Harry Potter Wow... I never thought anyone could fail this much
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Well, perhaps if they catch the Senshi in their Civilian form. Or if some wizard develops a homing spell. Although if they haven't done that yet, I doubt they ever will.
But even in civilian form, the Senshi have more experience dodging than most wizards.
Quite frankly, very little actually wins against Saturn at full power, you just get phyrric ties and loses.
But even in civilian form, the Senshi have more experience dodging than most wizards.
Quite frankly, very little actually wins against Saturn at full power, you just get phyrric ties and loses.
The Tarrasque is a pussy.
It doesn't have specific layers of armor, and said armor isn't tailored to repel certain attacks. It's carapace just deflects all ray, line, cone, and magic missle spells. Beyond that, it has some immunities, spell resistance, and its regeneration.
Its bite is pretty impressive, but its tail attack isn't anything to write home about though.
Is it pretty tough? Sure...until you realize you can just fly above its reach and blast it with the area-effect spells that don't do a damage type it's immune to. Then you can just wear it down and then wish it dead. A 17th-level wizard could kill the Tarrasque, let alone a god-level character. Hells, even the titan and the solar are scarier opponents. And that's without looking up epic-level monsters.
But if you truly want to see d20 monsters that will make gods wet their pants in fear, you owe it to yourself to buy The Immortal's Handbook Epic Bestiary Volume One. These are the scariest mo-fo's you'll ever see for your d20 game. How scary are they? See the cover of the book? That's the Tarrasque cowering in terror as an amilictli fights a seraphim.
It doesn't have specific layers of armor, and said armor isn't tailored to repel certain attacks. It's carapace just deflects all ray, line, cone, and magic missle spells. Beyond that, it has some immunities, spell resistance, and its regeneration.
Its bite is pretty impressive, but its tail attack isn't anything to write home about though.
Is it pretty tough? Sure...until you realize you can just fly above its reach and blast it with the area-effect spells that don't do a damage type it's immune to. Then you can just wear it down and then wish it dead. A 17th-level wizard could kill the Tarrasque, let alone a god-level character. Hells, even the titan and the solar are scarier opponents. And that's without looking up epic-level monsters.
But if you truly want to see d20 monsters that will make gods wet their pants in fear, you owe it to yourself to buy The Immortal's Handbook Epic Bestiary Volume One. These are the scariest mo-fo's you'll ever see for your d20 game. How scary are they? See the cover of the book? That's the Tarrasque cowering in terror as an amilictli fights a seraphim.
It's going to be hard to debate across editions of the game. I cut my teeth on Second Edition, but I've long since put all my 2E materials in my attic. The game's moved on, and mechanically at least, Third Edition Revised is a major improvement - talking about just that incarnation instead of the most recent one is like saying that you only want to talk about the first chapter of any given fanfic, despite how many of come out since.
As for the five strongest spellcasters in Faerun...well, Larloch, Elminster, Khelben, The Simbul, and Prismal the Outrageous might all have something to say about that, being far and away stronger than him.
Also, I'm just curious, are you referring to a specific instance, regarding such a high-level mage choosing whether to run or fight? Because even in 2E, there's no reason why the "fly and blast" strategy doesn't work.
As for the five strongest spellcasters in Faerun...well, Larloch, Elminster, Khelben, The Simbul, and Prismal the Outrageous might all have something to say about that, being far and away stronger than him.
Also, I'm just curious, are you referring to a specific instance, regarding such a high-level mage choosing whether to run or fight? Because even in 2E, there's no reason why the "fly and blast" strategy doesn't work.
Forest fight. There were too many branches to employ the tactic.
And Tarrasques, typically, are not found in the open. They're in caves, dense forests or abandoned towers. None of these is a good situation to try flying around and nuking. So most of the time you'll have to fight it head on, which tends to be suicidal at best.
And Tarrasques, typically, are not found in the open. They're in caves, dense forests or abandoned towers. None of these is a good situation to try flying around and nuking. So most of the time you'll have to fight it head on, which tends to be suicidal at best.
Um, what? :blink:
The Tarrasque is a Godzilla-sized engine of destruction. It's large enough to easily stand above even the largest of trees, to say nothing of the fact that it'd level anything in its path that presents an obstacle, including forests. There are damn few caves large enough to hold its bulk, and the thought of it being inside a tower is ludicrous.
Saying you can't blast it from the air because of branches is utterly ridiculous. Even if that were true, a smart mage would just blow up the bloody forest to get a clear path.
The Tarrasque is a Godzilla-sized engine of destruction. It's large enough to easily stand above even the largest of trees, to say nothing of the fact that it'd level anything in its path that presents an obstacle, including forests. There are damn few caves large enough to hold its bulk, and the thought of it being inside a tower is ludicrous.
Saying you can't blast it from the air because of branches is utterly ridiculous. Even if that were true, a smart mage would just blow up the bloody forest to get a clear path.
As far as I remember from the old rules, there is only ONE Terrasque, not bunches of them running around like ants. 
And calling ANYTHING with 858 HP is a pretty bold statement, especially considering all the things this monster is immune to. What did you plan to fly up and bomb it with, when it's immune to fire and any ray, cone, or line attack?
Lastly, from the page you showed:
No form of attack deals lethal damage to the tarrasque. so a killing curse would make this thing yawn.
