The White Devil of the Moon Chapter 2

[BF110C4]

Besides, Hayate's as frail as a twig. She might have superior firepower, but a simple kick could bring her down.

Yeah, Hayate is not someone who fight at close range... Maybe not as frail as you said, but her attack options are pratically non-existent.

But remember that if you do kick her down, some people will show up to make sure you will never have the chance to do it a second time .

Hayate is like Heavy Artillery, with Reinforce acting as an Advanced Targeting System she becomes more of an Aegis Cruiser, she can blast either dozens of high speed targets under ECM cover, or Nuke priority targets with accuracy and power, and like those two previous examples, they are under escort by more capable medium and close combat units.

But I do agree, the Sailors would eat most of the junior cast of the initial chapters of Strikers for breakfast, at least until they get their personalized devices and some high level training by Nanoha, being almost as careless and subtle as Sailor Moon in combat. Teana, a shooter with hoaming missiles, stabbing Nanoha with a Magic Bayonet comes to mind.

The least said about the cannon folder from the Ground Forces the better...

 

[Shiakou]

Besides, Hayate's as frail as a twig. She might have superior firepower, but a simple kick could bring her down.

Yeah, Hayate is not someone who fight at close range... Maybe not as frail as you said, but her attack options are pratically non-existent.

But remember that if you do kick her down, some people will show up to make sure you will never have the chance to do it a second time .

Unfortunately, she is as frail as I said, when it's a Senshi doing the kicking.

Consider that Sailor Moon nearly reached Outer Space with one misplaced jump/kick. Escape velocity is about 11.2 km per second, or ten times the speed of a rifle bullet.

But wait? She never actually left the planet! Alright, lets give that a generous portion and subtract half. That leaves 5.6 km per second or five times the speed of a rifle bullet.

A human body, traveling at 5.6 km per second, seventeen times faster than the speed of sound, with the force focused on one point on the heel or toe? That's enough to replicate one of Nanoha's SBs and then some.

But remember that if you do kick her down, some people will show up to make sure you will never have the chance to do it a second time biggrin.gif .

Same thing can be said for Usagi, aka She Who Has People From Past, Future, and Other Planets showing up to help.

Rant

Seriously, is this supposed to be a story or is this an excuse to wank off to one group of girls beating up another for no good reason? The Nanoha characters were taken from between S2 and S3. The SM characters were taken from the beginning of S1, when they've barely began using their powers. The main Nanoha characters are some of the strongest in their verse. The SM characters are implied to be of average strength, with Moon being the exception. Of course, the SM characters would lose in a straight fight. That's like setting up Precia as Nanoha's opponent in the first episode of S1.

/Rant

Just. . . cut the Senshi some slack. Nanoha is considered a genius monster even in her own universe, Fate was genetically designed as a super-mage, and Hayate plays Body Host to Woobie Destroyer of <s>Worlds</s> Dimensions. Yet it seems that people are actually drooling at the thought of the Senshi getting curbstomped. It's a little . . . disturbing, actually.

Random thought: Vivio is Sailor Midchilda?

Author said "No." apparently. Plus, she'd be Sailor Belka, if anything.

 

[Tsukino_kage]

I really don't have anything against the inner senshi. It's holier than thou Luna that I want to see humiliated. Plus Pluto, Uranus and Neptune with their superior smug attitudes.

 

[Minami]

@Shiakou, I'd just like to mention. The kick Usagi did was nowhere near full power. She just jumped away to dodge Kunzite and only stopped because of the lack of gravity. Second arc she tore apart Diamond's castle with a just a weak punch after being surrounded by the black poison crystal which drained her to the point she could barely stand.

@Tsukino Kage

What holier than thou attitudes?

Luna, was acting as normally as she could be in this situation she was in. She had to find the princess and the crystal so the world could be saved in the anime. She also had to deal with the less-than willing anime Usagi. But still, she always acknowledged Usagi's good points and considered her a good leader. She wanted nothing more than Usagi not to use the crystal to stop Metallia once she learned it would cost Usagi her life. Usagi grew to be more important to her than the world.

