Nasuverse New Type-Moon Forum!

See, Kyuubi, I forgot the first rule of Victim Club;

Don't talk to Victim Club. That's "attacking them".

Don't take part in a discussion that Victim Club are already a part of. That's "you and your friends attacking them".

Don't disagree with a member of Victim Club. That's being a "biased, prejudiced asshole" who doesn't understand special libertarian individualist snowflake people.

"Now, I want you to fap to Sakura as hard as you can."
 

Cherry_lover

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Yeah, frankly, I can't be bothered to argue with your crap any more. You do not seem to comprehend that people are not all the fucking same, and the fact that I can be abrasive sometimes does not make me a fucking "abuser".

You don't even fucking know me, so stop fucking judging me.
 

Aegis

Well-Known Member
Cherry_lover said:
Yeah, frankly, I can't be bothered to argue with your crap any more. You do not seem to comprehend that people are not all the fucking same, and the fact that I can be abrasive sometimes does not make me a fucking "abuser".

You don't even fucking know me, so stop fucking judging me.
@Trev I am testing my belief once more that all people are in fact unchangeable shit with varying degrees of smell and personal affinity, it seems this belief remains rock solid.

@Cherry, All people are the same and the only degree that varies is the intensity and Hyper or Hypo degrees. You can go high or low or lean a bit to the center, but you're still subject to the same patterns of cultural, memetic and genetic behavior as everyone else, hence the reason why you are horribly predictable in everything you say and in every sob story you tell yourself about how it's everyone else and not you....it IS you and it is everyone around you. If you want to know why I think 'everyone is the same in a different degree' it's because fucking Science....also look through enough memes and (good) movies and you'll find that yes, we are so unfucing special that even HOLLYWOOD can replicate people around us to a certain degree and no individual is really different.

Also, being abrassive does make you an abuser, it's certaintly a different degree of abuse but it is emotional and verbal abuse.

vicÀtimÀize (vkt-mz)
tr.v. vicÀtimÀized, vicÀtimÀizÀing, vicÀtimÀizÀes
1. To subject to swindle or fraud.
2. To make a victim of.

1 Abusive
: characterized by wrong or improper use or action; especially : corrupt <abusive financial practices>
2
a : using harsh insulting language <an angry and abusive crowd>
b : characterized by or serving for abuse <abusive language>
c : physically injurious <abusive behavior>
 

Cosgrove

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In a way, Cherry_lover, you are right. The community should be the most important part of the forum. However, having a good mod/admin who knows when to step in is equally important.

For example, you say without mod/admin TFF is still working? Technically, yes, it is still alive. However, compared to a few years back, when Hawk was still somewhat around? It has degraded so much. There's much less content added as most of the writers I knew on the forum when I joined have not appeared/posted for a good long while.

That's without mentioning problem cases like Lord Raine or the several troll accounts, who hasn't been seen much lately but has caused a great number of problems in the past. When Hawk was present people behaved mostly, but he's gone. He hasn't shut down the forum but he's done all but that. He's locked new registration and doesn't reply to problems whatsoever.

Now, you say you don't want to be 'an adult spacebattles' and that's good. No forum that exists because its 'another forum, but better!' ever really lasts. But what DO you want your forum to be? If its 'Beast's Lair but run by Mike( that was your Beast's lair name, right Cherry_lover?)' you're setting yourself up for failure.

Because that means you aren't creating a forum for a community, you're creating it for yourself.

I'm not going to say one way or another about you because I'm not really all that involved, but you do have to admit that you do have a reputation that's not so savory. Is it justified? Can't personally say.

However, if you really want this forum to work?

Let go of what happened with Beast's lair and let this be a new opportunity to reestablish yourself. Don't respond to people trying to provoke you. You yourself said you've been working on improving yourself?

Prove it.

Care about the community of your forum. Try to post some content yourself or even abstain from commenting if you don't like a story yourself. If someone's there just to cause problems and start trouble then by all means do your duty as mod/admin. But make sure it isn't personal.

To me, a fair and moderate administration is one of the most important things for a forum. Show that you're a trustworthy admin and people will be more likely to join.

