Nasuverse New Type-Moon Forum!

[shioran toushin]

you people are still here?
yes i could care less about Mike, in fact i hold a very deep dislike for him
and

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He also really does bring up Sakura in the oddest of places, like asking where she is in a fic about Waver and Iskander trolling around Neo-Tokyo.

I don't agree with this, honestly. Sakura is an important enough character that asking about her is not entirely unreasonable in almost any fic. I will admit I took it a bit far occasionally, but most of the time I was at least justified in asking, even if not in spewing abuse at the author afterwards.

that is your opinion Mike, not everyone shares it and sometimes you do come of as an aggraviating little whining bitch and others like a 'How the fuck i forgot about her?' so i suppose it balances out.
Honestly i don't care about his forum, mainly because i actually don't write (insert surprise here) and could care even less about the drama going in the internet about his 'so called' 'unfair' banning.

but while he did come of as whining about it, he also wanted to share his forum as an option beyond the established ones and asked about... publicity, distribution, awareness? i suppose that word works in this case, and this has devolved into a witch hunt of the Spanish Inquisition with both sides equaly useless.
so either let this shit die already or give him what he asked for and stop getting into:
Mike is [insert expeletive here] and deserved what he got because X
Mike was jistified because Y
and the 'NO U' shit.

 

[Aegis]

you people are still here?
yes i could care less about Mike, in fact i hold a very deep dislike for him
and

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He also really does bring up Sakura in the oddest of places, like asking where she is in a fic about Waver and Iskander trolling around Neo-Tokyo.

I don't agree with this, honestly. Sakura is an important enough character that asking about her is not entirely unreasonable in almost any fic. I will admit I took it a bit far occasionally, but most of the time I was at least justified in asking, even if not in spewing abuse at the author afterwards.

that is your opinion Mike, not everyone shares it and sometimes you do come of as an aggraviating little whining bitch and others like a 'How the fuck i forgot about her?' so i suppose it balances out.
Honestly i don't care about his forum, mainly because i actually don't write (insert surprise here) and could care even less about the drama going in the internet about his 'so called' 'unfair' banning.

but while he did come of as whining about it, he also wanted to share his forum as an option beyond the established ones and asked about... publicity, distribution, awareness? i suppose that word works in this case, and this has devolved into a witch hunt of the Spanish Inquisition with both sides equaly useless.
so either let this shit die already or give him what he asked for and stop getting into:
Mike is [insert expeletive here] and deserved what he got because X
Mike was jistified because Y
and the 'NO U' shit.

Don't forget the festering cesspool of shit, you need to mention that somewhere =D

 

[zeebee1]

Sakura was at best a minor character, not even a tertiary charter, in two thirds of the game. So really, Mike has no argument that she's as important as Rin.

But Mike's real problem is his habit of blaming everyone for everything that doesn't include sharing his unhealthy, and insane, obsession with a fiction character.

I am saying this. Mike, you need counseling. If I knew who you were I would do my best to make sure you were legally required to see a psychiatrist. I'd normally refer you to a psychologist, but you're too far gone to be fixed without drugs.

 

[Lord of Bones]

Sakura was at best a minor character, not even a tertiary charter, in two thirds of the game. So really, Mike has no argument that she's as important as Rin.

Oh, hell.

 

[He-who-voted-for-Kodos]

Wasn't there a time on BL where this argument started and led to the conclusion that Crimson Moon is the true hero of FSN?

 

[shioran toushin]

oh shit, agai....

Wasn't there a time on BL where this argument started and led to the conclusion that Crimson Moon is the true hero of FSN?

Seriously? i mean it really happened? Link NAO i must read that shit, i will be amused a lot.

 

[tasoli]

Mike can be really, really abrasive at times. He also really does bring up Sakura in the oddest of places, like asking where she is in a fic about Waver and Iskander trolling around Neo-Tokyo.

The author proceeded to be sarcastic, along with expressing a dislike of Sakura's character.

Naturally, Mike exploded.

That was him? :huh!: I tought he was a douche at the time :crazy: If I was mod I would have banned him right there on the spot. But sadly I don't even have a account at BL so ...

 

[WizardOne]

In general, it hasnt impressed me so far.
I don't feel much thought has gone into its creation./

I form this opinion based on the following criteria:

1: Is it easy to navigate.
no, it has ten billion little forums, sort of like TFF, but worse, 90 percent of its sub forums could be integrated into the remaining 10 percent with no issue, and it would save a lot of confusion and time.

2: Does it have content.
no, its just started up, so I havent seen much of anything interesting yet

3: Is it popular
no, not yet

4: Are the people in power well known, and if so, reasonable and willing to abide by their own rules?
Apparently some are and some arent.

