What class and race to choose

pjanimation

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The quest in Hillsbrad Foothills, I take it? Hmm... odd, usually the AH has a few of those. Then again, I'm on such a high population server, my AH has everything, I swear. It might take a while to find someone to make it. If you buy the mats (2 Bruiseweed, 2 Briarthorn, and one Leaded Vial), and and ask for someone to make it for you using your mats, you're more likely to get someone to make it, since its not like a [Primal Might] that has a day cooldown on making one. Unless you already did that.
 

SimmyC

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Yeah. That quest.

Well, high pop servers usually have at least 1 at AH. Low pop ones? Not so much. Not to mention, even if it was there, it might be overpriced too.

First time I did it, I just bought it at AH. Second time with my priest? Well, my undead priest is an alchemist. :p Problem solved.

[edit]As for the help or lack there of? Depends I guess. Sometimes, you can be asking for help, and not get it. Other times, tons of people would be willing to help you. Guess it depends on the server, population, etc.
 

Dumbledork

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pjanimation said:
The quest in Hillsbrad Foothills, I take it?? Hmm... odd, usually the AH has a few of those.? Then again, I'm on such a high population server, my AH has everything, I swear.? It might take a while to find someone to make it.? If you buy the mats (2 Bruiseweed, 2 Briarthorn, and one Leaded Vial), and and ask for someone to make it for you using your mats, you're more likely to get someone to make it, since its not like a [Primal Might] that has a day cooldown on making one.? Unless you already did that.
I have all of the ingredients. And Ieven offered a small compensation for their trouble, but I got no answer.

At least I earn some decent money. I have about 220 gold now (at lvl 33)
 

pjanimation

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Okay, that's just odd. If nobody's offering to help, even though you've got the mats and are offering a tip... that's reaching the point of ridiculous. The only thing I can tell you is just keep searching. Eventually, you'll get it, or you'll reach the point where the quest is pointless (gives no experience), and it won't matter any more.

And, my god, 220g at lvl 33. I don't think I even had past 50g before level 40 (as a paladin, like a warlock, I didn't need to spend much money getting my level 40 mount [well, I suppose its a level 30 mount now]).
 

ar_ranma

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Are you using the Trade channel or the General channel (or regular)?
 

Dumbledork

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pjanimation said:
Okay, that's just odd. If nobody's offering to help, even though you've got the mats and are offering a tip... that's reaching the point of ridiculous. The only thing I can tell you is just keep searching. Eventually, you'll get it, or you'll reach the point where the quest is pointless (gives no experience), and it won't matter any more.

And, my god, 220g at lvl 33. I don't think I even had past 50g before level 40 (as a paladin, like a warlock, I didn't need to spend much money getting my level 40 mount [well, I suppose its a level 30 mount now]).
I was lucky to sell the armor for over 40 gold. But then, there's some stuff that sells for a lot. A stack of iron bars for 5-6 gold, a stack of bronze for 3-4 gold, a stack of wool cloth for 2-3 gold. That adds after a time. And various weapons and pieces of armor for 3-4 gold apiece.

And I don't spend any money.
 

Dumbledork

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ar_ranma said:
Are you using the Trade channel or the General channel (or regular)?
I'm using the 'say' channel. I press 'Enter' and type the text.
 

ar_ranma

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Dumbledork said:
And I don't spend any money.
This is the real reason for having money.
Cost-of-item > Grind-for-it
Ignore blues and even green in AH. Ignore ingredients (unless you're engineering.). Ignore potions.
In other words don't use the buying window in the AH for anything other than checking what price to sell <insert object> for.

Until you buy your epic flying mount anyway.
 

Serxeid

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Dumbledork said:
ar_ranma said:
Are you using the Trade channel or the General channel (or regular)?
I'm using the 'say' channel. I press 'Enter' and type the text.
Uhm, only people within, maybe, 50 yards of you can hear you when you /say. You wanna hit up one of the big cities and ask around in trade, since since whatever you say there will be heard in all the cities.

EDIT: In case you don't know, in order to talk in trade you need to type in "/3 " before you type anything else in.
 

ar_ranma

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/trade <message here>
I think.
/# that is your trade channel works too.
 

SimmyC

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Yeah. Simply pressing enter does not do it. <_< You have to join a channel to do so. Like, well, it was already mentioned.

Trade channel = /2 (said 3 before. But at least for my game, 3 = LocalDefense. Then again, this is inside the city).
General Channel = /1

Now, AFAIK, you can only join trade if you're in a city. Okay, that's probably wrong. It's the only time when you are automatically entered in that channel. Haven't actually tried entering it myself outside the city. :sweat:

And yes, for most items, do NOT buy it at AH. I mean, wool? Unless you're desperate to level up that First Aid skill, than simply grind for it (i.e. fight baddies that drop it at a decent drop rate).

