Stargate: Universe

Terdwilicker

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#76
So either I'm very good at guessing or this forum is being read by the writers at SGU. Lets go with the first option.

The body swap ethics are well underway, including the colonels playing with his ex-wife. Oh, the court martial when she's knocked up... I liked her confessing it was over when they swapped back. It is possible she's been seeing Telford all along, which might have been even more shocking for the Col. T to wake up doing THAT with her when he's supposed to be someone else. Is your lover loyal or not? Consider the possibilities for betrayal-angst in that situation. It would greatly complicate a court martial and ethics panel, exactly the sort of thing these psychodramas love to play up and provides the "twist" ending this show is starting to be focused on.

While Rush can be taken as a magnificent bastard, he has a good point about fixing up the ship first. That repair guy nearly died, and it could have taken out the ship with a hull breach under FTL. Really, they can't screw around with the forces they're playing with. Routing the power from the sun to the gate is a good idea, but building a ZPM is a better one, particularly since they won't have to be inside a sun when they're trying to dial the gate home. If the shield fails while they're in open space and not racing along in FTL then its not so dire. Limit your factors and simplify the equation. The energy they recharge during sundives is enough to get a ZPM started on recharge. Its a good STABLE idea. Its also long-term. They know plenty of ancient technology from Atlantis and the later seasons of SG1 that could be manufactured on the ship and upgrades made so it works better.

They need a way to manufacture things on the ship and they need to repair every hull breach, then every sensor and every energy conduit. They need raw materials. They need an asteroid, and they need to mine it. As they don't know how to do that, a DEM is required, perhaps mining robots from one of the dead spaces they activate during repairs, thus why it didn't fix the holes itself. They can retcon it pretty easily. Then it's a matter of limiting just what they can do while still providing a good show for the audience.

Niven's bigger than worlds essay was very useful for the mechanics of mining asteroids, particularly in melting them down, using solar mirrors. They've already established that Trinium is found in asteroids, as well as naqueda. Normal asteroids contain iron, nickel, manganese, magnesium, aluminum, gold, iridium, platinum, and lots of other fun elements useful for manufacturing metals and electronics. The other kind of asteroids are loaded with hydrogen, oxygen, sulfur, nitrogen, boron, and other light elements necessary for life. Pack them in the dead spaces so they have raw materials on board. And turn on more lights. It would be nice to reveal some delicate wall etchings instead of the usual utilitarian sheet steel covered with grey paint. Or perhaps the passengers will be adding that. They can retcon in a hobbyist using gold for that, once the mining is done. Its not like its THAT useful, particularly if you can always get more at the next asteroid. Maybe that's a longer term issue.

Still, in the short run I was quite amused at Chloe calling Eli a friend while drunk. He really needs to look elsewhere. Even the cougars would be a better choice. She's a divisive wreck and so is he. Bad combo, and he needs to be strong and smart, something which won't happen while Queen C. plays with his emotions so inexpertly. I am also amused that Blondie has been more than "looking" at the colonel. Nicely retconned. So the Col. plays with blondie, is late to the meeting, comes home to his ex, plays with her for a day in another man's body, she gets knocked up, so does blondie (maybe, there's little evidence for them bringing chemical birth control with them when fleeing Icarus, was there?) and the Col. gets double paternity lawsuits. Will he even have command after this? Or will they rewrite the fraternization rules since it's a one-way trip into the universe? And the power demands to dial home keep getting higher all the time. Remember, the FTL is going away from the Milky Way every hour. (Skipper?! Perfesser?!)

And as an aside, Rick D. Anderson may not be "fat" fat. It could be medical, his kidneys or something else unpleasant. He is in his 60's by now. MacGuyver was in the 80's, and Teri Hatcher was his love interest in that show (which tells you how old SHE is). It IS weird to see him 40 pounds heavier than a couple seasons ago. There are times Amanda Tapping showed her age too, but she held onto the cute for 12 years, which is no small feat and must have required a stringent diet and exercise regimen. She's had kids in recent years, too. All the old hands look mildly irritated to be reprising their roles as guest stars. I can scarcely imagine doing the same job for a decade, much less longer. Great way to pay for a good retirement, though.

Also: the ship wasn't the genius this time. It just recharged and went back to cruising off into the ether again. The unrelenting angst still lacks any humor. Maybe that's what the audience wants, a serious scifi show, but SG:1 already established a degree of comedy in episodes, particularly in seasons 9-10, but prior seasons too. I'm still a bit concerned where this is going, but maybe they'll take my suggestions about mining asteroids and repairing the ship damage to heart. That would be interesting, and an opportunity to show some real science. There's precious little of that here.
 

B.B. Rain

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#77
There are some other problems with the body swap, as demonstrated by Senator's Daughter. She went drinking, relying on the tolerances her body can handle...which the borrowed body couldn't, and as it got drunk, it reacted differently than SD was used to.

What happen's when a body-switched mook goes for a nice handful of peanuts, and: "Ack! Food Allergies!" *Chokes to death*

Not to mention her terminology slip-up, claiming the friend betrayed "Cousin Liz," might get back to Homeworld Security, and be used as an excuse for far more serious control and monitoring of visiting personnel.

And with the body swap ethics...Don't just point fingers at the body hijacker. The possesser and possessee work out an agreement, the body-stealer uses the On-Earth body to get some nooky...And then the body's owner, claiming to be the possessee, makes time with the same partner, under false pretenses. That could get tricky.

Also, Telford and the Scrambled-Eggheads panicked and ran for the stones when the experiment started going off the rails. Stupid, panic-ky, and horrible for both morale and credibility.

In the meeting after, they seem to be claiming they would have died as well. Why? Are these different, more dangerous stones? Did the switching back-and-forth without proper external stimulus signify a potentially fatal glitch or feedback loop in the stones?

And in that meeting, it was very nice to see both Young and O'Neill taking a firmer stance with IOA-dickery, Young asserting that the Destiny crew chose to continue communicating with Earth, as opposed to simply awaiting further orders as requested, and ending the meeting as his own allotted time ran up, rather than passively letting them dictate the pace; and O'Neill cutting off the Representative's prevarication with a firm agreement rather than an attempt to extort or intimidate concessions from Young.

And next episode, we have a time-travel warning about lot's of Destiny crew dying! Won't that be fun. Is it just me, or is Time Travel showing up earlier than it did in Atlantis?
 

SotF

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#78
Well, Atlantis did have the early time travel episode with Wier...
 

B.B. Rain

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#79
Elder Weir was episode 15, now it's episode 8.

Who wants to bet the fourth spin-off will have time travel used in episode five or sooner, and eventually an entire spin-off series will revolve around time-travel, starting in the opening episode?

Also, what's to stop them, long-term, from setting up gate-bridges from galaxy to galaxy until they reach or surpass Destiny, using ZPM's to dial galaxy to galaxy, use generators like Col. O'Neill used to reach the Asguard Galaxy for one shot supply/personnel transport to and from the ship, or some combination of all three methods?

Beyond the amount of resources, time, and testing it'd take to accomplish that, I mean.
 

SotF

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#80
B.B. Rain said:
Elder Weir was episode 15, now it's episode 8.

Who wants to bet the fourth spin-off will have time travel used in episode five or sooner, and eventually an entire spin-off series will revolve around time-travel, starting in the opening episode?

Also, what's to stop them, long-term, from setting up gate-bridges from galaxy to galaxy until they reach or surpass Destiny, using ZPM's to dial galaxy to galaxy, use generators like Col. O'Neill used to reach the Asguard Galaxy for one shot supply/personnel transport to and from the ship, or some combination of all three methods?

Beyond the amount of resources, time, and testing it'd take to accomplish that, I mean.
This could also be something like the SG1 episode with the robot clones or other similar ones.

They could also be playing with memory wipes
 

Hawk

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#81
Terdwilicker said:
I am also amused that Blondie has been more than "looking" at the colonel. Nicely retconned. So the Col. plays with blondie, is late to the meeting, comes home to his ex, plays with her for a day in another man's body, she gets knocked up, so does blondie (maybe, there's little evidence for them bringing chemical birth control with them when fleeing Icarus, was there?) and the Col. gets double paternity lawsuits. Will he even have command after this? Or will they rewrite the fraternization rules since it's a one-way trip into the universe? And the power demands to dial home keep getting higher all the time. Remember, the FTL is going away from the Milky Way every hour. (Skipper?! Perfesser?!)
The Colonel and Blondie was a dream sequence.

The power requirement increase is insignificant. The ship has been traveling for hundreds of thousands of years, a human lifespan won't see the distance increase significantly in proportion to that.

The Tau'ri never learned how to make or recharge ZPMs.

Building galaxy bridges is impossible because they made the first one by having a ship go drop off the gates in the proper positions, if the ship could get to them it wouldn't be an issue anyways.
 

B.B. Rain

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#82
I thought Col./Blondie was a flashback, rather than a dream.

And yeah, I know the ships can't get to them now. A couple things on that, before I expand my earlier point: First, in Air, when they showed Destiny's course, the ship wasn't exactly going in a straight line from Earth to wherever it is now, so if they can match Destiny's original speed, they'll catch up eventually. Second, the might, eventually, stop, or fail, or be evacuated. It'd be nice to have a ship already partway there for an emergency pickup, wouldn't it?

Anyway, I wasn't suggesting they use Gate-bridges or ships to catch up with Destiny. I was suggesting they use galaxy-to-galaxy jumps, relying on ZPMs or improvised power sources, to catch up to Destiny. I then pointed out that they'd go through a lot of IPS and/or ZPMs, and suggested that they ameliorate the strain, on the near-Milky Way-side at least, by building gate-bridges between several galaxys. It'll take a while, and deprive some planets, and be of limited use, for now, but every bit counts, right?

Besides. It'll be nice to have the work done now, rather than a few decades or centuries down the line, when they're colonizing and/or fighting in other galaxys.

Oh yeah, and Destinys speed is static. Earth is practicing R&D, and has access to a couple databses of possibly/probably superior, or at least equivalent, technology (the Asguard Legacy and Atlantis), not to mention their own occasional flashes of brilliance. We'll eventually develop FTL which equals, and later surpassess, Destinys speed.

Okay, the Asguard Legacy's probably behind Ancient tech always, whether Atlantis era or Destiny era, but that just makes it more useful as a bridge between current-Earth Tech and Ancient tech. Plus, Thor left it to us in English. Or at least with specialized translators.
 

Hawk

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#83
Honestly you act as if Destiny set out yesterday. It set out half a million years ago. If you traveled at the same speed and just in a straight line it wouldn't make it take a human lifetime to catch up, it would still be hundreds of thousands of years assuming Destiny came to a stop.

Plus I think they got rid of the Asgard for this reason. Because the one thing that the Asgard kicked the Ancients' asses at was propulsion. The Asgard could travel between their galaxy and ours in minutes, not even ten. The Asgard probably could have had a ship out to get those people off of destiny in a couple days max.

However the Tau'ri may have the database of the Asgard, but that doesn't mean they understand it. I could give the Romans thousands of technical manuals and textbooks translated to Latin, but it doesn't mean they'd be building jet fighters in a year.
 

SotF

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#84
inverted helix said:
Honestly you act as if Destiny set out yesterday. It set out half a million years ago. If you traveled at the same speed and just in a straight line it wouldn't make it take a human lifetime to catch up, it would still be hundreds of thousands of years assuming Destiny came to a stop.

Plus I think they got rid of the Asgard for this reason. Because the one thing that the Asgard kicked the Ancients' asses at was propulsion. The Asgard could travel between their galaxy and ours in minutes, not even ten. The Asgard probably could have had a ship out to get those people off of destiny in a couple days max.

However the Tau'ri may have the database of the Asgard, but that doesn't mean they understand it. I could give the Romans thousands of technical manuals and textbooks translated to Latin, but it doesn't mean they'd be building jet fighters in a year.
They do have Asgard hyperdrives though...

But considering I don't remember hearing hyperspace mentioned in SG:U, and the term FTL has been, the Destiny might be using a different type of ftl system.
 

Hawk

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#85
SotF said:
inverted helix said:
Honestly you act as if Destiny set out yesterday.? It set out half a million years ago.? If you traveled at the same speed and just in a straight line it wouldn't make it take a human lifetime to catch up, it would still be hundreds of thousands of years assuming Destiny came to a stop.

Plus I think they got rid of the Asgard for this reason.? Because the one thing that the Asgard kicked the Ancients' asses at was propulsion.? The Asgard could travel between their galaxy and ours in minutes, not even ten.? The Asgard probably could have had a ship out to get those people off of destiny in a couple days max.

However the Tau'ri may have the database of the Asgard, but that doesn't mean they understand it.? I could give the Romans thousands of technical manuals and textbooks translated to Latin, but it doesn't mean they'd be building jet fighters in a year.
They do have Asgard hyperdrives though...

But considering I don't remember hearing hyperspace mentioned in SG:U, and the term FTL has been, the Destiny might be using a different type of ftl system.
Rush said in the pilot episode that Destiny was traveling faster than light, but not through hyperspace. Indicating that Destiny uses some other form of FTL drive, but the differences haven't really been described yet.

They may have ships that were upgraded by the Asgard, but I don't know if the Asgard really made them equal to their own vessels, and I would expect it would be many years before Earth could build an Asgard ship on their own.
 

B.B. Rain

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#86
Okay, yeah, inverted helix, you've got a point about the catch up time between Destiny and any Asguard-style human ships. I hadn't actually realized the Destiny had been jumping between galaxies as fast as, or faster, than the Asguard/Human ships had been in the other series.

Although, from what I understand, it's been a year or three, in-series, since Earth got ahold of the Asguard database, which probably had some form of search function, Earth's had access to lesser or limited forms of Asguard-tech for almost half a decade or more now, and inter-galactic travel without super-powered Stargates would have been a bit of a priority, what with the Ori, Pegasus-based Atlantis (before it moved to 'Frisco), and other extra-galactic threats and oppurtunities.

And even if they can't catch up to Destiny in a human lifetime, or several, they would catch up eventually, and the ship is a very advanced technological find, the data it's accumulated would be useful as the Milky Way peoples spread out over the next few millenia or so (if they don't get blown up first, or whatever), it's a decent archeological find and an example of pre-atlantis Ancient design philosophy and culture, plus, while there isn't exactly enough people on-board for a proper genetically-diverse culture to form long-term, and they apparently won't be running into human-style aliens (and possible cross-breeding), so eventually re-uniting mainstream humanity with the descendants of a lost group of unwitting explorers is unlikely, they might eventually find their remains and give them a proper burial or something, if they never make it back.

Also, with tonights episode, who else figured they'd do the time-travel a second time? Can't believe I didn't remember the sunspot-thing, though. Very obvious, in retrospect.
 

Avider

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#87
I actually didn't figured the people we were watching watching the video would be just another alternate reality that got screwed.



It's awesome. See, if this was SG-1, the whole time travel thing would have ended after the 2nd group found the 1st video, or at least, at the end of the day, the people we're watching would be the main Universe. But I so enjoyed how we're actually the "1st" group, saving the "second" group.

[I think the only exception to this would be when SG1 went back in time and messed up the whole Ra fiasco...but I also seem to remember that some of them were still Universe A's people.]
 
#88
Hey, who else here remembers that Atlantis has the Wormhole Drive installed? Presumably, we just need to sit McKay and maybe Zelenka down in front of it, plug in the nine symbol address for Destiny, and then have Atlantis wormhole over there instantly? A few puddle jumpers later has everyone safely off the ship. (Rush heavily sedated, of course, 'cause he ain't gettin' off willingly.)
 
#90
That was a fucking awesome episode; they pulled it off really well. My only problem with it is that all the character development we've seen in this episode with Eli's mother's illness being revealed, Eli/Chloe thing going on, Greer being hardcore etc is now void since it was in an alternate timeline. Still, it was pretty epic nonetheless.
 

B.B. Rain

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#92
Huh. I was kind of expecting Telford to claim he was Young to spend time with Young's wife. Didn't realize she was so screwed up about Youngs' affair with the Blonde Doctor.

And was that Telford Young beat up, or someone else in Telford's body? The outfit and preceeding scene made me suspect the latter.
 

Terdwilicker

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#93
B.B. Rain said:
Huh. I was kind of expecting Telford to claim he was Young to spend time with Young's wife. Didn't realize she was so screwed up about Youngs' affair with the Blonde Doctor.

And was that Telford Young beat up, or someone else in Telford's body? The outfit and preceeding scene made me suspect the latter.
They only showed one stone on the machine so it was Telford in his own body. Sadly, that WILL result in a court martial as assault and battery on a fellow officer. Young acts very differently, very emo, when he's home. He's very in control of himself while on the ship and I wonder if living two lives is making him snap. Would be interesting to see him stuck in the brig with someone else in command because of his actions. The thing is, they really can't spare him on the ship. There just aren't enough people, and most of them aren't military so they can't justify pushing the civilians around. Something for a later episode, I suppose.

The chair... I liked that Rush is too cowardly to sit in the chair himself, and that Young told him only Rush is authorized to do it. Make him find some courage if he's so willing to gamble with lives. Of course, it may be broken, which would be quite amusing. Get all worked up, sit down, hit the button and... nothing happens. Then they have to figure out how to use it, how to fix what's wrong, and probably learn it does far less than they'd hoped. Something subtle, perhaps, rather than a library download.

The Lt. Scott learning he's got an 8-yo son, and the kids mom is an unrepentant drunk who strips for a living, and that she took his money but rejected the request/order to return to law school, that was a nice and realistic touch. Now he's got to either change her mind or go to court to separate the kid, which puts him into a whole mess of psychological trouble... or let things be and accept that his money will probably go to booze and drugs because she's on a downward spiral he caused by knocking her up at 16-yo. His fault. Chloe jumping to another man just proves she's as much an alley-cat coed-slut as I thought before. I wonder how long before Eli realizes he's lucky to be "friends" rather than a lover of that messed up young woman? A while. He'll be bitter first. The thing is, even when you're a horny fat kid from MIT, eventually you realize you DO have standards and Chloe isn't meeting them. Then he'll recover his self respect and look elsewhere.

Lt. Boobs was missing from this ep. Sad panda. She is refreshingly direct and I suspect she could have added something useful to the mix. I liked that the asian lesbian got to spend time with her gf back on earth. They had the healthiest sexual relationship of anyone on the show so far. Good for her. I wonder if she'll get stronger because of that? It would be a good direction for her character to go. She has grounding rather than emo fail like the others seem to revel in... like real marines and SF troops at that age.

I liked that Eli spotted the fake data on the world Rush invented for propaganda value. It was a nice touch. A division between Rush and the crew is important, though Rush is resembling the mad doctor from Lost In Space more all the time. Paging Gary Oldman! Eh. Whatevs.

So, still waiting on the early machine shop setup. They really need to start retrofitting the ship soon. The hydroponics setup is a good idea but it needs pumps and storage tanks to work properly, and raw materials for nutrients, including sewage processing since the nitrogen from that will make the plants grow better. There is no free lunch. They need to mine an asteroid, even a small one a few meters across would be a huge help. If the writers of the show don't speed things along for ship repairs and plot advancement this show may die in the first season. Firefly anyone? Doll House? Sarah Connor Chronicles? Jericho? All shows that tried to drag a bit and lost crucial audience. Right now SGU has the potential audience for all those shows and BSG fans too. Use it to your advantage, already. Sheesh.
 

Hawk

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#94
Terdwilicker said:
The Lt. Scott learning he's got an 8-yo son, and the kids mom is an unrepentant drunk who strips for a living, and that she took his money but rejected the request/order to return to law school, that was a nice and realistic touch. Now he's got to either change her mind or go to court to separate the kid, which puts him into a whole mess of psychological trouble... or let things be and accept that his money will probably go to booze and drugs because she's on a downward spiral he caused by knocking her up at 16-yo. His fault. Chloe jumping to another man just proves she's as much an alley-cat coed-slut as I thought before.
Firstly, I think the kid's mom turned down the money.

Secondly I don't think it was Chloe sleeping with Greer at the end, I thought it was one of the scientists.
 

