next body which was needed a month or so after the Sound invasion.
So your not going to answer sinc eit proves your statement wrong? Wow you really are a troll. Besides what evidence do you have that Orochimaru cared about Akatsuki that much. He is so arrogant tha the believes he could fend off a pair. Besides Orochimaru was clearly a threat to their plans of world domination. If they had believe they could easily take him out without losing a member than they would have. It is amazing your ability to ignore everything anyone says in an argument against you.
~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Amberion said:
And he'd be that much more of a target because he is messing with one of their major goals. They are AFTER the Jinchurriki. That is a MAJOR part of their plans. They even put off killing Orochimaru as they search for all of them. If he starts messing with one of them, Akatsuki has a major reason to hunt him down and kill him.
That is pure canon. So you can't really say that Orochimaru wouldn't do things because he would get Akatsuki after him.
If Sasuke was dead from the seal his plans to gain the sharingan would be ruined. THe seal could ahve killed Sasuke and Orochimaru believes since Sasuke was so weak it would kill him if he marked him. Orochimaru will most likely try to mark him when he judges Sasuke of sufficent strength.
The fact that he didn't mark Sasuke means that he wasn't after Sasuke's body. The whole point of marking him was to give him a taste of the power he would get if he defected to sound. Without that, Sasuke's reasons for leaving grow very very small.
In this case we go right back to my arguement about Orochimaru not having planed for his next body which was needed a month or so after the Sound invasion.
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I did respond to it. The quote right after it was mine that alread answered that question. Read the whole thing before you accuse me of trolling.
And he was worried about Akatsuki, to the point the whole reason he keeps Naruto alive is to kill a few more of them off. It's inconsistent overall in the plot, but the Akatsuki left Orochimaru to his own devices (Again, except Sasori) under the assumption that he'd get himself killed, which was what was said near the end of part one, right here.
immolo said:
So your not going to answer sinc eit proves your statement wrong? Wow you really are a troll. Besides what evidence do you have that Orochimaru cared about Akatsuki that much. He is so arrogant tha the believes he could fend off a pair. Besides Orochimaru was clearly a threat to their plans of world domination. If they had believe they could easily take him out without losing a member than they would have. It is amazing your ability to ignore everything anyone says in an argument against you.
And he was worried about Akatsuki, to the point the whole reason he keeps Naruto alive is to kill a few more of them off. It's inconsistent overall in the plot, but the Akatsuki left Orochimaru to his own devices (Again, except Sasori) under the assumption that he'd get himself killed, which was what was said near the end of part one, right here.
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Ahhh, yes, Stranger then Fiction. The fic where Naruto takes on Kinfire's Harry's characteristics. Emo overlord, how your wrists don't automatically slash themselves as you read it I'll never know. Not even the fact that Naruto apparently gets both Hanabi and Hinata can salvage the self loathing that Naruto dilvulges in each chapter.
On the other hand, thanks for the link to the second fic! I must admit it's rushed in some parts, overly sappy in others, but it's decent Naruto/Tsunade! Autowin!
perfect_solider said:
On the other hand, thanks for the link to the second fic! I must admit it's rushed in some parts, overly sappy in others, but it's decent Naruto/Tsunade! Autowin!
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In canon, Orochimaru wanted to kill Naruto to keep the Akatsuki from getting the Kyuubi. They weren't very active at that time.
PTS, Akatsuki are more active, so Orochimaru wants to leave them alone for now.
People are fickle. What someone decides as a good idea one time he might decide that doing the same thing at a later date, no real change of circumstances, he doesn't want to deal with.
But, IMO, 9TS is NOT that good of a story. (Took it off my favorites awhile back.) It's a "give-character-X-super-powers" gone wrong.
Again, my opinion. You can't change it. I can't change yours.
To me, it's not a good story.
*Shrug*
In canon, Orochimaru wanted to kill Naruto to keep the Akatsuki from getting the Kyuubi. They weren't very active at that time.
PTS, Akatsuki are more active, so Orochimaru wants to leave them alone for now.
People are fickle. What someone decides as a good idea one time he might decide that doing the same thing at a later date, no real change of circumstances, he doesn't want to deal with.