5: Has it been designed with a userbase in mind, or has it been designed around the preferences of the owner.
For example, the TM section makes sense for a TM forum, but why is one of the three large sections 'Gundam' and the other 'Shonen Jump'. Surely anyone with a little thought could realise that those two sections are never going to have much of anything in them? Its bizarre. Gundam? Really? Seems to be prety clearly designed for the creators tastes, as the Gundam fandom is absolutely miniscule in the 'decent' fanfiction circles

6: Does it fill a need of general forum goers?
No. Its an attempt at creating a replacement for an already existing and popular forum. People in general stick with what they know and like. There's already a popular and active T-M forum out there, replacing it as the primary, or even being a decent secondary TM forum would require a LOT of time, effort, and work, or for the BL admins to completely fuck everything.

There is no real need (in the eyes of the general userbase) for a new TM forum, so I don't think there's any chance its going to take off as a forum.

Something that is needed is an adult oriented version of spacebattles, where people can post adult oriented quests, (violent, sexual, strange) and stories without receiving a permaban, so I could very easily see a forum like this taking off. But I don't think Dark side of the moon is going to work out.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Sakura was at best a minor character, not even a tertiary charter, in two thirds of the game. So really, Mike has no argument that she's as important as Rin.

Yeah, rubbish. She might not be actively involved, but she's still important (whether she's as important as Rin is another matter, but she's very definitely important). She's Rin's sister, Shirou's friend and Rider's master. Further, she's highly important to the events of Zero too (without her, Kariya would not be fighting). So, it's simply not true to claim that she's irrelevant, and thus asking about her is entirely reasonable.

But Mike's real problem is his habit of blaming everyone for everything that doesn't include sharing his unhealthy, and insane, obsession with a fiction character.

What?

I am saying this. Mike, you need counseling. If I knew who you were I would do my best to make sure you were legally required to see a psychiatrist. I'd normally refer you to a psychologist, but you're too far gone to be fixed without drugs.

Yeah, right, because you can totally make a psychiatric assessment on someone you have never met and only communicate with by insulting at every opportunity....

1: Is it easy to navigate.
no, it has ten billion little forums, sort of like TFF, but worse, 90 percent of its sub forums could be integrated into the remaining 10 percent with no issue, and it would save a lot of confusion and time.

How could they?

4: Are the people in power well known, and if so, reasonable and willing to abide by their own rules?
Apparently some are and some arent.

That is entirely a matter of opinion on your part. Personally, I don't consider slavish obedience to the rules to be a good thing from anyone. But, at the same time, I have no intention of acting in ways that I would hand out bans for if someone else acted in that way, because that is clearly wrong.

5: Has it been designed with a userbase in mind, or has it been designed around the preferences of the owner.
For example, the TM section makes sense for a TM forum, but why is one of the three large sections 'Gundam' and the other 'Shonen Jump'. Surely anyone with a little thought could realise that those two sections are never going to have much of anything in them? Its bizarre. Gundam? Really? Seems to be prety clearly designed for the creators tastes, as the Gundam fandom is absolutely miniscule in the 'decent' fanfiction circles

Well, as you say below, a purely TM forum is hard to make work, so adding other stuff made sense.

I don't want it to be an adult-themed Spacebattles, though (and, nor I suspect does most of the current user-base), because the point is to have a TM forum, not a general fanfic forum.

 

[WizardOne]

1: Is it easy to navigate.
no, it has ten billion little forums, sort of like TFF, but worse, 90 percent of its sub forums could be integrated into the remaining 10 percent with no issue, and it would save a lot of confusion and time.

How could they?

4: Are the people in power well known, and if so, reasonable and willing to abide by their own rules?
Apparently some are and some arent.

That is entirely a matter of opinion on your part. Personally, I don't consider slavish obedience to the rules to be a good thing from anyone. But, at the same time, I have no intention of acting in ways that I would hand out bans for if someone else acted in that way, because that is clearly wrong.

5: Has it been designed with a userbase in mind, or has it been designed around the preferences of the owner.
For example, the TM section makes sense for a TM forum, but why is one of the three large sections 'Gundam' and the other 'Shonen Jump'. Surely anyone with a little thought could realise that those two sections are never going to have much of anything in them? Its bizarre. Gundam? Really? Seems to be prety clearly designed for the creators tastes, as the Gundam fandom is absolutely miniscule in the 'decent' fanfiction circles

Well, as you say below, a purely TM forum is hard to make work, so adding other stuff made sense.

I don't want it to be an adult-themed Spacebattles, though (and, nor I suspect does most of the current user-base), because the point is to have a TM forum, not a general fanfic forum.