And you can only kill it by beating the shit out of it and using a wish spell, which just about any DM in his right mind keeps from normal player characters to keep the game from turning into a crap fest.
As fast as the Terrasque regenerates, and as much damage as it does, I'm sorry - the Potter People would be sobbing under their beds if it came to town.
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-Random
And calling ANYTHING with 858 HP is a pretty bold statement, especially considering all the things this monster is immune to. What did you plan to fly up and bomb it with, when it's immune to fire and any ray, cone, or line attack?
Lastly, from the page you showed:
No form of attack deals lethal damage to the tarrasque. so a killing curse would make this thing yawn.
And you can only kill it by beating the shit out of it and using a wish spell, which just about any DM in his right mind keeps from normal player characters to keep the game from turning into a crap fest.
As fast as the Terrasque regenerates, and as much damage as it does, I'm sorry - the Potter People would be sobbing under their beds if it came to town.
Golly I love these nerdy conversations!! :yay:
-Random
As far as I remember from the old rules, there is only ONE Terrasque, not bunches of them running around like ants.?
If I was just dealing hit point damage, then I'd use fireballs that were Energy Admixtured (from Complete Arcane) so that they were acidballs instead. Then it'd be an area-effect spell dealing acid damage. Then repeat.
You didn't read the rest of the paragraph:
So a killing curse would put this thing down, and leave it vulnerable to a wish spell then taking it out.
It's kind of hard to do that, since sorcerers can choose their spells, and wizards gain two new spells of any spell level they can cast each time they gain a level. Likewise, there's no reason a cleric couldn't pepare a miracle spell either (the divine version of wish).
Well...yeah, that's true. Their magic is bush league compared to what D&D tosses around.
Amen brother. ^_^
Alzrius said:
As far as I remember from the old rules, there is only ONE Terrasque, not bunches of them running around like ants.á
If I was just dealing hit point damage, then I'd use fireballs that were Energy Admixtured (from Complete Arcane) so that they were acidballs instead. Then it'd be an area-effect spell dealing acid damage. Then repeat.
You didn't read the rest of the paragraph:
So a killing curse would put this thing down, and leave it vulnerable to a wish spell then taking it out.
It's kind of hard to do that, since sorcerers can choose their spells, and wizards gain two new spells of any spell level they can cast each time they gain a level. Likewise, there's no reason a cleric couldn't pepare a miracle spell either (the divine version of wish).
Well...yeah, that's true. Their magic is bush league compared to what D&D tosses around.
Amen brother. ^_^
Choosing your own spells? Mixing acid and fire? Fly spells that last for more than a few rounds?
You kids today have it easy. My DM would have laughed at your new fangled character sheet as he was tearing it up and pissing on it.
Permit me to rephrase my arguement.
AHEM.
Using AD&D first edition rules, and the AD&D first edition Terrasque, killing the thing is damn near impossible, and anyone that saw it coming would put their heads between their legs and kiss their asses goodbye.
Fixed ^_^
-Random
Oh lordy, more of this. Was your DM Gary Gygax? I know a guy who says that original D&D (back before it even became formally First Edition) is the only true D&D, and all others are fakes.
Yes in 1E the Tarrasque would have been an unstoppable force (although I hold that the "fly and fry" tactic would have worked, since some spells would still be good choices). But then, a lot of things have changed in the last thirty years.
Personally, I like that the game has more upward mobility now, and you can face forces that'd make the Tarrasque run away crying, but that's just me.
Incidentally, that book I linked to at the top of this page is based off of a 1E campaign that a guy took into the uber-epic levels. I like the irony in that, since that's the edition that had the least coverage given to truly cosmic gaming.
Yes in 1E the Tarrasque would have been an unstoppable force (although I hold that the "fly and fry" tactic would have worked, since some spells would still be good choices). But then, a lot of things have changed in the last thirty years.
Personally, I like that the game has more upward mobility now, and you can face forces that'd make the Tarrasque run away crying, but that's just me.
Incidentally, that book I linked to at the top of this page is based off of a 1E campaign that a guy took into the uber-epic levels. I like the irony in that, since that's the edition that had the least coverage given to truly cosmic gaming.
Sailor Senshi Vs Harry Potter....
hmmm Harry wouldn't stand a chance if he was a normal, angsty, Ginny-loving boy like he is in the books but hey... what if he turned all evil and badass?
In my imagination... (which is pretty big, i might say... I dream of my own works when i've been intensely working on them) i could see Harry nailing Moon with a reductor to the chest, then followed up by a bone breaker, then if he was fast enough, he would either try to summon a Basilisk...
He'd better take away Saturns big ass Naginata... so she can't become the Apocalypse... and well... Pluto should be the only one who could stand against him, because she can travel through time... but hey... a gunshot takes care of them all.... :flameon: :lonegunman:
hmmm Harry wouldn't stand a chance if he was a normal, angsty, Ginny-loving boy like he is in the books but hey... what if he turned all evil and badass?
In my imagination... (which is pretty big, i might say... I dream of my own works when i've been intensely working on them) i could see Harry nailing Moon with a reductor to the chest, then followed up by a bone breaker, then if he was fast enough, he would either try to summon a Basilisk...
He'd better take away Saturns big ass Naginata... so she can't become the Apocalypse... and well... Pluto should be the only one who could stand against him, because she can travel through time... but hey... a gunshot takes care of them all.... :flameon: :lonegunman: