SOPA, PIPA, the Feds, Anonymous, and You

Aarik

Well-Known Member
#26
Muramasa said:
Newsflash 2.0: We lose if we don't find a way to smash PCIP without looking like Pedophile's.

>_> You think calling the vast majority of americans pedophiles is going to fly? Really?
The Reason no one can oppose PCIP is because it's a child protection bill against child pornography.

Anyone who opposes it will be considered and labeled a pedophile, no matter what they say, and so not one senator will do so.

Opposing it without looking like pedophiles would be a MASSIVE challenge, and it might not even be possible.

Oh and the Black march thing?

Needs advertising, EVERYONE NEEDS TO KNOW ABOUT IT, it needs to be a huge hit, a meteoric impact to their profits.

Of course, with their constant attempts to slip out of having to actually put the bill before congress, someone suggested doing it from February first to the end of March.

Of course that just increases the April fools joke thing, since most will probably go out as soon as they can to catch up on all the stuff they've been ignoring for so long.
 

ThreadWeaver

Beware of Dog. Cat not trustworthy either.
#27
Aarik said:
We can't do that.

Not for two months.

Also, since there are conflicting sources, when is SOPA going in NOW?

Or PIPA for that matter.
They were tabled until February due to the DNS blacklist language being "re-evaluated", but without it, they have nothing because as the DOJ just showed, they believe they can already take down stuff under their current jurisdiction. The only thing that's different is to block Americans' access to foreign material and that can only be accomplished by DNS or IP blacklisting. Since even the President declared that he wouldn't support any legislation that contained blacklisting language, they had to table it.

The more I hear about them using the Child porn act as a Trojan Horse, the more likely it seems they would use that tactic instead of wasting time having to compromise.

And we better learn to do be able to turn them off for a couple months, or our future consists of having nothing but their carefully selected and approved tidbits spoon-fed to us with no alternative sources at all... The longer it goes, the more likely they are to get the idea that we have the resolve to see it through to the end. Most of us have enough entertainment to consume to last us months without buying new so I don't see the problem. If people succumb to their enter-crack-ment addiction then it will just prove them right.

Want motivation? I will bet that within a couple months of the SOPA language making it into law that BOTH Fanfiction.net and Mediaminer.org will be gone. All it would take is one author going "Hey, I don't like that" and it's history. They already have lists on their sites of authors that don't want their stuff fanfictioned so how long do you think they'll last once one of them lawyers up?

I still think books or learning stuff on the net (or getting outside) are our best go-to activity during the outage, despite of the above possibility.
 

leeyiankun

Well-Known Member
#28
So much for internet freedom. And thanks for proving to me why you're buddy-buddy with tyrants, America. And I thought you can't sink lower. I was wrong.

We need to take the keys to the internet from you guys ASAP. :sisi:
 

Aarik

Well-Known Member
#29
We would still need to advertise like motherfucker's, copy that image and spread it everywhere people can see and convince them to do it.

Also edit it with the February version.

Hell, spread both.

some small part of /b/ (Probably one person) keep's trying to get that to catch on but the mods are killing threads so fast and /b/ is so /b/...

It's also been put on a Facebook several times, but it keep's getting taken down.

We need people to see it, we need the knowledge to become a literal Meme, not just a 4chan meme.

We need to hit their Wallet, HARD.

It's the only thing they have that they care about, just like the senators are with votes.
 

Solarman

Well-Known Member
#30
leeyiankun said:
So much for internet freedom. And thanks for proving to me why you're buddy-buddy with tyrants, America. And I thought you can't sink lower. I was wrong.

We need to take the keys to the internet from you guys ASAP.? :sisi:
Dude, I was tempted into trying to bait you into something that would've gotten you jailed. Then I thought better of it and decided to just wave at the bit about tyranny. Yes, US policies weren't always well-thought-out during the Cold War, but seriously... way worse was done to other places with far worse results for everyone. And Thailand's not the only problem child a foreign power ignores responsibility for.

As to taking "the keys to the internet" out of our hands? I vaguely recall an article from the last couple of years that talked about how the people who run (some of) the systems that make it work are trying to decentralize and diversify across borders in order to prevent, among other things, point-source failures due to natural disasters and possible legislation. The article mentioned something about the contract that tied them to the US having lapsed and negotiations ensuing. Can't remember any real detail of that, though.
 

knight_of_ni

Well-Known Member
#32
I thought the "think of the children" stuff was done before, and I don't remember how that worked. I think that might have been in the UK, maybe. Not really willing to do research, atm. That will be the one to pass if any, because that is the sort of thing politicians do all the time. I'm not really sure how to oppose it then.
 

