SM in the Marvelverse

[Chuckg]

Not to mention that Rogue has an upper limit on how much power she can absorb at once.

I've seen her try to powerdrain the Juggernaut and only leech off some of his strength, while he was still conscious and having the majority of his power, because the Juggernaut has a lot of power.

I also saw her try and powerleech Loki once and... well, it was like if she'd knelt down and stuck her tongue on the third rail of a subway. *ZORCH* Rogue was KTFO'ed just from the overload and Loki was laughing it off.

 

[goldenarms]

Michiru and Rei did have pretty strong psychic powers. Michiru could predict the future and later got her deep aqua mirror to assist her premonitions.

And now, there must be at least one arc with Rei being taken over by the Phoenix Force.

 

[Deleted member 5249]

Michiru and Rei did have pretty strong psychic powers. Michiru could predict the future and later got her deep aqua mirror to assist her premonitions.

And now, there must be at least one arc with Rei being taken over by the Phoenix Force.

Michiru would sadly be more likely. Michiru's powers are the same as Rei's just much more developed.

On another note: Sailor Rogue.

 

[Lord Raine]

Usagi existing would cause pretty much the entire named cast of Marvel with a few exceptions to spontaneously combust, because Marvel is whingey and emo to a level that truly boggles the mind, while Usagi is basically the exact opposite of all of that to the billionth geometric degree. These are people who get to be wizards, juggle lasers, fly, and run as fast as a bullet train, and yet they still somehow find this something to bitch ceaselessly about, instead of doing what I'm pretty sure any normal person would do, which is WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

They are to emo what Gilgamesh is to not-even-sort-of-being-Chaotic-Good. It's a completely new dimension of what-the-hell-guy.

 

[Aarik]

Usagi existing would cause pretty much the entire named cast of Marvel with a few exceptions to spontaneously combust, because Marvel is whingey and emo to a level that truly boggles the mind, while Usagi is basically the exact opposite of all of that to the billionth geometric degree. These are people who get to be wizards, juggle lasers, fly, and run as fast as a bullet train, and yet they still somehow find this something to bitch ceaselessly about, instead of doing what I'm pretty sure any normal person would do, which is WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

They are to emo what Gilgamesh is to not-even-sort-of-being-Chaotic-Good. It's a completely new dimension of what-the-hell-guy.

Gilgamesh had the excuse of being drenched in all the worlds evil solidified into mud.

The Marvel heroes have no such excuse.

Also, stop being defeated by Perfect Lionheart and pstibbons.

EDIT: You misspelled whiney.

 

[Lord Raine]

Whinge is a word. Also, in case you somehow missed it, I totally kicked Lionheart's ass. I do need to finish pstibbons, though.

Gilgamesh had the excuse of being drenched in all the worlds evil solidified into mud.

Which would still make him not in any way Good. Having a good reason to be Evil doesn't mean you suddenly aren't Evil. Gilgamesh totally is, and yet he's Word of Goded as being Chaotic Good. Which is bullshit.

 

[zeebee1]

So is the idea that there can only be one Assassin. But it's still canon.

 

[Ryuugi]

Usagi existing would cause pretty much the entire named cast of Marvel with a few exceptions to spontaneously combust, because Marvel is whingey and emo to a level that truly boggles the mind, while Usagi is basically the exact opposite of all of that to the billionth geometric degree. These are people who get to be wizards, juggle lasers, fly, and run as fast as a bullet train, and yet they still somehow find this something to bitch ceaselessly about, instead of doing what I'm pretty sure any normal person would do, which is WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

They are to emo what Gilgamesh is to not-even-sort-of-being-Chaotic-Good. It's a completely new dimension of what-the-hell-guy.

See also:

<a href='http://www.ifanboy.com/content/articles/Great_Moments_in_Comics_History__The_X-Men__94' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.ifanboy.com/content/articles/Gr...__The_X-Men__94</a>

He can shoot laser beams. Out of his eyes. He has some much pussy after him, his dick probably doesn't know what to do with it all. His eyes have one downside, which can be countered by putting on sunglasses (so screw t being able to hide what you are). He's been the leader of one of the most famous super-hero teams in history multiple times.

And what does he do?

He walks the halls at night and randomly decides to shout about his eyes, despite there being no one around to hear him.

 

[ragnarok1337]

Usagi existing would cause pretty much the entire named cast of Marvel with a few exceptions to spontaneously combust, because Marvel is whingey and emo to a level that truly boggles the mind, while Usagi is basically the exact opposite of all of that to the billionth geometric degree. These are people who get to be wizards, juggle lasers, fly, and run as fast as a bullet train, and yet they still somehow find this something to bitch ceaselessly about, instead of doing what I'm pretty sure any normal person would do, which is WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE~

They are to emo what Gilgamesh is to not-even-sort-of-being-Chaotic-Good. It's a completely new dimension of what-the-hell-guy.

