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Mike's behavior and purpose of creation for the forum that he creates is an issue, as it is(barring the coming of various writers and fans of them), he is his own largest obstacle and therefore at least in some respect must understand just why he would be unappealing to the groups and masses, advice has been given in many respects and his temperament has been measured in many respects as well, it's all pretty valid in which ways concerns, worries and mannerisms of thinking are validated or invalidated by what he does or does not do here.
Also, if it's not a thread for bitching then maybe the admins/mods of the new Forum should not have started with, say:
I see a ton of bitching, that was from the first page, I only picked out the nuggets
Also, if it's not a thread for bitching then maybe the admins/mods of the new Forum should not have started with, say:
I see a ton of bitching, that was from the first page, I only picked out the nuggets
The thing is that, whilst I do undoubtedly have personality flaws, it's pretty clear to me that you are trying to be an armchair psychologist and failing badly. Further, you insult me and then wonder why I'm not inclined to listen to you (although that is admittedly advice that I tend not to overlook myself rather too often).
Yeah, I am not a perfect person, and my personality definitely did contribute to me getting banned from BL (although I was improving substantially, by the admission of virtually everyone, and the mods/admins were certainly also heavily responsible for what happened, particularly in Altima's case), but some of what you're saying is just plain crap. The way it comes across to me is that you recently read a chapter of a psychology book on abuse victims without any prior understanding of the topic and therefore came to the conclusion that you had to apply that knowledge to every situation you came across.
Yeah, I am not a perfect person, and my personality definitely did contribute to me getting banned from BL (although I was improving substantially, by the admission of virtually everyone, and the mods/admins were certainly also heavily responsible for what happened, particularly in Altima's case), but some of what you're saying is just plain crap. The way it comes across to me is that you recently read a chapter of a psychology book on abuse victims without any prior understanding of the topic and therefore came to the conclusion that you had to apply that knowledge to every situation you came across.
Mike, that's why he asked if anyone else noticed the same things he did. Precisely because he didn't want to cast out judgement by himself when he wasn't an expert, and when it's easy to misunderstand things over the internet.
You were the one who kept nagging him to cast said judgement.
And really, the whole "I have my faults but at least they're not as bad as X's faults!" and "I don't have the faults you think I have!" vibes you have going? You really should stop that. It's just making you sound like you're in denial, when the best thing to do is to show them that you're not that bad. Which is admittedly hard, because you ave a track record anyone can look up. Anything on the Internet stays on the Internet.
I mean, just going from this thread, I wouldn't want to go to a forum where you're a mod unless there were some reeeaaaaaally good stories there that you can't find anywhere else. And even then, that's iffy.
You were the one who kept nagging him to cast said judgement.
And really, the whole "I have my faults but at least they're not as bad as X's faults!" and "I don't have the faults you think I have!" vibes you have going? You really should stop that. It's just making you sound like you're in denial, when the best thing to do is to show them that you're not that bad. Which is admittedly hard, because you ave a track record anyone can look up. Anything on the Internet stays on the Internet.
I mean, just going from this thread, I wouldn't want to go to a forum where you're a mod unless there were some reeeaaaaaally good stories there that you can't find anywhere else. And even then, that's iffy.
I agree that armchair psychology is utter crap, and also would enjoy to point out that once again you expect to be treated differently from how you treat others, you're far too forgiving of your own inane bullshit but expect that through the use of the same patterns you 'believe' others to be using upon you that you are in fact correct. I don't use psychology books and I refuse to so much as enter the course, what I do believe in is genetic makeup of a human and well over 2K+ dispositions that come with human breeding as well as two hundred and twenty factors that are more or less easily visible in the outer layers of a person that are as visible as Rikku's G-string. The way you come across is as a person who doesn't pay attention to what's being said, who thinks that only his/her issues are minor, forgivable and not a big deal, who demands to be given things without earning them out of a tendency to lean towards the belief that he does in fact deserve to give what he does not in fact return. You take every criticism far to personally and when you take the slightest of it you are blind to everything else that's being said as well. The topic of abuse, victim and victimizer is one I have both lived, perpetuated and studied in many ways for over five years already, this is not something new and this is not something I am unfamiliar with.
Also seriously "I'm not a perfect person"? That's the best waddle in the mudlake of yours you can do? Nobody's perfect, we already know this for a fact, this is not 'news'. The problem isn't your lack of perfection, it's your lack of self-awareness and your refusal to TRULY improve. Or do you not realize that even now all you've shown here is your regression to your very same tendencies? Not only through the immaturity of your comments, but through ignoring the actual points of debate presented as well as displaying your fanboi rage for sakura the moment she's brought up in(what you think) is any negative light even though that wasn't the root of the topic being debated.