Only a few times have I went and bought stuff at AH that I might have taken some time getting myself (mainly, ingredients to level up Jewelcrafting or Blacksmithing) and this was AFTER I have a ton of gold that I could 'waste' (after all, those are crafting professions. If, IRC, you only have gathering professions, than you shouldn't have to worry about getting mats).

Enchanting was the one I buy mats at AH more. But this is mainly because said skill requires more than just mining, skinning, or gathering. After all, to get the mats, you need to disenchant green/blue items. Not easy to come by (and if I do, I probably sell it at AH first anyways).
 

Dumbledork

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Need help once again. I'm playing a hunter at the moment, but I have no idea how to train a pet. All the information I found so far doesn't really explain it. I learned several skills from the pet trainer but I can't find them anywhere in the spellbook. So how am I supposed to teach the moves if they can't be found anywhere?

I've also read that to learn new skills I have to tame a pet and let it use the attack to learn it. Well, my pet has used the two abilities at least a hundred times and I still haven't learned them.

I hope that someone can help.
 

Serxeid

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I played a hunter for about a month before the guild hopped servers, and I never figured that out, to be honest. It wasn't until I rolled a new hunter a couple weeks ago that I finally got the hang of it.

You need to use the Beast Training spell, I think it's found on the General tab of your Spellbook. More importantly, you should go and download and install Gazmik Fizzwidget's Hunter Helper and Feed-O-Matic, they make playing a Hunter worlds easier! Might help if you read the Hunter article on WoWWiki.
 

SimmyC

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If you still need help with your hunter, the 'talent' you are looking for is Beast Training in the general spells area (i.e. where you have cooking, first aid, etc.).

I'll be honest, it took me a while to figure out it was there. Even though I've 'stumbled' on it before. <_<

And yes, I just noticed DesDes-san said the same thing. Basically, this is to confirm what he said is true. :p

The reason I kept missing it though, I kept thinking it said Basic Training. Not once questioning why a Hunter would have 'Basic Training' as an option. :sweat:
 

Dumbledork

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Thx. That did the trick. I was wondering why my pet sucked so much. I had already thought the hunter was lame because I died all the time. Now with some training my pet kicks ass. I chose Echeyakee as my pet.

As for the money, I know why I don't have much. Engineering is expensive. With my main I can sell all the copper, tin, bronze, iron and gold bars, with my hunter I use them myself to increase my engineering skills (I'm at 130 now)
 

Kayeich

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Heh, wacky hunters. I would have thought something called "Beast Training" would, you know, be under "Beast Mastery".

On professions, usually you don't get enough of a benefit out of production professions to level one of them as you're levelling a toon. It's just better to have two gathering (usually mining/skinning due to fact that you can't use mining/herb map finder at same time) while levelling. Once you hit level 60 and get your epic mount, or even once you hit 70 and can get money from quests and dailies, that's when you usually want to switch to a production profession.

There are, admittedly, some production professions that aren't too hard to level besides a gathering profession. Engineering is just not one of those, however. Especially as you get it higher and a lot of the stuff you make starts to have a "Requires Engineering (X)", meaning you can't really sell a lot of your stuff.

But you get a helicopter 'mount' and essentially best hat/goggles in game through engineering. And it has so much fun shit too.

Engineering is probably the third hardest profession to level alongside your character though, I think. Hardest two would probably be Enchanting and Blacksmithing.

Almost nobody wants stuff made from blacksmithing as you level it, except for some items other professions require (like rods used by enchanters) and chances are you won't be keeping it at the skill level where you're making good gear for your level without dipping into AH and buying ores/bars. And honestly, you'll generally get better gear just by running instances.

Enchanting -really- requires you to either run lots and lots of instances or buy dusts/essences yourself or lots of friends funneling you greens. If you want to level this alongside your character, either pick mining or tailoring as your second profession. You'll lose money, but not quite as much as if you picked any other second profession.

Enchanting really gets worth it once you get it to around level 320 though. Blacksmithing never really gets you anything particularly awesome.

Tailoring and Leatherworking are probably the easiest production professions to level and keep current to your level.
 

Dumbledork

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I tried to play a rogue, but damn, that's difficult. I heard they were great, but I got the impression that they are really wweak. Yeah, if you can get an enemy alone, sneak behind it and backstab you do a lot of damage. But if it gets help from only one other enemy you're screwed. So that makes most towers or dungeons impossible for a rogue. I tried sneaking past but was still spotted.
 

Serxeid

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That's why they have the "Sap" ability which stuns a Humanoid for 30 seconds, usually enough time to kill the guy next to him.
 

Dumbledork

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DesDes-san said:
That's why they have the "Sap" ability which stuns a Humanoid for 30 seconds, usually enough time to kill the guy next to him.
But they lose the surprise effect. And rogues are a lot less durable than even my warlock or hunter, and they don't have the benefit of a pet to tank for them.
 