So a 'type moon' subforum, along with a few others might be a good start. However, and you will hate to hear this, you can't be just a 'type moon' forum. That niche is taken and quite firmly.

To try to be that means that your forum is nothing more than a way to get back at Beast's Lair and that you aren't willing to put in the effort to be a good admin and will drop them when you get bored. Don't be Bender with a 'Yeah, well... I'm gonna go build my own theme park, with blackjack and hookers' attitude.

Make a forum that's basic, but could appeal to people and add more sections when there's demand. How do you think TFF got most of its sections after all?

But as it is now, all you are doing by responding the way you have is tell people that, as a mod, you'll be acting the way you are right now but with power and that isn't appealing to people. By responding and taking things personally you are telling people that you aren't the kind of person who that want to be in charge of the forum they're in. Right now I'm not seeing someone I'd trust as a mod.
 
ADD Kyuubi Naruto said:
@Trev I am testing my belief once more that all people are in fact unchangeable shit with varying degrees of smell and personal affinity, it seems this belief remains rock solid.
I think you're onto something, man. I've done this song and dance routine with your man before, and I should know better. Yet, here I am again, same shit, different day.

Cherry promised that this time would be different. He promised he'd change. But three weeks later, we were arguing about how everyone who had a specially coloured name was a Nazi and a horrible human being and was being mean to him. I feel so betrayed.

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Holy shit, Cosgrove! Don't go talking about how TFF used to be awesome. That makes me sad, because there are so many faces that don't show up any more. I almost miss Timewave - and I sure as shit do miss guys like Fosfor and Mageohki.

Anyway, good to see you!
 

Aegis

Well-Known Member
trevelyan1983 said:
ADD Kyuubi Naruto said:
@Trev I am testing my belief once more that all people are in fact unchangeable shit with varying degrees of smell and personal affinity, it seems this belief remains rock solid.
I think you're onto something, man. I've done this song and dance routine with your man before, and I should know better. Yet, here I am again, same shit, different day.

Cherry promised that this time would be different. He promised he'd change. But three weeks later, we were arguing about how everyone who had a specially coloured name was a Nazi and a horrible human being and was being mean to him. I feel so betrayed.
Such is life, you do the same things in a small ever-notquite-changing spiral but at the end of the day you are the same person you have always been with minor and variable degrees of adjustments. And the worst part is that those around you are often not so different(at all sometimes). They are certainly defined through their relationships and status as what they behave like and represent, nothing more and nothing less.

@Cosgrove- As it stands, it is my belief that cherry will simply modify himself in minor ways so that he transforms into that very thing he has been criticizing and claiming to be a victim of, he already has the behavior as well as the admin hat on, so that day is not far away.
 

Cherry_lover

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Cosgrove said:
Care about the community of your forum. Try to post some content yourself or even abstain from commenting if you don't like a story yourself. If someone's there just to cause problems and start trouble then by all means do your duty as mod/admin. But make sure it isn't personal.
Well, yeah, that's what I'm attempting to do, although posting content requires me to have something to post, which takes time in itself. As for the moderation, again, I'm trying to do that, although it does get blurred by the fact that the people I tend to hate are precisely the ones who seem to me to be trolls, and thus need dealing with....

To me, a fair and moderate administration is one of the most important things for a forum. Show that you're a trustworthy admin and people will be more likely to join.
Well, of course.

So a 'type moon' subforum, along with a few others might be a good start. However, and you will hate to hear this, you can't be just a 'type moon' forum. That niche is taken and quite firmly.
Perhaps, but there's no clear alternative either.

But as it is now, all you are doing by responding the way you have is tell people that, as a mod, you'll be acting theá way you are right now but with power and that isn't appealing to people. By responding and taking things personally you are telling people that you aren't the kind of person who that want to be in charge of the forum they're in. Right now I'm not seeing someone I'd trust as a mod.
That's not true, though. I am arguing this on here, not on my forum....
 

Aegis

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Your forum is mainly inactive, all mods activity have had to be delegated to a fifth mod and the fact that you are still trying to defend your case without any sense of actual common sense or logical realism speaks volumes to what your ability is. You have somehow managed in a short time delegate duties four times over.
 

