What do you think of the Dark Icon Writers?
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I disagree with no one deserving a flame. There are people who purposefully post shitfics just to piss others off, and frankly, I'm badat keeping my temper in check, so a flame tends to be inevitable in those cases.
The important thing when flaming these trolls, though, is to do so in a manner that makes them feel stupid. Just pointless RAR HULK SMASH will encourage them. On the other hand, making them look like clowns in a public place thanks to their own actions tends to make them angry enough that they'll move on to another place to troll.
That said, I'd say you are the best of the bunch among all the DIW/PS writers, VoidHawk. And again, it's not that you and the others suck - you all have interesting ideas, some of which I wish I had thought of first - but the execution leaves a fair bit to be desired in many cases. Nothing that practice won't fix, mind you, but listening to reviews pointing out constructive criticism is very important in that phase.
Anyway, welcome to TFF. Please leave your sanity at the door, it will just be shattered in here.
The important thing when flaming these trolls, though, is to do so in a manner that makes them feel stupid. Just pointless RAR HULK SMASH will encourage them. On the other hand, making them look like clowns in a public place thanks to their own actions tends to make them angry enough that they'll move on to another place to troll.
That said, I'd say you are the best of the bunch among all the DIW/PS writers, VoidHawk. And again, it's not that you and the others suck - you all have interesting ideas, some of which I wish I had thought of first - but the execution leaves a fair bit to be desired in many cases. Nothing that practice won't fix, mind you, but listening to reviews pointing out constructive criticism is very important in that phase.
Anyway, welcome to TFF. Please leave your sanity at the door, it will just be shattered in here.
Aha!
My skull is made of neutronium (which makes my head weight a ton
)
Thanks for the compliment...and as for flames, well I respect your position, even though it is not mine ^_^
As for reviews, as long as they do not wish to completely change your story, I am open to criticism and ideas....
But...sometimes it is hard to please everyone.
I had my share with my own story, due crossovers (integral to the plot - I will not change that...as all crossover elements will play into my story ^_^ ) and with the AU nature of it (I still remember some rage against my version of Kanako back on the first posting of my fanfic...before it was taken down by FFNET making me loose 100 reviews then...)
Aww, and I said I would not post on this thread ^_^
Heh
My skull is made of neutronium (which makes my head weight a ton
)Thanks for the compliment...and as for flames, well I respect your position, even though it is not mine ^_^
As for reviews, as long as they do not wish to completely change your story, I am open to criticism and ideas....
But...sometimes it is hard to please everyone.
I had my share with my own story, due crossovers (integral to the plot - I will not change that...as all crossover elements will play into my story ^_^ ) and with the AU nature of it (I still remember some rage against my version of Kanako back on the first posting of my fanfic...before it was taken down by FFNET making me loose 100 reviews then...)
Aww, and I said I would not post on this thread ^_^
Heh
Too late...
Our graves have all been dug, and now we have to lie in them... :lol:
But I have no qualms about reanimating this thread. So long as the tone remains civil and the discussion is a fruitful and meaningful one(which the posters here have done a marvelous job of)...I see no reason why this thread cannot continue to flourish.
DKG seems to be MIA these days. Thank god for small mercies...h43r:
Our graves have all been dug, and now we have to lie in them... :lol:
But I have no qualms about reanimating this thread. So long as the tone remains civil and the discussion is a fruitful and meaningful one(which the posters here have done a marvelous job of)...I see no reason why this thread cannot continue to flourish.
DKG seems to be MIA these days. Thank god for small mercies...
h43r:Humm...
Hi Runestar...heh, ready for a VoidHawk Argument time?
(I may forgive, but never forget )
Nah, the subject of this thread was kind of wrong I think...to critizise without knowing is wrong, and anyway, if you do not like this or that group, that is a subjective opinion...
About knowledge, even the circunstances that first made BZ leave LP, and the circunstances that made us leave DI and then create PS were not fully known, and even those were commented, without real propriety over facts.
I agree with construtive criticism, and ideas. But start something simply to point a finger and say: They are this...and also that... is a bit pointless.
To say they are not "..par with our production..." or "the writers are ..." is a bit arrogant on my point of view.
