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Since Japan's anime industry is famous for its voice actors and the connection with their characters. Won't it be better to kill off Nanoha? (I really do not want that to happen).
Just find a substitute voice actor that sounds like Nanoha and everything will work fine. I hope they'll replace Nana Mizuki for the role of loli Fate, she sounds too old to be voice acting for a 9 year old character. Her voice will work fine for a villainous shota though.
@zex and hoki's conversation. I do not really care if the pairing is official or not. I am just worried that the actual romance and pairing will ruin the story line like AsunaxKirito in SAO. If anyone likes hetero, there is Fanfiction to make up for it, the only problems for straight pairing in fanon are - some facist yuri community is very fond of trolling, unessesary flames, and making threats, scaring off fans of new and old to write potential stories or there are just very few people in the fan base to actually write stories of hetero pairings.
Just find a substitute voice actor that sounds like Nanoha and everything will work fine. I hope they'll replace Nana Mizuki for the role of loli Fate, she sounds too old to be voice acting for a 9 year old character. Her voice will work fine for a villainous shota though.
@zex and hoki's conversation. I do not really care if the pairing is official or not. I am just worried that the actual romance and pairing will ruin the story line like AsunaxKirito in SAO. If anyone likes hetero, there is Fanfiction to make up for it, the only problems for straight pairing in fanon are - some facist yuri community is very fond of trolling, unessesary flames, and making threats, scaring off fans of new and old to write potential stories or there are just very few people in the fan base to actually write stories of hetero pairings.
On the topic of NanoFate. I never denied the weight their interaction have in the franchise. It just has never been my focus while watching the series as there are many aspect that made this franchise enjoyable on first place. My only issue is how the pandering has been growing bigger to the point the series is now starting to revolve around it. Nanoha and Fate's relationship became the core of the series during the 2nd half of S1 and remained a vital part of A's but after that I don't think calling it the core of the story fits as the story moved past them and we're meeting new challenges, characters and situations. When the movies came out I rewatched the entire TV series and noticed the differences in how much focus shipping got. It's good and necessary to have developing moments between characters to stablish their motivation and add chemistry but by ViVid and INNOCENT it feels abused and overdone but I give credit to some criticism I received about both of those being fanservice oriented manga and thus shouldn't be look under the same lens as the original series.
I was a total bitch towards FORCE for long time but now I'm starting to kind of missing it because at least it was trying to actually advance the plot. Don't get me wrong, it's still a big mess but some of the ideas it tried to introduce were interesting.
I don't like labels and I enjoy life-partner relationships. Nanoha and Fate are awesome and is heartwarming to see them share moments in and out of the battlefield. If some official conefirmation of them being a couple ever comes out I won't mind at all because it can fit their relationship in some way. For example, I love the very close friendship Miyuki and Natsumi frontier You're Under Arrest! share and they have been played/mistaken for gay without actual confirmation for decades.
That being said some portion of the NanoFate fanbase is really something. I already lost count of how many times I've read the "NanoFate has been canon for X years" meme.
I was a total bitch towards FORCE for long time but now I'm starting to kind of missing it because at least it was trying to actually advance the plot. Don't get me wrong, it's still a big mess but some of the ideas it tried to introduce were interesting.
I don't like labels and I enjoy life-partner relationships. Nanoha and Fate are awesome and is heartwarming to see them share moments in and out of the battlefield. If some official conefirmation of them being a couple ever comes out I won't mind at all because it can fit their relationship in some way. For example, I love the very close friendship Miyuki and Natsumi frontier You're Under Arrest! share and they have been played/mistaken for gay without actual confirmation for decades.
That being said some portion of the NanoFate fanbase is really something. I already lost count of how many times I've read the "NanoFate has been canon for X years" meme.