Cherry_lover

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ADD Kyuubi Naruto said:
Your forum is mainly inactive, all mods activity have had to be delegated to a fifth mod and the fact that you are still trying to defend your case without any sense of actual common sense or logical realism speaks volumes to what your ability is. You have somehow managed in a short time delegate duties four times over.
What? There are only two mods, not five. The other two are admins.

And, yes, I will admit that I do not fully trust my own ability as an admin, which is why I appointed Xamusel and Elf as well. I can do the technical stuff, but diplomacy I'm not so great at....
 

Cosgrove

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Cherry_lover said:
But as it is now, all you are doing by responding the way you have is tell people that, as a mod, you'll be acting theá way you are right now but with power and that isn't appealing to people. By responding and taking things personally you are telling people that you aren't the kind of person who that want to be in charge of the forum they're in. Right now I'm not seeing someone I'd trust as a mod.
That's not true, though. I am arguing this on here, not on my forum....
You're missing the point, though. By posting and fighting here, where you don't have authority, you're giving bad press about your forum. Ultimately, you represent your own forum and what you do reflects back upon it for better or worse.

When Hawk was active, for example, he was known as a mostly hands-off mod that was fair but had his limits. TFF was a place people could preview stories that were supposed to ultimately go to FF.net. It was a wide variety for that and was one of the reasons it attracted people because they actually wanted criticism.

I understand you want a type-moon presence there. That's obvious, but what KIND of forum is it supposed to be? It is a place where, for the majority, people post stories and comment upon them? Is it a place for people to RP? Is it a general place for discussion?

Fro example, have you tried to contact authors of type-moon/other fanfics and go 'I have a forum here that's starting, would you mind coming and posting previews/chapters so my members have something to discuss/we can give you some comments? And if people know of you maybe go 'I know I don't have the best reputation, but I'm trying to turn over a new leaf if you don't mind giving my forum a chance.'

I mean it won't always work out, but if you show people you're willing to try it might work. And if they turn you don't/are rude, then you fake a smile and politely say 'well that's your decision and I respect it. Even if they're rude and belligerent because it shows you're the better man because you don't drop to their level. And if you do get get them to come, then let them post and be polite.

It means sometimes tolerating people you don't like sometimes if they're willing to follow the rules because that's part of being an impartial mod. If you allow grudges from another forum to effect your current one, you shouldn't be surprised if people also do the same.

Right now, more than necessarily posting content yourself is going to authors other forums and ff.net and asking if they'd like to join. If there's time you're spending arguing with people here, then you could be emailing people about your forum politely. You have to be able to put your forum's needs before your personal grudges.

As for the forum itself I'd recommend basic rules and a statement that says this is not SB/BL/TFF/ETC Any grudges from there will not be tolerated here this goes for the mods/admins as well. That's the best way to show you have your forums interest at heart, so long as you keep to it. And yes, that would mean that if one of the people that banned you joins, that means you let them and leave them alone so long as they follow the rules and if they break them you can then inflict moderation as your unbiased rules say they should apply.

You cannot target anyone even if they make it clear they're X from Y and you hate them so long as they don't break rules. Because if you can manage that and be fair and impartial then your a good admin and acting as the better man even if they provoke you.

But that means you also have to, again, watch what you do and say outside the forum because your actions will reflect upon it. Its a job to be an admin, not a hobby, and that means that you have to devote yourself to it like a real job. Not that it should consume your real life, but enough that the people on the forum know that you are actually putting enough time and effort into it.
 

Aegis

Well-Known Member
Cherry_lover said:
ADD Kyuubi Naruto said:
Your forum is mainly inactive, all mods activity have had to be delegated to a fifth mod and the fact that you are still trying to defend your case without any sense of actual common sense or logical realism speaks volumes to what your ability is. You have somehow managed in a short time delegate duties four times over.
What? There are only two mods, not five. The other two are admins.

And, yes, I will admit that I do not fully trust my own ability as an admin, which is why I appointed Xamusel and Elf as well. I can do the technical stuff, but diplomacy I'm not so great at....
What technical stuff? Being a Mod/Admin of a thread isn't really a non-social job when the job is through a fully intentional social medium.