But, IMO, 9TS is NOT that good of a story. (Took it off my favorites awhile back.) It's a "give-character-X-super-powers" gone wrong.
Again, my opinion. You can't change it. I can't change yours.
To me, it's not a good story.
*Shrug*
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To a certain extent, yes that is true. I am not a fan of really dark stories where Naruto is more evil yet remains loyal to Konoha, but this one is written well enough that to a certain extent such transgressions can be forgiven. Excellent writing, bad use of plot in this case. Also the romances are meh. 9 Tailed serpent won't make it on my favorites due to several plot uses that are dumb and I dont like for these very reasons listed (But it does deserve honorable mention). Then again I am very lazy updating my favorites list... I think I still haven't put Tempered in Water or Book of Naruto up there yet...
Overall it started off well, promising not too much overpowering, as he barely managed to survive against Zabuza and Haku, but after the curse seal thing the ascent to power was very unbelievable overall.
However that line to Kimimaru about being ninja and not needing honor was pure WIN.
Nanya said:
In canon, Orochimaru wanted to kill Naruto to keep the Akatsuki from getting the Kyuubi.? They weren't very active at that time.
PTS, Akatsuki are more active, so Orochimaru wants to leave them alone for now.
People are fickle.? What someone decides as a good idea one time he might decide that doing the same thing at a later date, no real change of circumstances, he doesn't want to deal with.
But, IMO, 9TS is NOT that good of a story.? (Took it off my favorites awhile back.)? It's a? "give-character-X-super-powers" gone wrong.
Again, my opinion.? You can't change it.? I can't change yours.
To me, it's not a good story.
*Shrug*
PTS, Akatsuki are more active, so Orochimaru wants to leave them alone for now.
People are fickle.? What someone decides as a good idea one time he might decide that doing the same thing at a later date, no real change of circumstances, he doesn't want to deal with.
But, IMO, 9TS is NOT that good of a story.? (Took it off my favorites awhile back.)? It's a? "give-character-X-super-powers" gone wrong.
Again, my opinion.? You can't change it.? I can't change yours.
To me, it's not a good story.
*Shrug*
Overall it started off well, promising not too much overpowering, as he barely managed to survive against Zabuza and Haku, but after the curse seal thing the ascent to power was very unbelievable overall.
However that line to Kimimaru about being ninja and not needing honor was pure WIN.
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The only reason Orochimaru wanted to kill Naruto during the meeting with Tsunade was because Naruto was able to fight to a draw with Kabuto, and showed himself to be more of a threat than he was believed to be initially. Keep in mind that at that point in time, Kabuto is supposedly equivalent to Kakashi in skill. I'm not saying that Naruto is as skilled as Kabuto, but if Kabuto was not able ot regenerate the damage near instantly, he would have been killed. Same with Naruto if Tsunade hadn't been there. Thats how canon was, and I doubt repercussions from the Akatsuki was even on Orochimaru's mind at the time. Naruto was a threat that he could eliminate right then and be done with.
As for Orochimaru's body switching... At that point in time it seemed like he could've lasted a lot longer in the body he was wearing. Keep in mind he had actually planned on being able to decimate Konoha. I'm pretty sure that even if he knew the technique, he had no idea that The Third would be willing to sacrifice himself using the death god to seal away both him and Orochimaru. As is, he was just lucky enough that Sarutobi didn't have the strength to get more than just his arms.
Being a Temari fan (oh the puns!) I would've preferred Kankuro to get offed in that manner... but oh well. I still like 9TS, as in terms of strength, Naruto is really only about a dozen or so chapters ahead of where he'd be in canon. I mean he lost to Kimimaro, who maybe 2-4 months later only had problems against Gaara and a drunk Lee, and even then would have won if not for his illness stopping him before what appeared to be a killing blow. I don't really see this Naruto as being overpowered as much as having a different mindset when it comes to battle. He takes every advantage, has been killing since he got in contact with kyuubi, and got promoted to anbu who don't really fit into the Gen/Chu/Jounin rank system in the first place.
