Naruto New Divergence Points

[goldenarms]

Wild divergence point for ya: the Battle at the Birdge in Land of Wave

Zabuza won. Haku lived. Kakashi, Tazuna, Gato... they're all dead -- one for getting in the way of his job, one for being his job, and one for trying to not pay him for doing his job. Zabuza and Haku escape, to live to fight (and plot) another day.

Team Seven, alive only by the grace and kindness of Haku in putting them into near-death states.

And yes, Sasuke still has his eyes.

 

[Antimatter]

Wild divergence point for ya: the Battle at the Birdge in Land of Wave

Zabuza won. Haku lived. Kakashi, Tazuna, Gato... they're all dead -- one for getting in the way of his job, one for being his job, and one for trying to not pay him for doing his job. Zabuza and Haku escape, to live to fight (and plot) another day.

Team Seven, alive only by the grace and kindness of Haku in putting them into near-death states.

And yes, Sasuke still has his eyes.

No kakashi means no chunin exam entry, which means no summoning for Naruto or Chidori for Sasuke, unless something else happens that gets them one or the other.

Who would take over as their teacher? What happens to missions that Kakashi would have gone on pre and post time skip?

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Sasuke would likely fall even easier in the hands of Orochimaru... with a big chance of getting the Mangekyo, as well, because a cold-blooded killer like Zabuza did kill Kakashi, and I-Kill-My-Heart Haku owned them hard.

So, yeah, it's likely Sasuke would see only the beneficts of getting the Mangekyo.

otherwise, there is a chance of him going full paranoid on keeping Sakura and Naruto safe, but in this scenario I find it unlikely.

 

[Dunstan]

Sasuke would likely fall even easier in the hands of Orochimaru... with a big chance of getting the Mangekyo, as well, because a cold-blooded killer like Zabuza did kill Kakashi, and I-Kill-My-Heart Haku owned them hard.

So, yeah, it's likely Sasuke would see only the beneficts of getting the Mangekyo.

otherwise, there is a chance of him going full paranoid on keeping Sakura and Naruto safe, but in this scenario I find it unlikely.

That's a good one, What if Haku "killed" Naruto in front of Sasuke? :mmm:

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Sasuke would likely fall even easier in the hands of Orochimaru... with a big chance of getting the Mangekyo, as well, because a cold-blooded killer like Zabuza did kill Kakashi, and I-Kill-My-Heart Haku owned them hard.

So, yeah, it's likely Sasuke would see only the beneficts of getting the Mangekyo.

otherwise, there is a chance of him going full paranoid on keeping Sakura and Naruto safe, but in this scenario I find it unlikely.

That's a good one, What if Haku "killed" Naruto in front of Sasuke? :mmm:

Sasuke might develop the Mangekyo on the spot. Which would be actually interesting, as it would force Sasuke to doubt everything Itachi told him, given he got the Mangekyo without killing Naruto...

 

[Dunstan]

Sasuke would likely fall even easier in the hands of Orochimaru... with a big chance of getting the Mangekyo, as well, because a cold-blooded killer like Zabuza did kill Kakashi, and I-Kill-My-Heart Haku owned them hard.

So, yeah, it's likely Sasuke would see only the beneficts of getting the Mangekyo.

otherwise, there is a chance of him going full paranoid on keeping Sakura and Naruto safe, but in this scenario I find it unlikely.

That's a good one, What if Haku "killed" Naruto in front of Sasuke? :mmm:

Sasuke might develop the Mangekyo on the spot. Which would be actually interesting, as it would force Sasuke to doubt everything Itachi told him, given he got the Mangekyo without killing Naruto...

Best part is, Sasuke was up and about by the end of the fight, and Naruto heals a lot faster then him, so he might even be able to get up before Sasuke kills Haku... If the Mangekyo's chakra cost doesn't just knock Sasuke right out. :snigger:

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Sasuke would likely fall even easier in the hands of Orochimaru... with a big chance of getting the Mangekyo, as well, because a cold-blooded killer like Zabuza did kill Kakashi, and I-Kill-My-Heart Haku owned them hard.

So, yeah, it's likely Sasuke would see only the beneficts of getting the Mangekyo.

otherwise, there is a chance of him going full paranoid on keeping Sakura and Naruto safe, but in this scenario I find it unlikely.