Manga, she wouldn't stop crying because she told Usagi to stay away from Mamoru and the damage it was causing her after Mamoru was taken by the dark kingdom. She's Usagi's biggest fan. She was the closest thing, Usagi had to an older sister.

Fanon blows the outer's reactions out of proportion. They were the only ones with the memory of the damage Saturn could do. They had to make sure it wouldn't happen again to earth. Until Usagi pulled out a miracle out of her ass, they were the ones who were right. Usagi, who despite being their princess they didn't know that well (much less her insane willpower) was seemingly damning the world to hell by letting Hotaru survive. Anybody in their shoes would do the same.

They hated the fact they might have to take a life just as bad as everyone else and they wanted to believe Usagi could find a way no one would be sacrificed. But they found that option to idealistic. They couldn't let themselves think like that until they found the Messiah that would be able to save the world.

Setsuna, especially doesn't deserve to be called that. She, believes in Usagi just as much as the inners do. She seemed a lot harsher and dismissive of the inners after Hotaru ate Chibi-Usa's heart crystal which was really understandable since Mistress 9 was created after eating the heart of her first friend.

In stars, they were simply doing the job, they were born to do. Keep aliens out of their system and away from their princess. They aren't being smug. They care about all the inners deeply, but there is a big division between the Inners and the Outers.

Seriously, fanon blows everyone flaws way out of proportion. They were doing everything a normal person would do.

 

[nick012000]

Random thought: Vivio is Sailor Midchilda?

Author said "No." apparently. Plus, she'd be Sailor Belka, if anything.

Midchilda is the name of the planet, IIRC; Belka was the name of a kingdom/empire that controlled it until it fell apart in a magitech nuclear war. Besides, the Saints were known for ungodly amounts of magical power, they're the rulers of the planet, they're the Jesus-figures of the Belkan church, the Cradle reached full power at a particular point between Midchilda and its moons, et cetera. Lots of reasons for Vivio being Sailor Midchilda or Sailor [One of Midchilda's moons] to be plausible.

 

[S J C]

I wonder what the Outers will say when they find out the Princess has sworn allegiance to an alien power. And most of her friends are alien?

 

[Shiakou]

Random thought: Vivio is Sailor Midchilda?

Author said "No." apparently. Plus, she'd be Sailor Belka, if anything.

Midchilda is the name of the planet, IIRC; Belka was the name of a kingdom/empire that controlled it until it fell apart in a magitech nuclear war. Besides, the Saints were known for ungodly amounts of magical power, they're the rulers of the planet, they're the Jesus-figures of the Belkan church, the Cradle reached full power at a particular point between Midchilda and its moons, et cetera. Lots of reasons for Vivio being Sailor Midchilda or Sailor [One of Midchilda's moons] to be plausible.

. . . Sailor Belka Moon? :lol:

 

[S J C]

Random thought: Vivio is Sailor Midchilda?

Author said "No." apparently. Plus, she'd be Sailor Belka, if anything.

Midchilda is the name of the planet, IIRC; Belka was the name of a kingdom/empire that controlled it until it fell apart in a magitech nuclear war. Besides, the Saints were known for ungodly amounts of magical power, they're the rulers of the planet, they're the Jesus-figures of the Belkan church, the Cradle reached full power at a particular point between Midchilda and its moons, et cetera. Lots of reasons for Vivio being Sailor Midchilda or Sailor [One of Midchilda's moons] to be plausible.

IIRC Midchilda was an outlying planet in the old Belkan Empire, Hence why it survived more intact during the Belkan Collapse.

 

[trevelyan1983]

Leave our awesome Fate out of that reincarnated Moon faggotry.? Bad enough poor Nanoha got dragged into it.

. . . I am detecting excessive amounts of SM-hate here.