Well, for example: Having a tiny userbase and 28 sub-forums is redundant. As it currently stands, you have something like a ratio of 2-3:1 of users to forums. Thats pointless. Its better to start more compact and then expand as users come in and bring their wants and needs with them. On top of that, at least 9 of those forums have zero posts. Easily deletable, or at least remove them from the front page and hide them within sub-forums. (IE: put 'Fan clubs' and 'fanart' and 'Doujin projects' under 'Fan Works'. These are all just hypotheticals, and not criticism, merely me trying to help.


Its not 'my opinion' on the administration of the new forum. Its the opinion of the people who have been posting in this thread, hence I said 'Apparently' to indicate that I don't know for sure, having no real input on this part.



And finally: Making more sections in order to attract a wider userbase to keep the forum alive and working is a good plan, but you need to choose topics that will be of interest to a large number of users within the community that you operate (T-M/Fanfics in general)

Gundam and 'Shonen Jump' don't strike me (And apparently from their views and posts) or other people as interesting.


As for making it an Adult themed spacebattles: That wasnt me attempting to tell you what to do, I was giving an example of meeting the needs of a userbase. An adult spacebattles would attract users because there's a large community of people who WANT that.

You have to find something that people want, and then fulfill that need. Otherwise it'll be very, very hard to keep the forum afloat.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Well, for example: Having a tiny userbase and 28 sub-forums is redundant. As it currently stands, you have something like a ratio of 2-3:1 of users to forums. Thats pointless. Its better to start more compact and then expand as users come in and bring their wants and needs with them. On top of that, at least 9 of those forums have zero posts. Easily deletable, or at least remove them from the front page and hide them within sub-forums. (IE: put 'Fan clubs' and 'fanart' and 'Doujin projects' under 'Fan Works'. These are all just hypotheticals, and not criticism, merely me trying to help.

Well, possibly shrinking it to not show the sub-forums isn't a bad idea. However, I disagree with you that it's easy to expand later, at least in terms of the forums you suggested merging. It's exceptionally difficult to unmerge a forum at a later date, because you have to decide where every single thread in it should be moved to.

Its not 'my opinion' on the administration of the new forum. Its the opinion of the people who have been posting in this thread, hence I said 'Apparently' to indicate that I don't know for sure, having no real input on this part.

Honestly, the people who are attacking me in this thread are mostly not reliable, because they're people who have a grudge against me and also who don't actually know very much about me. They all just see me as a caricature, and thus assume I will act in the way their caricature of me does even though that is not at all true.

And finally: Making more sections in order to attract a wider userbase to keep the forum alive and working is a good plan, but you need to choose topics that will be of interest to a large number of users within the community that you operate (T-M/Fanfics in general)

Gundam and 'Shonen Jump' don't strike me (And apparently from their views and posts) or other people as interesting.

Yeah, I can see your point there, although Gundam at least I know several of the members are interested in. What I'm not sure about is what would help there.

As for making it an Adult themed spacebattles: That wasnt me attempting to tell you what to do, I was giving an example of meeting the needs of a userbase. An adult spacebattles would attract users because there's a large community of people who WANT that.

Well, yes, but I don't want to run an adult-themed Spacebattles, I want to run a forum where TM fans can go to talk. There is no point in keeping the forum afloat if, in the process, it turns into something that neither me or the people who are currently active members are interested in.

You have to find something that people want, and then fulfill that need. Otherwise it'll be very, very hard to keep the forum afloat.

Well, yes, of course. It seems to be doing OK right now, though, at least relative to most other forums in that stage of being formed.

 

[WizardOne]

Well, yes, but I don't want to run an adult-themed Spacebattles, I want to run a forum where TM fans can go to talk. There is no point in keeping the forum afloat if, in the process, it turns into something that neither me or the people who are currently active members are interested in.

Please stop being obtuse. I'm not going to repeat myself again.

 

[Aegis]

Well, yes, but I don't want to run an adult-themed Spacebattles, I want to run a forum where TM fans can go to talk. There is no point in keeping the forum afloat if, in the process, it turns into something that neither me or the people who are currently active members are interested in.

Please stop being obtuse. I'm not going to repeat myself again.