That's a good one, What if Haku "killed" Naruto in front of Sasuke? :mmm:

Sasuke might develop the Mangekyo on the spot. Which would be actually interesting, as it would force Sasuke to doubt everything Itachi told him, given he got the Mangekyo without killing Naruto...

Best part is, Sasuke was up and about by the end of the fight, and Naruto heals a lot faster then him, so he might even be able to get up before Sasuke kills Haku... If the Mangekyo's chakra cost doesn't just knock Sasuke right out. :snigger:

Sasuke got back quite fast once Sakura did remove the senbon, so I'd say Naruto wouldn't get back online until they are removed as well.

Sasuke is most likely going to KO himself after a Mangekyo shot, given he was already quite tired.

 

[zeebee1]

Assuming those jutsu have a set cost then he'd likely die if he used a single jutsu.

 

[Dunstan]

Sasuke got back quite fast once Sakura did remove the senbon, so I'd say Naruto wouldn't get back online until they are removed as well.

It's possible enough for his healing to push them out given a little time(I mean, it did just that when he called on Kurama), that I wouldn't really have a problem if a writer had it do so.

 

[zeebee1]

He's unconscious in this scenario. He won't be calling on anything.

 

[Leonite]

If Naruto is "killed", then Sasuke will prove to Haku than even his/her chakra enhanced mirrors will melt under Amaterasu.

(And before anyone yells "But you can't tell that Sasuke would have that", Itachi's MS ability seemed to be Tsukiyomi of the bat and he was most skilled in it, Obito has Kamui, Sasuke is most skilled in Amaterasu, so it's his.)

 

[Dunstan]

He's unconscious in this scenario. He won't be calling on anything.

Kurama was healing him before he called on him, not nearly as fast, but I never said it was, just that he could get back up before the fights over.

If Naruto is "killed", then Sasuke will prove to Haku than even his/her chakra enhanced mirrors will melt under Amaterasu.

(And before anyone yells "But you can't tell that Sasuke would have that", Itachi's MS ability seemed to be Tsukiyomi of the bat and he was most skilled in it, Obito has Kamui, Sasuke is most skilled in Amaterasu, so it's his.)

Yeah, but... If he uses Amaterasu, he'll die. :mellow:

Kakashi passed out after just a few moments of Mangekyo being active, and while Sasuke might have more chakra, he would also already be quite exhausted.

 

[Knyght]

Or he'd just fall unconscious from chakra exhaustion.

 

[Antimatter]

He's unconscious in this scenario. He won't be calling on anything.

Kurama was healing him before he called on him, not nearly as fast, but I never said it was, just that he could get back up before the fights over.

If Naruto is "killed", then Sasuke will prove to Haku than even his/her chakra enhanced mirrors will melt under Amaterasu.

(And before anyone yells "But you can't tell that Sasuke would have that", Itachi's MS ability seemed to be Tsukiyomi of the bat and he was most skilled in it, Obito has Kamui, Sasuke is most skilled in Amaterasu, so it's his.)

Yeah, but... If he uses Amaterasu, he'll die. :mellow:

Kakashi passed out after just a few moments of Mangekyo being active, and while Sasuke might have more chakra, he would also already be quite exhausted.

It's also not Kakashi's original eye. Obito didn't seem to have any issues.

 

[Steel]

Idea: Naruto notices/trains the superstrength he used in the Forest of Death fight.

 

[Dunstan]

It's also not Kakashi's original eye.? Obito didn't seem to have any issues.

But half of Obito's body is from a Zetsu, so he has the First's high chakra DNA, and on top of that he's running around in another Zetsu that said it's stronger then him.

So what Obito can do doesn't say anything about what Sasuke can do.

And as for the "Or he'd just fall unconscious from chakra exhaustion.".... :huh.: It really seems to be a 50/50 kind of thing.

 

[Antimatter]

At this point, it's hard to make any sense out of chakra exhaustion, given the massive power creep in the series. Some of the attack they use now would have killed you on the spot pre time skip.

 

[zeebee1]

If he fell unconscious from chakra exhaustion it would likely happen before he finished the jutsu.