May be fun for those combative ones, but it does not appeal (much) to me.
I may enter to say my own ideas, and also to point out something I think is faulty, othert than that, well ^_^
I read some postings were carrying a stance of alof superiority (Look, I am telling the impression I got. It is possible the poster was not with such intention in mind, but then again that is the impression conveyed) and then the critic becomes something like the thing he/she is critizing.
Such is not even funny.
Beware with this kind of position.
It is a simple idea, to be aware of what is being carried. Ideas and the way we convey them.
...
Well, now I did it...oh sorry, but I will never be accused of not saying my opinion over anything ^_^
Hope you do not get it wrong...but then again...
Hi Runestar...heh, ready for a VoidHawk Argument time?
(I may forgive, but never forget
)Nah, the subject of this thread was kind of wrong I think...to critizise without knowing is wrong, and anyway, if you do not like this or that group, that is a subjective opinion...
About knowledge, even the circunstances that first made BZ leave LP, and the circunstances that made us leave DI and then create PS were not fully known, and even those were commented, without real propriety over facts.
I agree with construtive criticism, and ideas. But start something simply to point a finger and say: They are this...and also that... is a bit pointless.
To say they are not "..par with our production..." or "the writers are ..." is a bit arrogant on my point of view.
May be fun for those combative ones, but it does not appeal (much) to me.
I may enter to say my own ideas, and also to point out something I think is faulty, othert than that, well ^_^
I read some postings were carrying a stance of alof superiority (Look, I am telling the impression I got. It is possible the poster was not with such intention in mind, but then again that is the impression conveyed) and then the critic becomes something like the thing he/she is critizing.
Such is not even funny.
Beware with this kind of position.
It is a simple idea, to be aware of what is being carried. Ideas and the way we convey them.
...
Well, now I did it...oh sorry, but I will never be accused of not saying my opinion over anything ^_^
Hope you do not get it wrong...but then again...
This post caught my attention quite well that I had to reply here. I must admit, the flaming I used to have actually changed my course of writing. Yes, I used to be an asshole with a huge ego and a rather emo person as well. Of course those were my childish times on the internet for a 15 year old (At that time; between late 2005 and early 2006) Proofs of me being an asshole is here. I do apologise that I've removed some of my lousy stories from FF.net, so there isn't that much proof except for this.
http://www.fanfiction.net/fr/693636/3198/287982/1/
Of course, after 6 months of that, I managed to found this, much to my dismay.
http://community.livejournal.com/fic_flames/83877.html (Sponge on ff.net)
http://community.livejournal.com/fic_flame...466.html#cutid1 (Boomchish on FF.net)
Now, after being pushed, and shoved around too much, I left FF.net for Fictionpress.com. And I must say, look at the difference in terms of content.
http://www.fictionpress.com/~outlaw02
What I'm really trying to say is that a bit of flaming could actually do you good, but if you end up like what happened to me, now that isn't a good idea.
http://www.fanfiction.net/fr/693636/3198/287982/1/
Of course, after 6 months of that, I managed to found this, much to my dismay.
http://community.livejournal.com/fic_flames/83877.html (Sponge on ff.net)
http://community.livejournal.com/fic_flame...466.html#cutid1 (Boomchish on FF.net)
Now, after being pushed, and shoved around too much, I left FF.net for Fictionpress.com. And I must say, look at the difference in terms of content.
http://www.fictionpress.com/~outlaw02
What I'm really trying to say is that a bit of flaming could actually do you good, but if you end up like what happened to me, now that isn't a good idea.
Hmm...hmmm.... *nods sagely, as if Zeni understands what's happening*
*then shrugs and scratches head stupidly*
Haha, just hope he doesn't come back someday and read that :snigger: As for the reason he went MIA....well......
There is a fine line between 'flames' and 'constructive critscism' I guess. I like 'constructive critiscim' and though some would call them flames, I like seeing them in a good light. It makes me feel as if somebody actually cares about my fic. Sure, words of praise are all fine and good, but they do nothing other than, sometimes, over-inflate my ego which isn't good in terms of fanfic writing. :snigger:
Outright flaming on the other hand is, in my opinion, wrong. Everyone, or at least everyone writing with good intentions in mind, have the capacity to improve. Foster it, don't squash it. That's my opinion.
