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Yup! That's the skill that he doesn't have anymore and I'm too lazy to fuse it to him.
I'll make your bad thoughts into extremely evil ones then.
I take it that you don't live in San Francisco, California now right?
Last time I was there (twelve hours ago), there were still three out of fifteen unsold copies left from my local Gamestop.
Just saw Elizabeth's apparently last dating request. Anyone else think that she and Minato/main character did what I might think that they just did?
Edit: Ye load, I love how they have the fact that you can still date the girls after 'finishing' with them. Calling the dates for them as "special evenings" has my perverted mind going all over the place. :rofl:
I'll make your bad thoughts into extremely evil ones then.
I take it that you don't live in San Francisco, California now right?
Last time I was there (twelve hours ago), there were still three out of fifteen unsold copies left from my local Gamestop.
Just saw Elizabeth's apparently last dating request. Anyone else think that she and Minato/main character did what I might think that they just did?
Edit: Ye load, I love how they have the fact that you can still date the girls after 'finishing' with them. Calling the dates for them as "special evenings" has my perverted mind going all over the place. :rofl:
Makes me very fucking sad...especially since my Lucy had no weakness since I had gotten Absorb Ice on him, max stats @ lvl 99...
I'm on 5/2 and I only have 120.000 yen...no way I can buy any of my higher leveled persona, especially since Lucifer doesn't have any of the skills I fused onto him nor the stat boosts yet still costs 1.000.000 something.
I'm on 5/2 and I only have 120.000 yen...no way I can buy any of my higher leveled persona, especially since Lucifer doesn't have any of the skills I fused onto him nor the stat boosts yet still costs 1.000.000 something.
Hard Mode love to make our wallet bleed, isn't it?
For a reason for the jump in the past, I've imagined something. We know that Shadows were researched for trying to manipulate time or something, right? And we know shadows aren't stupids. What if the reason for the time travel was for making Minato fails to stop the End? If they know he'll try to change things and that he'll have even lower chances of stopping it in the end, then sending him back in the past actually helps them.
As for Ikutsuki, there's no real way he could lure him somewhere to eliminate him without someone else knowing about it. The only way to expose him would be clear evidence, and that would be getting the real video. And even if he gets it, he also needs a motive to explain why he had a feeling that he was a traitor.
What can help him is Aigis. He knows what happened to him the day Death was sealed in him. So he can also try to make Aigis remembers it. Also, Aigis could also be another option for hacking instead of Jin.
And she should be easier to convince than the rest of SEES that something may be wrong with the way they take care of the 12 Shadows. Because, let's face it, he'll have no choice but have to kill some of them. But what he wants is to avoid killing all 12 of them.
For a reason for the jump in the past, I've imagined something. We know that Shadows were researched for trying to manipulate time or something, right? And we know shadows aren't stupids. What if the reason for the time travel was for making Minato fails to stop the End? If they know he'll try to change things and that he'll have even lower chances of stopping it in the end, then sending him back in the past actually helps them.
As for Ikutsuki, there's no real way he could lure him somewhere to eliminate him without someone else knowing about it. The only way to expose him would be clear evidence, and that would be getting the real video. And even if he gets it, he also needs a motive to explain why he had a feeling that he was a traitor.
What can help him is Aigis. He knows what happened to him the day Death was sealed in him. So he can also try to make Aigis remembers it. Also, Aigis could also be another option for hacking instead of Jin.
And she should be easier to convince than the rest of SEES that something may be wrong with the way they take care of the 12 Shadows. Because, let's face it, he'll have no choice but have to kill some of them. But what he wants is to avoid killing all 12 of them.
Err... That would just makes anyone who know uneasy around him.
I mean, sure, they could believe him. But how would you feel if you meet someone that know more about yourself than you would prefer at the time?
That will solve problems, but it will make them distant towards Minato.
On another note, is anyone else gonna try this? The only thing that resulted from this was a small prologue.
I mean, sure, they could believe him. But how would you feel if you meet someone that know more about yourself than you would prefer at the time?
That will solve problems, but it will make them distant towards Minato.
On another note, is anyone else gonna try this? The only thing that resulted from this was a small prologue.
I'm very, very tempted.
Before I even think about this though, I need to do two things: finish P3 and maybe The Answer.
Then I'd have to ask what Minato would try and change, as well as what he'd actually be able to affect.
Afterall, he'd want to keep Shinjiro alive, but would keeping him from getting shot save his life?
And what about Takaya?
All things we need to talk about...
Before I even think about this though, I need to do two things: finish P3 and maybe The Answer.
Then I'd have to ask what Minato would try and change, as well as what he'd actually be able to affect.
Afterall, he'd want to keep Shinjiro alive, but would keeping him from getting shot save his life?
And what about Takaya?
All things we need to talk about...
Pharos I think he could trust. That might change a helluva lot right there.
As for explaining the Velvet Room, I tried that. They thought I was on something.
As for changes... I think he should start subtly. He does know them better than they know themselves, so he could lead them to some conclusions a little earlier and easier than the way they reached them in canon. The one major change he might make is finding a way to swing by Yakushima on the weekend. As you'll remember, Aigis woke up on her own due to his proximity. If anyone, she would help him with no questions asked, and he could probably find someone to remove whatever remote-control unit Ikutsuki stuck in her head. Or craft a signal-jammer if it's buried too deep.
If he did it right, the punny bastard wouldn't even realize she'd been gone, and depending on how often they check on Aigis/how easy they are to convince that they don't need to ask where she's been, she could accomplish a lot while Minato was staying in the spotlight.
He could also encounter Takaya and at the very least discuss philosophy with him. Might change his mind. He could even inform Takaya of what was really going on before he could decide on his own that the end of the world was a good idea: they could agree to face each-other as equals on the battlefield, or Takaya could help him let the big ones escape, maybe even cage them somehow so they aren't a constant nuisance. Remember, at first Strega was content to use the Dark Hour to do whatever the hell they wanted. Not opposing them to start with and keeping Nyx at bay, they might be content to keep on as they are. As for Chidori, Takaya could keep her and Jin in the dark much like Minato is doing his comrades, maybe even re-create the events that lead to Chidori... recovering from her illness, or...
Oooh, Takaya could be useful, after a certain point, as a source of false information. Ikutsuki's idea that killing all the shadows would dispose of the Dark Hour was only a theory... an opposing theory from another (faked) source, or even a hint of truth, could turn things around on the punny bastard. This also gives them a lead-in to research on reversing the effects of the pills.