Solarman

Well-Known Member
#33
knight_of_ni said:
I thought the "think of the children" stuff was done before, and I don't remember how that worked. I think that might have been in the UK, maybe. Not really willing to do research, atm. That will be the one to pass if any, because that is the sort of thing politicians do all the time. I'm not really sure how to oppose it then.
What needs to happen with that is that Harry Reid needs to frog-march that bill's Senate version through before anyone has a chance to tie a SOPA/PIPA rider onto it (or Boehner needs to frog-march the House version, though that's far more unlikely given what Boehner's party claims to stand for). The resulting gridlock if the House tries to add that rider in the wake of a SOPA/PIPA failure will tie it up until it's too late to do anything about it.

It's crap like this that makes me glad that Illinois has a section of its Constitution devoted to saying "NO UNRELATED RIDERS" in it. At least this way we don't have to deal with it at the state level here.
 

Ordo

Well-Known Member
#34
leeyiankun said:
So much for internet freedom. And thanks for proving to me why you're buddy-buddy with tyrants, America. And I thought you can't sink lower. I was wrong.

We need to take the keys to the internet from you guys ASAP.? :sisi:
The government, the businesses or the people? The people have been and are continuing to fight againt this. The government is divided (some elements for some elements against) and the businesses has never given a wooden penny about people's rights. On the plus side we've got a system in place to oppose this kind of lunacy, and I hope the american voter remembers who supported these actions come election day.

Edit

From he Huffington post

WASHINGTON -- Hell hath no fury like a lobbyist scorned. Former Democratic senator and current head of the Motion Picture Association of America Chris Dodd threatened to cut off campaign contributions from Hollywood to the reelection campaign of President Barack Obama.

In an interview with Fox News about the White House's recent statement on controversial anti-piracy legislation, Dodd said:

Candidly, those who count on quote 'Hollywood' for support need to understand that this industry is watching very carefully who's going to stand up for them when their job is at stake ... Don't ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don't pay any attention to me when my job is at stake." ... I would caution people don't make the assumption that because the quote 'Hollywood community' has been historically supportive of Democrats, which they have, don't make the false assumptions this year that because we did it in years past, we will do it this year ... These issues before us -- this is the only issue that goes right to the heart of this industry."

The White House released a statement on the anti-piracy bills on Jan. 14 that, while calling for some kind of legislation to be passed, echoed critics of the bills supported by Dodd and the movie industry. That hasn't sat well with Hollywood lobbyists like Dodd, who seemed stunned by the reversal in fortune for their prized legislation in the past week.

As The Huffington Post reported on Wednesday, the anti-piracy fight put the White House in the middle of a major battle between two nearly equally matched donor communities in the Democratic Party: Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Both industries gave $9 million to the president's election campaign in 2008 and are nearly evenly matched this time around.

Despite Dodd's threats, there have been few signs that Hollywood money is slow in coming for Obama's reelection. His top donor is DreamWorks CEO Jeffrey Katzenberg, who has raised at least $500,000 for the campaign and the Democratic National Committee and contributed $2 million to a super PAC backing the president. Obama has also held fundraising events at the mansions of Hollywood executives and at movie studio lots.

The threat of withholding money may actually do more harm than good for Dodd's efforts. A public quid pro quo threat, makes it more difficult for the White House to move from its current stand on the legislation.

Adam Smith, communications director for Public Campaign, a nonprofit campaign finance watchdog, told The Huffington Post that Dodd's threat seemed "desperate" and represented "a shining example of what's wrong with our political system, where you have this one industry trying to force the hand of policymakers with this threat that is basically blackmail."

Dodd's outburst comes one day after Internet companies and activists blacked out Web sites across the Web in protest of both the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Protect IP Act (PIPA). The blackout, which included Wikipedia, Google, reddit, Craiglist, and ICanHazCheezburger, was matched by a campaign to get visitors to those sites to ask their representatives in Washington to oppose the bills. Close to two dozen lawmakers, mostly Republicans, responded to the campaign by announcing that they were switching their position to oppose the legislation as currently drafted.

"Some technology business interests are resorting to stunts that punish their users or turn them into their corporate pawns," Dodd said of the blackout campaign.
So some will oppose the legislation as currently drafted, which means someone will slap a different name on it and try again.

"The price of Freedom is constant vigilance"
 

zerohour

Well-Known Member
#35
Solarman said:
It's crap like this that makes me glad that Illinois has a section of its Constitution devoted to saying "NO UNRELATED RIDERS" in it. At least this way we don't have to deal with it at the state level here.
We do? Kick ass!

All glory to Zombie Lincoln, making sure we're okay long after his death.
 

leeyiankun

Well-Known Member
#36
Solarman said:
Dude, I was tempted into trying to bait you into something that would've gotten you jailed.
Despite of what you may have seen in Hangover II, the only chance of getting me to do it, is only when I'm smashed. And I don't drink, sir. :D
 

Frank Cadena

Well-Known Member
#37
I'm stupefied at Chris Dodd's outburst when I heard it. Threatening to withhold funding for the President's re-election campaign guarantees people are going to say that we should get money out of politics. The sheer amount of gall it takes to make such a demand publicly astounds me.
 