She sounds too old (not mature) to take a role of a child character, too old in fact she sounds more akin of a soft spoken adult than a mature child. Did you even listened to her? Her adult and child voice sounds the same. Though I really love her battle cry in both the loli and adult versions, it sounds like her powerful singing voice. There are still some room for improvement.
I can recite Fate's lines by heart, I've listened to her more times than I can count.
And to me, this sounds perfect for loli Fate. Nana also does Alicia who doesn't even sound like Fate at all; and is more kid-ish sounding, but that's not the type of character Fate is. So she has the ability to make the high-pitched voice, she just chooses not to for Fate, thankfully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAHDuofEiok&t=640
And to me, this sounds perfect for loli Fate. Nana also does Alicia who doesn't even sound like Fate at all; and is more kid-ish sounding, but that's not the type of character Fate is. So she has the ability to make the high-pitched voice, she just chooses not to for Fate, thankfully.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAHDuofEiok&t=640
I don't really know enough about Japanese voice actors to really comment on potential replacements or seconding people's suggestions. I just know that given how otaku are, how obsessive they can be, and the already rough lifestyles Japanese idols have, I do not see them being able to replace Nanoha's voice without any sort of major backlash from the fandom, and the niche nature of the franchise means they can't really afford to rock the boat like that.
Cool your jets,Amaranth.
Well,just like Aki said,some of us hate nanofate pairing not because we like hetero or hate yuri or not canon pairing.It because it look like the story is only focusing on them and revolve around them.It just like Nanofate is the story,nanofate development is the most important,anything they did become the major development in the story.
I admit that the pairing look cute at first but after long time staying with this series,I started to felt sick of it.Hell,its like there is nothing new.Even Vivid just
focusing on this two aspects: ViviEin (I don't know how the fandom called it but it is the same as nanofate) and yurism.This series have a lot of other materials to use beside these two aspects.A lot of other important character to develop.Anything!Just bring us something new damnit!
I'm looking at you,Tsuzuki Masaki!
I respect FORCE.At least it try to bring something new and move toward the plot.Shame,it went downhill after some chapters.
P.S: The opinion above does not involve INNOCENT as I thought it doesn't involve the TSAB or those "dangerous" lost logia.
Well,just like Aki said,some of us hate nanofate pairing not because we like hetero or hate yuri or not canon pairing.It because it look like the story is only focusing on them and revolve around them.It just like Nanofate is the story,nanofate development is the most important,anything they did become the major development in the story.
I admit that the pairing look cute at first but after long time staying with this series,I started to felt sick of it.Hell,its like there is nothing new.Even Vivid just
focusing on this two aspects: ViviEin (I don't know how the fandom called it but it is the same as nanofate) and yurism.This series have a lot of other materials to use beside these two aspects.A lot of other important character to develop.Anything!Just bring us something new damnit!
I'm looking at you,Tsuzuki Masaki!
I respect FORCE.At least it try to bring something new and move toward the plot.Shame,it went downhill after some chapters.
P.S: The opinion above does not involve INNOCENT as I thought it doesn't involve the TSAB or those "dangerous" lost logia.
I AM VERRRY CALM! SEE?!!!!
Also, Suzuki is not a trolling creator like Anno and Kubo. It's very rare for his kind to engage in indiscriminate changes to an story, sadly.
Mayhaps...
Would you guys recommend voices please. I already recommended the only artist that could make Nanoha give me an eargasm... And that's saying a lot given she's my third most disliked character and the most disliked protagonist I've read about so far. Yes, even Natsuru "denser than a black hole" Senou is not as low in the ladder as she is.
She reminds me of US Foreign Policy. And I hate the US Foreign Policy.
Also, Suzuki is not a trolling creator like Anno and Kubo. It's very rare for his kind to engage in indiscriminate changes to an story, sadly.
Mayhaps...
Would you guys recommend voices please. I already recommended the only artist that could make Nanoha give me an eargasm... And that's saying a lot given she's my third most disliked character and the most disliked protagonist I've read about so far. Yes, even Natsuru "denser than a black hole" Senou is not as low in the ladder as she is.