The reason I'm posting in this thread is that I prepared a conversation that would take place at a certain point, just a little something I found amusing. Happens on... 1/1.
~~~
"Is it true that you're not wearing any underwear under those kimonos?" Ken asked in the naive manner of the young.
"What?" Mitsuru asked, as the air seemed to grow a bit colder, "Where did you hear that?"
"Junpei said that girls don't wear any underwear when they wear kimonos." Ken replied, blatantly ignoring the panicked looks Junpei was trying to send him.
"Did he!?" Yukari exclaimed, turning to let Stupei have his fully deserved verbal beating.
"Actually, it's not an unreasonable assumption." Minato said plainly. You could almost hear the record-skip noise as everyone's thoughts ground to a halt.
"How do you figure that?" Mitsuru asked with a dangerous tone.
"It is the traditional way to wear a kimono." He explained simply, "And each of you do have possible motivations to lead you to do so."
"What!?" Yukari exclaimed, "What possible motivation could we have to go 'commando'?"
"Well, you are the adventurous one, Yukari, and you seem to enjoy looking sexy." Before she could explode with denials, he continued, "I wouldn't say you'd go that far, at least, not until after the Cultural Festival incident. It was pretty obvious you did actually want to wear the maid outfit, and were faking disdain to throw off any suspicion that you were actually looking forward to it." At least, it was obvious after he'd viewed the recording in his last life.
"That... that's not true!" Yukari exclaimed, reddening and looking a little frightened.
"Isn't it? What do you think, Fuuka?" Fuuka shrunk further away from the group, really not liking the way this conversation was going. She didn't want to betray Yukari, nor did she want to reveal her own involvement with the maid outfit, but she didn't want to lie, and somehow knew that he already knew and was just getting her to confirm it. Fortunately, he didn't press, and moved on past Yukari's blushing and stuttering.
"Mitsuru-senpai I believe was raised to respect tradition, correct?"
"You're treading on thin ice."
"But you also rebel against your sheltered upbringing in several ways. Respecting a traditional mode of dress on top of rebelling against what some would consider common decency would be an attractive idea for you, wouldn't it?"
"No." Mitsuru replied through her teeth, cheeks becoming rosier.
"And Fuuka," The still somewhat shy girl flinched, hoping that this discussion wouldn't include her, "You were very shy before you joined us, but now you've made efforts to become very outgoing. Going against your old self, doing something so outrageous... isn't it an interesting thought?" Fuuka was doing a fair impression of a fire hydrant.
"Interesting... observations." Mitsuru said, cheeks still burning, "But they are nothing more than theories... shaky ones at that."
"But people will believe what they want to, and, well, we are teenage males, so you must excuse us for believing the most perverted option."
"I'll... give you that. Just don't let Junpei corrupt Ken with any more of these ideas, got it?"
"I shall be ever vigilant." Minato gave her a slightly mocking bow, smiling slightly. As the girls turned to walk away, he said something that startled the two awestruck men around him, "The blush reveals all." Junpei looked confused for a moment, then gasped, looking incredulously at Minato. Akihiko pondered for a moment, and then put a hand to his nose to stem the bloodflow.
"Dude... You are a God Among Men." Junpei stated.
~~~
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As for explaining the Velvet Room, I tried that. They thought I was on something.
As for changes... I think he should start subtly. He does know them better than they know themselves, so he could lead them to some conclusions a little earlier and easier than the way they reached them in canon. The one major change he might make is finding a way to swing by Yakushima on the weekend. As you'll remember, Aigis woke up on her own due to his proximity. If anyone, she would help him with no questions asked, and he could probably find someone to remove whatever remote-control unit Ikutsuki stuck in her head. Or craft a signal-jammer if it's buried too deep.
If he did it right, the punny bastard wouldn't even realize she'd been gone, and depending on how often they check on Aigis/how easy they are to convince that they don't need to ask where she's been, she could accomplish a lot while Minato was staying in the spotlight.
He could also encounter Takaya and at the very least discuss philosophy with him. Might change his mind. He could even inform Takaya of what was really going on before he could decide on his own that the end of the world was a good idea: they could agree to face each-other as equals on the battlefield, or Takaya could help him let the big ones escape, maybe even cage them somehow so they aren't a constant nuisance. Remember, at first Strega was content to use the Dark Hour to do whatever the hell they wanted. Not opposing them to start with and keeping Nyx at bay, they might be content to keep on as they are. As for Chidori, Takaya could keep her and Jin in the dark much like Minato is doing his comrades, maybe even re-create the events that lead to Chidori... recovering from her illness, or...
Oooh, Takaya could be useful, after a certain point, as a source of false information. Ikutsuki's idea that killing all the shadows would dispose of the Dark Hour was only a theory... an opposing theory from another (faked) source, or even a hint of truth, could turn things around on the punny bastard. This also gives them a lead-in to research on reversing the effects of the pills.
The reason I'm posting in this thread is that I prepared a conversation that would take place at a certain point, just a little something I found amusing. Happens on... 1/1.
~~~
"Is it true that you're not wearing any underwear under those kimonos?" Ken asked in the naive manner of the young.
"What?" Mitsuru asked, as the air seemed to grow a bit colder, "Where did you hear that?"
"Junpei said that girls don't wear any underwear when they wear kimonos." Ken replied, blatantly ignoring the panicked looks Junpei was trying to send him.
"Did he!?" Yukari exclaimed, turning to let Stupei have his fully deserved verbal beating.
"Actually, it's not an unreasonable assumption." Minato said plainly. You could almost hear the record-skip noise as everyone's thoughts ground to a halt.
"How do you figure that?" Mitsuru asked with a dangerous tone.
"It is the traditional way to wear a kimono." He explained simply, "And each of you do have possible motivations to lead you to do so."
"What!?" Yukari exclaimed, "What possible motivation could we have to go 'commando'?"
"Well, you are the adventurous one, Yukari, and you seem to enjoy looking sexy." Before she could explode with denials, he continued, "I wouldn't say you'd go that far, at least, not until after the Cultural Festival incident. It was pretty obvious you did actually want to wear the maid outfit, and were faking disdain to throw off any suspicion that you were actually looking forward to it." At least, it was obvious after he'd viewed the recording in his last life.
"That... that's not true!" Yukari exclaimed, reddening and looking a little frightened.
"Isn't it? What do you think, Fuuka?" Fuuka shrunk further away from the group, really not liking the way this conversation was going. She didn't want to betray Yukari, nor did she want to reveal her own involvement with the maid outfit, but she didn't want to lie, and somehow knew that he already knew and was just getting her to confirm it. Fortunately, he didn't press, and moved on past Yukari's blushing and stuttering.
