Sailor Moon Pet Peeves
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1. The Great Freeze being Princess Kaguya. Not only is the Great Freeze a anime created plot hole but The S movie was made from a manga side story and thus incompatible with anime canon.
2. Crystal Tokyo being pure evil
They only exiled criminals and the Black Moon turned their own planet into a living hell. Both sides state the Black Moon's goals were only about the people's life span and to try to take over earth not that Serenity was an evil ruler. There was no great Freeze in manga canon and just something the anime added unneccessarily to explain Crystal Tokyo's appearance.
2. Crystal Tokyo being pure evil
They only exiled criminals and the Black Moon turned their own planet into a living hell. Both sides state the Black Moon's goals were only about the people's life span and to try to take over earth not that Serenity was an evil ruler. There was no great Freeze in manga canon and just something the anime added unneccessarily to explain Crystal Tokyo's appearance.
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Neo-Queen Serenity didn't have her Ginzuishou. I assume they got overwhelmed trying to protect her. It also seems the past/future happens at the same time since IIRC Chibi-Usa grew at the same pace as the senshi. So I guess until they got the Super/Eternal Upgrades it didn't exist for the future senshi. Remember Serenity still had the Ginzuishou not the Silver Moon Crystal back in R.
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Eternal is weaker than Queen level. The only reason the Black Moon family's attack even succeded was Chibi-Usa taking the crystal and attacking while Neo-Queen Serenity searching for her. Neo-Queen Serenity is much stronger than Eternal Sailor Moon considering she was able to revive Pluto after Chibi-Usa became keeper of the Ginzuishou.
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Heh...
There is indirect proof mind control is part of the series though. Not talking Crystal Tokyo at all as I do not want to cover that (since we have already, and have proved no one ever alters their views), but...
This is helped by Chibi-Usa going back in time and her first action is to mind control and brainwash Usagi's parents, Usagi, and the scouts themselves rather than talk.
That implies bad upbringing at a minimum, and taught by action at a dark view.
There is also the way some of the monsters they fought act when getting slammed by a 9 ft pinkl heart and how they are afterward.
There is indirect proof mind control is part of the series though. Not talking Crystal Tokyo at all as I do not want to cover that (since we have already, and have proved no one ever alters their views), but...
This is helped by Chibi-Usa going back in time and her first action is to mind control and brainwash Usagi's parents, Usagi, and the scouts themselves rather than talk.
That implies bad upbringing at a minimum, and taught by action at a dark view.
There is also the way some of the monsters they fought act when getting slammed by a 9 ft pinkl heart and how they are afterward.
Given that Chibi-Usa is supposed to either nine or eight mentally I find it somewhat forgivable. Kids often do stuff that their parents tell them not too that is wrong. As for Chibi-Usa's upbringing I wouldn't go so far as to refer to it as bad so much as absent. Both of her parents are supposed to be busy running things to spend much of their time with her.
Though given just how slowly Chibi-Usa is apparently aging that is somewhat understandable.
That's anime, manga-wise most of the Senshi's enemies are simply killed. The very few who cleansed have always been shown and stated as to have been under mind control from the major villain of that arc.
Though given just how slowly Chibi-Usa is apparently aging that is somewhat understandable.
That's anime, manga-wise most of the Senshi's enemies are simply killed. The very few who cleansed have always been shown and stated as to have been under mind control from the major villain of that arc.
Seems stupid to do it that way... but I've not read the manga. If true, reinforces my belief the senshi were lucky in having incompetent evil to fight.
Were I a evil overloard, I would not want to pick nice people and brainwash them to be evil minions and generals... I would pick people already evil and experience combatants... In theory, far less work, and not using too much effort to get past their base nature, instead, it would work in my favor.
This would have the additional benefit in that when hit by her attack, either Sailor moon would need more power to fight two mental levels of being evil, or she would have rogue but still evil characters on her hands. Win-Win.
EDIT: as for Chibi-Usa, it should be noted, in manga, she is 900+ years old, and in anime, is mature enough personality wise to complain Usagi is acting like a child and being scatterbrained. Thus... the brainwashing is relevant.
Were I a evil overloard, I would not want to pick nice people and brainwash them to be evil minions and generals... I would pick people already evil and experience combatants... In theory, far less work, and not using too much effort to get past their base nature, instead, it would work in my favor.
This would have the additional benefit in that when hit by her attack, either Sailor moon would need more power to fight two mental levels of being evil, or she would have rogue but still evil characters on her hands. Win-Win.
EDIT: as for Chibi-Usa, it should be noted, in manga, she is 900+ years old, and in anime, is mature enough personality wise to complain Usagi is acting like a child and being scatterbrained. Thus... the brainwashing is relevant.
I wouldn't say that most of the villains in the manga were all that incompetent given how close Chaos came to achieving it's goal and just how much widespread destruction it caused across the galaxy. Anyhow the few times that the villain's mind controlled somebody there always tend to be a clear reason behind it, usually somebody the senshi would be more hesitant to attack or use killing force against. Unlike in the anime the manga versions where willing and DID several times kill human opponents.
Yes but it was also stated that she was still mentally that of a child close to her appearance. Chibi-Usa seems to gets along with Usagi better in the manga the anime along with acting less bratty. Also image how you'd react if you encountered somebody that in your time was somebody that was supposed to be all dignified, queenly and such who you had a good bit of respect for and had only known them in said role and then encountered as what they were like as a teenager.
Also keep in mind the major reason that Chibi-Usa originally went back in time in first place was out of desperation to protect Crystal Tokyo from Black Moon Clan after stealing one of Pluto's time keys. She never meant to stay there for long but did need a place to stay. Basically given her circumstances and reasons I'm willing offer her quite a bit of leeway. She was basically a kid who to me did what she could to try and save her world from a group of people who showed that they would have no problems with murdering mass amounts of people.
Yes but it was also stated that she was still mentally that of a child close to her appearance. Chibi-Usa seems to gets along with Usagi better in the manga the anime along with acting less bratty. Also image how you'd react if you encountered somebody that in your time was somebody that was supposed to be all dignified, queenly and such who you had a good bit of respect for and had only known them in said role and then encountered as what they were like as a teenager.
Also keep in mind the major reason that Chibi-Usa originally went back in time in first place was out of desperation to protect Crystal Tokyo from Black Moon Clan after stealing one of Pluto's time keys. She never meant to stay there for long but did need a place to stay. Basically given her circumstances and reasons I'm willing offer her quite a bit of leeway. She was basically a kid who to me did what she could to try and save her world from a group of people who showed that they would have no problems with murdering mass amounts of people.
I should comment on a couple things...
1. In the anime at least, the whole reason the Black Moon Family got as far as they did was due to Chibi-Usa having stole the crystal in the first place.
2. I do not really cut her much in the way of slack, if she is older than she appears, she should have known better on both the stealing of the crystal (anime), and the brainwashing. Some of her other actions are in question as well.
I'm curious... is there any explanation as to why she was in the manga locked into a 9 year old form for 900+ years? Unless it is due to Usagi's rose colored perfect view of the future being her with a 'child' and not a mere offspring. It does also present a good reason Usagi was in charge of CT, not long since handled over to Chibi-Usa, and why no prince is to be had dating her.
If even part of the above paragraph is true, her being turned into the dark lady is actually good for her, since it removed the lock preventing her form having properly developed to adulthood.
1. In the anime at least, the whole reason the Black Moon Family got as far as they did was due to Chibi-Usa having stole the crystal in the first place.
2. I do not really cut her much in the way of slack, if she is older than she appears, she should have known better on both the stealing of the crystal (anime), and the brainwashing. Some of her other actions are in question as well.
I'm curious... is there any explanation as to why she was in the manga locked into a 9 year old form for 900+ years? Unless it is due to Usagi's rose colored perfect view of the future being her with a 'child' and not a mere offspring. It does also present a good reason Usagi was in charge of CT, not long since handled over to Chibi-Usa, and why no prince is to be had dating her.
If even part of the above paragraph is true, her being turned into the dark lady is actually good for her, since it removed the lock preventing her form having properly developed to adulthood.
1. In the manga the Black Moon Clan have already started their invasion on Earth and were apparently doing quite well before Chibi-Usa traveled back in time, it was what promoted her to do so.
2. As I stated above she might have lived for over nine hundred years but mentally in side of her head she's nine. As for for slow aging King Endymion in the manga notes how one day she stopped growing and because she is a child of the moon born on earth it is difficult to figure out how Small Lady will grow up having a mother from the Moon and a father from Earth.
As for Usagi having a rose colored view and a head full of fluff that's pretty much the anime. The manga version might have a positive view of things but she is capable of being serious and does have a working brain.
And like I commented above the manga!Senshi are willing to kill unlike the anime counterparts.
--EDIT--
I think our biggest problem here is that where both approaching this from different ends for you the anime and me the manga. Which unfortunately given how the anime is almost like a dubbed version of the manga, means that are some rather large differences story wise between the two.
2. As I stated above she might have lived for over nine hundred years but mentally in side of her head she's nine. As for for slow aging King Endymion in the manga notes how one day she stopped growing and because she is a child of the moon born on earth it is difficult to figure out how Small Lady will grow up having a mother from the Moon and a father from Earth.
As for Usagi having a rose colored view and a head full of fluff that's pretty much the anime. The manga version might have a positive view of things but she is capable of being serious and does have a working brain.
And like I commented above the manga!Senshi are willing to kill unlike the anime counterparts.
--EDIT--
I think our biggest problem here is that where both approaching this from different ends for you the anime and me the manga. Which unfortunately given how the anime is almost like a dubbed version of the manga, means that are some rather large differences story wise between the two.