Honestly I agree with WizardOne completely. You need to meet the needs of other people, you also need to give others something that they 'do NOT' have in spacebattles because otherwise you're just really not going to get an audience where there is already a bigger and better thought of option. In the end what you're making is a nice little corner for yourself where you won't get banned and in that respect you have succeeded but if you don't 'give' your user-base something that attracts them and something that they truly DO want, all you're doing is creating a box for yourself and your friends, a hang-out spot rather than anything akin to an actual attractive place to go to. Do you think Admins like EVERY aspect of the sites they make? They need to give and take to meet supply, demand, trends and popularity. Already by making a seeming replica of a pre-existing place you've managed to utterly deplete the supply and demand but if you don't expand to a greater margin of people, even if you make a new location, you simply won't appeal. Do you know why? Because most members are lurkers rather than active posters, they don't need to fear admins because they don't say shit and thus have nothing against the supposed 'tyranical rules'. Also stereotypes and wide-spread opinions exist for a reason, they don't come out of nowhere, it is simply because on some level they are true, stop deluding yourself into thinking you're innocent because there's no such thing as an innocent person in a fight/debate/argument/bitchfit, there's two parties and both are just as stupid as the other.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Honestly I agree with WizardOne completely. You need to meet the needs of other people, you also need to give others something that they 'do NOT' have in spacebattles because otherwise you're just really not going to get an audience where there is already a bigger and better thought of option. In the end what you're making is a nice little corner for yourself where you won't get banned and in that respect you have succeeded but if you don't 'give' your user-base something that attracts them and something that they truly DO want, all you're doing is creating a box for yourself and your friends, a hang-out spot rather than anything akin to an actual attractive place to go to. Do you think Admins like EVERY aspect of the sites they make? They need to give and take to meet supply, demand, trends and popularity. Already by making a seeming replica of a pre-existing place you've managed to utterly deplete the supply and demand but if you don't expand to a greater margin of people, even if you make a new location, you simply won't appeal.

Well, of course. We very definitely do need something which will attract users. But, at the same time, it's pointless doing that if the part of the forum I and all of the current members actually care about becomes buried in a pile of other, more popular stuff that we don't care about. All that ends up happening is that I end up running a popular forum that I don't actually have any interest in about 99% of the content of, with the section I actually am interested in being just as dead as ever.

Obviously it needs something to attract people, but that something needs to be compatible with the basic point of the forum, which is to be primarily a TM-based forum. I don't want a forum that is swamped by arguments on hundreds of different fandoms, with the TM section being basically irrelevant like it is on most multi-fandom forums, I want something more like BL, where TM is important and most people there actually know what the hell they're talking about.

Do you know why? Because most members are lurkers rather than active posters, they don't need to fear admins because they don't say shit and thus have nothing against the supposed 'tyranical rules'.

Well, yes, obviously, but lurkers don't really contribute all that much to the forum anyway....

Also stereotypes and wide-spread opinions exist for a reason, they don't come out of nowhere, it is simply because on some level they are true, stop deluding yourself into thinking you're innocent because there's no such thing as an innocent person in a fight/debate/argument/bitchfit, there's two parties and both are just as stupid as the other.

I don't think I'm entirely innocent, but I very definitely do think that the admins and mods on BL were totally wrong to ban me. I will admit I made mistakes and that I did sometimes do some stupid things, but they are far worse in that respect, at least recently.

 

[shioran toushin]

just a honest Question, if it's supposed to be a TM forum, then why the fuck there are other things like Gundam and Shonen Jump as a main Sections instead of subsections in the 'Other Fandom' one?

 

[Aegis]

Honestly I agree with WizardOne completely. You need to meet the needs of other people, you also need to give others something that they 'do NOT' have in spacebattles because otherwise you're just really not going to get an audience where there is already a bigger and better thought of option. In the end what you're making is a nice little corner for yourself where you won't get banned and in that respect you have succeeded but if you don't 'give' your user-base something that attracts them and something that they truly DO want, all you're doing is creating a box for yourself and your friends, a hang-out spot rather than anything akin to an actual attractive place to go to. Do you think Admins like EVERY aspect of the sites they make? They need to give and take to meet supply, demand, trends and popularity. Already by making a seeming replica of a pre-existing place you've managed to utterly deplete the supply and demand but if you don't expand to a greater margin of people, even if you make a new location, you simply won't appeal.

Well, of course. We very definitely do need something which will attract users. But, at the same time, it's pointless doing that if the part of the forum I and all of the current members actually care about becomes buried in a pile of other, more popular stuff that we don't care about. All that ends up happening is that I end up running a popular forum that I don't actually have any interest in about 99% of the content of, with the section I actually am interested in being just as dead as ever.

Obviously it needs something to attract people, but that something needs to be compatible with the basic point of the forum, which is to be primarily a TM-based forum. I don't want a forum that is swamped by arguments on hundreds of different fandoms, with the TM section being basically irrelevant like it is on most multi-fandom forums, I want something more like BL, where TM is important and most people there actually know what the hell they're talking about.

Do you know why? Because most members are lurkers rather than active posters, they don't need to fear admins because they don't say shit and thus have nothing against the supposed 'tyranical rules'.

Well, yes, obviously, but lurkers don't really contribute all that much to the forum anyway....