"Mitsuru-senpai I believe was raised to respect tradition, correct?"
"You're treading on thin ice."
"But you also rebel against your sheltered upbringing in several ways. Respecting a traditional mode of dress on top of rebelling against what some would consider common decency would be an attractive idea for you, wouldn't it?"
"No." Mitsuru replied through her teeth, cheeks becoming rosier.
"And Fuuka," The still somewhat shy girl flinched, hoping that this discussion wouldn't include her, "You were very shy before you joined us, but now you've made efforts to become very outgoing. Going against your old self, doing something so outrageous... isn't it an interesting thought?" Fuuka was doing a fair impression of a fire hydrant.
"Interesting... observations." Mitsuru said, cheeks still burning, "But they are nothing more than theories... shaky ones at that."
"But people will believe what they want to, and, well, we are teenage males, so you must excuse us for believing the most perverted option."
"I'll... give you that. Just don't let Junpei corrupt Ken with any more of these ideas, got it?"
"I shall be ever vigilant." Minato gave her a slightly mocking bow, smiling slightly. As the girls turned to walk away, he said something that startled the two awestruck men around him, "The blush reveals all." Junpei looked confused for a moment, then gasped, looking incredulously at Minato. Akihiko pondered for a moment, and then put a hand to his nose to stem the bloodflow.
"Dude... You are a God Among Men." Junpei stated.
~~~
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Wow, nice one Siggy.
I was planning to take this up in about a month or two (time needed to finish the game), but... wow. One thing though: this is Minato from the original P3 going to the FES world.
No recordings in the original.
Hey, after I get a bit farther in the game, I'll send you a PM to bounce ideas off you.
Wow, nice one Siggy.
I was planning to take this up in about a month or two (time needed to finish the game), but... wow. One thing though: this is Minato from the original P3 going to the FES world.
No recordings in the original.
Hey, after I get a bit farther in the game, I'll send you a PM to bounce ideas off you.
Ahaha, that scene was gold. A lot of this could very easily be played for laughs.
Takaya's really hard to pin down. The guy's a total loony toon who's never comfortable unless he's in a superior position to others, and tends to retreat when he isn't while being as snide as possible. If backed into a corner, he becomes furious and unhinged. There's a chance that he could try to initiate the Fall as part of his "Plan: Take them All With Me" if he had knowledge of it.
It could be possible to win over Jin, though, if he was given something(decidedly less insane) to live for besides Takaya. Junpei's still the best bet with Chidori, obviously.
Yeah, my utter hatred of Takaya doesn't show up here at all.
Takaya's really hard to pin down. The guy's a total loony toon who's never comfortable unless he's in a superior position to others, and tends to retreat when he isn't while being as snide as possible. If backed into a corner, he becomes furious and unhinged. There's a chance that he could try to initiate the Fall as part of his "Plan: Take them All With Me" if he had knowledge of it.
It could be possible to win over Jin, though, if he was given something(decidedly less insane) to live for besides Takaya. Junpei's still the best bet with Chidori, obviously.
Yeah, my utter hatred of Takaya doesn't show up here at all.
Heh. Nice to see people attempt a Persona 3 fic. After playing the game, I'm all for fics that, change things here and there. Like not have the same ending as the game (which, while I won't spoil it... or not. I mean, um, isn't this thread basically full of spoilers? Kind of has to if you want suggestions. 
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I see most of the points either have been made, or ones that I haven't thought about, but does make sense. There are a lot of issues for Minato if he desires to 'change' his (and the world's) future.
I'm still not sure why he shouldn't be leader. I mean yeah, being a part of SEES itself could be a burden to, helping stop The Fall. At least early one, he would be watched carefully. But as someone else noted, he did seem to have a lot of freedom. Meeting a kid, karaoke, drinking coffee, he did seem to have a lot of freedom. Now, you could argue that he was being watched anyways (who knows how powerful Ikutsuki really was), but at least on the surface (if you choose not to go that deep), he had plenty of places put whatever plan Minato has in motion. Of course there are 'problems' when coming up with a plan, mentioned before, and mentioned (repeated?) in the following thoughts.
While we now know that stopping the 12 shadows is the wrong thing to do, at least early one, it's not wise to let them 'live' either. After all, what about all those Apathy Syndrome cases? And as mentioned before, the first moon boss you encounter, if you let that one live, Minato, Yukari, Junpei, and the unknowing transmogrified passengers would be dead. While capture is one idea, problem is, you'll have to convince the others that you should capture, and not kill. And of course, the main issue to that would be Ikutsuki. Even if Minato knows he's a bastard, the others won't hold the same belief until presented with hard evidence that he can't be trusted.
The evidence part is where it gets tricky, and yeah, been touched on before as 'how can Minato get evidence'? First, what can Minato do? Break into the Chairman's room? Not going to happen if the dorm is as 'wired' as we think it is. Second, the Chairman had, for the most part, built a perfect... 'persona' as a behind the scenes leader, researcher, and overall go to guy for SEES. Until the "ZOMG PLOT TWIZTZZZ!!!!" scene, no one would have suspected he wanted the world to end, instead of trying to save it. The only way Minato could prevent this would be, either make Ikutsuki as someone not to be trusted, or, somehow bring doubt about Ikutsuki's true intentions.
Going to Jin or Aigis was suggested. There are problems with both ideas. Though I could think of a way Jin could be 'contacted' with you could say. Aigis, the main problem is that Ikutsuki pretty much has control over here. Until her 'emotional' side took over, there was nothing Aigis can do to stop him. Certainly not turn against him until it is too late. Not to mention, it'll be a while before Aigis becomes 'available' to help.
Jin? Well the issue is why would he trust a member of SEES, or even how Minato can contact him. One way, the revenge website. It might take some 'technical know how' for Minato to discover that Jin was a part of it, but it's not impossible. And this is where I think it would actually be beneficial for Minato to be leader of SEES. Early on, Strega simply followed them and tried to assess if they are a threat or not. What if, Minato, as 'leader' of SEES, contacted them first, gave them the reason why SEES is doing what they are doing. And, being leader, has doubts. Instead of simply going 'we should capture the 12 shadows, instead of destroy them', he could go 'you want to save the Dark Hour? I do too. However, just because I'm 'leader' doesn't mean I can do everything. I can't stop them from replacing me or killing them unless...' and this is where Minato could get Jin to help them uncover the truth about the 12 shadows.