She reminds me of US Foreign Policy. And I hate the US Foreign Policy.
Just let Nanoha die with dignity eh? Not sure if many people will like that.
Weren't you writing a fanfic that lkhan described as reeking of "FUCK YEAH! 'MURRICA!!"? I guess those are two different things.
Also, I'm not really familiar with the US foreign policy except for the internet-inspired idea that the US government likes to start wars for made-up reasons. I don't think Nanoha does that, but then again you're you, so whatever sinks your ship.
As for replacing Yukari for Nanoha's voice, I, for one, can't think of any that will fit., simply because I'm so used to hearing Yukari voice Nanoha that hearing others will just sound weird.
Weren't you writing a fanfic that lkhan described as reeking of "FUCK YEAH! 'MURRICA!!"? I guess those are two different things.
Also, I'm not really familiar with the US foreign policy except for the internet-inspired idea that the US government likes to start wars for made-up reasons. I don't think Nanoha does that, but then again you're you, so whatever sinks your ship.
As for replacing Yukari for Nanoha's voice, I, for one, can't think of any that will fit., simply because I'm so used to hearing Yukari voice Nanoha that hearing others will just sound weird.
To be honest,I'm not good with VA because in the end it depends on the characters they voicing.For me,its Character dominate VA.How the character would react,the VA must react like it.Even though i still give my opinion on your recommendation...
DENIED!!!
Well,the reason I rejected Yuko Kaida because I don't see the relation between her and nanoha.How do you say it?I don't feel UMPH! in it.Maybe because it been Yukari's position for long.So,i can't imagine it be Yukos.
Oh yeah,my opinion on Nanoha is the same as amaranth.I don't hate her as a person.I hate her characters.I mean she always right.Her opinion always right.Her way always right.Those who she want to "save" always be saved.Its like she the embodiment of Good/Perfect person and Happy Ending.If only the show the Grayness of Nanoha more clearly,that would be great.Just like Kiritsugu and Saber from Fate/Zero.
DENIED!!!
Well,the reason I rejected Yuko Kaida because I don't see the relation between her and nanoha.How do you say it?I don't feel UMPH! in it.Maybe because it been Yukari's position for long.So,i can't imagine it be Yukos.
Oh yeah,my opinion on Nanoha is the same as amaranth.I don't hate her as a person.I hate her characters.I mean she always right.Her opinion always right.Her way always right.Those who she want to "save" always be saved.Its like she the embodiment of Good/Perfect person and Happy Ending.If only the show the Grayness of Nanoha more clearly,that would be great.Just like Kiritsugu and Saber from Fate/Zero.
Problem is Nanoha is a vastly different character from Kiritsugu qnd Saber and her series and Fate/Zero are as different as night and day. Nanoha isn't conflicted about her decisions in life nor her way to do help others (she's more about helping others with justice coming as a nice bonus, Fate is more classically heroic in that regard). Nanoha wavers when her close ones suffer through circumstances out of her control but she never doubts herserlf nor her personal principles. The setting challenges her ability to judge and help people, Nanoha's pretty easy to figure out actually. She's the person who likes to be there for others and who prides herself on her self-made prowess. She's strong but also humble, she knows her limits and believes in teamwork. It's believable to have Nanoha conflicted about a bad screw up but having her doubt herself the way Kiritsugu and Saber did is pretty OOC for her.
You say Nanoha is always right. I think its less that she's right and more that she's open to hear what her foes have to say. She's a fair person who wants to be convinced of what motivates the people she has to fight. It has led to some dangerous situations but her method has been polished with time. She's not a cold utilitarian like Kiritsugu who sacrifice lives based on numbers or a fallen heroine like Saber whose only goal is erase her own story.