As for spammers and trolls, there isn't much you could about them other than report them or ignore them completely. You flame them, you give them what they want. You leave them alone, they might get bored and leave, hopefully :lol:
Oh, and Voidhawk-san! Welcome! I believe I've read one of your fics (I've got an abysmal memory, sorry, can't remember the title) and it was really good. It was one of the first LH ones I read, I think, aside from Hawker's Loss and Redemption. That was over 2 years ago, I believe.
*then shrugs and scratches head stupidly*
Haha, just hope he doesn't come back someday and read that :snigger: As for the reason he went MIA....well......
There is a fine line between 'flames' and 'constructive critscism' I guess. I like 'constructive critiscim' and though some would call them flames, I like seeing them in a good light. It makes me feel as if somebody actually cares about my fic. Sure, words of praise are all fine and good, but they do nothing other than, sometimes, over-inflate my ego
which isn't good in terms of fanfic writing. :snigger: Outright flaming on the other hand is, in my opinion, wrong. Everyone, or at least everyone writing with good intentions in mind, have the capacity to improve. Foster it, don't squash it. That's my opinion.
As for spammers and trolls, there isn't much you could about them other than report them or ignore them completely. You flame them, you give them what they want. You leave them alone, they might get bored and leave, hopefully :lol:
Oh, and Voidhawk-san! Welcome! I believe I've read one of your fics (I've got an abysmal memory, sorry, can't remember the title) and it was really good. It was one of the first LH ones I read, I think, aside from Hawker's Loss and Redemption. That was over 2 years ago, I believe.
Don't shoot the cute wittle bunny wabbit with that pistol!
Ewmer Fudd suggests shotguns! :snigger:
As a certain somebody proved a few days ago, trying to kill a thread is impossible as long as there's Thread-Necromancy or Grand Theft Thread in session.
Oh, and seriously, please don't kill the bunny rabbit. ^_^
Ewmer Fudd suggests shotguns! :snigger:
As a certain somebody proved a few days ago, trying to kill a thread is impossible as long as there's Thread-Necromancy or Grand Theft Thread in session.
Oh, and seriously, please don't kill the bunny rabbit. ^_^
A wise man once said...
"Meddle not in the affairs of fools, for they will drag you down to their level and best you with experience".
Not coincidentally, another wise man also said...
"Sometimes, flames and acidic barbs are necessary against trolls, for it is the only way of bypassing their regenerative properties" <---A cookie to anyone who gets the reference. :lol:
Do what you will...
"Meddle not in the affairs of fools, for they will drag you down to their level and best you with experience".
Not coincidentally, another wise man also said...
"Sometimes, flames and acidic barbs are necessary against trolls, for it is the only way of bypassing their regenerative properties" <---A cookie to anyone who gets the reference. :lol:
Do what you will...
I think there is a general misconception running around here...
FLAMES are just that = worth less than a small bacteria, flames are worthless, never really produces any help and are the product of blind rage or plain lack of intelligence/taste/education.
Reviews and Critics = Usually helps the author improve, even if it comes hard to someone's story. They usually come without malice or rage, and point out the deficiency and sometimes the possible way to improve someone's work (on the reviewer opinion, mind you)
FLAMES are just that = worth less than a small bacteria, flames are worthless, never really produces any help and are the product of blind rage or plain lack of intelligence/taste/education.
Reviews and Critics = Usually helps the author improve, even if it comes hard to someone's story. They usually come without malice or rage, and point out the deficiency and sometimes the possible way to improve someone's work (on the reviewer opinion, mind you)
Can you honestly say that some fics don't deserve to be belittled, though? I'm not talking about the ones where just plain inexperience makes them bad, I'm talking about horrifying crap like the one I linked earlier, which is stuff with no reeeming qualities and/or artistic value whatsoever.
When you come across that kind of stuff, there's one of three ways to go about it. Ignore, mock mercilessly or flame to let off some steam at having wasted time on a turd.
I do NOT condone flaming towards people who genuinely try and just need help to improve. I do, however, condone it towards trolls and the likes.
I felt I had to clarify that point.