B.B. Rain

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#95
Terdwilicker said:
They only showed one stone on the machine so it was Telford in his own body. Sadly, that WILL result in a court martial as assault and battery on a fellow officer. Young acts very differently, very emo, when he's home. He's very in control of himself while on the ship and I wonder if living two lives is making him snap. Would be interesting to see him stuck in the brig with someone else in command because of his actions. The thing is, they really can't spare him on the ship. There just aren't enough people, and most of them aren't military so they can't justify pushing the civilians around. Something for a later episode, I suppose.
According to Wiki, he's going to step down from command next episode because he seems to have murdered a crew member. Probably unrelated to his gaffe back on earth, just plot-drama located on the ship.

As for Rush and the chair...Yeah, at the moment I'm thinking cowardice, too, but it seems like a bit of a bad decision. I mean, he's unreliable, untrustworthy, manipulative, and really really bad at dealing with people, but he's also the biggest brain on-ship, most familiar with the ships systems, best or close to it at interpreting Ancient on the ship, most experienced scientist on ship with regards to alien tech, and the only person (available) to combine all these traits in one mind. It'd take at least two of the stones at once to replace him, maybe more, and replicating those talents in a few different people would be a bit less effective, since they'd have to take time to talk things out between them.

He's the best person to interpret the more technical/linguistic results of someone sitting in the chair, if it's anything like what happened to Col. O'Neill. Sit him in there, the thing starts to unravel his mind...Eli might be able to replace him, but not for a while yet.
 

Ina_meishou

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#96
B.B. Rain said:
Terdwilicker said:
They only showed one stone on the machine so it was Telford in his own body. Sadly, that WILL result in a court martial as assault and battery on a fellow officer. Young acts very differently, very emo, when he's home. He's very in control of himself while on the ship and I wonder if living two lives is making him snap. Would be interesting to see him stuck in the brig with someone else in command because of his actions. The thing is, they really can't spare him on the ship. There just aren't enough people, and most of them aren't military so they can't justify pushing the civilians around. Something for a later episode, I suppose.
According to Wiki, he's going to step down from command next episode because he seems to have murdered a crew member. Probably unrelated to his gaffe back on earth, just plot-drama located on the ship.

As for Rush and the chair...Yeah, at the moment I'm thinking cowardice, too, but it seems like a bit of a bad decision. I mean, he's unreliable, untrustworthy, manipulative, and really really bad at dealing with people, but he's also the biggest brain on-ship, most familiar with the ships systems, best or close to it at interpreting Ancient on the ship, most experienced scientist on ship with regards to alien tech, and the only person (available) to combine all these traits in one mind. It'd take at least two of the stones at once to replace him, maybe more, and replicating those talents in a few different people would be a bit less effective, since they'd have to take time to talk things out between them.

He's the best person to interpret the more technical/linguistic results of someone sitting in the chair, if it's anything like what happened to Col. O'Neill. Sit him in there, the thing starts to unravel his mind...Eli might be able to replace him, but not for a while yet.
Thank you someone for getting that a lack of social skills doesn't equate with uselessness.

Yes, Rush likes to live, he also knows that he's the best asset the people on Destiny have, and he's not willing to sacrifice that.

Frankly, in this particular situation, it's Young who's looking like an idiot. He's fine with Rush sacrificing himself, but not with anyone else...great plan.

The scientist woman, Park, I think her name was, looks like she might be an interesting character. we might get someone who sees sex as recreation rather than serious business, wouldn't that be a wonder.

Greer continues to be a bad ass, he frankly seems to be one of the most well balanced people on board, creepy as that is.
 

Moonkie

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#97
A mid-season finale...

Gaaah.

That'll probably cause more loss of interest than anything plot related.
 

Oni_kawaii

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#98
Moonkie said:
A mid-season finale...

Gaaah.

That'll probably cause more loss of interest than anything plot related.
I'm sadly going to have to agree.
mid-season finale for the first season of a show can kill it damn quick.
 

Light02

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#99
I should note that Syfy always did mid season breaks for it's shows save for Farscape
 
So...what reason could Young possibly have to marooning Rush? Despite the funk between them, Young has to know that they need him.
 
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