Also I keep looking through your thread and find that you're pretty much the only person making posts that kind of irk me by nature alone, that's without counting the posts of you blaming someone else for your failings, putting yourself as the victim of something or simply failing to realize why you're wrong at all and being able to at any level accept personal responsibility. Also you strike me as a hypocrite in the terms of the treatment you expect to be given and the treatment you actually give out to others, so that's also a minus I guess. And just like Cosgrove said, you do kind of represent your own community and quite honestly....I'd probably have already joined your own community if you WEREN'T the one at the helm and this is from having just met you now.

It may sound harsh or antagonistic but you just..........well you seem like you're just no good on a first and continuous flow of impressions. Being asked to trust you feels the same as being trusted to ask LR to respect people's opinions and thoughts. It might be that your shit affinity is counter to my own shit affinity, but......well you just seem like high high high on the shit-o-meter. And I usually give people quite a few chances before giving up on them and marking them as unbearable......how to say it, it's like I instantly cannot stand you and doubt that my usual 'talk with this guy like a person and try to get to know him' will work...exactly because of that behavioral pattern that you display here.

It's not that you strike me as a bad person, no, that'd be so much easier to deal with. It's that you strike me as someone who doesn't realize just how bad he/she is, who smells bad when he doesn't take a shower but yells at people for telling him about it. You're not 'evil' or anything, rather you're just exasperating to deal with and annoying at the core of your person and that's because even when trying to change, and I believe you have, at your core you remain so much the same and are blinded by your attempt to try and your inability to go through with it by laying the blame on others that simply dismissing you and all your efforts becomes so much easier. Every effort you attempt is almost always deleted due to the fact that the moment a semblance of personal responsibility comes up, owning up to your failings properly and cutting off the cycle yourself, you freeze, revert and go back to zero, more importantly you do it quite clearly in front of everyone so you may as well be mooning them with your ass in display

I'm saying this from a neutral standpoint of course. Good luck with your forum.
 

Cherry_lover

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Cosgrove said:
Fro example, have you tried to contact authors of type-moon/other fanfics and go 'I have a forum here that's starting, would you mind coming and posting previews/chapters so my members have something to discuss/we can give you some comments? And if people know of you maybe go 'I know I don't have the best reputation, but I'm trying to turn over a new leaf if you don't mind giving my forum a chance.'

I mean it won't always work out, but if you show people you're willing to try it might work. And if they turn you don't/are rude, then you fake a smile and politely say 'well that's your decision and I respect it. Even if they're rude and belligerent because it shows you're the better man because you don't drop to their level. And if you do get get them to come, then let them post and be polite.
I've contacted some, yes, and I intend to contact others.

It means sometimes tolerating people you don't like sometimes if they're willing to follow the rules because that's part of being an impartial mod. If you allow grudges from another forum to effect your current one, you shouldn't be surprised if people also do the same.
Well, I am absolutely willing to tolerate people who I don't like. If I wasn't, CV would have been banned already. However, I'm not going to be one of those mods who lays down strict rules and expects them to be followed to the letter, because frankly that just encourages trolls, and that is not the sort of forum I want.

As for the forum itself I'd recommend basic rules and a statement that says this is not SB/BL/TFF/ETC Any grudges from there will not be tolerated here this goes for the mods/admins as well. That's the best way to show you have your forums interest at heart, so long as you keep to it.
Well, yes, and so far I've not been going after people based on past grudges. Although, that isn't the same as using my past knowledge of people's actions in making judgements.

And yes, that would mean that if one of the people that banned you joins, that means you let them and leave them alone so long as they follow the rules and if they break them you can then inflict moderation as your unbiased rules say they should apply.
Well, I absolutely intend to take that approach (indeed, I'm pretty sure one of them already has joined, although he didn't announce it), aside from the fact that, as I said, I do not believe that having legalistically-defined rules that are rigidly enforced is a good way to run a forum. Trolls will invariably dance around those rules, whereas people who are genuine but sometimes abrasive will fall foul of them.