By the way, am I the only one for whom FanFucktion.net is being uncute? I have 6 new reviews to my latest story, and not a single alert for them...
When you come across that kind of stuff, there's one of three ways to go about it. Ignore, mock mercilessly or flame to let off some steam at having wasted time on a turd.
I do NOT condone flaming towards people who genuinely try and just need help to improve. I do, however, condone it towards trolls and the likes.
I felt I had to clarify that point.
By the way, am I the only one for whom FanFucktion.net is being uncute? I have 6 new reviews to my latest story, and not a single alert for them...
If you ask me, yes, I honestly do believe on what I wrote.
Again, flames, by the very concept, are intended to destroy, burn. That is radicalism and an expression of rage, whereas Construtive Criticism is a way to help and improve someone's work.
If someone took the time to write and post something, he/she deserves at least a minimum of respect.
For those wishing to produce crap at will, well. Ignore them ^_^
A flamer is basically a bully, unsure of his/her own work and wishing to exact his/her own sourness on someone else.
Well, that is my point of view ^_^
Oh, the alert system on FFNet is really faulty as of late...I recall that I did not receive any alert for reviews on Chapter 8 of MOVING FORWARD.
And hey, there is a fair amount of FATE/Stay Night fans here
I myself do like it to a extent, but its end was awful on my opinion.
And I love RIDER :wub:
For those interested I hold over 400 pics from it on my Online Collection, FATE Album :yay:
Again, flames, by the very concept, are intended to destroy, burn. That is radicalism and an expression of rage, whereas Construtive Criticism is a way to help and improve someone's work.
If someone took the time to write and post something, he/she deserves at least a minimum of respect.
For those wishing to produce crap at will, well. Ignore them ^_^
A flamer is basically a bully, unsure of his/her own work and wishing to exact his/her own sourness on someone else.
Well, that is my point of view ^_^
Oh, the alert system on FFNet is really faulty as of late...I recall that I did not receive any alert for reviews on Chapter 8 of MOVING FORWARD.
And hey, there is a fair amount of FATE/Stay Night fans here
I myself do like it to a extent, but its end was awful on my opinion.
And I love RIDER :wub:
For those interested I hold over 400 pics from it on my Online Collection, FATE Album :yay:
And hey, there is a fair amount of FATE/Stay Night fans here?
I myself do like it to a extent, but its end was awful on my opinion.
I myself do like it to a extent, but its end was awful on my opinion.
I can only hope that Kara no Kyoukai won't suffer from this apparent curse.
Most of the male fans of TYPE-MOON do. I prefer Caster myself, in terms of Servants.
^^ Not bad. I have around 4000 pictures in my Fate/stay night folder, (and around 4 gigabytes of doujinshi) but that doesn't extend solely to Rider, to whom I have around 150 pictures in her folder.
DP is going to be pissed that this thread is still going
anyways I agree with Voidhawk to an extent on flames
I have gotten very few and the ones I have gotten were so rediculus I had to laugh and move on but if I find a fic that is absolute shit I tend to lose my cool especially with the hidden yaoi fics
a fun read till all of a sudden some guy is jumping another guy and I am about to lose my lunch
:headbanger: pisses me off to no end that fan girls and boys like to write that shit
honostly though I have no claim to being a good writer and I am not one to judge any fics by so frankly I don't care which way this goes
but flames
I use them to cook my lunch
anyways I agree with Voidhawk to an extent on flames
I have gotten very few and the ones I have gotten were so rediculus I had to laugh and move on but if I find a fic that is absolute shit I tend to lose my cool especially with the hidden yaoi fics
a fun read till all of a sudden some guy is jumping another guy and I am about to lose my lunch
:headbanger: pisses me off to no end that fan girls and boys like to write that shit
honostly though I have no claim to being a good writer and I am not one to judge any fics by so frankly I don't care which way this goes
but flames
I use them to cook my lunch
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
You never watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail, have you?
A Vorpal Bunny is a white bunny with the same properties of a Vorpal Weapon in D&D, ie it can decapitate you instantly. It looks cute and harmless, but is one of the most horrifically violent and dangerous creatures EVER.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorpal_Bunny
Here's the Wiki entry.