Also stereotypes and wide-spread opinions exist for a reason, they don't come out of nowhere, it is simply because on some level they are true, stop deluding yourself into thinking you're innocent because there's no such thing as an innocent person in a fight/debate/argument/bitchfit, there's two parties and both are just as stupid as the other.

I don't think I'm entirely innocent, but I very definitely do think that the admins and mods on BL were totally wrong to ban me. I will admit I made mistakes and that I did sometimes do some stupid things, but they are far worse in that respect, at least recently.

Then obviously you need to give them the something that BL doesn't give or the multiple things it does not give, if your only appeal is "Like BL, but emptier and not really" then you have a horrible sales pitch right there. Forums and threads will be filled with both types of fans that know from nothing, to little, to a lot....and you will have to live with that and make peace with it right now. As soon as you have some key members that write stories there, having appealed to whatever writers you can appeal to then their followers will come in little by little. Your first key demographic right now needs to be story writers and you need to tell them, if you know them personally, why your place welcomes them and what it offers. "Not BL" is something that would attract nothing but the pettiest of dumbasses.


You will always think the BL group is 'more wrong', on that point I will tell you this, Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and to others they almost always reek. You are no different and you are no special snowflake in this respect, you will do well to not even TOUCH the topic of your ban because not accepting it and acting all angry and indignant about it just gives people more fuel to either roll their eyes or throw their tomatoes/feces at you. So piece of advice, stop that victim shit. I'm sure both you and the BL admins are exactly the same, have exactly the same damn worthless opinions and are telling everyone who will listen the million excuses they can think of as to why it wasn't their fault, it was yours....just like you are incessantly doing. Or hell, maybe they're mature or happy enough to not give a fuck.

The mods on BL were not wrong to ban you, it's their forum and if they don't want you in them they have the right to ban you from there, that they all agreed to do so seems like a perfectly valid excuse to me. Just like you are free to accept or refuse them coming to your forum. It's your place, you control it and you place the rules on what you are willing to swallow up until you explode. Behaving better is not an excuse for past behavior, the choice to back away from an argument instead of pursuing it just to beat a dead horse was yours, they decided the horse-corpse had had enough and put it out of it's misery the end, but make no mistake....they have every right to do with their creation/property/territory as they wish.

 

[Cherry_lover]

just a honest Question, if it's supposed to be a TM forum, then why the fuck there are other things like Gundam and Shonen Jump as a main Sections instead of subsections in the 'Other Fandom' one?

Well, to try to differentiate it from BL, and because Xamusel was interested in those fandoms.

Then obviously you need to give them the something that BL doesn't give or the multiple things it does not give, if your only appeal is "Like BL, but emptier and not really" then you have a horrible sales pitch right there. Forums and threads will be filled with both types of fans that know from nothing, to little, to a lot....and you will have to live with that and make peace with it right now.

Of course, but the point is that I want to actually have people around who do know what they're talking about, not just FSN anime fans.

As soon as you have some key members that write stories there, having appealed to whatever writers you can appeal to then their followers will come in little by little. Your first key demographic right now needs to be story writers and you need to tell them, if you know them personally, why your place welcomes them and what it offers. "Not BL" is something that would attract nothing but the pettiest of dumbasses.

Don't you think I don't know that already? The difficulty is working out how to get said authors to come over, as opposed to going to BL. I am intending to contact a few, though.

You will always think the BL group is 'more wrong', on that point I will tell you this, Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and to others they almost always reek. You are no different and you are no special snowflake in this respect, you will do well to not even TOUCH the topic of your ban because not accepting it and acting all angry and indignant about it just gives people more fuel to either roll their eyes or throw their tomatoes/feces at you. So piece of advice, stop that victim shit. I'm sure both you and the BL admins are exactly the same, have exactly the same damn worthless opinions and are telling everyone who will listen the million excuses they can think of as to why it wasn't their fault, it was yours....just like you are incessantly doing.

I'm not going around arguing it unless I think it's beneficial to do so, but I'm certainly not going to avoid discussing it if someone mentions it.

Or hell, maybe they're mature or happy enough to not give a fuck.

Yeah, amazing how it's a lot easier to not give a fuck about things that don't affect you, isn't it...?

The mods on BL were not wrong to ban you, it's their forum and if they don't want you in them they have the right to ban you from there, that they all agreed to do so seems like a perfectly valid excuse to me. Just like you are free to accept or refuse them coming to your forum. It's your place, you control it and you place the rules on what you are willing to swallow up until you explode. Behaving better is not an excuse for past behavior, the choice to back away from an argument instead of pursuing it just to beat a dead horse was yours, they decided the horse-corpse had had enough and put it out of it's misery the end, but make no mistake....they have every right to do with their creation/property/territory as they wish.

