The MGLN Franchise

MastaofBitches

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Amaranth said:
MastaofBitches said:
Hoki said:
MastaofBitches said:
Can't they just replace her? Maybe now they'll tone down the Yuri overtones.
Well they can. The problem is would the fans (both Japanese, Asian, and western, but mostly the Japanese fans) like the new VA?

As for the yuri overtones? Highly unlikely, as it is one of the franchise's selling points.
They'll get used to it.

And let me have my dreams damn it!
I'm on this boat as well. That said, I hope it isn't an awful VA like Maaya Sakamoto or Kanae Ito... Though finding a good female VA these days is no different from finding needles in a haystack.
 

vic-vic

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Well, Motoko Kusanagi also has her VA changed: from Atsuko Tanaka to Maaya Sakamoto... well, everyone continue to see and enjoy the show.
 

Hoki

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MastaofBitches said:
Amaranth said:
MastaofBitches said:
Hoki said:
MastaofBitches said:
Can't they just replace her? Maybe now they'll tone down the Yuri overtones.
Well they can. The problem is would the fans (both Japanese, Asian, and western, but mostly the Japanese fans) like the new VA?

As for the yuri overtones? Highly unlikely, as it is one of the franchise's selling points.
They'll get used to it.

And let me have my dreams damn it!
I'm on this boat as well. That said, I hope it isn't an awful VA like Maaya Sakamoto or Kanae Ito... Though finding a good female VA these days is no different from finding needles in a haystack.
I was going to ask Amaranth what his beef with Maaya Sakamoto or Kanae Ito was.
 

Amaranth

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MastaofBitches said:
Amaranth said:
MastaofBitches said:
Hoki said:
MastaofBitches said:
Can't they just replace her? Maybe now they'll tone down the Yuri overtones.
Well they can. The problem is would the fans (both Japanese, Asian, and western, but mostly the Japanese fans) like the new VA?

As for the yuri overtones? Highly unlikely, as it is one of the franchise's selling points.
They'll get used to it.

And let me have my dreams damn it!
I'm on this boat as well. That said, I hope it isn't an awful VA like Maaya Sakamoto or Kanae Ito... Though finding a good female VA these days is no different from finding needles in a haystack.


I stand by my complaints!
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Hoki said:
MastaofBitches said:
Amaranth said:
MastaofBitches said:
Hoki said:
Well they can. The problem is would the fans (both Japanese, Asian, and western, but mostly the Japanese fans) like the new VA?

As for the yuri overtones? Highly unlikely, as it is one of the franchise's selling points.
They'll get used to it.

And let me have my dreams damn it!
I'm on this boat as well. That said, I hope it isn't an awful VA like Maaya Sakamoto or Kanae Ito... Though finding a good female VA these days is no different from finding needles in a haystack.
I was going to ask Amaranth what his beef with Maaya Sakamoto or Kanae Ito was.
Ehhhm, you're better off not knowing.
 

Hoki

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Hoki said:
MastaofBitches said:
Amaranth said:
MastaofBitches said:
They'll get used to it.

And let me have my dreams damn it!
I'm on this boat as well. That said, I hope it isn't an awful VA like Maaya Sakamoto or Kanae Ito... Though finding a good female VA these days is no different from finding needles in a haystack.
I was going to ask Amaranth what his beef with Maaya Sakamoto or Kanae Ito was.
Ehhhm, you're better off not knowing.
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That just makes me want to know it even more.
 

Amaranth

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If you want to know, it has to do with the roles they've voiced over than any other thing.
 

Amaranth

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Also, I just realized Kaori Ishihara or Yuko Kaida could make a good Nanoha. Specially a Kaida, since a lower pitched voice would highlight how Nanoha has grown...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHopMinimxg

Third character is voiced by Ishihara, the last one by Kaida. I reckon that hearing "Starlight Breaker!" in the same pitch Kaida uses on that last scream before the end would be EPIC!
 

Akiyoshi

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As for the yuri overtones? Highly unlikely, as it is one of the franchise's selling points.
It's naive to think the Nanoha franchise could get rid of the yuri but at least it could be nice it got reduced to its former level. Yeah. S1 and A's had its moments but it wasn't so constant or "in your face" about it. (the movies amped up the yuri considerably).
 