Hell. ANY happy-go-lucky shoujo/shounen character would cause the Marvelverse to implode. No matter what, they stand up look their opponent in the face, and defeat it while shouting about the power of friendship and such. A few off the top of my head:

Naruto
Sailor Moon (obviously; we're discussing it)
Bleach (while the main chars. don't give speeches, that's pretty much the whole reason they fight)
Nanoha (where do you think the meme "befriending" came from? And that's not even shounen)

If we wanted a magical girl show that would fit with the not-so-wonderful world of Marvel, we would get Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Now THERE's a depressing magical girl show.

 

[Leonite]

Going outside of anime, Shin Kamen Rider? That could fit.

 

[Crusader]

Hell. ANY happy-go-lucky shoujo/shounen character would cause the Marvelverse to implode. No matter what, they stand up look their opponent in the face, and defeat it while shouting about the power of friendship and such. A few off the top of my head:

That depends on whether its the rules of the Marvelverse (select an era/happy-go-lucky phase/gloomy, dark and angsty phase) or whichever shounen/shojou animeverse with happy-go-lucky protagonists that counts when it comes to cause and effect like if collateral damage harms innocent bystanders.

How would most shounen/shojuoverse characters handle serious stuff like drugs, alcholism and addiction? Hopefully better than what happened when Green Arrow of DC comics discovered that his kid sidekick had become a junkie.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Not to mention that Rogue has an upper limit on how much power she can absorb at once.

I've seen her try to powerdrain the Juggernaut and only leech off some of his strength, while he was still conscious and having the majority of his power, because the Juggernaut has a lot of power.

I also saw her try and powerleech Loki once and... well, it was like if she'd knelt down and stuck her tongue on the third rail of a subway.? *ZORCH*? Rogue was KTFO'ed just from the overload and Loki was laughing it off.

She also tried to powerleech Warlock's dad (Magus) once, and nearly got turned into a transmode techno-organic lifeform right there and then from the massive power overload she experienced.

She even admitted that was a fucking dumb thing to do afterwards - her mindset was jarred and she spoke like Warlock for nearly a week afterwards.

Hell. ANY happy-go-lucky shoujo/shounen character would cause the Marvelverse to implode. No matter what, they stand up look their opponent in the face, and defeat it while shouting about the power of friendship and such. A few off the top of my head:

There are a few 'heroes' who do precisely that. Out of them all, the only one who had any sort of success is Squirrel Girl, and she only manages to win against high profile opponents - she actually has a losing record against people who are her supposed equals in power.

The others? They all died, and stayed dead, or suffered a fate worse than death (Hi, Speedball!) and went emo-trash.

Might be worth it just to see some of those insufferable Power of Friendship dolts be broken so thoroughly they went Speedball/Penance and donned a suit that hurts them constantly like he did... :snigger:

 

[ragnarok1337]

Hell. ANY happy-go-lucky shoujo/shounen character would cause the Marvelverse to implode. No matter what, they stand up look their opponent in the face, and defeat it while shouting about the power of friendship and such. A few off the top of my head:

There are a few 'heroes' who do precisely that. Out of them all, the only one who had any sort of success is Squirrel Girl, and she only manages to win against high profile opponents - she actually has a losing record against people who are her supposed equals in power.

The others? They all died, and stayed dead, or suffered a fate worse than death (Hi, Speedball!) and went emo-trash.

Might be worth it just to see some of those insufferable Power of Friendship dolts be broken so thoroughly they went Speedball/Penance and donned a suit that hurts them constantly like he did... :snigger:

Or, you could not be one of those who enjoy GRIMDARK and EMO and ANGST just for the sake of them and try to write something LIGHTER and SOFTER for once. Yay, another person who wants DRAMA for the sake of DRAMA.

Someone once said that we look up to heroes so much just so we can see them fall. I say that we are so eager to watch them fall, so that when we keep watching we are able to see them get back up.

Oh, who am I kidding? Your screenname is Genocide Heart. GENOCIDE. HEART. You suck the joy out of everything you touch.

 

[Chuckg]

As for the Marvel Universe... hey, I totally grant that it sucks watching heroes be emo all the time.

Then I look at the ungrateful bastards they keep saving and who keep trying to lynch them, and sorta understand. Sure, the superpowers should be awesome, but the neighbors are total party poopers.

Of course, this is more 'that's just saying the reason why it sucks, that's not saying that it doesn't suck' territory, yes.

Basically, y'all hate most of the Marvel heroes for being emo. I hate almost everybody in the MU, hero and non-hero alike, for being all kinds of mental malfunction. Seriously. They're as rational about superheroes and mutants as the people of Wizarding Britain were rational about Harry Potter... whatever stupid thing the Daily Proph-... errr, Bugle is saying today is immediately seized upon as true and the lynch mobs roll out, even if that same guy was dying for your sins, in front of your own two eyes, just last week.

 

[goldenarms]

As for the Marvel Universe... hey, I totally grant that it sucks watching heroes be emo all the time.

Then I look at the ungrateful bastards they keep saving and who keep trying to lynch them, and sorta understand. Sure, the superpowers should be awesome, but the neighbors are total party poopers.

Of course, this is more 'that's just saying the reason why it sucks, that's not saying that it doesn't suck' territory, yes.

Basically, y'all hate most of the Marvel heroes for being emo. I hate almost everybody in the MU, hero and non-hero alike, for being all kinds of mental malfunction. Seriously. They're as rational about superheroes and mutants as the people of Wizarding Britain were rational about Harry Potter... whatever stupid thing the Daily Proph-... errr, Bugle is saying today is immediately seized upon as true and the lynch mobs roll out, even if that same guy was dying for your sins, in front of your own two eyes, just last week.

That's because if the nonmutant population were rational, mutants would have long since been accepted and Marvel writers wouldn't know what to write about.

 

[Crusader]

That's because if the nonmutant population were rational, mutants would have long since been accepted and Marvel writers wouldn't know what to write about.

But then again the majority of the mutant population aren't exactly rational, considering that Kid Omega's riot at Xavier's made most of the teen mutants appear as little monsters on a power trip who shouldn't have been given powers in the first place, or how Grant Morrison's take on Magneto made all those mutant kids into selfish monsters, with a few actually having the integrity to stick with the X-Men. It made the old New Mutants look like saints in comparison, even though one of their tries at acting like anime/manga shounen protagonists got Cypher killed..

 

[goldenarms]

That's because if the nonmutant population were rational, mutants would have long since been accepted and Marvel writers wouldn't know what to write about.

But then again the majority of the mutant population aren't exactly rational, considering that Kid Omega's riot at Xavier's made most of the teen mutants appear as little monsters on a power trip who shouldn't have been given powers in the first place, or how Grant Morrison's take on Magneto made all those mutant kids into selfish monsters, with a few actually having the integrity to stick with the X-Men. It made the old New Mutants look like saints in comparison, even though one of their tries at acting like anime/manga shounen protagonists got Cypher killed..

That, I blame on the writers for penning drama for the sake of drama. Seriously, in a world full of superheroes, how exactly would you know who's a mutant and who just happened to have been a victim of a freak accident that granted them super powers?

For serious, hating one group while worshipping another never made any sense, and they should have either made mutants just as acceptable as superheroes/villains or villainized everyone with super powers.

 

[Crusader]

For serious, hating one group while worshipping another never made any sense, and they should have either made mutants just as acceptable as superheroes/villains or villainized everyone with super powers.

Well, you have to consider that a lot of mutants want to rule the world and subjugate or exterminate normal humans who they see as inferior for not having any powers and always seem to act like they are above the law and can do anything they want to. That power corrupts seems to be an adage that fit a lot of mutants, especially the teens.

 

[Chuckg]

Well, you have to consider that a lot of mutants want to rule the world and subjugate or exterminate normal humans [...]

Which makes them exactly like all the other supervillains.

And yet, in other comic-book settings, the existence of supervillains does not make the people automatically hate superheroes.

Besides, seriously, Kid Omega and all the rest? Do you have any idea how recent those guys are, comparatively speaking? They are way younger than the roots of the problem. (Kid Omega and whoever else are all fucking jerks, admitted, but they're not the source.)

Anti-mutant hatred existed in Marvel back to the beginning. It existed even back when the only mutants in the news was one supervillain (Magneto) and five mutant kids who were bleeding out in the streets always fighting to stop him (three guesses). Apparently five good mutants + 1 bad mutant = ALL MUTANTS ARE TEH EBUL OH NOES in the minds of Marvel humanity.

Seriously. There's a reason I start thinking fondly about Galactus just eating the planet every time I start thinking about the history of anti-mutantism in the MU.

Either that or I start designing 'Magneto Was Right!' t-shirts, but that's a whole 'nother debate.

 

[Crusader]

Which makes them exactly like all the other supervillains.

Well, several of the supervillains weren't born with genetic in-built powers at birth that either work as soon as you're born or when hitting puberty.

And yet, in other comic-book settings, the existence of supervillains does not make the people automatically hate superheroes.

*cough* Watchmen universe. Ban on masks anyone? Anti-Kryptonian fear when there's more Kryptonians than Superman and his Kryptonian gang.

Besides, seriously, Kid Omega and all the rest? Do you have any idea how recent those guys are, comparatively speaking? They are way younger than the roots of the problem. (Kid Omega and whoever else are all fucking jerks, admitted, but they're not the source.)