Of course this has other issues too. Like, if Jin finds out the truth, will Jin continue to work with Minato? Or turn against him and actually encourage them to kill the 12? Could be an interesting avenue to explore.
Another idea brought up, if he simply went "Hey! I'm from the future and this happened...", well, besides that fact that if Ikutsuki found out, he'd have him killed, it would also, as mentioned before, potentially alienate him from his dorm mates. Yeah, they could believe in him (especially if he tells them stuff only they would know), but that won't make them friends with them. I mean, just imagine if someone from the future went back and told your life story. Besides wondering how they knew (immediately bringing up privacy issues) trust issues are also brought up. I mean, as far as they know, he's just a stranger. A stranger that knows too much. Is he using that info to really benefit the future? Or is he using it for nefarious reasons? Information can be bad in the wrong the hands. Besides, part of the idea is that this fic would have a happier ending right? Preferably with one of the girls right?
I'm sure they are more issues that need to be dealt with. But I'll leave them for someone else to talk about, or, until I finish the game. I spoiled myself with the ending. But I haven't finished the game yet either.
).I see most of the points either have been made, or ones that I haven't thought about, but does make sense. There are a lot of issues for Minato if he desires to 'change' his (and the world's) future.
I'm still not sure why he shouldn't be leader. I mean yeah, being a part of SEES itself could be a burden to, helping stop The Fall. At least early one, he would be watched carefully. But as someone else noted, he did seem to have a lot of freedom. Meeting a kid, karaoke, drinking coffee, he did seem to have a lot of freedom. Now, you could argue that he was being watched anyways (who knows how powerful Ikutsuki really was), but at least on the surface (if you choose not to go that deep), he had plenty of places put whatever plan Minato has in motion. Of course there are 'problems' when coming up with a plan, mentioned before, and mentioned (repeated?) in the following thoughts.
While we now know that stopping the 12 shadows is the wrong thing to do, at least early one, it's not wise to let them 'live' either. After all, what about all those Apathy Syndrome cases? And as mentioned before, the first moon boss you encounter, if you let that one live, Minato, Yukari, Junpei, and the unknowing transmogrified passengers would be dead. While capture is one idea, problem is, you'll have to convince the others that you should capture, and not kill. And of course, the main issue to that would be Ikutsuki. Even if Minato knows he's a bastard, the others won't hold the same belief until presented with hard evidence that he can't be trusted.
The evidence part is where it gets tricky, and yeah, been touched on before as 'how can Minato get evidence'? First, what can Minato do? Break into the Chairman's room? Not going to happen if the dorm is as 'wired' as we think it is. Second, the Chairman had, for the most part, built a perfect... 'persona' as a behind the scenes leader, researcher, and overall go to guy for SEES. Until the "ZOMG PLOT TWIZTZZZ!!!!" scene, no one would have suspected he wanted the world to end, instead of trying to save it. The only way Minato could prevent this would be, either make Ikutsuki as someone not to be trusted, or, somehow bring doubt about Ikutsuki's true intentions.
Going to Jin or Aigis was suggested. There are problems with both ideas. Though I could think of a way Jin could be 'contacted' with you could say. Aigis, the main problem is that Ikutsuki pretty much has control over here. Until her 'emotional' side took over, there was nothing Aigis can do to stop him. Certainly not turn against him until it is too late. Not to mention, it'll be a while before Aigis becomes 'available' to help.
Jin? Well the issue is why would he trust a member of SEES, or even how Minato can contact him. One way, the revenge website. It might take some 'technical know how' for Minato to discover that Jin was a part of it, but it's not impossible. And this is where I think it would actually be beneficial for Minato to be leader of SEES. Early on, Strega simply followed them and tried to assess if they are a threat or not. What if, Minato, as 'leader' of SEES, contacted them first, gave them the reason why SEES is doing what they are doing. And, being leader, has doubts. Instead of simply going 'we should capture the 12 shadows, instead of destroy them', he could go 'you want to save the Dark Hour? I do too. However, just because I'm 'leader' doesn't mean I can do everything. I can't stop them from replacing me or killing them unless...' and this is where Minato could get Jin to help them uncover the truth about the 12 shadows.
Of course this has other issues too. Like, if Jin finds out the truth, will Jin continue to work with Minato? Or turn against him and actually encourage them to kill the 12? Could be an interesting avenue to explore.
Another idea brought up, if he simply went "Hey! I'm from the future and this happened...", well, besides that fact that if Ikutsuki found out, he'd have him killed, it would also, as mentioned before, potentially alienate him from his dorm mates. Yeah, they could believe in him (especially if he tells them stuff only they would know), but that won't make them friends with them. I mean, just imagine if someone from the future went back and told your life story. Besides wondering how they knew (immediately bringing up privacy issues) trust issues are also brought up. I mean, as far as they know, he's just a stranger. A stranger that knows too much. Is he using that info to really benefit the future? Or is he using it for nefarious reasons? Information can be bad in the wrong the hands. Besides, part of the idea is that this fic would have a happier ending right? Preferably with one of the girls right?
I'm sure they are more issues that need to be dealt with. But I'll leave them for someone else to talk about, or, until I finish the game.
I spoiled myself with the ending. But I haven't finished the game yet either.Sorry, didn't chance to pick up the original, just FES. Still, easy enough to edit: obvious enough after viewing the recording and looking back on it.
The trick with Ikutsuki is to bring up counter-theories that he can't find any way to argue with. Until you've done what he wants, he won't break his cover and turn against you. He might try to take you out discreetly, but after Minato grabs any of the max S. Link personae, that's not likely to happen. Especially if he's worked on it. Aigis vs. Odin is not a nice matchup, and she's pretty much all the muscle he can muster if you work your way into the team's trust so he can't turn them against you.
Not that you couldn't squash them all like bugs, given the right set of personae, but these are your friends. The best idea for Ikutsuki is to lure him into a trap: tell him that you know what his plan is, and set it up so that every member of SEES can hear when he confirms what you've said in the typical 'gloating evil dude' manner, since he's going to kill you anyhow. Everybody steps out and Ikutsuki is screwed.
I remember them doing that in some movie... somebody got the bad guy to admit his plan, then pretended that he'd just used his laptop to broadcast it to the police. When the police got there, the bad guy gloated about his plan and basically gave up. When the police changed where their guns were pointing, he realized that the laptop wasn't even connected to anything that could send such a signal. He'd just been had.
You could possibly manage the same thing with Ikutsuki. As for controlling Aigis... as I said, remove the control unit or install a signal-jammer, so the remote wouldn't work. As long as you could keep her out of his hands and anyone else that might change it back, she'd be safe to trust.