AJ_Katon

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Akiyoshi said:
As for the yuri overtones? Highly unlikely, as it is one of the franchise's selling points.
It's naive to think the Nanoha franchise could get rid of the yuri but at least it could be nice it got reduced to its former level. Yeah. S1 and A's had its moments but it wasn't so constant or "in your face" about it. (the movies amped up the yuri considerably).
The only bad kind of Yuri is the kind that derails the plot with stupidity or scenes that are needed to tell a good story.
 
Akiyoshi said:
It's naive to think the Nanoha franchise could get rid of the yuri but at least it could be nice it got reduced to its former level. Yeah. S1 and A's had its moments but it wasn't so constant or "in your face" about it. (the movies amped up the yuri considerably).
Agreed!I'm tired with 'on your face' unnecessary fan service.
 

Hoki

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Akiyoshi said:
As for the yuri overtones? Highly unlikely, as it is one of the franchise's selling points.
It's naive to think the Nanoha franchise could get rid of the yuri but at least it could be nice it got reduced to its former level. Yeah. S1 and A's had its moments but it wasn't so constant or "in your face" about it. (the movies amped up the yuri considerably).
You know, I'm under the opinion that the Yuri overtones in the main series is not as blatant as people make it out to be. The only things in the franchise that do have in-your-face yuri scenes are the movies and Vivid.
 

Tennie

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Hoki said:
You know, I'm under the opinion that the Yuri overtones in the main series is not as blatant as people make it out to be. The only things in the franchise that do have in-your-face yuri scenes are the movies and Vivid.
If you're looking for that kind of stuff, yeah, those would be your best bets. Otherwise, you'd have to stick to fanfics/doujinshi.

(Of course, I'm not in this franchise for the yuri--or any kind of romance, for that matter. I'm more in it for the action scenes, the characters, and the settings (in no particular order). But that's just me...)
 

AJ_Katon

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Hoki said:
Akiyoshi said:
As for the yuri overtones? Highly unlikely, as it is one of the franchise's selling points.
It's naive to think the Nanoha franchise could get rid of the yuri but at least it could be nice it got reduced to its former level. Yeah. S1 and A's had its moments but it wasn't so constant or "in your face" about it. (the movies amped up the yuri considerably).
You know, I'm under the opinion that the Yuri overtones in the main series is not as blatant as people make it out to be. The only things in the franchise that do have in-your-face yuri scenes are the movies and Vivid.
I've seen s1 and there were no overtones.
 

Amaranth

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Tennie said:
Hoki said:
You know, I'm under the opinion that the Yuri overtones in the main series is not as blatant as people make it out to be. The only things in the franchise that do have in-your-face yuri scenes are the movies and Vivid.
If you're looking for that kind of stuff, yeah, those would be your best bets. Otherwise, you'd have to stick to fanfics/doujinshi.

(Of course, I'm not in this franchise for the yuri--or any kind of romance, for that matter. I'm more in it for the action scenes, the characters, and the settings (in no particular order). But that's just me...)
I'm in almost exclusively for the military stuff and geopolitics...
 

Hoki

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AJ_Katon said:
Hoki said:
Akiyoshi said:
As for the yuri overtones? Highly unlikely, as it is one of the franchise's selling points.
It's naive to think the Nanoha franchise could get rid of the yuri but at least it could be nice it got reduced to its former level. Yeah. S1 and A's had its moments but it wasn't so constant or "in your face" about it. (the movies amped up the yuri considerably).
You know, I'm under the opinion that the Yuri overtones in the main series is not as blatant as people make it out to be. The only things in the franchise that do have in-your-face yuri scenes are the movies and Vivid.
I've seen s1 and there were no overtones.
I'd say almost non-existent, if you still count Arisa's tsundere-ness, A's has a bit, but that could also be interpreted as two friends meeting for a long time. A case can be argued for StrikerS, and only between Subaru and Teana. Force doesn't have any... yet.

The fanbase just has their yuri goggles set into overdrive, and some people in Seven Arcs decided to roll with it.
 
Tennie said:
(Of course, I'm not in this franchise for the yuri--or any kind of romance, for that matter. I'm more in it for the action scenes, the characters, and the settings (in no particular order). But that's just me...)
Count me in!!

BTW,does anybody notices that Vivid is the only one that have no relation with lost logia(yet) in the series?

I mean in the same timeline and universe
 

Hoki

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Amaranth said:
Tennie said:
Hoki said:
You know, I'm under the opinion that the Yuri overtones in the main series is not as blatant as people make it out to be. The only things in the franchise that do have in-your-face yuri scenes are the movies and Vivid.
If you're looking for that kind of stuff, yeah, those would be your best bets. Otherwise, you'd have to stick to fanfics/doujinshi.

(Of course, I'm not in this franchise for the yuri--or any kind of romance, for that matter. I'm more in it for the action scenes, the characters, and the settings (in no particular order). But that's just me...)
I'm in almost exclusively for the military stuff and geopolitics...
I got into it because of a meme, and I've stayed because of the fights and the overall awesomeness that is Nanoha.
 

Zextrace

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For a place that hates yuri so much, you guys sure like to bring it into a conversation a lot for no apparent reason.

Yukari may retire and the first conversation it brings up is the potential for less yuri undertones...Really?

It's not even "in your face," none of it is (Well, except for Nanoha Innocent). It doesn't take up much time, it's a welcome reprieve from all the beamspam, and their strong friendship makes sense considering what transpired during the 1st season. I'm about 120% certain you guys would eat it up if a male character was involved and it wasn't girlxgirl. Which really makes the argument fall flat, because it's not the "excessive" undertones that bothers you, it's the lack of a penis.
 

Amaranth

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Don't look at me like that. I never expressed even minimal interest in that part of the conversation.

Still, MY MISSILES!

Also, I'm convinced now. I propose Yuko Kaida for new Nanoha!
 

Hoki

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Zextrace said:
For a place that hates yuri so much, you guys sure like to bring it into a conversation a lot for no apparent reason.
Well now, I didn't know this place was the home of yuri haters. I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd.

Yukari may retire and the first conversation it brings up is the potential for less yuri undertones...Really?

It's not even "in your face," none of it is (Well, except for Nanoha Innocent). It doesn't take up much time, it's a welcome reprieve from all the beamspam, and their strong friendship makes sense considering what transpired during the 1st season.
The problem is not the blatancy of the yuri, its the fact that the need to have yuri elements, blatant or otherwise, forces other good story elements within the story to be shafted. An example is Fate's relationship with Erio and Caro, her adopted children. We are told they have a good relationship, with Fate even taking the role of a doting parent, yet we hardly see them interact with each other apart from training sessions and the occasional exposition. If we really wanted to confirm their supposedly good familial relationship, we had to go to the supplementary materials, and unless one really likes the story, they won't bother with it.

Compare that to the amount of time we Fate together with Nanoha and Vivio. I'll use myself as an example and simply state that I view those scenes as a friend with a little bit of child raising experience helping her inexperienced friend out. However, I'm obviously not the only person watching this show, and to others, these scenes are "Nanoha and Fate are raising a child together! NanoFate confirmed!" There's only a passing mention that Yuuno also helps Nanoha look after Vivio in the last episode. Vivio hangs around in the IL so much that she's has a librarian's licence by 10 years old, which you only learn in Sound Stage X.

So it's not the existence of yuri within the show that's the problem, it's that the creators favor the yuri elements over more interesting things that could've made the story better.

I'm about 120% certain you guys would eat it up if a male character was involved and it wasn't girlxgirl. Which really makes the argument fall flat, because it's not the "excessive" undertones that bothers you, it's the lack of a penis.
Which would explain the sheer popularity of Force here. We sing praises to it, herald it as the magnum opus of the franchise, and Touma is the best Nanoha protagonist ever, with Erio coming at a, sadly distant second.
 

Zextrace

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Hoki said:
Well now, I didn't know this place was the home of yuri haters. I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd.
Lets get real here. I don't want to start naming people but there are a quite a few of them here. And while Nanofate is brought up often here, it's never in a positive light. I still read horror stories about NanoFate fans treachery that happened years ago, as if to kindle the flame of anti-Nanofate propaganda for the new arrivals to this place.

The problem is not the blatancy of the yuri, its the fact that the need to have yuri elements, blatant or otherwise, forces other good story elements within the story to be shafted. An example is Fate's relationship with Erio and Caro, her adopted children. We are told they have a good relationship, with Fate even taking the role of a doting parent, yet we hardly see them interact with each other apart from training sessions and the occasional exposition. If we really wanted to confirm their supposedly good familial relationship, we had to go to the supplementary materials, and unless one really likes the story, they won't bother with it.
And this is the problem at its core. Rather than accept that NanoFate is a fundamental element of the franchise it somehow detracts from other good story elements. This is why I say that if it was heterosexual pairing people here would accept it as being a core to the franchise. Unlike NanoFate that is considered excessive fan-pandering and unneeded, a heterosexual pairing would be considered a necessary element for Nanoha's love interest... Ala Syaoran from Card Captor Sakura...who plays a huge role in the series and is Sakura's rival turned friend and love interest.

NanoFate has been there since the start, it's part of what makes Nanoha...Nanoha. They are the main duo. The amount of time spent on Nanofate in StrikerS is minimal compared to the amount of training episodes. StrikerS had 26 episodes, and achieved little. Out of those 26 episodes, NanoFate was a small part of it if you factor in total screentime.


Which would explain the sheer popularity of Force here. We sing praises to it, herald it as the magnum opus of the franchise, and Touma is the best Nanoha protagonist ever, with Erio coming at a, sadly distant second.
I never said anything about a male main character, only a male love interest. People here are more anti-yuri then they are logical about whether or not the pairing is actually good or not.

Also you can't decorate a turd. The biggest issue with Force is its existence in the first place.

And for the record, I'm not pro-yuri or anti-het, I go with what feels right and makes sense. No crack, tyvm.
 

Amaranth

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I don't diss nor support NanoFate (both the site and the shipping).
 

Hoki

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Zextrace said:
Hoki said:
Well now, I didn't know this place was the home of yuri haters. I must be hanging out with the wrong crowd.
Lets get real here. I don't want to start naming people but there are a quite a few of them here. And while Nanofate is brought up often here, it's never in a positive light. I still read horror stories about NanoFate fans treachery that happened years ago, as if to kindle the flame of anti-Nanofate propaganda for the new arrivals to this place.
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While the general consensus of NanoFate here is not good, In my opinion, its not bad either. Why else would there be NanoFate shippers in this very forum? If we were so anti-NanoFate, we would've burned them in stakes already.

And this is the problem at its core. Rather than accept that NanoFate is a fundamental element of the franchise it somehow detracts from other good story elements. This is why I say that if it was heterosexual pairing people here would accept it as being a core to the franchise. Unlike NanoFate that is considered excessive fan-pandering and unneeded, a heterosexual pairing would be considered a necessary element for Nanoha's love interest... Ala Syaoran from Card Captor Sakura...who plays a huge role in the series and is Sakura's rival turned friend and love interest.

NanoFate has been there since the start, it's part of what makes Nanoha...Nanoha. They are the main duo. The amount of time spent on Nanofate in StrikerS is minimal compared to the amount of training episodes. StrikerS had 26 episodes, and achieved little. Out of those 26 episodes, NanoFate was a small part of it if you factor in total screentime.
I'm surprised you immediately equated "yuri elements" with "NanoFate." There's also SubaruXTea on the side, NanohaXArisa NanohaXVita... Also, I think NanoFate wasn't there from the start. Nanoha became what we know of it today because of the genius suggestion that she looked like a gundam, and with that came the beams, and eventually a blonde rival with a penchant for speed. The guys at the production staff then started experimenting on which pairing would get the best reception: Yunno and Chrono being candidates 1 and 2, but apparently NanoFate came out as the most widely received, then... you know the rest.

I never said anything about a male main character, only a male love interest. People here are more anti-yuri then they are logical about whether or not the pairing is actually good or not.

Also you can't decorate a turd. The biggest issue with Force is its existence in the first place.
Well, for one thing, it will make the story more interesting. Why? Because of Nanoha's "I love everybody" attitude.

And for the record, I'm not pro-yuri or anti-het, I go with what feels right and makes sense. No crack, tyvm.
I take it you haven't read the pairings thread then.

EDIT: For the record, I am definitely human and most definitely NOT a monster, that means we're cool, everything's cool.
Also, I'm not particularly against NanoFate, or yuri in general. Girl on girl is hot after all.
 

Zextrace

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Edit: Deleted post since I don't really want to continue this conversation.
 

MastaofBitches

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SO ignoring Hoki and Zex for the moment, which seiyuu would the rest of you like to see take up the Mantle of Nanoha?
 
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