Makes you wonder if all those were into shounen anime/manga were rules and laws are easily overturned by protagonists at a whim without regard for consequences.

Anti-mutant hatred existed in Marvel back to the beginning. It existed even back when the only mutants in the news was one supervillain (Magneto) and five mutant kids who were bleeding out in the streets always fighting to stop him (three guesses). Apparently five good mutants + 1 bad mutant = ALL MUTANTS ARE TEH EBUL OH NOES in the minds of Marvel humanity.

He did organize the first incarnation of The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants pretty quick and took over the small fictional country Santo Marco and almost blew it up with an atom bomb if not for Quicksilver's conscience, not to mention that Factor Three wanted to start World War III (even though the brains behind the operation was an alien who wanted to conquer the Earth and use mutants as his pawns). Not to mention that Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch went rogue from the Avengers and joined Magneto again at least once in the early past after Magneto tricked them by manipluating a gun to hit Wanda.

 

[Chuckg]

He did organize the first incarnation of The Brotherhood of Evil Mutants pretty quick and took over the small fictional country Santo Marco and almost blew it up with an atom bomb if not for Quicksilver's conscience, not to mention that Factor Three wanted to start World War III (even though the brains behind the operation was an alien who wanted to conquer the Earth and use mutants as his pawns). Not to mention that Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch went rogue from the Avengers and joined Magneto again at least once in the early past after Magneto tricked them by manipluating a gun to hit Wanda.

Yeah, so? Namor made his debut in the modern era by unleashing freaking Giganto on all of New York City, to where the Army had to use a nuclear bomb to stop it. He's invaded the surface world repeatedly.

He's been on the Avengers and currently hangs out as a hero ally in FF comics. Not to mention, natch, that Namor and Doom existing didn't freak people out about the FF. Loki and Ultron and the Masters of Evil didn't make people hate the Avengers.

I just don't buy the whole 'Well, one of the early mutants was a supervillain, therefore everybody freaks out at mutants' logic. Its not like ALMOST ANY OTHER SUPERHERO EVER didn't have a supervillain showing up to fight them in their first issue, and yet, they're not all hated!

Not to mention that, like with Namor, there's been more forgiveness and acceptance of some supervillains themselves than there has been of mutants who have never been supervillains, just fought them.

It don't add up.

 

[Jorlem]

In the early days, was everything in a shared universe like it is now, or were different series in different continuities, which were merged later? I know that that was basically the case for DC, but I don't know if Marvel did the same thing.

 

[Crusader]

You forgot that Namor was one of the Invaders during World War II and that gives him some status similar to that of all the other Invaders like Cap and Human Torch. And Namor doesn't go around mouthing that he's the rightful inheritor of the Earth meant to supplant baseline humans at any cost like Magneto.

And I think Bolivar Trask's death was one of the main reasons people are wary of mutants, since they didn't know he sacrificed himself to destroy Master Mold and the Mark I Sentinels, and that many suspected the X-Men of assassinating the famous anthroplogist. Not to mention that Larry Trask flared up tensions more.

 

[Chuckg]

You forgot that Namor was one of the Invaders during World War II and that gives him some status similar to that of all the other Invaders like Cap and Human Torch. And Namor doesn't go around mouthing that he's the rightful inheritor of the Earth meant to supplant baseline humans at any cost like Magneto.

... have you heard Namor's speeches from his early villain career? Namor's opinion of surfacers back then made Magneto's opinion of flatscans look positively moderate.

Also, a whole big chunk of Magneto's career was as a separatist, not a supremacist.

And yes, Namor was a hero of WWII. And then he attacks NYC with a living WMD so fearsome that the Fantastic Four actually had to have the Thing carry a nuclear weapon down its throat to kill it. The outrage and betrayal from people should have been epic. It would be like if Spitfire suddenly ran into Buckingham Palace one day at superspeed and broke every bone in Queen Elizabeth's body with a tire iron. Sure, she helped Cap punch Hitler back in the day. Doesn't mean people aren't feeling very angry at her now. In fact, being betrayed by a former hero should only make people feel MORE outraged, no?

Instead?

No, the public reactions of the MU audience are very arbitrary and inconsistent. Except when its mutants. There its very consistent -- consistently awful and stupid.

 

[Crusader]

Also, a whole big chunk of Magneto's career was as a separatist, not a supremactist.

Wasn't Namor generally an isolationist who didn't want anything to do with surfacedewellers at all, except that his infatuation with Susan Storm or other factors got the best of him like believing that Atlantis being attacked by surfacedwellers? The only reason he joined the Invaders at all was to defend Atlantis from a common threat and that he probably openly expressed that opinion to everyone.

And what reason would Spitfire have to attack Queen Elizabeth then, hmm?