And just one SimmyC? You always have the Harem End option, and I think he'd at least go for Yukari and Mitsuru, since those two end up pretty close anyway.
*cough choke wheeze* :rofl:
An idea for letting an early shadow escape... The Lovers. Say you have a feeling that this one might try to run. Leave Akihiko and Junpei outside. After you kill The Hierophant, when The Lovers tries to screw with your head, give it a psychic punch in the face and tell it that if it doesn't want you to squish it like a bug, it'll do what you say. Since it does effect minds, it might be smart enough to listen. Of course, you're going to have to distract your allies to let it get away... and oh look, Yukari and Mitsuru are right there in the room with you, and without the power spread, they're a little more susceptible to the suggestion... especially since you've already started working your charms on them.
Tell The Lovers to keep pressing them for a few minutes, after that you should have things Well In Hand (assuming you got their S. Links to the max last time, it'll be reaaaal easy) and all it needs to do is distract those outside briefly and then get away. As long as it's out of Fuuka's reach before she realizes it's gone, it should be home free for a while.
Afterwards, Yukari and Mitsuru get the easy excuse that it was the shadow, despite the fact that most of it wasn't. You get the same excuse, and certainly aren't complaining. Fuuka's just brushing her teeth a lot, for some reason.
Also if you go with the harem option, is another amusing scene: getting stalked by one to five of them while you're showing Elizabeth around. Them all doing the 'poking heads around a corner' thing is funny.
And I'm not planning on doing this myself... yet, anyway. Any ideas are free if someone does start it.
The trick with Ikutsuki is to bring up counter-theories that he can't find any way to argue with. Until you've done what he wants, he won't break his cover and turn against you. He might try to take you out discreetly, but after Minato grabs any of the max S. Link personae, that's not likely to happen. Especially if he's worked on it. Aigis vs. Odin is not a nice matchup, and she's pretty much all the muscle he can muster if you work your way into the team's trust so he can't turn them against you.
Not that you couldn't squash them all like bugs, given the right set of personae, but these are your friends. The best idea for Ikutsuki is to lure him into a trap: tell him that you know what his plan is, and set it up so that every member of SEES can hear when he confirms what you've said in the typical 'gloating evil dude' manner, since he's going to kill you anyhow. Everybody steps out and Ikutsuki is screwed.
I remember them doing that in some movie... somebody got the bad guy to admit his plan, then pretended that he'd just used his laptop to broadcast it to the police. When the police got there, the bad guy gloated about his plan and basically gave up. When the police changed where their guns were pointing, he realized that the laptop wasn't even connected to anything that could send such a signal. He'd just been had.
You could possibly manage the same thing with Ikutsuki. As for controlling Aigis... as I said, remove the control unit or install a signal-jammer, so the remote wouldn't work. As long as you could keep her out of his hands and anyone else that might change it back, she'd be safe to trust.
And just one SimmyC? You always have the Harem End option, and I think he'd at least go for Yukari and Mitsuru, since those two end up pretty close anyway.
*cough choke wheeze* :rofl:
An idea for letting an early shadow escape... The Lovers. Say you have a feeling that this one might try to run. Leave Akihiko and Junpei outside. After you kill The Hierophant, when The Lovers tries to screw with your head, give it a psychic punch in the face and tell it that if it doesn't want you to squish it like a bug, it'll do what you say. Since it does effect minds, it might be smart enough to listen. Of course, you're going to have to distract your allies to let it get away... and oh look, Yukari and Mitsuru are right there in the room with you, and without the power spread, they're a little more susceptible to the suggestion... especially since you've already started working your charms on them.
Tell The Lovers to keep pressing them for a few minutes, after that you should have things Well In Hand (assuming you got their S. Links to the max last time, it'll be reaaaal easy) and all it needs to do is distract those outside briefly and then get away. As long as it's out of Fuuka's reach before she realizes it's gone, it should be home free for a while.
Afterwards, Yukari and Mitsuru get the easy excuse that it was the shadow, despite the fact that most of it wasn't. You get the same excuse, and certainly aren't complaining. Fuuka's just brushing her teeth a lot, for some reason.
Also if you go with the harem option, is another amusing scene: getting stalked by one to five of them while you're showing Elizabeth around. Them all doing the 'poking heads around a corner' thing is funny.
And I'm not planning on doing this myself... yet, anyway. Any ideas are free if someone does start it.
Yeah. Harem is one option. Though I didn't suggest it given that, well, Harems are hard to do well. It's bad enough finding one good 'straight' fic in a given fandom (especially one where the Yaoi fangirls took over). It's another trying to find one good harem fic in any fandom period.
If someone was a good writer and knows how to write a harem fic, I wouldn't mind a harem with Yukari, Fuuka, and Mitsuru. Maybe Yuko and Chihiro but... well, while I like Yuko, I'm not a huge fan of the 'nerd' glasses wearing girls to be complete honest. :unsure: Not that she is a bad girl. Just that, yeah... never joined the 'girls with glasses' fetish.
Letting a shadow get away seemed like a good idea. Potential problem? The reaction. After all, unless there are doubts that letting a shadow get a way is always a 'bad' thing, they are going to think that they let a 'zombie creating' shadow loose on the streets. Now, the optimal reaction would be 'Oh well, that means we have to three/four more shadows to defeat the next time', at worse, we're going to have a lot of tension in the group. "Why the fuck did you let that one get away? Don't tell me they simply overpowered you! Isn't that why we've been training in Tartarus so much?!"
Again, a way 'around it' is to put up the doubt that 'maybe' killing the shadows are not as bad as they should be. Problem again is, it's hard to justify that when the Apathy Syndrome cases cease falling.
Though I didn't suggest it given that, well, Harems are hard to do well. It's bad enough finding one good 'straight' fic in a given fandom (especially one where the Yaoi fangirls took over). It's another trying to find one good harem fic in any fandom period.If someone was a good writer and knows how to write a harem fic, I wouldn't mind a harem with Yukari, Fuuka, and Mitsuru.
Maybe Yuko and Chihiro but... well, while I like Yuko, I'm not a huge fan of the 'nerd' glasses wearing girls to be complete honest. :unsure: Not that she is a bad girl. Just that, yeah... never joined the 'girls with glasses' fetish.Letting a shadow get away seemed like a good idea. Potential problem? The reaction. After all, unless there are doubts that letting a shadow get a way is always a 'bad' thing, they are going to think that they let a 'zombie creating' shadow loose on the streets. Now, the optimal reaction would be 'Oh well, that means we have to three/four more shadows to defeat the next time', at worse, we're going to have a lot of tension in the group. "Why the fuck did you let that one get away? Don't tell me they simply overpowered you! Isn't that why we've been training in Tartarus so much?!"