No, you're detecting me being tongue-in-cheek. Otherwise, I wouldn't be reading the story.

 

[Shiakou]

Leave our awesome Fate out of that reincarnated Moon faggotry.á Bad enough poor Nanoha got dragged into it.

. . . I am detecting excessive amounts of SM-hate here.

No, you're detecting me being tongue-in-cheek. Otherwise, I wouldn't be reading the story.

Note to self: Sensors faulty. Get them repaired at nearest facility ASAP. Set up visual observers for Zerg movement.

 

[Mercsenary]

WOOO! FANDOM FIGHT!

 

[Shiakou]

WOOO! FANDOM FIGHT!

I think it's almost a requirement for a versus cross-over like this one.

 

[Megaolix]

WOOO! FANDOM FIGHT!

I think it's almost a requirement for a versus cross-over like this one.

Doesn't mean everyoen want one... <_<

 

[Shiakou]

WOOO! FANDOM FIGHT!

I think it's almost a requirement for a versus cross-over like this one.

Doesn't mean everyoen want one... <_<

No one wants one. Well, maybe Merc. . .

Still, all Minami and I want are canonical, as opposed to fanonical, representations of SM characters and a story that goes beyond a curbstomp or bashing mentality. In other words, a crossover in which characters from both sides are sympathetic and reasonably competent (at least as much as their canon counterparts).

The obvious sign is that Season2/S3 Fate and company are just too powerful for S1 SM characters. Given that SM is basically TTGL in shoujo mode, this comes off as a bit too contrived. Not too mention such a story would be predictable as hell. Where's the spice of reading a fanfic when you can already guess from the start where it's going.

For perspective, imagine a fanfic where the Senshi from the end of the manga shows up at the beginning of Season 1 Nanoha and starts pounding both sides. Yeah. -_-

Of course this particular story is not like that yet.

 

[Megaolix]

Maybe you should trust bissek a bit more on this?

 

[biigoh]

I believe what's happening here is a sign of the great Moriya Shrine Conspiracy! A plot to destroy all non-Kanako/Suwako/Sanae fandoms. Shady Eirin Drugs may be involved, as well as a youkai of the boundaries (Yukari).

 

[Fellow Sufferer]

I believe what's happening here is a sign of the great Moriya Shrine Conspiracy! A plot to destroy all non-Kanako/Suwako/Sanae fandoms. Shady Eirin Drugs may be involved, as well as a youkai of the boundaries (Yukari).

I feel obliged to go 'Huh?' on that one.

 

[bissek]

So am I. I don't even know who any of those characters are.

 

[Inaba]

So am I. I don't even know who any of those characters are.

Touhou characters. A wind goddess, a earth/tree/curse/oh hell - she's a former tutelary diety, and their priestess/descendant respectively. Some ridiculously ancient moon sage and Terminus of the Boundaries with a sex . . . well, okay, no sex change. Numina have no sex whereas Yukari's female.

 

[condonzack]

When I suggested Precia go to town on a general, I didn't imagine her killing him. It would be Zoicite of course. He loves pissing people off.

Something to think about: If the Silver Millenium existed, then it was an actual polital state among others. I keep imagining Yuuno fangasming over Luna. He's an archiologist after all. I would have the SM's fall being the trigger to the Belkan civil wars that devastated the universe.

Some extrapoliation:

If the senshi and TSAB both exist in the same universe they (should) use the same magic. This means SM magic is based on the same prinsipals. The princess wands are storage devices with the various senshi spells pre programed. If there were the right information and time the Senshi could learn to understand and better use their magic.

The Dark Generals should be written a bit stronger then in canon. Jedite can hold off four senshi because he actually knows magic. Why don't SM magic generate circles (the outward expresion of a mages operating system for magic)? Well handwave it as Senshi magic being pretty purely based on astrological layline alignment. This makes the magic different- for magitechnobabble reasons.

The cats are obviously a form of construct like the Wolkenritter.