The only reason Orochimaru wanted to kill Naruto during the meeting with Tsunade was because Naruto was able to fight to a draw with Kabuto, and showed himself to be more of a threat than he was believed to be initially. Keep in mind that at that point in time, Kabuto is supposedly equivalent to Kakashi in skill. I'm not saying that Naruto is as skilled as Kabuto, but if Kabuto was not able ot regenerate the damage near instantly, he would have been killed. Same with Naruto if Tsunade hadn't been there. Thats how canon was, and I doubt repercussions from the Akatsuki was even on Orochimaru's mind at the time. Naruto was a threat that he could eliminate right then and be done with.
As for Orochimaru's body switching... At that point in time it seemed like he could've lasted a lot longer in the body he was wearing. Keep in mind he had actually planned on being able to decimate Konoha. I'm pretty sure that even if he knew the technique, he had no idea that The Third would be willing to sacrifice himself using the death god to seal away both him and Orochimaru. As is, he was just lucky enough that Sarutobi didn't have the strength to get more than just his arms.
Being a Temari fan (oh the puns!) I would've preferred Kankuro to get offed in that manner... but oh well. I still like 9TS, as in terms of strength, Naruto is really only about a dozen or so chapters ahead of where he'd be in canon. I mean he lost to Kimimaro, who maybe 2-4 months later only had problems against Gaara and a drunk Lee, and even then would have won if not for his illness stopping him before what appeared to be a killing blow. I don't really see this Naruto as being overpowered as much as having a different mindset when it comes to battle. He takes every advantage, has been killing since he got in contact with kyuubi, and got promoted to anbu who don't really fit into the Gen/Chu/Jounin rank system in the first place.
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That story actually updated quite a long while ago.
EDIT: Okay, not a 'long while' ago, but several days ago. ^^;
Nanya said:
EDIT: Okay, not a 'long while' ago, but several days ago. ^^;
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Oh man finally, I didn't want to waste a good knife cutting myself to see if i still feeeeeeellllll. This fic could just do it for me.
I actually kinda liked it, though it's emo is overpowering, it's a nice premise and it's well written.
And that is a GREAT Naruto/Tsunade fic.
perfect_solider said:
I actually kinda liked it, though it's emo is overpowering, it's a nice premise and it's well written.
And that is a GREAT Naruto/Tsunade fic.
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The first case I see honestly as an inconsitency in the storyline. Orochimaru clearly does not want to mess with Akatsuki.
I'll agree that he probably could have lasted longer without the arm thing, but the case with Sasuke clearly shows that as the time limit runs thin he grows weaker. This is either a plot hole, or the arms only added to his condition in the first one. Overall I'm not really sure.
I'll think it's agreed that the Temari thing was over the top overall. I mean, the guy went out of his way to mock her death.
Meh, in terms of strength Naruto probably would have beaten Kimimaru if he knew that the guy could meld with the bone trees, which is the only reason he got killed in that battle. At the end of it though he clearly gains a ton of power from his death. Honestly the main problem that I have is that I have difficulty seeing a curse seal and a Jinchuuriki mixing. Just too incompatible in that case, and Orochimaru took a lot of risks in this. Plus in the senario where Naruto was bitten, I honestly see the Kyuubi destroying it before it becomes a problem. That's just my oppinion though. Honestly the author could have gone the same route by simply using larger quantities of the Kyuubi's chakra, or heck, using the Kyuubi's chakra in a smarter way. I see no point in adding the curse seal for more power.
shinzero01 said:
The only reason Orochimaru wanted to kill Naruto during the meeting with Tsunade was because Naruto was able to fight to a draw with Kabuto, and showed himself to be more of a threat than he was believed to be initially. Keep in mind that at that point in time, Kabuto is supposedly equivalent to Kakashi in skill. I'm not saying that Naruto is as skilled as Kabuto, but if Kabuto was not able ot regenerate the damage near instantly, he would have been killed. Same with Naruto if Tsunade hadn't been there. Thats how canon was, and I doubt repercussions from the Akatsuki was even on Orochimaru's mind at the time. Naruto was a threat that he could eliminate right then and be done with.