Again, a way 'around it' is to put up the doubt that 'maybe' killing the shadows are not as bad as they should be. Problem again is, it's hard to justify that when the Apathy Syndrome cases cease falling.
How to excuse oneself from failing... letting one of them loose because you pretended you couldn't take it down is one thing. Using The Lovers as I suggested, that surprise mental attack is a very good excuse. Besides, in the scenario I laid out, they ALL failed to resist that. If The Lovers gets the hell out of Dodge, it could be a while before the natural attraction draws it back... even if it appears during the first full moon after The Hanged Man, that's another month you have to set things up in your favor.
And the Apathy Syndrome cases aren't really a problem. They'll come back once the shadows are defeated, and I do really doubt you'll find a way to avoid Death's return indefinitely. However, given time you may find another way...
Hm... also, asking Igor more questions might be a good idea. I think it's pretty safe to assume he'll accept what you say at face value, and he might be able to give you some details that no one else can. Might even be able to work out a way to seal Nyx without having to expend your life, which solves your main problem with the last ending you got... especially since you suspect that if it happens like that again, you'll have to start this crap all over again. Not that you still can't improve events, but preventing Nyx from coming or 'destroying' Nyx without it costing your life is your main objective.
Hm... Nyx struck me as mostly a mental force... much like Shadows and Personae. I think the last battle supports this... enough strength of will brought against Nyx, and she's powerless. More than any one person can gather, probably, but gather enough strong-willed people... the only problem with that is actually changing peoples' mindset.
With the way the world has been made by the Bill Gates' and Donald Trumps of the world, with the soulless corporate model assimilating more every day... this is not an easy task.
*SNRK!*
Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert!
Igor blinked, staring incredulously at the mis-fused persona. Minato just blinked, wondering what kind of persona would look so... movie-star.
"Er... this... Persona... is of the Tower Arcana. I've never seen it before... it's name is... Tyler Durden?"
~~~ "There's more com'n Cap'n!"
The long-nosed man sat back quickly, avoiding the careless sweep of a katana as the freshly mis-fused persona leaped out of its card... an event which had never happened before.
"Who the hell are you?" Igor asked, shocked enough to lose his 'creepy old guy' composure.
"I'll tell you, so open up those pointy ears and listen well!" The persona struck a pose, "Leader of the Gurren-dan! With a man's soul and a strong back, A tenacious demon... The Great Kamina-sama... is ME!"
~~~
:rofl: Oh hell I think I sprained something...
And the Apathy Syndrome cases aren't really a problem. They'll come back once the shadows are defeated, and I do really doubt you'll find a way to avoid Death's return indefinitely. However, given time you may find another way...
Hm... also, asking Igor more questions might be a good idea. I think it's pretty safe to assume he'll accept what you say at face value, and he might be able to give you some details that no one else can. Might even be able to work out a way to seal Nyx without having to expend your life, which solves your main problem with the last ending you got... especially since you suspect that if it happens like that again, you'll have to start this crap all over again. Not that you still can't improve events, but preventing Nyx from coming or 'destroying' Nyx without it costing your life is your main objective.
Hm... Nyx struck me as mostly a mental force... much like Shadows and Personae. I think the last battle supports this... enough strength of will brought against Nyx, and she's powerless. More than any one person can gather, probably, but gather enough strong-willed people... the only problem with that is actually changing peoples' mindset.
With the way the world has been made by the Bill Gates' and Donald Trumps of the world, with the soulless corporate model assimilating more every day... this is not an easy task.
*SNRK!*
Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert! Crackfic Alert!
Igor blinked, staring incredulously at the mis-fused persona. Minato just blinked, wondering what kind of persona would look so... movie-star.
"Er... this... Persona... is of the Tower Arcana. I've never seen it before... it's name is... Tyler Durden?"
~~~ "There's more com'n Cap'n!"
The long-nosed man sat back quickly, avoiding the careless sweep of a katana as the freshly mis-fused persona leaped out of its card... an event which had never happened before.
"Who the hell are you?" Igor asked, shocked enough to lose his 'creepy old guy' composure.
"I'll tell you, so open up those pointy ears and listen well!" The persona struck a pose, "Leader of the Gurren-dan! With a man's soul and a strong back, A tenacious demon... The Great Kamina-sama... is ME!"
~~~
:rofl: Oh hell I think I sprained something...
Yeah. That is a way you could argue that 'failure' can work without causing too much tension. Though, while that will hopefully not cause them to go at each other throats, it would still be a mental blow for the ones not in the know (basically, everyone but Minato). So, instead of being pissed off at each other, they'd be pissed off about themselves.
But yes, that's the best way for the story not to be dragged down into emoism over 'failure'. It'll give him an extra month to hopefully come up with a plan to truly show that, killing these shadows is not the way to go.
About the Apathy Syndromes, well one of the things that gave the SEES people 'hope', and why Ikutsuki's plan was easily taken in by them, was that after each kill on a full moon, Apathy Syndromes dropped. The idea apparently was that, once that Shadow(s) was/were killed, the Apathy Syndrome victim recovered. Cases dropped until the next full moon approaches. Obviously, going by Ikutsuki's plan, kill the Shadows, Apathy Syndrome victims disappear. By letting even one free, I doubt the same result would happen, and would make convincing the other members of SEES that killing them is not the right thing to do harder.
And you're right, the coming of Death probably cannot be avoided. The question is, how it happens, and what you can do to change it. Since this story should have a happier ending (otherwise, what's the point of a restart?), something must be done to prevent Nyx coming and wiping everyone out.
But yes, that's the best way for the story not to be dragged down into emoism over 'failure'. It'll give him an extra month to hopefully come up with a plan to truly show that, killing these shadows is not the way to go.
About the Apathy Syndromes, well one of the things that gave the SEES people 'hope', and why Ikutsuki's plan was easily taken in by them, was that after each kill on a full moon, Apathy Syndromes dropped. The idea apparently was that, once that Shadow(s) was/were killed, the Apathy Syndrome victim recovered. Cases dropped until the next full moon approaches. Obviously, going by Ikutsuki's plan, kill the Shadows, Apathy Syndrome victims disappear. By letting even one free, I doubt the same result would happen, and would make convincing the other members of SEES that killing them is not the right thing to do harder.