Frankly, I don't buy this at all. The forum belongs to the community, not to the mods. And, it certainly doesn ot justify the shitty way they treated me.

 

[Aegis]

just a honest Question, if it's supposed to be a TM forum, then why the fuck there are other things like Gundam and Shonen Jump as a main Sections instead of subsections in the 'Other Fandom' one?

Well, to try to differentiate it from BL, and because Xamusel was interested in those fandoms.

Then obviously you need to give them the something that BL doesn't give or the multiple things it does not give, if your only appeal is "Like BL, but emptier and not really" then you have a horrible sales pitch right there. Forums and threads will be filled with both types of fans that know from nothing, to little, to a lot....and you will have to live with that and make peace with it right now.

Of course, but the point is that I want to actually have people around who do know what they're talking about, not just FSN anime fans.

As soon as you have some key members that write stories there, having appealed to whatever writers you can appeal to then their followers will come in little by little. Your first key demographic right now needs to be story writers and you need to tell them, if you know them personally, why your place welcomes them and what it offers. "Not BL" is something that would attract nothing but the pettiest of dumbasses.

Don't you think I don't know that already? The difficulty is working out how to get said authors to come over, as opposed to going to BL. I am intending to contact a few, though.

You will always think the BL group is 'more wrong', on that point I will tell you this, Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and to others they almost always reek. You are no different and you are no special snowflake in this respect, you will do well to not even TOUCH the topic of your ban because not accepting it and acting all angry and indignant about it just gives people more fuel to either roll their eyes or throw their tomatoes/feces at you. So piece of advice, stop that victim shit. I'm sure both you and the BL admins are exactly the same, have exactly the same damn worthless opinions and are telling everyone who will listen the million excuses they can think of as to why it wasn't their fault, it was yours....just like you are incessantly doing.

I'm not going around arguing it unless I think it's beneficial to do so, but I'm certainly not going to avoid discussing it if someone mentions it.

Or hell, maybe they're mature or happy enough to not give a fuck.

Yeah, amazing how it's a lot easier to not give a fuck about things that don't affect you, isn't it...?

The mods on BL were not wrong to ban you, it's their forum and if they don't want you in them they have the right to ban you from there, that they all agreed to do so seems like a perfectly valid excuse to me. Just like you are free to accept or refuse them coming to your forum. It's your place, you control it and you place the rules on what you are willing to swallow up until you explode. Behaving better is not an excuse for past behavior, the choice to back away from an argument instead of pursuing it just to beat a dead horse was yours, they decided the horse-corpse had had enough and put it out of it's misery the end, but make no mistake....they have every right to do with their creation/property/territory as they wish.

Frankly, I don't buy this at all. The forum belongs to the community, not to the mods. And, it certainly doesn ot justify the shitty way they treated me.

It will never be beneficial to do so, because you're only going to favor and victimize yourself and that shit is old, stale and annoying. The Forum belongs, is moderated, controlled and it basically lives and dies with the mods. Hence why places like, say, TFF go to shit when the mod leaves and hence why TFF has transformed into a cesspool of it's own filth through slow but inevitable degradation. Your way of thinking is that of an idealist not a realist.


You are not special nor are you an exception, since you turned toxic to their environment they simply rooted you out as was their right to do so, they don't need to put up with your shit in the first place because they have both power and control over the environment they have created form themselves and managed for themselves. What has your magnificent contribution to their efforts been? Nothing I'd bet to wager, so why should they allow you to step all over them when they can simply expell you at will?

And no matter how much you complain, or pout, or refute, or deny or fight against it, it is now your reality and you'll do as well as them to put it behind you and move on. Because if you do not get over it and endlessly rehash the same whimper of words you will just wallow in your own tub of shit and do nothing worthwhile nor of interest. That is my advice to you and you would do well to take it.

 

[Cherry_lover]

It will never be beneficial to do so, because you're only going to favor and victimize yourself and that shit is old, stale and annoying.

It's beneficial to have people who actually support me and want the forum to succeed, certainly.

The Forum belongs, is moderated, controlled and it basically lives and dies with the mods. Hence why places like, say, TFF go to shit when the mod leaves and hence why TFF has transformed into a cesspool of it's own filth through slow but inevitable degradation. Your way of thinking is that of an idealist not a realist.

That does not in any way mean the mods own the forum. Indeed, the fact that TFF is still running despite having no mods for several years proves just how utterly wrong you are.

You are not special nor are you an exception, since you turned toxic to their environment they simply rooted you out as was their right to do so, they don't need to put up with your shit in the first place because they have both power and control over the environment they have created form themselves and managed for themselves. What has your magnificent contribution to their efforts been?