You never watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail, have you?
A Vorpal Bunny is a white bunny with the same properties of a Vorpal Weapon in D&D, ie it can decapitate you instantly. It looks cute and harmless, but is one of the most horrifically violent and dangerous creatures EVER.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorpal_Bunny
Here's the Wiki entry.
as far as PS stories not being the higest qualitly at least im my case i'll agree. i only have 2 major fics that i have done and the first one sucks balls the second was was tons better but not the best i could do. (as a note i right mainly INital D Fanfics as im a car person and i pridemyself on the racing scenes in my storys, but the relationships and personalitys do need work.) but i do realy hate generalization.
now as far as flams go. i have been on the bad end of a group of flamers who only did it cause they found it fun. (all happened on FF.net and Outlaw02 is a witness to it) i'll admit some thethe flames did have a point to them but most where rambles of how bad the story sucked and how i should stop writing and delete all copys of my work.
When i flame is constructive its ok but when its something like what i got from GTSliverShadow, BoomChrist, and Wiseman on ff.net then it is not needed and just trying to screw writers. luckly for me i'm one of people you say you suck stop i say F**K off and do my best to make it better.
now as far as flams go. i have been on the bad end of a group of flamers who only did it cause they found it fun. (all happened on FF.net and Outlaw02 is a witness to it) i'll admit some thethe flames did have a point to them but most where rambles of how bad the story sucked and how i should stop writing and delete all copys of my work.
When i flame is constructive its ok but when its something like what i got from GTSliverShadow, BoomChrist, and Wiseman on ff.net then it is not needed and just trying to screw writers. luckly for me i'm one of people you say you suck stop i say F**K off and do my best to make it better.
I have gotten a few flames when I was still writing in the Teen Titan section. IMO, the ones I got were just plain stupid. Hilarious, but stupid.
But I'm more with GH on this one. Normally, I would say all flames are bad and unacceptable. After all, 'no one' deserved to be flame if they truly wanted to improve. However, in some cases, they DON'T want to improve. Whether it is due to them being an ass, or that they are so egotistical that they think they are the greatest writer since Homer, some people would take constructive criticism as flames. <_< For these people, maybe a true flame will kick them in the groin long enough so that they would take their stupid stories off.
But I'm more with GH on this one. Normally, I would say all flames are bad and unacceptable. After all, 'no one' deserved to be flame if they truly wanted to improve. However, in some cases, they DON'T want to improve. Whether it is due to them being an ass, or that they are so egotistical that they think they are the greatest writer since Homer, some people would take constructive criticism as flames. <_< For these people, maybe a true flame will kick them in the groin long enough so that they would take their stupid stories off.
I respect your opinion, but I'd like to direct you to FF.Net. It is a perfect example of what happens when you ignore the crap and let it grow like a fungus instead of burning it away.
Now FF.Net is flooded by yaoi shit, I have a hard time finding a single decent fic in most fandoms (just look at Naruto's), and the few good fics are systematically purged by the clearly biased admins.
What can I say? When teh situation is so out of control, flaming is the last resort. Squash the crapfests before they can spread, unless they actually show promise. If there's potential, just be a harsh critic. If the potential doesn't exist, KILL IT WITH FIRE.
That's my personal view on things, at least as far as FF.net is concerned. There's a reason why I created a thread called 'The Horrors of Fiction' in my section... while some of the fics in said thread could normally be salvaged, their authors usually do not show a will to improve when you consider all the fics they wrote, and thus get on my black list.
Now FF.Net is flooded by yaoi shit, I have a hard time finding a single decent fic in most fandoms (just look at Naruto's), and the few good fics are systematically purged by the clearly biased admins.
What can I say? When teh situation is so out of control, flaming is the last resort. Squash the crapfests before they can spread, unless they actually show promise. If there's potential, just be a harsh critic. If the potential doesn't exist, KILL IT WITH FIRE.
That's my personal view on things, at least as far as FF.net is concerned. There's a reason why I created a thread called 'The Horrors of Fiction' in my section... while some of the fics in said thread could normally be salvaged, their authors usually do not show a will to improve when you consider all the fics they wrote, and thus get on my black list.