And you're right, the coming of Death probably cannot be avoided. The question is, how it happens, and what you can do to change it. Since this story should have a happier ending (otherwise, what's the point of a restart?), something must be done to prevent Nyx coming and wiping everyone out.
The ending before worked... except for Minato. Everyone else was fine. He's just gotta find a different way to take care of Nyx. That's probably not going to be easy.
I suspect that if you could manage to destroy the physical form, it would be a nice delay. Of generations, if you could keep the pieces apart from each-other. Only problem is doing that without utilizing a Mass Driver.
You know... considering what happened, and what the driving force behind your personae is... just gathering enough will and using yourself as the spearpoint could do it as well. That's what you did to create whatever card it was that resulted in The Great Seal. But that was on a very limited basis: with a better amount of time, you could gather a lot more support. Possibly enough to do it without sacrificing yourself. Igor could probably be your source of details on that.
He also might want to think about finding a way to separate Ryoji from Death. He does seem to know Igor, if you didn't notice. But considering they all probably exist in his mind, that's not unusual. Minato may just have to ask the right questions.
As far as being mad at themselves, they'll probably be just a wee bit more embarrassed and trying to figure out why they enjoyed it so much. Well, the girls anyhow, the guys just have to beat themselves over the head for not objecting to it, but won't really blame themselves too much, that being our nature. Fuuka might decide she needs to get that bad taste out of her mouth, and start getting Mitsuru and Yukari all jealous (and annoyed that they are jealous).
That also resolves one of Junpei's jealousy issues early, since that was the mission when he started getting mad because Minato's so much more pwnage than the rest of the team. Minato failing with everyone else will let some of that off. Junpei will still be jealous, but not for the same reasons. Might be a little too busy feeling guilty for what happened too, though as I said, he'll get over it. Probably about the time that they all decide not to ever talk about what happened that night and forget it ever happened.
I suspect that if you could manage to destroy the physical form, it would be a nice delay. Of generations, if you could keep the pieces apart from each-other. Only problem is doing that without utilizing a Mass Driver.
You know... considering what happened, and what the driving force behind your personae is... just gathering enough will and using yourself as the spearpoint could do it as well. That's what you did to create whatever card it was that resulted in The Great Seal. But that was on a very limited basis: with a better amount of time, you could gather a lot more support. Possibly enough to do it without sacrificing yourself. Igor could probably be your source of details on that.
He also might want to think about finding a way to separate Ryoji from Death. He does seem to know Igor, if you didn't notice. But considering they all probably exist in his mind, that's not unusual. Minato may just have to ask the right questions.
As far as being mad at themselves, they'll probably be just a wee bit more embarrassed and trying to figure out why they enjoyed it so much. Well, the girls anyhow, the guys just have to beat themselves over the head for not objecting to it, but won't really blame themselves too much, that being our nature. Fuuka might decide she needs to get that bad taste out of her mouth, and start getting Mitsuru and Yukari all jealous (and annoyed that they are jealous).
That also resolves one of Junpei's jealousy issues early, since that was the mission when he started getting mad because Minato's so much more pwnage than the rest of the team. Minato failing with everyone else will let some of that off. Junpei will still be jealous, but not for the same reasons. Might be a little too busy feeling guilty for what happened too, though as I said, he'll get over it. Probably about the time that they all decide not to ever talk about what happened that night and forget it ever happened.
Something worth thinking about: insead of letting the Shadow's go (bad idea because they'll keep spreading the Apathy Syndrome) or destroying the Shadows (really bad idea because it gets Minato the BAD END), what if he decided to seal them within himself?
This could be amusing. Say that the Lovers is sealed into Minato, and we'd get a pair of kids in his head hitting on Pharos and telling Minato to seduce every chick at school.
Or the Chariot, telling him to hijack Mitsuru's motorcycle/outrun the Star S. Link dude.
You see where this is going. By the end, Minato would have twelve voices in his head, (and one voice outside of his head) teeling him about how to live his life.
But that's for maybe an omake set. Seriously, the best thing to do would be to destroy the Shadows.
An analogy: Persona 3 is like Neon Genesis Evangelion. The Shadows are like the Angels: strange, powerful beings seeking the destruction of humanity. While they are intelligent, they can't be reasoned with or stopped in any way short of destroying them. The only one who can be dealt with (Ryoji=Koaru) wants to be human, but in the end can't stop himself from carrying out his role in events.
I think that Minato would try to change other things. He can't avoid destroying the Shadows, so he'd try to affect other things. Like Shinjiro's fate, Takaya's fate etc.
This could be amusing. Say that the Lovers is sealed into Minato, and we'd get a pair of kids in his head hitting on Pharos and telling Minato to seduce every chick at school.
Or the Chariot, telling him to hijack Mitsuru's motorcycle/outrun the Star S. Link dude.
You see where this is going. By the end, Minato would have twelve voices in his head, (and one voice outside of his head) teeling him about how to live his life.
But that's for maybe an omake set. Seriously, the best thing to do would be to destroy the Shadows.
An analogy: Persona 3 is like Neon Genesis Evangelion. The Shadows are like the Angels: strange, powerful beings seeking the destruction of humanity. While they are intelligent, they can't be reasoned with or stopped in any way short of destroying them. The only one who can be dealt with (Ryoji=Koaru) wants to be human, but in the end can't stop himself from carrying out his role in events.
I think that Minato would try to change other things. He can't avoid destroying the Shadows, so he'd try to affect other things. Like Shinjiro's fate, Takaya's fate etc.
Takaya's fate has been sealed since a long time before Minato came onto the scene.
Which is totally beside the point when you ask yourself _why_ he'd even consider doing something for a bastard with a Messiah/Doomsday complex and an ego larger than some skyscrapers. Plus, likely the only reason he and Jin are still alive is that they have Chidori with them. Hell, if you think about it, it would be very much in line with Takaya's character to manipulate her into keeping them alive while leading her away from the realization that this power of hers could make her pretty much immune to the pills' effects.
And the unabomber had next to no personality aside from being Takaya's butt-monkey, as far as I can see.
-Griever
Which is totally beside the point when you ask yourself _why_ he'd even consider doing something for a bastard with a Messiah/Doomsday complex and an ego larger than some skyscrapers. Plus, likely the only reason he and Jin are still alive is that they have Chidori with them. Hell, if you think about it, it would be very much in line with Takaya's character to manipulate her into keeping them alive while leading her away from the realization that this power of hers could make her pretty much immune to the pills' effects.
And the unabomber had next to no personality aside from being Takaya's butt-monkey, as far as I can see.