You cannot target anyone even if they make it clear they're X from Y and you hate them so long as they don't break rules. Because if you can manage that and be fair and impartial then your a good admin and acting as the better man even if they provoke you.
Well, again, I agree entirely that it's wrong to target people because I hate them. What I'm not at all convinced about is the idea of having "breaks the rules" as the sole determinator of what someone is like. I intend to be fair and impartial, but that does not mean just rigidly imposing the rules even when doing so leads to an unfair outcome. I am not that sort of person.

But that means you also have to, again, watch what you do and say outside the forum because your actions will reflect upon it. Its a job to be an admin, not a hobby, and that means that you have to devote yourself to it like a real job. Not that it should consume your real life, but enough that the people on the forum know that you are actually putting enough time and effort into it.
Well, yes, I guess this is true. I do need to be more careful about how I come across here.
 

Aegis

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I'm curious, I've now seen you talk about Sakura in a forum and I've noticed a certain tendency that mirrors the way you think about yourself, the way in which you treat/speak of her and the way you treat/speak of other characters that mirrors the way you treat others(that oppose your view point), I am hoping this is just accidental on my end, but yeah, I think I understand your workings a lot better now. Of course it's not in just the way you treat or speak to others, but also the expectations you hold and the viewpoint you employ during such events that leads me to such a conclusion.

Since it might be just me, here's the thread in question

<a href='http://forums.darksidemoon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=123' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://forums.darksidemoon.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=123</a>

Can someone tell me if they notice the same tendency? I might have simply gone crazy or something.
 

Aegis

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Cherry_lover said:
OK, can you please enlighten me as to what you are talking about...?
I'd like someone else to look this over before I cast any actual judgement myself because while I am unsure it is true, it feels like your behavior is explainable in parallel to the behavior with which you treat the fictional character known as Sakura Matou, but in order to not be unfair I've decided to see if anyone other than me can draw parallels between said behavior and the behavior/speech you've used here so far. Nothing so huge as to judge you by your past, but judging your behavioral patterns by your present and more recent states of mind instead in the two most well-behaved environments that you have managed to find for yourself.
 

Cherry_lover

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What, exactly, are you implying about my behaviour?

And, it is of course true that the way I think about Sakura is linked to my personality more generally, that's how people tend to work. I know it's not real, but fictional stories simply wouldn't work if they didn't evoke emotional reactions in the reader, and those reactions are naturally going to be dependant on your general nature as a person.
 

Aegis

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Cherry_lover said:
What, exactly, are you implying about my behaviour?

And, it is of course true that the way I think about Sakura is linked to my personality more generally, that's how people tend to work. I know it's not real, but fictional stories simply wouldn't work if they didn't evoke emotional reactions in the reader, and those reactions are naturally going to be dependant on your general nature as a person.
Oh it's not general, it's mirror. There's a mirrored tendency I should be clear about that from the get go. I'm not implying 'anything', I won't pussy foot around the subject. While reading that thread and going back to this one I found that in the same way that you 'defend' yourself from others, you 'defend' Sakura and her behaviors. Particulary in the way that "everything she(you) does(do) is an enabling excuse to get what she(you) desire(s). To expand upon this one must also explore the roles of a victim and a victimizer to understand the complexity of such a statement because it is also hopelessly bound to your behavior as a person and the worldview you have as you comprehend it. It is not so simple as one 'getting one's way', but rather the behavior you expect from others and the behavior you find acceptable within yourself in turn as well. It showed a rather persistent inflexibility in the things you find acceptable or allowable, to the point which you of course, denied some of your members their point of view, attempting to supplant it with your own as if your 'opinion' were inherently better. And while you find yourself so amazingly forgiving of Sakura's behavior, Rin's own behavior you find unacceptable and almost irredeemable in turn, when presented with any not-sakura choice, not even as an attempt to convince you otherwise, but rather in a thread where everyone SHOULD be free to express their 'favorite pairing' as expressed by you. I will say this much, most victims end up as victimizers, it is without a doubt that Sakura is an antagonist, an enabler and a victimizer herself, just as you are. I do have more analysis to give out if you'd like, but this was probably the first thing I noticed
 

Cherry_lover

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ADD Kyuubi Naruto said:
I will say this much, most victims end up as victimizers, it is without a doubt that Sakura is an antagonist, an enabler and a victimizer herself, just as you are. I do have more analysis to give out if you'd like, but this was probably the first thing I noticed
Yeah, frankly, regardless of what you might think about me, this comment shows a complete lack of understanding of Sakura's character and situation.