I wasn't "toxic", though, at least not to the extent people on here are pretending. Sure, I did have issues, but those were significantly improving.

Nothing I'd bet to wager, so why should they allow you to step all over them when they can simply expell you at will?

Because they want to actually be decent people and not assholes, perhaps?

 

[Aegis]

It will never be beneficial to do so, because you're only going to favor and victimize yourself and that shit is old, stale and annoying.

It's beneficial to have people who actually support me and want the forum to succeed, certainly.

The Forum belongs, is moderated, controlled and it basically lives and dies with the mods. Hence why places like, say, TFF go to shit when the mod leaves and hence why TFF has transformed into a cesspool of it's own filth through slow but inevitable degradation. Your way of thinking is that of an idealist not a realist.

That does not in any way mean the mods own the forum. Indeed, the fact that TFF is still running despite having no mods for several years proves just how utterly wrong you are.

You are not special nor are you an exception, since you turned toxic to their environment they simply rooted you out as was their right to do so, they don't need to put up with your shit in the first place because they have both power and control over the environment they have created form themselves and managed for themselves. What has your magnificent contribution to their efforts been?

I wasn't "toxic", though, at least not to the extent people on here are pretending. Sure, I did have issues, but those were significantly improving.

Nothing I'd bet to wager, so why should they allow you to step all over them when they can simply expell you at will?

Because they want to actually be decent people and not assholes, perhaps?

A) People who support you in your endeavor to justify and excuse you at every turn will not be beneficial to you, people who want your forum to succeed will, get that right.

B) You're looking only at the fact that TFF is working, but certainly not looking at the pile of truly self-indulgent shit it is and has become. For the most part it is either largely inactive or just a big ol' self-indulgent circle jerk.

C) You were, that so many people speak out against you and actively hate you proves as much, you are far too soft and forgiving of yourself and obviously have no idea how you force others to feel.

D) Re-read C, I was going to actually give your forum a chance, but you are...to be honest, simply so self-deluded that I'd be annoyed just to walk into the place, and I don't even hate you.

 

[Avider]

Admin pandering.

 

[Cherry_lover]

A) People who support you in your endeavor to justify and excuse you at every turn will not be beneficial to you, people who want your forum to succeed will, get that right.

Yes, you're right that I need people who will help the forum succeed, but there is nothing wrong with people disagreeing with your opinion. OK, I might not always be right, but you sure as hell aren't always right either.

B) You're looking only at the fact that TFF is working, but certainly not looking at the pile of truly self-indulgent shit it is and has become. For the most part it is either largely inactive or just a big ol' self-indulgent circle jerk.

It certainly seems to be working OK to me....

C) You were, that so many people speak out against you and actively hate you proves as much, you are far too soft and forgiving of yourself and obviously have no idea how you force others to feel.

The fact that some people hate me does not prove anything. Yes, I know I was controversial, but there are also plenty of people who definitely do like me. Further, if I was as "toxic" as you are claiming I would have been banned in considerably less than three years....

Further, I do not force people to feel anything. If you expect a world where no-one ever upsets anyone you will have a very sanitised world indeed, where no-one will ever tell the truth or speak their mind. It is true that I can be somewhat abrasive (although I am by no means the only one who that is true for), but a the people attacking me in this thread hate me because of their own prejudices and, to some extent, my past actions, not because of how I am now.

D) Re-read C, I was going to actually give your forum a chance, but you are...to be honest, simply so self-deluded that I'd be annoyed just to walk into the place, and I don't even hate you.

Right, I'm "self-deluded"? And all the people attacking me are perfectly reasonable, right...? Not to mention the people like you who are judging me without even having the foggiest clue what you are talking about....

Frankly, if anyone is deluded it's you, for believing you can judge the situation and completely absolve the mods of all blame without even actually knowing anything about me other than the fact that there are a few assholes on this forum who dislike me a lot, and without actually understanding the situation at all.

 

[trevelyan1983]

Hey, guys, what's going on i-

Oh. This shit is still going? I was working all weekend, so I didn't realize.

Moving on from my previous antagonism and faggotry, allow me to wish this new forum well.

I'm of the opinion that trying to be on par with MAHQ and BL at the same time is an insurmountable challenge, but it might build character or something.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Well, I fully agree that matching BL is going to be difficult if not impossible, but that doesn't mean I can't produce a viable forum. People are actually coming along, even if my attempts at advertising are often not that helpful....

 

[Aegis]

A) People who support you in your endeavor to justify and excuse you at every turn will not be beneficial to you, people who want your forum to succeed will, get that right.