Shadowseraph

Well-Known Member
#38
and lo and behold, no one has called him out on it. You know campaign funds are bribes, I know campaign funds are bribes. Everyone knows campaign funds are bribes, no one who has any power cares enough to do anything about it.
 

foesjoe

Well-Known Member
#39
Shadowseraph said:
and lo and behold, no one has called him out on it. You know campaign funds are bribes, I know campaign funds are bribes. Everyone knows campaign funds are bribes, no one who has any power cares enough to do anything about it.
That's because you, as a people, are scaredy-ass wimps.

You go on about how you desperately need the right to bear arms to defend yourselves in case the government ever turns into a fascist regime and decides to attack you, but then you sit on your lazy asses and do fuck all when it's actually happening.
 

Shadowseraph

Well-Known Member
#40
foesjoe said:
Shadowseraph said:
and lo and behold, no one has called him out on it. You know campaign funds are bribes, I know campaign funds are bribes. Everyone knows campaign funds are bribes, no one who has any power cares enough to do anything about it.
That's because you, as a people, are scaredy-ass wimps.

You go on about how you desperately need the right to bear arms to defend yourselves in case the government ever turns into a fascist regime and decides to attack you, but then you sit on your lazy asses and do fuck all when it's actually happening.
I fucking vote, I go to protests and whatnot when I can afford to without destroying my ability to pay rent. I write my representatives, for all the good THAT does. I try.

It doesn't do any damn good though and when every election comes around I have to settle for voting for the guy that deserves a rusty shiv in the kidneys least. I don't know what else to fucking do.
 

Juubi

Well-Known Member
#41
One of these days the government is going to do something so outrageous, so appalling, that people are going to grab their guns and make a stand. Of course, they're already taking our first amendment from us, shouldn't be too long before they try for the second.
 

core_88

Well-Known Member
#42
Actually if this passes isn't it possible there will be two internets one outside the US and one in it since it's created by numerous networked computers in the end.
 

pidl

Well-Known Member
#43
Just wondering, if the server of a site is located out of the US, the only thing they can do if SOPA passes is to deny Americans from accessing it, right? Or can they actually take down sites which are hosted somewhere else?
 

kitsuneb

Well-Known Member
#44
Where have you been. Hong Kong based file sharing site Megaupload was taken down and the CEO has been extraditing over here.
 

Python453

Well-Known Member
#45
pidl said:
Just wondering, if the server of a site is located out of the US, the only thing they can do if SOPA passes is to deny Americans from accessing it, right? Or can they actually take down sites which are hosted somewhere else?
From the videos I've seen on SOPA, they can take down the sites. They have to prove that the sides are selling pirated items, but they can take it down.

EDIT: Apparently, <a href='http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/sopa-petition-gets-millions-of-signatures-as-internet-piracy-legislation-protests-continue/2012/01/19/gIQAHaAyBQ_story.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Google made such a big noise that they got 7 million people to sign an online petition</a>.

So, good news?
 

pidl

Well-Known Member
#46
kitsuneb said:
Where have you been. Hong Kong based file sharing site Megaupload was taken down and the CEO has been extraditing over here.
According to <a href='http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/legal-and-management/megaupload-s-pirated-content-hosted-on-u-1005937752.story' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this</a> article, some of it was hosted on servers in the USA, I was asking about sites which are hosted completely outside of the USA.
 

aaree

Well-Known Member
#47
So apparently, megaupload was in the middle starting up <a href='http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2011/111221airvinyl' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>megabox</a>, a music hosting service where the musicians would get to keep 90% of earnings and somehow get paid for free downloads. How much do you want to bet that this was related?
 

WizardOne

Well-Known Member
#48
aaree said:
So apparently, megaupload was in the middle starting up <a href='http://www.digitalmusicnews.com/permalink/2011/111221airvinyl' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>megabox</a>, a music hosting service where the musicians would get to keep 90% of earnings and somehow get paid for free downloads. How much do you want to bet that this was related?
I don't take sucker bets.
 

leeyiankun

Well-Known Member
#49
More F*ck up on your end, I see.

<a href='http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/20/supreme-court-rules-public-domain-isnt-permanent-says-congress/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/20/supreme...-says-congress/</a>

The end is near.
 

ThreadWeaver

Beware of Dog. Cat not trustworthy either.
#50
pidl said:
kitsuneb said:
Where have you been. Hong Kong based file sharing site Megaupload was taken down and the CEO has been extraditing over here.
According to <a href='http://www.billboard.biz/bbbiz/industry/legal-and-management/megaupload-s-pirated-content-hosted-on-u-1005937752.story' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>this</a> article, some of it was hosted on servers in the USA, I was asking about sites which are hosted completely outside of the USA.
We can't take foreign sites down. (With SOPA) They can deny us the ability to see them by blacking out our access to them via IP or DNS blocking but we don't have the right to take them down, even with SOPA. SOPA prevents us from seeing them and funding them, that's it. Megaupload supposedly had material hosted on servers in Virginia and that is supposedly what gave them jurisdiction.
 
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