You say Nanoha is always right. I think its less that she's right and more that she's open to hear what her foes have to say. She's a fair person who wants to be convinced of what motivates the people she has to fight. It has led to some dangerous situations but her method has been polished with time. She's not a cold utilitarian like Kiritsugu who sacrifice lives based on numbers or a fallen heroine like Saber whose only goal is erase her own story.
Ahem...
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As far as a Nanoha seiyuu is concerned, perhaps someone like Ogura, Yui She's a popular loli voice actor that's really young and has time to adapt to Nanoha's character.
Edit: After listening to her voice of a few of her characters I don't see how she can do a proper Nanoha, so nevermind...
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As far as a Nanoha seiyuu is concerned, perhaps someone like Ogura, Yui She's a popular loli voice actor that's really young and has time to adapt to Nanoha's character.
Edit: After listening to her voice of a few of her characters I don't see how she can do a proper Nanoha, so nevermind...
@Zextrace,I'm going to say it first...
BURN!!!!
Well,generally I hate Yuri.Usually I avoid those kind of stories.Unless I'm feel too bored...(Hint:Cross Ange)
I'm not watching Nanoha because I'm felt bored okay.In the beginning,I was attracted by it battle style and cute characters.At that time,the Yurism in the franchise is not overwhelming as it right now.It is there but not too overbearing to us.The plot didn't revolve around it as it is not main focus.
Be reminded when I said "hate nanofate pairing",I meant specifically why I hate nanofate.I don't hate it because it is Yuri but because of...reasons that I already mentioned above.
I didn't said this.
@Akiyoshi,
Thank you for enlighten me on Nanoha openness.Maybe because of some fans work,I'm started to view that positive value of her as her selfishness to force her opinion on others.
I don't say she need to be like Kiritsugu or Saber.I just want to see her at least fail once or have some doubt in her action or her enemies doesn't give a shit about her wanting to help them.I just want to see some "humanism" in her ,to feel some relation in her,you know.
BURN!!!!
Well,generally I hate Yuri.Usually I avoid those kind of stories.Unless I'm feel too bored...(Hint:Cross Ange)
I'm not watching Nanoha because I'm felt bored okay.In the beginning,I was attracted by it battle style and cute characters.At that time,the Yurism in the franchise is not overwhelming as it right now.It is there but not too overbearing to us.The plot didn't revolve around it as it is not main focus.
Be reminded when I said "hate nanofate pairing",I meant specifically why I hate nanofate.I don't hate it because it is Yuri but because of...reasons that I already mentioned above.
I didn't said this.
@Akiyoshi,
Thank you for enlighten me on Nanoha openness.Maybe because of some fans work,I'm started to view that positive value of her as her selfishness to force her opinion on others.
I don't say she need to be like Kiritsugu or Saber.I just want to see her at least fail once or have some doubt in her action or her enemies doesn't give a shit about her wanting to help them.I just want to see some "humanism" in her ,to feel some relation in her,you know.
I support America the country. I do not support "MURIKA! Friendship through superior firepower!" (that's America's schtick, actually).
It's less that and more that she seems to be invincible. She needs someone to make her reassess herself and make sure everything's fine.
Kaida is the woman to go to!
It's less that and more that she seems to be invincible. She needs someone to make her reassess herself and make sure everything's fine.
Kaida is the woman to go to!
Subaru didn't lose an arm. Her arm was damaged, but not dismembered. Ginga, now, she lost an arm. The severed arm was repaired, altered into a weapon, and reattached when she was brainwashed. The weapon modification was removed in a surgery after she was recovered post-JS Incident.
Also, eyes might not be all that easy to repair, mechanical or otherwise. Laguna said she was "all better" after she removed her eyepatch for Vice, but her eye still had a glassy, dead look in comparison to her good eye.
Also, eyes might not be all that easy to repair, mechanical or otherwise. Laguna said she was "all better" after she removed her eyepatch for Vice, but her eye still had a glassy, dead look in comparison to her good eye.