And as stated before, you're free to think I'm full of crap, I don't think I've understated just how full of crap everyone is, myself included. Mind you not that you'll actually be capable of extracting the useful information from the pile of crap I just spewed, like I said, you'll have to hit rock bottom before you get there, everyone eventually manages to hit it
Also seriously "I'm not a perfect person"? That's the best waddle in the mudlake of yours you can do? Nobody's perfect, we already know this for a fact, this is not 'news'. The problem isn't your lack of perfection, it's your lack of self-awareness and your refusal to TRULY improve. Or do you not realize that even now all you've shown here is your regression to your very same tendencies? Not only through the immaturity of your comments, but through ignoring the actual points of debate presented as well as displaying your fanboi rage for sakura the moment she's brought up in(what you think) is any negative light even though that wasn't the root of the topic being debated.
And as stated before, you're free to think I'm full of crap, I don't think I've understated just how full of crap everyone is, myself included. Mind you not that you'll actually be capable of extracting the useful information from the pile of crap I just spewed, like I said, you'll have to hit rock bottom before you get there, everyone eventually manages to hit it
Bored now.
Enjoy the hugbox, Mike.
It may please you to learn that BL has now stopped insulting, degrading and belittling Sakura, because it's no fun without the ensuing bitchfit. In a strange twist, your absence has done her more favours than your presence ever did.
Altima turned his mind to steel and saved her. All he had to sacrifice was you.
Enjoy the hugbox, Mike.
It may please you to learn that BL has now stopped insulting, degrading and belittling Sakura, because it's no fun without the ensuing bitchfit. In a strange twist, your absence has done her more favours than your presence ever did.
Altima turned his mind to steel and saved her. All he had to sacrifice was you.
If I ever make a Type-Sakura forum I'll make sure no one is allowed to lust over her. Because it is a sin to have base feelings towards such perfection. In fact, to better protect her Holiness I won't allow anyone to post anything about her and will brainwash all members, and all the people who in their ignorance don't join, to talk about Tsukihime or Gundam instead.
Does that mean you've changed your position on the whole "how I communicate something has no bearing on the validity of the statement. People who think otherwise are stupid" thing?
Because you can't get through two paragraphs without playing the victim, making accusations of fascism or implying that you're smarter than everyone else and thus deserving of preferential treatment from everyone who interacts with you.
To wit, if criticism is going to be ignored whether it's insulting or thoughtful, people might as well insult you as they criticise. You'll take offence in either case, so why not split the difference?
Because you can't get through two paragraphs without playing the victim, making accusations of fascism or implying that you're smarter than everyone else and thus deserving of preferential treatment from everyone who interacts with you.
To wit, if criticism is going to be ignored whether it's insulting or thoughtful, people might as well insult you as they criticise. You'll take offence in either case, so why not split the difference?
He seems mostly to have a fetish for attributing everything to "victims" and "victimisers", mostly....
As for WizardOne, the only criticism I can see is criticism of the forum itself, and I don't disagree with a lot of what he's said there. And ditto Cosgrove, for that matter. I am taking on board what they have said, but actually converting that into a solution is another matter entirely....
As for WizardOne, the only criticism I can see is criticism of the forum itself, and I don't disagree with a lot of what he's said there. And ditto Cosgrove, for that matter. I am taking on board what they have said, but actually converting that into a solution is another matter entirely....
Excuse me, but that is certainly not my fetish and you should learn to use words far more correctly. And let's look at what you're saying shall we? Throughout all my comments(well let's be fair, ALMOST all of them except maybe one) you have been taking one of these few stances:
1)Ignore everything
2)Talk about Sakura(hey your fetish)
3)Talk about something that has nothing to do with the topic being covered at hand
4) Play victim
5) Claim you're not perfect
6) Excuses
That's about all that you've amounted up to, not once have you taken those criticisms and attempted to deconstruct them in order to truly make your stance, not once have you tried to look at them past the point of view of your little bubble world where everyone is 'just a mean jerk'. Not once have you been able to look at the words objectively and tried to analyze what might be true or false, because you're busy denying, evading or dismissing people entirely.
I'd be more than happy to argue the validity of my claims with you and anyone else who thinks or knows what areas I might be wrong with, who the fuck knows, I could probably be wrong about a lot of things, I'm only going from what I've seen of your behavior here and on your own thread. You might be worse or better than what I've seen so far.
However, criticism of you in regards to the forum should not be taken as irrelevant, because you are at the head of your forum and therefore because of your....credibility, attitude and behavior which are ALL known over a wide margin of the community apparently, you also act as one of the largest obstacles for your success. Not only this but your approach to how the forum is managed may also act as an obstacle, which is(in my belief) the reason as to why people are criticising you and the way you act and many of your current beliefs. Not only this but it is even you, right here and now, who are making some people draw away from the forum because of HOW you deal with this matter.
