Evangelion Possible Super Robot Taisen/NGE xover I thought up

GenocideHeart · Nov 2, 2006

Okay, the basics are simple. For starters, it's a SRTOG xover, with the following points:

-Shinji is NOT EVA-01's pilot. Instead, he gets drafted by Project SRX/ATX, who anticipate NERV, into being a pilot for them. The way he's drafted is much like what happens to Ryusei, and he's actually good at (and a fan of) piloting simulation games.

-Incidentally, Kensuke Aida also is drafted as a pilot. Hey, I like the military freak, and I'm sure he'd wet himself if he could pilot even a MP Gespenst, let alone a limited-production test model. :snigger:

-Touji Suzuhara is emergency-drafted as the Third Child, but as you can imagine, he's not quite up to par with Shinji. :snigger: Needless to say, Gendo is more than a little miffed at Project SRX/ATX drafting his son before he could put him to use.

-Essentially, the story is very similar to the canon NGE, but there's additional friction between Shinji's team and NERV, since unlike the Jet Alone series, the Project SRX/ATX PTs and Super Robots are actually effective against Angels. There might even be a fight between EVAs and Shinji's team later on. :snigger:

-I'm on the fence about having the SRTOG Aerogators be the source of the Angels. We never know where the Angels come from, do we? :snigger:

Also, some backup pilots from Team SRX/ATX have the names of some TFF regulars. :snigger: to give you an idea, while Shinji's team commander is Sanger Zonvolt (he's cool like that), the Vice Commander is our very own Hawk, in the role of 'Nicholas Jonsson'. :snigger: Other pilots include SimmyC and EagleCeres, while Hawker has a PT named after him.

If anyone wants to be a minor pilot or a PT, tell me here, with their preferences. And if you don't want to be a pilot, also tell me. I'll remove you.

That... is all. Comments?

SimmyC · Nov 2, 2006

You want comments? Okay, I'll give you a comment. Interesting idea.

There, happy? What? You wanted more? :unsure:

Too bad! You're talking to someone who hasn't played SRT. :lol:

Fatuous One · Nov 2, 2006

I would find it amusing if Asuka was a fan of 'ze Super Robots when she was a kid, and gets a bit of 'robot envy' when she runs into the other group.

And... Hmm... how about Shinji having his father's fashion sense? ("So, Shinji-kun, what color do you want it?" "Uhm... Purple, with green lining?" "...") Dumb, I know, but so is 01's color scheme.

Also, a question comes to mind in the later stages. Would Kaworu go to NERV (where Adam/Lilith is) or to... wherever Shinji might be at the time? Seemingly, he'd go to NERV but... eh, just a pondering. If you go by manga, he'd come rather early.

Oh, and CAN Touji even pilot 01? I mean, until Shinji arrived, it wouldn't even move. It's got Yui's soul in it after all... not... whomever else.

GenocideHeart · Nov 2, 2006

Fatuous One said:

I can se her positively drooling over either Grungust or Giganscudo, yes. :snigger:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Almost as evil as Hawk's idea of having his counterpart get a pink paintjob on his mecha.

Depends on which side most draws his interest. I can see him at least temporarily hanging around Team SRX/ATX.

I spoke to Innortal about this. The general idea is that yes, Touji can pilot 01, but he'll be more prone to lose control of it and go berserk.

Hawk · Nov 2, 2006

> Almost as evil as Hawk's idea of having his counterpart get a pink paintjob on
> his mecha.

Well, I aim to please.

...

Uh, no. Scratch that. I aim to tease, joke around and generally make an arse out of myself.

> Depends on which side most draws his interest. I can see him at least
> temporarily hanging around Team SRX/ATX.

"Hiho, here comes the little neighbour. Do you have a spare cup of sugar I could borrow?".

Yeah, I can definitively see Kaworu popping over for a visit or two, if nothing else.

At least if Shinji is still the one meant to play a big part in the angel wars and is the one meant to trigger 3I. In that case, he's prolly so interested in Shinji that he can't help himself from sodding over to check him out.

If Shinji isn't meant to play a big part, due to his non-involvement with NERV, he's probably not all that interested in Shinji.

> I spoke to Innortal about this. The general idea is that yes, Touji can pilot 01,
> but he'll be more prone to lose control of it and go berserk.

In exactly what part of the Eva's are the souls loccated, was it ever said? If it's not a case of the soul inhabiting the entire Eva, they could probably switch the part with Yui's soul for one with Touji's moms soul for increased combability.

( Though there will probably be plenty of Gendo-teeth gnashing about it... But since when has the plight of Gendo ever been something we here at TFF care overly much about?

)

zeebee1 · Nov 2, 2006

Seeing as I haved played through SRTOG a time or two, my main concern is that I don't think there would really be much of competition between the evangenlions and even one super robot. The evenagelions are just underpowerd. Especially when you can consider that the ATX or SRX could just belt them with powerful ranged attacks, while only being targetted with weak machine gun fire and the occasionla particle beam.

GenocideHeart · Nov 2, 2006

zeebee1 said:

That's a good point, but for the most part, the enemies would be the Angels. Although... I DO plan to have Shuu Shirakawa, in the Granzon, be with SEELE, and thus an enemy later on.

But yes, the focus would be more on relationships between pilots, and between rival teams, than about the fights.

Christopher Robin · Nov 2, 2006

It doesn't entirely relate, but wasn't NGE actually IN one of the SRW games? 64 maybe? I can't remember, I didn't play that one. I think Shinji joined the Alpha Numbers, gained a spine, and prevented 3I in it.

Anyway, while the EVA are weak on offense, they still have AT fields. And short of SRX or Granzon, it takes a lot to pierce one. And this applies to the Angels, too.

I think you need to work on the backstory a little more, though. I mean, you said the SRX/ATX Projects anticipate NERV. So, how did they do that? Are we replacing the Aerogaters with the Angels? And if Shuu works for SEELE, does this mean no DC, or are they working for SEELE too? For that matter, who's funding and running the projects, since NGE doesn't have the Feds?

I suppose what I really want to know is if you're shoving the SRX/ATX teams into the NGE story, shoving the EVA guys into the OG story, or combining them.

GenocideHeart · Nov 2, 2006

Christopher Robin said:

The Evangelions were in F, FF, Alpha, Alpha Gaiden and MX. In all series, they were low Super Robot level, since their AT fields would get overwhelmed by late game Super Robots, and in Alpha, they actually had trouble standing up to Sanger's Super Robot (an evolution of the Grungust).

In general, Supers in SRW have more than enough firepower to pierce an AT field with ease (Granzon can punch holes in the Moon with the regular Black Hole Cluster, and SRX leveled a mountain once, IIRC). It's the normal Personal Troopers, save for high end ones like the Alteisen, that may have trouble.

Also note that in SRTOG, the Weissritter carries a photon rifle like the one used by 01 to pierce the 5th Angel's AT field (Oxtongue Rifle), and it's one of its standard weapons.

As for the story...

Basically, Shuu is *part* of SEELE in this fic, but he has his own agenda, which is NOT compatible with SEELE's own plans. The SRX/ATX team (whose name I'll change) was created as part of the plan to stop a future alien invasion which was the base of OG, which turns out to be the Angels (which, incidentally, are on the Aerogaters' side - more specifically, the Aerogater forces designed them).

The SRX/ATX project is actually funded by Shuu himself, in a roundabout way. They are part of his own agenda, which is more similar to that of SRW3 (meaning he's being influenced by Volkruss), than to that of OG.

I'm still on the fence on using Bian Zoldark in this fic, although since Aerogaters are involved, it'd make sense, since Shuu having his own agenda means he may well be working for the Divine Crusaders. In the end, all sides want the same thing (destroy the Angels), but everyone is going about it their own way. Typical human confused behavior. :snigger:

Feel free to suggest improvements to the plot. I don't mind.

Christopher Robin · Nov 2, 2006

I really need to finish OG. Meh.

Alright, so what about Second Impact? No wait, let's back up. Dead Sea Scrolls and Human Instrumentality Project. One assumes the Aerogaters can't advance evolution really, so is SEELE still following that goal, or are they fighting the AG? The original plot makes a little less sense if the Angels are just aliens instead of... whatever they were.

So, anyway, SEELE knows the Angels are coming. They (one assumes) follow the canon plan and create NERV, run by Gendo. Meanwhile, Shuu (who's working for SEELE in some way) decides to do things his own way, and secretly funds the ATX and SRX projects.

Cut the the beginning of NGE, just as Shinji should be summoned to Tokyo-3. Before this can happen, he's recruited by the... whatever the group is called (they aren't the feds, since this universe has no world government) before that can happen, the same way Ryusei is in OG canon, thru Burning PT. Gendo is displeased, and is forced to grab Touji to replace him.

The Angels appear. Both sides start to fight them. (Man, where's the ATX/SRX teams hiding then? NERV owns Tokyo-3, but if they teams are somewhere else, they can't interact with the NGE cast.)

Actually, there aren't enough Angels now that I think of it, and they come one at a time. It's more like a series of duels instead of a war. I guess the Banpresto team shows up and then tries to see if they can kill each Angel faster than the EVAs. Hm, and if the Angels are Aerogaters, does this mean they can't cause Third Impact? If the AG can create world destroying exploding aliens, it seems like a silly way to go about destroying the world.

Also, while Zoldark would be cool, that requires bringing in the DC. And the EOT stuff, which requires the Meteors. And the DC were actually the Feds who basically changed sides, and they had like, mass produced PTs, and where did we get THOSE, since this universe basically only has the EVAs, SRX, and ATX and no Feds? Unless you want to change the UN to the Feds, which might work, except now are the Banpresto Teams working for them with Shuu pulling the strings?

Oh and... Cybuster. Are we gonna have Masaki? You can't have Shuu without Masaki.

GenocideHeart · Nov 3, 2006

Christopher Robin said:

Regarding that, Aerogaters are implied to have been created by the Einst, who also are the ones who reshaped Excellen after the shuttle crash accident that involved her and Kyosuke in their early years.

The Einst imply that they can manipulate evolution, so that might be a starting point.

And yes, those are OG2 plot points. Sorry if it's a spoiler, but thsi idea can't be explained that easily without them.

At any rate, Angels are supposedly a type of Aerogater terraformer in this idea, meaning that the Impacts are attempts to terraform Earth into a suitable environment for the invaders. The whole evolution business is a side effect.

So far, correct.

Yes, pretty much, although I was more thinking along the line of Shuu getting ahold of the Marduk Institute data (easy, since it's a SEELE institution), and picking promising pilots among them. Since they don't need the whole sync nonsense, both Shinji and Kensuke end up being eligible (and yes, I like Kensuke. Sue me. He deserves his 10 minutes of fame). Thus, Shuu can grab Shinji anytime between him being screened by the Marduk Institute and the series' start. The Burning PT tournament is just the way to run the final test on both Shinji and Kensuke.

The ATX/SRX team is directly under a high ranking SEELE's control. They could be in Gendo's backyard, and unless Shuu wanted him to know, he'd never get a clue.

That said, their base is stationed in the mountains near Tokyo-3. Shuu KNOWS where the Angels are gonna show up, so it makes sense.

The Aerogaters aren't known for being ace strategists, as the game shows pretty accurately. As for the Angels, they aren't the only ones to show up. Once most of the initial Angels are destroyed, Aerogater units will also show up as support, making things more hairy. The SRX/ATX team and NERV will eventually have to cooperate, because either side can handle an Angel alone, but when they are supported by the other Aerogater units, things get messy.

At any rate, there'll be a couple of times where the two teams will butt head since they are question marks to each other (neither side is aware of the other's situation, so they see amateurs trying to mess things up).

Yes, that's why while I'm tempted to use Bian, I don't think I will. It's a pity, really.

Yes, that's pretty much a requirement. It also paves the way for a possible sidestory/sequel in La Gias.

alansg · Nov 3, 2006

Actually, the Aerogaters are just one of the 7 fleets of the Ze Balmary Empire. They don't have any relation with the Einst, but they know each other. The Balmarians (along with the Earthnoids and most of the humanoid aliens that live in the this galaxy) share a common origin. But saying more can spoil a lot of the plot for future STR:OG.

This is an interesting point of discussion for SRT veterans. In the Alpha series, Revi Tora and Ingram weren't the only "commanders" in the battlefield. They had people like Scirroco (from Z Gundam) and Shapiro (from Dancougar), along with Yuuzes (he tried to absorb Eva unit 00, but Rei selfdestructed) and Judecca. That means that what we saw of the Balmarians in OG is just a very small part of it's army. We still have to deal with the rest of the Aerogaters and the other fleets.

Now that I remember, when SRW F/F Final was published, the End of Eva was still in development. Because of that, Banpresto created an original background and ending for Eva:

-The angels were created by the Zuvorg, an alien race that think they can be the judge of the galaxy. If they consider that humans have become to dangerous for them, just send an angel and voila, no more humans.
-The Second Impact was caused by the meteor that had the EOT. In this game, it also had an Angel (Adam), wich was recovered by Gendo.
-Depengin of you actions in the game, one of the last battles can be against all the angels AT THE SAME TIME. If Shinji delivers the last attack to Kaworu, he will go all emo and Third Impact begins. BAD END.

GenocideHeart · Nov 3, 2006

alansg said:

Hmm, thanks for the clarification. That was a bit of a confusing plot point.

Now THIS is interesting. Wonder if I could adapt it to this fic a bit, changing it just enough to not be a copy/rehash?

Also, LOL @ Shinji going emo and triggering 3rd Impact.

Dark Knight Gafgar · Nov 3, 2006

Are you talking about regular Super Robot Taisen, or the mecha crossover Super Robot Taisen Wars (or whatever it's called)? Because Shinji piloting a Zaku or Aestivalis would totally pwn.

Edit: WICKED EVIL IDEA - Shinji as a Gekiganger otaku!

alansg · Nov 3, 2006

Don't worry about you fic having the same scenes. I don't know how many times someone has tried to drop Axis/Solomon/Devil Colony/Orphan/[insert random huge object here]. Hell, the End of Eva scenario with Asuka fighting the MP Evas has been made 3 times already.

I suppose GenocideHeart is trying to make a fic using only SRT and Eva. A regular Super Robot Wars fic must be a suicide for most writers, because of the quantity of series and characters.

And Shinji piloting another mecha... I can only imagine him inside a Bonta-kun suit.

Dark Knight Gafgar · Nov 3, 2006

exar · Nov 3, 2006

*Ahem*

Gendo carefully pushed his glasses up his nose. The new ones
didn't sit right, not at all like the ones that were ruined when
unit zero went berserk. He looked down at Shinji on the causeway
below and said, "I have brought you here because I have a use
for you. This is Evangelion Unit One. You will be its pilot."

Shinji's eyes lit up. He was all ready to tell his dad to sit on a
termite mound, maybe they would find the stick up his ass
appetizing. But this, it was too good to be true. They wanted
him to fly a mecha?

"It's just like GekiGengar 3! of course I'll pilot it!!"

Gendo paused for a moment, he honestly had expected to
hear whining at this point.

"You will?"

Shinji smirked and thrust a finger into the air.

"Naturally, for I am the great mecha pilot Guy Daikoji!"

Misato piped up. "That's not the name on your ID card, Shinji,
did you get it under an alias? Besides, the eva looks nothing
like GekiGengar 3. It doesn't even have wings!"

Shinji looked at Misato like she was an idiot.

"Shinji Ikari is the boring name my mother gave me. Guy
Daikoji is the name of my SOUL!!"

Gendo turned off his mic momentarily.

"Fuyutsuki, what the hell is GekiGengar 3?"

The Deputy Commander of NERV looked abashed and said,
"I have no idea, Commander Ikari, I shall endeavor to research it."

Gendo frowned, and said, "You do that."
_________________________________

Some time later...

"Unit 1 Punch!!!"

Ritsuko Akagi pushed the talk button on her radio conection
to unit one's cockpit.

"Mr. Ikari, it's completely unnecessary to yell out such silly things
in combat. Simply think about doing a move, and the evangelion
will respond."

"My name is Guy, Guy Daikoji! And what could you know, you
who are devoid of passion and lust for life? My battle cries ring
the bells of doom for my opponents! Super Evangelion KICK!!!!"

The bottle blond looked at NERV's commander.

"How long till Asuka gets here?"

-That's all i got-

-exar out.

ttestagr · Nov 3, 2006

AbyssalDaemon · Nov 3, 2006

GenocideHeart said:

ItÆd be interesting to see how youÆd have Shinji grow into his role as a Super Robot pilot given how at least at the beginning of the series (and even somewhat up to the 11th angel) Shinji had a backbone although AsukaÆs generally being a bitch, the events of the 12th angel, and the events afterward sure helped to grind it down to dust quick enough.

Given his childhood, with his father abandoning him and then him getting sent to people who seem to care about him with the same amount of love you might for something found on the bottom of you sneaker and that despite having lived with him for years they still werenÆt able to tell that he stole that bike. He might come to think of pilots in his group as a second family and given how in cannon he was capable despite his own problems of standing up for people that he cared for(even it was only for a minute or two), this Shinji might come down a lot harder on somebody who insults or even threatens them.

Though heÆd probably be even more hesitant at putting them in danger if that happened then cannonShinji.

Does this mean that Kensuke would know Shinji before shows up in Tokyo-3?

Would the SRX be part of the UN like NERV is?

GenocideHeart · Nov 3, 2006

Heh. Okay, thanks.

Yeah, a bona fide Classic SRT fic is suicide. They always have a minimum of 8 series involved... total chaos.

As for what Shinji will pilot, I'm actually still undecided. He doesn't simply replace Ryusei, so just giving him the R-1 won't do, although it could be fun. I was considering giving him the Wildraubtier on a permanent basis, or even the Alteisen, although that would require removing Kyosuke, and by proxy Excellen, but it's doable - I want to focus on the secondary SRT characters, like Katina, Latouni, Tasuku et al.

Well, in this scenario, people are actually counting on him, so at first he'll probably mess up a bit from being nervous, but even the best started out as n00bs, so hell eventually whip up in shape.

It should be note that while in a combat situation, Shinji will usually be up front and in charge, despite there being pilots older than him - and honestly, would YOU put a rash, hotheaded individual like Katina in charge of a military operation? ...thought so.

Of course, a direct order from the Hiryu Custom or from Sanger will override his judgment, but in general, he's left free to conduct battle as he sees fit. That's the reason why I plan to have him be in Team SRX/ATX for at least a year prior to Sachiel - training is never the same as real battle, but it will help him move more confidently. And it'll build teamwork - PTs are generally inferior to EVA's being Real Robots, and while they DO have the Grungust, it can't do everything alone.

Yes, that's one thing he often will get chewed out about - trying to do everything alone without putting his teammates in danger. As things progress, he'll understand that just as they trust him, he will have to trust them.

Yes. On a side note, Shinji will still be sent to school as in canon, and yes, this will probably prompt Gendo to do something stupid like send Section 2 to kidnap him - which, predictably, will fail miserably. You honestly thing Project SRX/ATX leaves their pilots unattended? And unlike Section 2, their security actually KNOWS their stuff. :snigger: :snigger:

No. Project ATX/SRX is privately owned and under Shuu Shirakawa's direct control and funding. SEELE *thinks* they are at their beck and call, but the truth is, they'll do SEELE's bidding only as long as Shuu allows it.

As for Masaki Andou, he's a lone wolf. He still pilots Cybuster, and still has it in for Shuu. And yes, Shuu is still a La Gias native.

On a side note, een if 3I DOES happen in this fic, La Gias will be unaffected.

GenocideHeart · Nov 3, 2006

Here's a quick scene I whipped up while doodling around:

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"The drones are loaded with live rounds," Nicholas informed them. "Unless you want to die, shoot them down."

"Whoa, Vice Commander, hold on a sec..." Katina protested.

"Less talking, more killing!" Nicholas cut her off. The female pilot groaned.

"Shinji, that's Vice Commander Nicholas 'Hawk' Jonsson, and I'm sure you already noticed he's a... peculiar individual."

"I'll say," the young pilot replied before what Nicholas said registered. "Wait, live rounds? This is supposed to be training!"

"Well, he has... peculiar ideas on training..." Katina explained lamely. Shinji panicked as the drones closed in.

"Wait a minute... I'm too young to die in a training drill! Let me out!!"

----

Shinji is so screwed. :snigger: :snigger: :snigger:

GenocideHeart · Nov 3, 2006

Another snippet, this one featuring our favorite Viking Pilot dealing with an unreasonable Kensuke:

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"No, Aida," Nicholas sighed, rubbing his temples. "You CAN'T put a Colossal Blade on your Wildraubtier."

"But why not?!" the military otaku whined. "Sanger-san's looks so cool!"

"...the Grungust is a SUPER ROBOT, Aida. Your PT wouldn't even move with that thing on it!" the weary vice-commander snapped. "And to be perfectly blunt, that oversized phallic-lookalike sushi knife looks stupid."

----

Kekeke. Fear the military otaku.

Wolff · Nov 3, 2006

About the Super Robot Taisen, are we talking about the anime or the games? If it's the anime, there are many anime series mashed together, right? All the characters and mecha are unique to the series, right?

Also, has anyone considered the idea of Shinji and Rei from Innortal's "True Angel" being thrown into the Super Robot Taisen universe by mistake? We'll have to ask Innortal's permission for that first though.

GenocideHeart · Nov 3, 2006

Wolff said:

The series I'm using is Super Robot Taisen: Original Generation for Game Boy Advance. Aside from Evangelion, no other super robot series are involved - it's just too messy.

And I'd rather not use any of Innortal's stuff. Don't want to offend him by making his ideas suck. :snigger: :snigger:

Mighty Bob · Nov 4, 2006

:blink: You have a bad habit of bringing up these games/series/mangas that I have zero knowledge about and making me damn curious. Only so much time in the day I can devote to enjoying all this fun stuff :blue:

Will Shinji be spending that year before Sachiel entirely at the base for this group, training and getting to know just his fellow pilots and the support crew (assuming there'll be one) or will he spend time at the Tokyo-3 school alongside Kensuke? Or does he not go there until the Angels start throwing their weight around?

Seeing as he's living his dream of being a mech pilot will Kensuke still hang around Touji or will he spend all his time in his mech or hanging out with his fellow pilot Shinji?

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