Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Shirotsume said:
mortalone said:
Tsunade's super strength was explicitly stated to be a chakra control technique.
Between when Kabuto attacked her and when she lifted Bunta's tanto, she had used her Genesis Rebirth technique.
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It is possible that she may even have less physical strength than Kakashi. To a ninja, this does not matter. This is a manga where an old man with back problems can fly around and smash things up. That's just the kind of story this is.
Tsunade's strength is explicitly called the pinnacle of what a human can achieve, then boosted with chakra to go beyond physical limits.
What crack are you reading on?
You are combining two ideas in the wrong manner. Nowhere is it stated that she has the most strength canonically before chakra enhancement. That is just plain wrong.
No, I'm combining them correctly. Read.
Now that's just lazy. If you have a panel you want me to read, then link it. Otherwise, no, I am quite convinced you are wrong.
See, I don't know exactly what you are thinking, but my guess is that you are making the mistake most people make in thinking about chakra through the eyes of a westerner. This isn't like "mana." Chakra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra) continually flows through all living things. Without chakra you are dead, period. Without chakra flowing through your arm it will not move, period. (that is why Jyuuken works, and why it is so effective.) Tsunade is able to control the flow of that chakra to reach the maximum possible level of strength. However, that is a
technique, not something she could do without chakra control. If she does not control her chakra she is no stronger than anybody else.
The problem here is that Narutoverse!chakra is inspired by realworld!chakra, but it's been given extra attributes that make that kind of reasoning get shaky- so much so that it's unclear if it can be applied.
"We've seen what adding chakra does- it adds force. Jumping off the bridge, pushing off trees harder, creating explosions. All we've seen is chakra releases, we have never once seen augmentation- there's nothing that even says it exists."
tl;dr: We're trying to apply real world stuff to something that's explained by rule of cool in a manga for kids. We're probably not gonna get far here, though it'd be cool to throw ideas back and forth.
The fundamentals are clearly tied together. Obviously the exact details of chakra mechanics differ, but everything from Sage Mode to the Hachimon to the Byakkugan/Jyuuken to the Sharingan's predictive abilities points to a close relation in the fundamentals.
I'm hardly an expert on chakra and even if I were, there's no one unifying theory, but it's important to remember that chakra flows through you every time your heart beats. It may be possible to stop your chakra for a split second (there are beliefs about Buddhist monks being able to temporarily stop their heart -- this has been partially verified in the real world as some monks can reduce their heartbeat to very, very low levels -- or even somebody else's creating a temporary death state), but as a general rule, if you are alive, chakra is flowing through you.
This means that there are three ways to get physically stronger:
1.) Build stronger muscles. (Ninja seem to avoid this. There are disadvantages to being larger.)
2.) Increase the quantity of chakra flowing through your muscles. (As in how Naruto stopped Orochimaru's summon in the Forest of Death.)
3.) Use chakra control to focus the release your bodies physical energy. (Tsunade's super strength.)
Ninja seem to rely on a combination of (2) and (3). Tsunade has taken (3) to it's absolute theoretical limit and has a very strong chakra giving her a lot of (2) as well.
But this is why I said that it's possible that "she may even have less physical strength than Kakashi." What I meant is that her muscles themselves are not stronger. In fact, given that she supposedly weighs only 48.9kg (108 pounds), she can't be very muscular at all. Muscle tissue is denser than fat. Of course this may be Kishimoto not knowing how to do math (how the fuck is Tayuya only 38.2kg...) but my point stands.
The reason she is stronger is she beats him soundly in (2) and whips his ass in (3). That's her super strength technique.