-Griever
True, but I think that Minato (especially the time-sliding one) has a bit of a messiah complex too.
So he'll try to save Takaya. Even if he hates Takaya, he'll try. No matter the pain Takaya causes him, he's got to try. After all, if he canit save Takaya, maybe he can't save himself.
That said, if Takaya hurts any of his friends this time around it's going to be Armageddon for him.
So he'll try to save Takaya. Even if he hates Takaya, he'll try. No matter the pain Takaya causes him, he's got to try. After all, if he canit save Takaya, maybe he can't save himself.
That said, if Takaya hurts any of his friends this time around it's going to be Armageddon for him.
Personally, I'd see one of Minato's main goals as taking Takaya down after Chidori is captured by S.E.E.S, but before October's Full Moon. Despite his incredible narcissism and superiority/messiah complex, Takaya is very, very dangerous. He needs to be put down, no question.
I always found the irony to be awesome, though. Minato is and becomes everything Takaya desperately wanted to believe himself as.
Oh, and the Lovers thing would probably work better as epic crack. Unless you want to play the story primarily for laughs, which is entirely viable.
I always found the irony to be awesome, though. Minato is and becomes everything Takaya desperately wanted to believe himself as.
Oh, and the Lovers thing would probably work better as epic crack. Unless you want to play the story primarily for laughs, which is entirely viable.
Yup. Epic crack. Especially since, in a way, that still doesn't solve anything. If the Pharos is just one part of Death, and the 12 shadows are part of Death, wouldn't sealing them inside himself kind of, defeat the purpose? In other words, what you get is all the pieces together... inside Minato. Instead of killing them, he'd be combining them by sealing them all in one place. :lol:
And yeah, I actually meant a happier ending with him alive (I know the 'good' ending). Which is the point of trying to go back in time and stop Nyx... differently.
Igor is 'more' than just something inside of Minato's head if you have played the answers. Heck, he's in Persona 4. But yeah, Minato himself probably no idea if they aren't from his head... UNLESS you did Elizabeth's dates. Of course whether or not people have noticed Elizabeth during their date is another question (I haven't done it myself since I screwed up the first play around. I'll have to try it in the second... or watch it on Youtube).
And I'll have to agree with Watashiwa. While killing the Shadows has its problems (i.e. hastening Death's reconstruction), keeping them alive has its problems too. Mainly again, the Apathy Syndrome case. Whether or not that's preferable than having the world end is irrelevant. The fact that people are having their soul sucked out of them and basically be living zombies cannot be a good thing.
Especially since, in a way, that still doesn't solve anything. If the Pharos is just one part of Death, and the 12 shadows are part of Death, wouldn't sealing them inside himself kind of, defeat the purpose? In other words, what you get is all the pieces together... inside Minato. Instead of killing them, he'd be combining them by sealing them all in one place. :lol: And yeah, I actually meant a happier ending with him alive (I know the 'good' ending). Which is the point of trying to go back in time and stop Nyx... differently.
Igor is 'more' than just something inside of Minato's head if you have played the answers. Heck, he's in Persona 4. But yeah, Minato himself probably no idea if they aren't from his head... UNLESS you did Elizabeth's dates. Of course whether or not people have noticed Elizabeth during their date is another question (I haven't done it myself since I screwed up the first play around. I'll have to try it in the second... or watch it on Youtube).
And I'll have to agree with Watashiwa. While killing the Shadows has its problems (i.e. hastening Death's reconstruction), keeping them alive has its problems too. Mainly again, the Apathy Syndrome case. Whether or not that's preferable than having the world end is irrelevant. The fact that people are having their soul sucked out of them and basically be living zombies cannot be a good thing.
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Wait... have you played any of the other Persona games? Igor's in them too.
I'd probably better explain.
Igor is the creation of Philemon, the master of dreams. He's the guy who gives Persona users their power.
Do you remember the weird butterfly that shows up when Minato first summons Orpheus? (And that Aigis sees in The Answer)?
That's Philemon's mark. Every Persona user has the dream about a butterfly. Which begs the question: are the rest of SEES real persona users? I say no.
Wait... have you played any of the other Persona games? Igor's in them too.
I'd probably better explain.
Igor is the creation of Philemon, the master of dreams. He's the guy who gives Persona users their power.
Do you remember the weird butterfly that shows up when Minato first summons Orpheus? (And that Aigis sees in The Answer)?
That's Philemon's mark. Every Persona user has the dream about a butterfly. Which begs the question: are the rest of SEES real persona users? I say no.
Now that could be an interesting direction for this to take...Minato finding out about Philemon, probably from Igor. Would he see that butterfly again? Since the cut scene's repeated...hmm. Does that mean that Minato wouldn't be a 'true' persona user until he had it? At any rate...if he did, and this time around he had the presence of mind to ask Igor about it...and maybe more about Igor and Elizabeth himself...how would that change things?
...wonder if it'd be feasible for him to try and pull some favors with Igor and get the rest of the cast made into 'true' persona users...or does Igor have any control over Philemon? Or could he try to arrange it? Would Igor do it in the first place? Though, I have an interesting mental image of Igor saying he can only choose one person to fully awaken to their potential...
Hmm. What if Minato asked, "Does it have to be someone who already knows how to summon a persona?" In short...he could bring in an outsider, perhaps, one of the social links. Or just stick with the people he knows and trusts, through and through. Either would be interesting.
Another little thought: Minato possesses the precious items of many people, at least those he maxed out social links with. What about the originals? :mellow:
...wonder if it'd be feasible for him to try and pull some favors with Igor and get the rest of the cast made into 'true' persona users...or does Igor have any control over Philemon? Or could he try to arrange it? Would Igor do it in the first place? Though, I have an interesting mental image of Igor saying he can only choose one person to fully awaken to their potential...
Hmm. What if Minato asked, "Does it have to be someone who already knows how to summon a persona?" In short...he could bring in an outsider, perhaps, one of the social links. Or just stick with the people he knows and trusts, through and through. Either would be interesting.
Another little thought: Minato possesses the precious items of many people, at least those he maxed out social links with. What about the originals? :mellow:
Yeesh, if you're going to try to add in the neutral-aligned-but-cannot-directly-interfere Philemon, the man who exists only in the Realm of subconsciousness, then you may as well add in Nyarlathotep, a being who's his counterbalance, that can exist in the world and causing destruction for humanity in general.
I'm quite sure that fighting both Nyx and Nyarlathotep would be even worse I suppose.
I'm quite sure that fighting both Nyx and Nyarlathotep would be even worse I suppose.