As for Orochimaru's body switching... At that point in time it seemed like he could've lasted a lot longer in the body he was wearing. Keep in mind he had actually planned on being able to decimate Konoha. I'm pretty sure that even if he knew the technique, he had no idea that The Third would be willing to sacrifice himself using the death god to seal away both him and Orochimaru. As is, he was just lucky enough that Sarutobi didn't have the strength to get more than just his arms.
Being a Temari fan (oh the puns!) I would've preferred Kankuro to get offed in that manner... but oh well. I still like 9TS, as in terms of strength, Naruto is really only about a dozen or so chapters ahead of where he'd be in canon. I mean he lost to Kimimaro, who maybe 2-4 months later only had problems against Gaara and a drunk Lee, and even then would have won if not for his illness stopping him before what appeared to be a killing blow. I don't really see this Naruto as being overpowered as much as having a different mindset when it comes to battle. He takes every advantage, has been killing since he got in contact with kyuubi, and got promoted to anbu who don't really fit into the Gen/Chu/Jounin rank system in the first place.
As for Orochimaru's body switching... At that point in time it seemed like he could've lasted a lot longer in the body he was wearing. Keep in mind he had actually planned on being able to decimate Konoha. I'm pretty sure that even if he knew the technique, he had no idea that The Third would be willing to sacrifice himself using the death god to seal away both him and Orochimaru. As is, he was just lucky enough that Sarutobi didn't have the strength to get more than just his arms.
Being a Temari fan (oh the puns!) I would've preferred Kankuro to get offed in that manner... but oh well. I still like 9TS, as in terms of strength, Naruto is really only about a dozen or so chapters ahead of where he'd be in canon. I mean he lost to Kimimaro, who maybe 2-4 months later only had problems against Gaara and a drunk Lee, and even then would have won if not for his illness stopping him before what appeared to be a killing blow. I don't really see this Naruto as being overpowered as much as having a different mindset when it comes to battle. He takes every advantage, has been killing since he got in contact with kyuubi, and got promoted to anbu who don't really fit into the Gen/Chu/Jounin rank system in the first place.
I'll agree that he probably could have lasted longer without the arm thing, but the case with Sasuke clearly shows that as the time limit runs thin he grows weaker. This is either a plot hole, or the arms only added to his condition in the first one. Overall I'm not really sure.
I'll think it's agreed that the Temari thing was over the top overall. I mean, the guy went out of his way to mock her death.
Meh, in terms of strength Naruto probably would have beaten Kimimaru if he knew that the guy could meld with the bone trees, which is the only reason he got killed in that battle. At the end of it though he clearly gains a ton of power from his death. Honestly the main problem that I have is that I have difficulty seeing a curse seal and a Jinchuuriki mixing. Just too incompatible in that case, and Orochimaru took a lot of risks in this. Plus in the senario where Naruto was bitten, I honestly see the Kyuubi destroying it before it becomes a problem. That's just my oppinion though. Honestly the author could have gone the same route by simply using larger quantities of the Kyuubi's chakra, or heck, using the Kyuubi's chakra in a smarter way. I see no point in adding the curse seal for more power.
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The first case I see honestly as an inconsitency in the storyline. Orochimaru clearly does not want to mess with Akatsuki.
I'll agree that he probably could have lasted longer without the arm thing, but the case with Sasuke clearly shows that as the time limit runs thin he grows weaker. This is either a plot hole, or the arms only added to his condition in the first one. Overall I'm not really sure.
I'll think it's agreed that the Temari thing was over the top overall. I mean, the guy went out of his way to mock her death.
Meh, in terms of strength Naruto probably would have beaten Kimimaru if he knew that the guy could meld with the bone trees, which is the only reason he got killed in that battle. At the end of it though he clearly gains a ton of power from his death. Honestly the main problem that I have is that I have difficulty seeing a curse seal and a Jinchuuriki mixing. Just too incompatible in that case, and Orochimaru took a lot of risks in this. Plus in the senario where Naruto was bitten, I honestly see the Kyuubi destroying it before it becomes a problem. That's just my oppinion though. Honestly the author could have gone the same route by simply using larger quantities of the Kyuubi's chakra, or heck, using the Kyuubi's chakra in a smarter way. I see no point in adding the curse seal for more power.