Just because the Senshi are more limited in versitillity doesn't mean their helpless. They work as a team. Just because they can't fly doesn't mean their weak- it means they don't know the spells. Shabon Spray is an awesome debuff. Its not a binding that can be easily dispelled its a physiacal magical construct that prevents nonsenshi from seeing.

I would like to see Fate taken down by the Sailors. It would make sense to me. She would expect Mid or Belkan styles but get something totally different.

 

[Megaolix]

I would like to see Fate taken down by the Sailors. It would make sense to me. She would expect Mid or Belkan styles but get something totally different.

If you took the time to reak bissek's posts on the matter, you already know what will happen on the first fight and why.

 

[Shiakou]

Maybe you should trust bissek a bit more on this?

It's not bissek I don't trust, it's the <s>seemingly-constant</s> occasional anti-SM stance coming from quite a few reviewers, both here and on FF.Net. There are people actually hoping that the Senshi do something stupid just so Fate can go Rambo on them. Like the Senshi forcing Nanoha to go with Mamoru (ignoring that the Senshi were highly suspicious of Mamoru at the start). Or just plain wanting Nanoha to blast away the SM cast, ignoring that Nanoha and Fate are some of the kindest people out there who are quite capable of forgiving people who were fighting them.

Sorry if it seemed like I was jumping on the author.

On the other hand, one reviewer mentioned the possibility of Fate siding with Precia to protect Nanoha from the Senshi, citing parallels between Precia's obsession for Alicia and Fate's overprotective attitude towards Nanoha. Might depend on how long it's been and how Fate currently feels towards her mother, but as a child, Fate was very much willing to side with her mother despite knowing she was evil.

I believe what's happening here is a sign of the great Moriya Shrine Conspiracy! A plot to destroy all non-Kanako/Suwako/Sanae fandoms. Shady Eirin Drugs may be involved, as well as a youkai of the boundaries (Yukari).

. . . He knows too much! Erin, help us!

Something to think about: If the Silver Millenium existed, then it was an actual polital state among others. I keep imagining Yuuno fangasming over Luna. He's an archiologist after all. I would have the SM's fall being the trigger to the Belkan civil wars that devastated the universe.

By this point in time, Yuuno knows the Wolkenritter. If he didn't fangasm over Vita or Zafira, I doubt he would over Luna.

Luna freaking out about the Book of Darkness though. . .

Also, any chance of Luna and Artemis assuming their human forms? Fate and Nanoha would accept it as routine, but the Senshi would have a minor fit. I have this mental image of Minako trying to kick human-form Artemis out of her room.

 

[BF110C4]

I must admit that I am as guilty of this desire to see the cast of Sailor Moon being blown up and then having to experience Sargent Nanoha Basic Combat Course. I do like Sailor Moon, in fact I used to collect the manga and saw the Anime (from what I have seen it was far more complete here in Mexico than in the U.S., weird) and I do like them, but I hate their lack of tactical thinking, the best they did was having Ami scanning their enemies for a weak point or doing to much rare combination strike, no tactics, no cunning use of monsters from the evil generals, just launching attacks on the target of the day.

Thats the reason I like MGLN, there there is a more tactical mindset, they try to get close or to keep their ideal shooting distance, they work in teams with people who knows how to shield, or are support. I want to see that always, and the way things are the scouts will learn how to use their full potencial one way or another.

What I do wonder is if the battles against the Youma have been easy, or they had near loses or even being forced to do a tactical retreat before the state the war is now. That is going to be important in their acctitudes both inside and outside the battlefield.

 

[biigoh]

I believe what's happening here is a sign of the great Moriya Shrine Conspiracy! A plot to destroy all non-Kanako/Suwako/Sanae fandoms. Shady Eirin Drugs may be involved, as well as a youkai of the boundaries (Yukari).

. . . He knows too much! Erin, help us!

!!!

You... you're one of the Eientei! A rabbit here?!?!

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Shiakou is NEET!Kaguya?