Yes, you're right that I need people who will help the forum succeed, but there is nothing wrong with people disagreeing with your opinion. OK, I might not always be right, but you sure as hell aren't always right either.

B) You're looking only at the fact that TFF is working, but certainly not looking at the pile of truly self-indulgent shit it is and has become. For the most part it is either largely inactive or just a big ol' self-indulgent circle jerk.

It certainly seems to be working OK to me....

C) You were, that so many people speak out against you and actively hate you proves as much, you are far too soft and forgiving of yourself and obviously have no idea how you force others to feel.

The fact that some people hate me does not prove anything. Yes, I know I was controversial, but there are also plenty of people who definitely do like me. Further, if I was as "toxic" as you are claiming I would have been banned in considerably less than three years....

Further, I do not force people to feel anything. If you expect a world where no-one ever upsets anyone you will have a very sanitised world indeed, where no-one will ever tell the truth or speak their mind. It is true that I can be somewhat abrasive (although I am by no means the only one who that is true for), but a the people attacking me in this thread hate me because of their own prejudices and, to some extent, my past actions, not because of how I am now.

D) Re-read C, I was going to actually give your forum a chance, but you are...to be honest, simply so self-deluded that I'd be annoyed just to walk into the place, and I don't even hate you.

Right, I'm "self-deluded"? And all the people attacking me are perfectly reasonable, right...? Not to mention the people like you who are judging me without even having the foggiest clue what you are talking about....

Frankly, if anyone is deluded it's you, for believing you can judge the situation and completely absolve the mods of all blame without even actually knowing anything about me other than the fact that there are a few assholes on this forum who dislike me a lot, and without actually understanding the situation at all.

I am certaintly not always right, but I always make sure not to talk about key behavioral patterns and signals that I am neither privy nor knowledgeable of, so I speak less and only speak of things I know I won't be a massive fuck up about.

Your idea of TFF working is also one of those things that actually do reveal more of your inner workings than you think, it's not incredibly difficult and I am helped by the fact that people are awfully simple and identical in too many ways. As a clue, Innovation is always key, but this place has gone into a circle of repeated cycles, behaviors, pictures, comments and even the fanfiction is always the same material, which is very very sad, nevermind the lack of actual writers at all.

These same people you accuse terribly of witchunting you do not -need- to give you any second, third or eleventy billionth chance, they are free to make their own judgement of you and you have no room to make them change if they don't want to. Your behavioral past patterns are a perfectly valid belief as to why they should disregard you as a shit person.

You clearly also know -very- little of what an abusive relationship is like. I'll explain it to you. There is a victim and there is a victimizer as well and often times the two roles can be interchanged. Both parties are guilty of a failing in some way or another, one through applying the toxic situation that permeates their environment and the other through not separating himself/herself from such a situation and/or person and in turn subjecting others or the victimizer to the same treatment which repeats in an endless cycle. One of the only 100% working manners in which this relationship, abusive, addictive and repetitive as it is can change is through responsible detachment and separation of either that environment or person. The other is a much more complicated way that extends itself in a mutual manner but requires much more effort and often times simply ends in the same barrel of shit.

Right, I'm "self-deluded"? And all the people attacking me are perfectly reasonable, right...? Not to mention the people like you who are judging me without even having the foggiest clue what you are talking about....

Frankly, if anyone is deluded it's you, for believing you can judge the situation and completely absolve the mods of all blame without even actually knowing anything about me other than the fact that there are a few assholes on this forum who dislike me a lot, and without actually understanding the situation at all.

And this bullshit? This just proves you are living in your little victimization glass bubble of impenetrable sounds because if you look at what I say, you'd know full well I think both you and the admins that banned you are shit. They're not blameless, because they didn't handle the situation correctly as they should have in the first place by putting their foot down and TELL you right away what kind of shit was not going to fly and instead, from what I hear, allowing you to get away with it at all, with minor slaps on the wrist on ocassion from what I hear. Beyond that what you did was simply reach a critical explosion point in your relationship from which there was no more turning back. Also, it's not a few assholes in a forum hating you that gives you away, it's that everyone I've met so far has told me pretty much exactly how you are and that you are also far more tame in your behavior on TFF. I decided to give you a clean slate, to me you are simply guilty of what is a rather common abusive relationship, they're nothing special, there's nothing evil about them existing because everyone has been in one know it or not. But I will explain to you just where you are wrong, also please note I am using rather general terms. I have no fucking idea just how far the abuse went and I have no idea if you were also a victim which in some form you were as well, it's an addictive cycle that is difficult to stop, something that through your own doing you are perpetuating and keeping alive even now though, which is something you need to be made aware of before you fuck up even your own personal space and seeking pity as a victim just sickens me anyways, so I decided to unlurk and actually talk to you directly about it.