Could you either create your own seperate thread where you can whine and bitch over it or take it up with the author.
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shinzero01 said:
The only reason Orochimaru wanted to kill Naruto during the meeting with Tsunade was because Naruto was able to fight to a draw with Kabuto, and showed himself to be more of a threat than he was believed to be initially. Keep in mind that at that point in time, Kabuto is supposedly equivalent to Kakashi in skill. I'm not saying that Naruto is as skilled as Kabuto, but if Kabuto was not able ot regenerate the damage near instantly, he would have been killed. Same with Naruto if Tsunade hadn't been there. Thats how canon was, and I doubt repercussions from the Akatsuki was even on Orochimaru's mind at the time. Naruto was a threat that he could eliminate right then and be done with.
As for Orochimaru's body switching... At that point in time it seemed like he could've lasted a lot longer in the body he was wearing. Keep in mind he had actually planned on being able to decimate Konoha. I'm pretty sure that even if he knew the technique, he had no idea that The Third would be willing to sacrifice himself using the death god to seal away both him and Orochimaru. As is, he was just lucky enough that Sarutobi didn't have the strength to get more than just his arms.
Being a Temari fan (oh the puns!) I would've preferred Kankuro to get offed in that manner... but oh well. I still like 9TS, as in terms of strength, Naruto is really only about a dozen or so chapters ahead of where he'd be in canon. I mean he lost to Kimimaro, who maybe 2-4 months later only had problems against Gaara and a drunk Lee, and even then would have won if not for his illness stopping him before what appeared to be a killing blow. I don't really see this Naruto as being overpowered as much as having a different mindset when it comes to battle. He takes every advantage, has been killing since he got in contact with kyuubi, and got promoted to anbu who don't really fit into the Gen/Chu/Jounin rank system in the first place.
As for Orochimaru's body switching... At that point in time it seemed like he could've lasted a lot longer in the body he was wearing. Keep in mind he had actually planned on being able to decimate Konoha. I'm pretty sure that even if he knew the technique, he had no idea that The Third would be willing to sacrifice himself using the death god to seal away both him and Orochimaru. As is, he was just lucky enough that Sarutobi didn't have the strength to get more than just his arms.
Being a Temari fan (oh the puns!) I would've preferred Kankuro to get offed in that manner... but oh well. I still like 9TS, as in terms of strength, Naruto is really only about a dozen or so chapters ahead of where he'd be in canon. I mean he lost to Kimimaro, who maybe 2-4 months later only had problems against Gaara and a drunk Lee, and even then would have won if not for his illness stopping him before what appeared to be a killing blow. I don't really see this Naruto as being overpowered as much as having a different mindset when it comes to battle. He takes every advantage, has been killing since he got in contact with kyuubi, and got promoted to anbu who don't really fit into the Gen/Chu/Jounin rank system in the first place.
I'll agree that he probably could have lasted longer without the arm thing, but the case with Sasuke clearly shows that as the time limit runs thin he grows weaker. This is either a plot hole, or the arms only added to his condition in the first one. Overall I'm not really sure.
I'll think it's agreed that the Temari thing was over the top overall. I mean, the guy went out of his way to mock her death.
Meh, in terms of strength Naruto probably would have beaten Kimimaru if he knew that the guy could meld with the bone trees, which is the only reason he got killed in that battle. At the end of it though he clearly gains a ton of power from his death. Honestly the main problem that I have is that I have difficulty seeing a curse seal and a Jinchuuriki mixing. Just too incompatible in that case, and Orochimaru took a lot of risks in this. Plus in the senario where Naruto was bitten, I honestly see the Kyuubi destroying it before it becomes a problem. That's just my oppinion though. Honestly the author could have gone the same route by simply using larger quantities of the Kyuubi's chakra, or heck, using the Kyuubi's chakra in a smarter way. I see no point in adding the curse seal for more power.
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I would like to point out that if Shikamaru was really all that smart, he would
realize that sitting on your ass all day and not training is sucide in the Shinobi
world. So comparing him to Orochimaru is actually benificial to the other side
of the argument, as it proves that Kishimoto geniuses can and will do incredibly
stupid, half-assed, illogical things for no apparent reason whatsoever.