Kayeich

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uh, what? If you sneak up to a pair, sap one, the other won't engage in combat unless you break out of stealth or he catches you (which he might well be doing if you're sneaking up from the front). You're still in surprise mode if you don't get caught though.

Now, assuming you're approaching them from behind, you should be fine. And once you get to level...22? 24? Somewhere around there, you get Distract, so you can make them turn around, and sap just fine without having to circle around them to improve chances of not getting found out.

Rogues are all about cheap moves. Everything they do is cheap and designed to make a combat situation go their way. And they just get cheaper and cheaper along the way.

Still, if you don't quite like rogues, but want to play something to that effect, try playing a druid. At level 20, you get cat form, which is essentially a rogue. You can figure out how you'd play a rogue to some effect that way, and you can heal yourself with a transformation to cow/night elf form, or become a tank by going to bear form.
 

Skwissgar

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Kayeich said:
uh, what? If you sneak up to a pair, sap one, the other won't engage in combat unless you break out of stealth or he catches you (which he might well be doing if you're sneaking up from the front). You're still in surprise mode if you don't get caught though.

Now, assuming you're approaching them from behind, you should be fine. And once you get to level...22? 24? Somewhere around there, you get Distract, so you can make them turn around, and sap just fine without having to circle around them to improve chances of not getting found out.

Rogues are all about cheap moves. Everything they do is cheap and designed to make a combat situation go their way. And they just get cheaper and cheaper along the way.

Still, if you don't quite like rogues, but want to play something to that effect, try playing a druid. At level 20, you get cat form, which is essentially a rogue. You can figure out how you'd play a rogue to some effect that way, and you can heal yourself with a transformation to cow/night elf form, or become a tank by going to bear form.
I'm sorry if my earlier post was just gibberish I forgot that not too many people know what all the jargon means.

@Kayeich: It makes me a sad panda over your opinion about the Rogue class (myself having a lvl 70 Gnome Rogue) and while yes our specials are "cheap" as some would say , I and many others believe that those moves are needed in order for Rogues to be a Viable choice for Arenas. Think about it, us rogues are the most "squishy" melee class, we need those stuns, incapacitates, and inter ups in order to even survive.

For example, one of my IRL buddies is a MS (Mortal Strike for the noobs present) Warrior and when I duel him when he is not in a stun of some sort I MUST have evasion up or I could very possibly be two-shotted which is not very fun lemme tell you.

On another note a druid is a very good class to take: Want to PVE, which Dumbledork is what I assume is what you would like to do, there are many paths you could take, such as: Spec Feral for melee dps and great tanking potential, or if your one who likes to keep people alive go resto for some truly 1337! HoTs (Heal Over Times) Tree Form FTW amirite?, or lastly theres Balance for one who likes to see those large spell crits.

And I'm sorry if any of this has been redundant I skipped most of the thread =) GL with your WoW experience!
 

Dumbledork

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I started playing about 10 days ago. My two main characters are my warlock and my hunter. They suit me just fine. I let my pets attack and take the mobs down from afar.
 

Kayeich

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Bah. Maybe you are squishy. If someone can even -hit- you. Your supposed "squishiness" doesn't mean jack if others can't touch you in the first place.

Stunlocking, evasion, interrupts, stealth, ease for fleeing, etc. C'mon, rogues are -designed- to be annoying as hell, especially in pvp, due to their cheapness. And given my strong distaste for ganking, in general, I just don't have much love for rogues.

Doesn't mean I don't recognize how effective having one at my side can be, but I'd still rather see a dead rogue than a living (or unliving in the case of the forsaken, I suppose) one. =p

And on a different note, you gone to any instances (aka, party dungeons) yet, Dumbledork? Those are where you can get some of the better gear, as bosses always drop blue gear, and most of the instance mobs drop greens.
 

Dumbledork

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Kayeich said:
Bah. Maybe you are squishy. If someone can even -hit- you. Your supposed "squishiness" doesn't mean jack if others can't touch you in the first place.

Stunlocking, evasion, interrupts, stealth, ease for fleeing, etc. C'mon, rogues are -designed- to be annoying as hell, especially in pvp, due to their cheapness. And given my strong distaste for ganking, in general, I just don't have much love for rogues.

Doesn't mean I don't recognize how effective having one at my side can be, but I'd still rather see a dead rogue than a living (or unliving in the case of the forsaken, I suppose) one. =p

And on a different note, you gone to any instances (aka, party dungeons) yet, Dumbledork? Those are where you can get some of the better gear, as bosses always drop blue gear, and most of the instance mobs drop greens.
No, haven't done that. I don't know anybody anyway.
 

Serxeid

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Dumbledork said:
No, haven't done that. I don't know anybody anyway.
That's not really a problem, there's a reason we have the term PuG (Pickup Group). There's usually someone looking to form a group for instances in the area, just keep an eye on general chat, and even say something yourself now and again. Plus there's the built-in Looking For Group interface, though not enough people use it.
 
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