Further, I would like you to point out what, exactly, of Sakura's behaviour I'm so forgiving of, aside from stuff it is entirely unreasonable to hold her responsible for. And, Nasu certainly doesn't think of her as evil or a "victimiser" (and, I'd really like you to explain who exactly Sakura victimises...), although I do accept she is not perfect.

Also, to claim that Sakura acts solely to obtain her own desires is laughable. If that were true she would have sent Rider after Shirou to capture him for her own ends. She certainly wouldn't have sat out of the war. Sakura is generally passive due to her abuse, but when Zouken outright tells her to reach out and take what she wants, she refuses because it would mean hurting Shirou. Even though she fully expects to be thrown to the worms for refusing.

And, frankly, you need to look at yourself, because you seem absolutely obssessed with the idea of everyone being a "victim" or a "victimiser", as well as having a massively overblown confidence in your own amateur psychology.

Further, there is absolutely nothing whatsoever wrong with arguing a point or expressing your opinion. I was not in any way forcing my opinion on others, I didn't sit there and demand that everyone like Shirou x Sakura and delete any posts opposed to it (which I could have done if I wanted to). I merely expressed my opinion and argued with the opinion of people who I disagreed with, which is the whole damn point of a discussion thread.
 
and it goes again.....
and Mike.. he wans't talking about Sakura being the victim/Victimizer whatchamacall it, he doesn't even care about that, he was talking about YOU, but meh, do what you want as long as it's far from me and i can't see/hear/know about it.
 

Aegis

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shioran toushin said:
and it goes again.....
and Mike.. he wan't talking about Sakura being the victim/Victimizer whatchamacall it, he doesn't even care about that, he was talking about YOU, but meh, do what you want as long as it's far from me and i can't see/hear/know about it.
Well I don't see Mike being so much as capable as understanding words, he only seems to listen to the fantasy Disney breakdown of what others say so in reality it's hopeless to expect any sort of breakthrough regarding his character because he doesn't even know himself at all. What I am interested is in other people's opinions about the subject I brought up and if they see or have seen any opposing or connecting view point to my little theory.


@Mike- As you obviously cannot hold a mature conversation about the self and about your own behavior regardless of the degree, nor understand the basic language needed to follow the flow of conversation, I'm not going to continue the argument with you. Self-delusion is a powerful thing and until you come to the realization of what you really are like, of how relationships work, of how people work, of what it is you do and say that causes harm to those around you and isolates you, you will simply have to continue to make your same mistakes in an endless spiral until you reach rock bottom so hard that you are forced into realizing the things you are currently missing. I hope you reach that point sooner rather than later before it becomes too late and you become too cornered to take anything back and properly deal with the problems that will be and have been plaguing you.
 

WizardOne

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ADD Kyuubi, I have to say this because I've been thinking it for the last two pages, but my GOD you sound like a massive faggot.

Thats all I really have to say.
 

Aegis

Well-Known Member
WizardOne said:
ADD Kyuubi, I have to say this because I've been thinking it for the last two pages, but my GOD you sound like a massive faggot.

Thats all I really have to say.
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and they all smell bad to everybody else(with varying degrees of smell). It's 50 shades of shit and neither me or you or even Mike are different. I stand by what I said and you can think of me as a faggot as much as you like, not a bad POV to have.
 
WizardOne said:
ADD Kyuubi, I have to say this because I've been thinking it for the last two pages, but my GOD you sound like a massive faggot.

Thats all I really have to say.
Unfortunately, ADD likes tits too much to be a faggot. You may want to pick a different insult.
 

Aegis

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GenocideHeart said:
WizardOne said:
ADD Kyuubi, I have to say this because I've been thinking it for the last two pages, but my GOD you sound like a massive faggot.

Thats all I really have to say.
Unfortunately, ADD likes tits too much to be a faggot. You may want to pick a different insult.
He should try know-it-all, Narcissistic asshole, because that's what I sound like when I bare my ass like this at random.
 
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