And what's the problem with StF? Sure, it's a bit emo, but really, out of all the
people in the entire series, Naruto is pretty much the only one who deserves
to be emo. It's a miracle he isn't in cannon.
You said before Orochimaru is as smart as Shikamaru. Taking that kind of risk is just stupid
realize that sitting on your ass all day and not training is sucide in the Shinobi
world. So comparing him to Orochimaru is actually benificial to the other side
of the argument, as it proves that Kishimoto geniuses can and will do incredibly
stupid, half-assed, illogical things for no apparent reason whatsoever.
And what's the problem with StF? Sure, it's a bit emo, but really, out of all the
people in the entire series, Naruto is pretty much the only one who deserves
to be emo. It's a miracle he isn't in cannon.
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Actually I give Gaara a similar right, though he took emo to a whole nother level.
Shikamaru being smart is cannon, his IQ is over 200. He just isn't motivated. Not the same thing. He's able to strategize very intricate plans down the the letter that usually always work, except when other factors play in. His lack of motivation is just his character quirk.
StF? What are you talking about? We were discussing NTS. My problem with it is that he uses an intricate plot that in cannon has way to many risks to be deemed viable. And the Temari death, cuz that was just mean. And the romance is meh. And Naruto isn't emo in it so much as Dark. And technically it is an overpowering the character plot, which I'm generally against. However it is written very well to the point that such transgressions can be forgiven (But I'm still not happy about it), and I really enjoy the fact that Akatsuki is actually doing something about Orochimaru. And I like the Sasori scene too.
Lord Raine said:
I would like to point out that if Shikamaru was really all that smart, he would
realize that sitting on your ass all day and not training is sucide in the Shinobi
world. So comparing him to Orochimaru is actually benificial to the other side
of the argument, as it proves that Kishimoto geniuses can and will do incredibly
stupid, half-assed, illogical things for no apparent reason whatsoever.
And what's the problem with StF? Sure, it's a bit emo, but really, out of all the
people in the entire series, Naruto is pretty much the only one who deserves
to be emo. It's a miracle he isn't in cannon.
realize that sitting on your ass all day and not training is sucide in the Shinobi
world. So comparing him to Orochimaru is actually benificial to the other side
of the argument, as it proves that Kishimoto geniuses can and will do incredibly
stupid, half-assed, illogical things for no apparent reason whatsoever.
And what's the problem with StF? Sure, it's a bit emo, but really, out of all the
people in the entire series, Naruto is pretty much the only one who deserves
to be emo. It's a miracle he isn't in cannon.
Shikamaru being smart is cannon, his IQ is over 200. He just isn't motivated. Not the same thing. He's able to strategize very intricate plans down the the letter that usually always work, except when other factors play in. His lack of motivation is just his character quirk.
StF? What are you talking about? We were discussing NTS. My problem with it is that he uses an intricate plot that in cannon has way to many risks to be deemed viable. And the Temari death, cuz that was just mean. And the romance is meh. And Naruto isn't emo in it so much as Dark. And technically it is an overpowering the character plot, which I'm generally against. However it is written very well to the point that such transgressions can be forgiven (But I'm still not happy about it), and I really enjoy the fact that Akatsuki is actually doing something about Orochimaru. And I like the Sasori scene too.
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Gaara isn't Emo. He hurts others to feel alive. That makes him an anti-Emo. Lock him in a room full of Emo's and watch as he performs community service.
Well, depends on your take of it. He wants to battle to feel alive, and he seemed excited when Sasuke was able to make him bleed, and he gets off on the tougher battles appearently (He chose Naruto who would have been harder to beat than Sasuke who was already beaten and just needed squishing). Plus his first thing to do when Yashamaru betrayed him was to carve the freaking Kanji for love on his forhead. And there was that one scene where he tried to cut himself, but that was before his trip to crazy town....
Fine. I'll take it elsewhere. To keep this on topic (Slightly) The Demon Prince of Konoha updated, but not exactly a good story in my book.
elric said:
~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Actually I give Gaara a similar right, though he took emo to a whole nother level.
PLEASE, either do this in PM, or a new topic. Everytime someone posts here, I keep thinking a new story (that's good) has been updated.
Please?
Please?
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Gaara isn't Emo. He hurts others to feel alive. That makes him an anti-Emo. Lock him in a room full of Emo's and watch as he performs community service.
Well, depends on your take of it. He wants to battle to feel alive, and he seemed excited when Sasuke was able to make him bleed, and he gets off on the tougher battles appearently (He chose Naruto who would have been harder to beat than Sasuke who was already beaten and just needed squishing). Plus his first thing to do when Yashamaru betrayed him was to carve the freaking Kanji for love on his forhead. And there was that one scene where he tried to cut himself, but that was before his trip to crazy town....
I just opened a thread for this shit, not ten minutes ago.
~NGD OMEGA~ said:
elric said:
~NGD OMEGA~ said:
Actually I give Gaara a similar right, though he took emo to a whole nother level.
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A few things.
Let's see him strategize his lazy ass out of a fight with someone like Lee. He'll be dead before
he hits the ground.
All vessels get that right in my book. Others have have the right by circumstance (Anko, Zabuza,
Haku), but that's different than self-delusion (Sasuke, Neji). And none of them can hold a candle
to people who have the right, but refuse to exercise it (Naruto, Lee). That's a whole different
breed of awsome right there. A kind of 'Cheerful Badass', if such a thing is possible.
:blink: :snigger:
Nice.
He could be emo, but unable to cut himself because of the sand. <_<
Sorry, Vesvius. :sweat:
We'll be outa here in a jiffy.
How's the Thirteen Clans of Konoha coming? Much progress, or writers block?
A few things.
He's able to strategize very intricate plans down the the letter that usually always work
he hits the ground.
Actually I give Gaara a similar right,
Haku), but that's different than self-delusion (Sasuke, Neji). And none of them can hold a candle
to people who have the right, but refuse to exercise it (Naruto, Lee). That's a whole different
breed of awsome right there. A kind of 'Cheerful Badass', if such a thing is possible.
Gaara isn't Emo. He hurts others to feel alive. That makes him an anti-Emo. Lock him in a room full of Emo's and watch as he performs community service.
Nice.
He could be emo, but unable to cut himself because of the sand. <_<
? PLEASE, either do this in PM, or a new topic. Everytime someone posts here, I keep thinking a new story (that's good) has been updated.
Please?
Please?
We'll be outa here in a jiffy.
How's the Thirteen Clans of Konoha coming? Much progress, or writers block?
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Touche with Lee, though I guess he'd pull something.
Sasuke and Neji have a right to be emo, but in Neji's case he kinda went overkill on it. Sasuke, remember, had his entire family killed, and watched it over and over before his eyes nonstop for 72 hours (And it happened again when he met his brother again). That's when he was a kid, and kid's minds are much more fragile than adults. I think that does kinda give him the right to be mentally unstable.
We were discussing a different topic than 9TS.
Lord Raine said:
Let's see him strategize his lazy ass out of a fight with someone like Lee. He'll be dead before
he hits the ground.
All vessels get that right in my book. Others have have the right by circumstance (Anko, Zabuza,
Haku), but that's different than self-delusion (Sasuke, Neji). And none of them can hold a candle
to people who have the right, but refuse to exercise it (Naruto, Lee). That's a whole different
breed of awsome right there. A kind of 'Cheerful Badass', if such a thing is possible.
he hits the ground.
Actually I give Gaara a similar right,
Haku), but that's different than self-delusion (Sasuke, Neji). And none of them can hold a candle
to people who have the right, but refuse to exercise it (Naruto, Lee). That's a whole different
breed of awsome right there. A kind of 'Cheerful Badass', if such a thing is possible.
Sasuke and Neji have a right to be emo, but in Neji's case he kinda went overkill on it. Sasuke, remember, had his entire family killed, and watched it over and over before his eyes nonstop for 72 hours (And it happened again when he met his brother again). That's when he was a kid, and kid's minds are much more fragile than adults. I think that does kinda give him the right to be mentally unstable.
I just opened a thread for this shit, not ten minutes ago.