1)Ignore everything
2)Talk about Sakura(hey your fetish)
3)Talk about something that has nothing to do with the topic being covered at hand
4) Play victim
5) Claim you're not perfect
6) Excuses
That's about all that you've amounted up to, not once have you taken those criticisms and attempted to deconstruct them in order to truly make your stance, not once have you tried to look at them past the point of view of your little bubble world where everyone is 'just a mean jerk'. Not once have you been able to look at the words objectively and tried to analyze what might be true or false, because you're busy denying, evading or dismissing people entirely.
I'd be more than happy to argue the validity of my claims with you and anyone else who thinks or knows what areas I might be wrong with, who the fuck knows, I could probably be wrong about a lot of things, I'm only going from what I've seen of your behavior here and on your own thread. You might be worse or better than what I've seen so far.
However, criticism of you in regards to the forum should not be taken as irrelevant, because you are at the head of your forum and therefore because of your....credibility, attitude and behavior which are ALL known over a wide margin of the community apparently, you also act as one of the largest obstacles for your success. Not only this but your approach to how the forum is managed may also act as an obstacle, which is(in my belief) the reason as to why people are criticising you and the way you act and many of your current beliefs. Not only this but it is even you, right here and now, who are making some people draw away from the forum because of HOW you deal with this matter.
Is generally how I handled it. The easy part is saying it. The hard part is doing it. The above is the reason I tend not to post much. From what I understand people don't like the way you voice your opinions.
To Cherry claiming that how the community feels about him shouldn't affect how they feel about his forums, I have this to say: Who you have advertising is just, if not more, important as what you're advertising. If they don't like you, then the fact that you made and run this forum is a pretty good indication on whether or not they'll like it. The thinking is that likes attract. I.e. you being there will attract more like yourself. Which we've established earlier in this thread as something that they don't desire.
Now to address the actual purpose of this thread.
Having been in your current position, attempting to expand your fledgling community, I have found that the management of discussion boards as a rule of thumb dislike it when you advertise on their sites unless they are very specialized. Your best bet for spreading is social networking and word-of-mouth. A popular form of doing this is to recruit a few well known authors in the fan fiction community and seeing if they will run an endorsement in the next chapter of whatever they're writing.
To Cherry claiming that how the community feels about him shouldn't affect how they feel about his forums, I have this to say: Who you have advertising is just, if not more, important as what you're advertising. If they don't like you, then the fact that you made and run this forum is a pretty good indication on whether or not they'll like it. The thinking is that likes attract. I.e. you being there will attract more like yourself. Which we've established earlier in this thread as something that they don't desire.
Now to address the actual purpose of this thread.
Having been in your current position, attempting to expand your fledgling community, I have found that the management of discussion boards as a rule of thumb dislike it when you advertise on their sites unless they are very specialized. Your best bet for spreading is social networking and word-of-mouth. A popular form of doing this is to recruit a few well known authors in the fan fiction community and seeing if they will run an endorsement in the next chapter of whatever they're writing.
I don't recall claiming that, actually. I know full well that the people who are most likely to come over to my forum are those who actually like me personally, and those who hate me are likely to stay away. That's only natural, really, at least at this stage.
And, yeah, I will admit that my advertising skills (and communications skills in general) aren't exactly the best....
Well, yes, but TFF doesn't have any management. As for other boards, you're generally right, but then it's not like I really care if I piss off the management of BL at this point....
Honestly, that's mostly what I've been doing. But, posting on forums like this isn't going to hinder things.
Honestly, just getting them to post their fics on my forum would be a good start, especially the ones who aren't also on BL.
And, yeah, I will admit that my advertising skills (and communications skills in general) aren't exactly the best....
Well, yes, but TFF doesn't have any management. As for other boards, you're generally right, but then it's not like I really care if I piss off the management of BL at this point....
Honestly, that's mostly what I've been doing. But, posting on forums like this isn't going to hinder things.
Honestly, just getting them to post their fics on my forum would be a good start, especially the ones who aren't also on BL.
Relating to some of the recent posts (though not GiftofLove's, as he seems to have the hang of it already):
Mike has a temper, or rather (since everyone has a temper, if you push them far enough), a temper that's worse than average. He knows this, I know this, and you know this. He does not react at all well to insults. Again, we all know this. He's getting better, but still needs to improve, and has been trying to.
Therefore, when attempting to give Mike constructive criticism, please phrase it in as non-insulting a manner as possible (you don't need to be obsequious, or even all that nice, just don't be rude), so that he can read what you have to say, and think clearly about it - also so that he and the rest of us can tell that your criticism is intended to be constructive, instead of destructive.
Mike has a temper, or rather (since everyone has a temper, if you push them far enough), a temper that's worse than average. He knows this, I know this, and you know this. He does not react at all well to insults. Again, we all know this. He's getting better, but still needs to improve, and has been trying to.
Therefore, when attempting to give Mike constructive criticism, please phrase it in as non-insulting a manner as possible (you don't need to be obsequious, or even all that nice, just don't be rude), so that he can read what you have to say, and think clearly about it - also so that he and the rest of us can tell that your criticism is intended to be constructive, instead of destructive.