 

[Prince Charon]

Idea: Naruto notices/trains the superstrength he used in the Forest of Death fight.

Has potential. I wonder if Tsunade might help him with that, or at least inspire new techniques.

 

[Dunstan]

Idea: Naruto notices/trains the superstrength he used in the Forest of Death fight.

Has potential. I wonder if Tsunade might help him with that, or at least inspire new techniques.

the main problem with it, is that Sasuke KO'd a bear the size of an apartment building with one kick just a few days later.... " :blink: :hmm: " Causing, but canon. :sisi:

Aka: That that counts as "superstrength" to a ninja is rather debatable, more so as wasn't he using Kurama's chakra at the time?

 

[Knyght]

Yeah, he was. So it's not much of a divergent point when it simply leads to him learning to use Kurama's chakra as per canon.

It would have to be more like Naruto's notices he hit that snake with far more strength than usual, then tries to figure out a way to do it himself all the time. Perhaps he starts experimenting in the forest (which probably wouldn't do much since his chakra's fucked up) or asks Kakashi about any unusually strong shinobi.

 

[goldenarms]

Idea: Naruto notices/trains the superstrength he used in the Forest of Death fight.

Has potential. I wonder if Tsunade might help him with that, or at least inspire new techniques.

the main problem with it, is that Sasuke KO'd a bear the size of an apartment building with one kick just a few days later.... " :blink: :hmm: " Causing, but canon. :sisi:

Aka: That that counts as "superstrength" to a ninja is rather debatable, more so as wasn't he using Kurama's chakra at the time?

That it was.

Also, Sasuke KOed a bear with what apparently was a family taijutsu technique; he used it on Kakashi during the Bell Test, mostly to keep him and his arms occupied while he went for a bell. Almost worked, too.

 

[Knyght]

Idea: Naruto notices/trains the superstrength he used in the Forest of Death fight.

Has potential. I wonder if Tsunade might help him with that, or at least inspire new techniques.

the main problem with it, is that Sasuke KO'd a bear the size of an apartment building with one kick just a few days later.... " :blink: :hmm: " Causing, but canon. :sisi:

Aka: That that counts as "superstrength" to a ninja is rather debatable, more so as wasn't he using Kurama's chakra at the time?

That it was.

Also, Sasuke KOed a bear with what apparently was a family taijutsu technique; he used it on Kakashi during the Bell Test, mostly to keep him and his arms occupied while he went for a bell. Almost worked, too.

Y'know, I was wondering what the hell you were talking about but there is a certain similarity between those attacks. I probably wouldn't consider them the same technique but it's possible the Lion Combo was an airborne version of it.

EDIT: Though going by his dialogue in the preliminaries, it might have been an original technique rather than a family one.

 

[goldenarms]

Idea: Naruto notices/trains the superstrength he used in the Forest of Death fight.

Has potential. I wonder if Tsunade might help him with that, or at least inspire new techniques.

the main problem with it, is that Sasuke KO'd a bear the size of an apartment building with one kick just a few days later.... " :blink: :hmm: " Causing, but canon. :sisi:

Aka: That that counts as "superstrength" to a ninja is rather debatable, more so as wasn't he using Kurama's chakra at the time?

That it was.

Also, Sasuke KOed a bear with what apparently was a family taijutsu technique; he used it on Kakashi during the Bell Test, mostly to keep him and his arms occupied while he went for a bell. Almost worked, too.

Y'know, I was wondering what the hell you were talking about but there is a certain similarity between those attacks. I probably wouldn't consider them the same technique but it's possible the Lion Combo was an airborne version of it.

EDIT: Though going by his dialogue in the preliminaries, it might have been an original technique rather than a family one.

That's entirely possible, seeing how it works. I have trouble seeing a grown-up actually doing it when they have more options at their behest. A child, on the other hand...

 

[Dunstan]

As the other thread reminded me, Itachi capture attempt on Naruto in part 1 was to remind Danzo that Itachi still lived, so that Sasuke wouldn't have an "accident"...

So what if it was to late?

Not saying "what if Sasuke died"(though that would be a good one), but whether the "accident" works or not, what would happen with team 7?

Hell, if it really went bad for Danzo, his jig might just be up. :wub: