Sailor Moon Pet Peeves
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My theory for the manga is that ChibiUsa's Ginzuishou is completely seperate from Usagi's Ginzuishou.
Makes some sense to me looking at the scans of the scenes after she finally awakens as a Senshi, it seems, IIRC, that there are three Ginzuishou, the future one, Moon's 'present' one, and the one Chibi cried out over Pluto during her awakening.
That remind anybody of how the Ginzuishou appeared to Usagi originally, eh? ^_^
Add to the fact both her parents have Sailor Crystals....
Of course, I could be misremembering, it's been a while since I've read manga, and it's a pet theory of a fan, not something concrete straight from Ms Takeuchi's own mouth. *shrug*
And neither Ginzuishou technically exist after the Dream arc, being evolved into the Silver Moon Crystal and Pink Moon Crystal.
My theory for the manga is that ChibiUsa's Ginzuishou is completely seperate from Usagi's Ginzuishou.
Makes some sense to me looking at the scans of the scenes after she finally awakens as a Senshi, it seems, IIRC, that there are three Ginzuishou, the future one, Moon's 'present' one, and the one Chibi cried out over Pluto during her awakening.
That remind anybody of how the Ginzuishou appeared to Usagi originally, eh? ^_^
Add to the fact both her parents have Sailor Crystals....
Of course, I could be misremembering, it's been a while since I've read manga, and it's a pet theory of a fan, not something concrete straight from Ms Takeuchi's own mouth. *shrug*
And neither Ginzuishou technically exist after the Dream arc, being evolved into the Silver Moon Crystal and Pink Moon Crystal.
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The future one and the one Chibi-Usa had are the same one. It was absorbed into her body when she touched it.
The Present and Future seem to be happening side by side in SMverse. Things affecting the past show their results in the future as shown in the stars arc. That's why I assumed the pink and silver moon crystals never showed up because they weren't created yet in the present.
The Present and Future seem to be happening side by side in SMverse. Things affecting the past show their results in the future as shown in the stars arc. That's why I assumed the pink and silver moon crystals never showed up because they weren't created yet in the present.
Another pet peeve of mine that has somewhat become fannon is the Senshi going to out of their way to gain control of the planet. Either through mind control or as out right conquers, ect. At the beginning of the series the girls are set on stopping the Dark Kingdom from destroying the Earth and at the end of the arc Usagi had the chance to recreate the Silver Millennium but choose not too. And as for the future of Crystal Tokyo both Usagi and Mamoru where elected to their position by the peoples of the world.
And before anyone brings up Nemesis; no they where NOT freedom fighters. The ancestors of the people who ended up on nemesis happened to be religious nuts who thought that the infinite power of the ginzuishou and its ability to give people eternal youth went against God's will and ended fleeing to Nemesis after being told by Wiseman that if they went there they could gain they could gain unlimited power.
And before anyone brings up Nemesis; no they where NOT freedom fighters. The ancestors of the people who ended up on nemesis happened to be religious nuts who thought that the infinite power of the ginzuishou and its ability to give people eternal youth went against God's will and ended fleeing to Nemesis after being told by Wiseman that if they went there they could gain they could gain unlimited power.
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Nemesis as the true heroes of the story piss me off so much. They killed without mercy in the manga. They bombed Crystal Tokyo and poisoned the people just because they believed long life went against god. They are far from sympathetic especially when lead by a creature born from the root of all evil in SM.
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Nemesis as the true heroes of the story piss me off so much. They killed without mercy in the manga. They bombed Crystal Tokyo and poisoned the people just because they believed long life went against god. They are far from sympathetic especially when lead by a creature born from the root of all evil in SM.
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New Petpeeve Usagi spamming the Ginzuishou. The manga it's very understandable since it had no consequences.
But in the anime she only used it at full power against Death Phantom and Metallia and once in the R movie. The anime also kept emphasing that the Ginzuishou would kill her if she used it. She had three one-time saves saving her life everytime.
She had plot armor for the sake of the first arc because they thought the series would end with that episode and wished to go back to being a normal girl as she lay dying. In R she and Chibi-Usa's wish to protect the other canceled out the effects. The third time Fiore gave up his life to save her. Each time the senshi warned her she would die from the crystal if she used it. Yet she accepted it anyway.
Usagi, other than accessing a little bit of it only used it 3 Times, 2 times excluding the movie and has accepted death each time she prepares to use it. So all those people who make her use it for everything needs go rewatch the anime. It's her LAST RESORT not her first option. <_<
Edit: Petpeeve. Minako, Rei or Makoto giving up Usagi for a guy. In the manga the inners all pledged to each other that no matter what happens Usagi would always come first and that boys would come later because she was so precious to them.
But in the anime she only used it at full power against Death Phantom and Metallia and once in the R movie. The anime also kept emphasing that the Ginzuishou would kill her if she used it. She had three one-time saves saving her life everytime.
She had plot armor for the sake of the first arc because they thought the series would end with that episode and wished to go back to being a normal girl as she lay dying. In R she and Chibi-Usa's wish to protect the other canceled out the effects. The third time Fiore gave up his life to save her. Each time the senshi warned her she would die from the crystal if she used it. Yet she accepted it anyway.
Usagi, other than accessing a little bit of it only used it 3 Times, 2 times excluding the movie and has accepted death each time she prepares to use it. So all those people who make her use it for everything needs go rewatch the anime. It's her LAST RESORT not her first option. <_<
Edit: Petpeeve. Minako, Rei or Makoto giving up Usagi for a guy. In the manga the inners all pledged to each other that no matter what happens Usagi would always come first and that boys would come later because she was so precious to them.
A peeve of my is how people keep calling Mamoru a pedophile.
Is it REALLY pedophilia if it's a 3 year difference and it's the younger chasing? I mean Mamoru is only 17 years old vs Usagi's 14 years old.
Also in japan, 14 years is very much legal as the age of consent is 13 (up to 18 depending on where in japan you are, but Tokyo is 13). And the age of marriage is 18 for men, and 16 for women.
And she's the one after him... not vice versa. And from my understanding, there isn't any actual hanky-panky at all... at least 'on screen'.
I mean people have no problems with a 20 year and a 23 year old pairing up. And god forbid at 1000+ years old, a difference of 3 years is almost unnoticeable.
(cross-posted from the HP subforums)...
Is it REALLY pedophilia if it's a 3 year difference and it's the younger chasing? I mean Mamoru is only 17 years old vs Usagi's 14 years old.
Also in japan, 14 years is very much legal as the age of consent is 13 (up to 18 depending on where in japan you are, but Tokyo is 13). And the age of marriage is 18 for men, and 16 for women.
And she's the one after him... not vice versa. And from my understanding, there isn't any actual hanky-panky at all... at least 'on screen'.
I mean people have no problems with a 20 year and a 23 year old pairing up. And god forbid at 1000+ years old, a difference of 3 years is almost unnoticeable.
(cross-posted from the HP subforums)...
biigoh said:
I'll grant you that.á
Meaning... did they not like each other... insult each other, etc? Outright annouce their dislike lof each other? And are they still considered 'soul mates'?
If both are true... I feel sorry for Mamaru (and to a lesser extent Usagi) on that point at least.
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PCHeintz72 said:
biigoh said:
I'll grant you that.á
Meaning... did they not like each other... insult each other, etc? Outright annouce their dislike lof each other? And are they still considered 'soul mates'?
If both are true... I feel sorry for Mamaru (and to a lesser extent Usagi) on that point at least.
Usagi and Mamoru were mostly indifferent to each other. He teased her a bit and she did him.
It was "Sailor Moon" and "Tuxedo Kamen" that liked each other. They started their relationship when they revealed their identities as Mamo and Usagi. Then two chapters later it was revealed that she was Serenity and another chapter before Usagi learned about the history of the Silver Millenium. Though they couldn't do anything or actually kiss until the end of the Dark Kingdom.
They would have been together even if the Endymion/Serenity thing didn't come into play. They liked each other.
I do sort of wonder why you feel more sorry for Mamoru. He put Usagi through hell during R and treats her like a chore while nitpicking. Usagi who is flawed, is just a girl actually acting her age and shouldn't be forced to live to the standards of a 20 year old.
(I don't blame Mamoru, I mainly blame the director, he made Mamoru dull and uninteresting because he was so into lesbians and thought the perfect relationship was between two women) <_<
Eh...the former I will grant you, in general, but the latter...a seven year difference really isn't all that odd after a certain point. A fourteen year old and a twenty-one year old, I will grant may raise eyebrows, but a twenty-three year old and a thirty year old hardly seems likely to raise an eyebrow about, much less a forty year old and a forty-seven year old. Then again, perhaps I'm biased...my parents are twelve years apart in age, my father having married my mother when she was in her twenties and he in his thirties, and have been happily married for twenty-five years, soon to be twenty-six years, and I don't believe I've ever seen anyone raise an eyebrow at it... :huh.:
@Antimatterenergy: Didn't Sailor Moon first come out between '92 and '97? If so, for the majority of it, that would have been prior to '95...
@Antimatterenergy: Didn't Sailor Moon first come out between '92 and '97? If so, for the majority of it, that would have been prior to '95...
Sailor Moon was written mostly during a time when thirteen year-old girls could marry, so no, pretty much no one will care, not in the country of the original audience. Japan has very different attitudes on age difference acceptability than the U.S. and most western countries. Twenty, thirty, forty year age differences were perfectly acceptable, and these days are not really taboo.
You ever hear of the concept "Christmas Cake", PCH?
It's like this: women and Christmas Cake are both useless after the twenty-fifth.
In other words, if a woman is unmarried after the age of twenty-five, she's useless. Indeed, if a woman wasn't married considerably before the age of twenty-five, she'd be looked at as if something was wrong with her. This attitude will probably never fully disappear, although it is becoming more outdated to an extent.
You ever hear of the concept "Christmas Cake", PCH?
It's like this: women and Christmas Cake are both useless after the twenty-fifth.
In other words, if a woman is unmarried after the age of twenty-five, she's useless. Indeed, if a woman wasn't married considerably before the age of twenty-five, she'd be looked at as if something was wrong with her. This attitude will probably never fully disappear, although it is becoming more outdated to an extent.
