Harry Potter Wow... I never thought anyone could fail this much

[GaelicDragon]

Senshi vs. HP?

Depends on the persons take on both styles of magic.

Let's be honest, good Harry or "bad ass" Harry both have had one of the best teachers in terror tactics in viewing how Voldemort did things. Take those and switch them around and he can have the Senshi having panic attacks from looking over their shoulders so much. He might not have to cast any overly complicated spells.

Hell, transfiguring something into a wall against most of the Senshi's attacks would cause enough confusion initially to get a few shots in.

To be perfectly honest DGoC, Harry doesn't need to be "Dark" to beat them. Actually, being a prankster would put him in better stead against opponents with different magic styles.

 

[ttestagr]

Versus the Senshi? A few modified Canary Creams, and with quick action you have a nice chicken dinner :lol:

 

[Moshulel]

HP vs the Senshi?

The senshi hands down. The HP magic is quite weak by all accounts and let's not forget that the magical armors the senshi have also absorb magic attacks.

Also keep in mind that where Pluto fails, Mars has something to add... so i doubt they'll be caught unaware.

 

[Israfel]

Oh, sweet, Demon God of Chaos is on here? Awesome, but as for HP vs Senshi, well it would depend on how far the Senshi were developed (power-wise) and just what the true extents of HP world magic really is, because admittedly we've seen only a very small amount of what magic is capable of in the books, all that we've seen so far has been mostly schoolyard stuff outside of the Unforgivables, so it's kind of hard to judge HP magic. So I would say that there is ways that the HP cast could and, with the right tactics, most likely would win, but the Senshi have a just as good of a shot.

 

[Fatuous One]

*sigh*

The problem with saying "If HP got creative... etc. etc. he'd win", is that it's pointless, since Harry (and dare I say, almost EVERY HP wizard) is about as creative as a block of cement. It's all well and good to say that a prankster Harry could confuse the senshi and win, but that's NOT canon Harry. It's also by the same means of saying that if Usagi suddenly became a serious leader, the senshi could easily mop the floor with everyone else, or that the senshi went dark and evil... etc.

CANONLY, (meaning that all of them with their original personalities/abilities/skills) the senshi (although... stupid) would win. They could, conceivable, take a few loses if there was a spread of killing curses, but the senshi have been KNOWN to be able to dodge fast flying crap, (and are also very durable, not something that HP wizards can boast) so I see no reason why they wouldn't be able to dodge a green glowy spell. Also, due to both Mars and Pluto, they'd very likely have fair warning of any wizard attacks. Senshi magic is also pretty powerful on a whole, so I can't see wizards (who prefer hiding behind shield spells inside of dodging) to make much resistance with actually getting back up from an attack.

As I said, on a whole, wizards have shown to have only enough common sense to feel a thimble, if that. And their creative skills are ALSO lacking, barring a few spare wizards that I still find unlikely to actually properly combat the senshi (And no, Harry has NOT been shown to have too much creativity, or common sense at points either, even with HBP not included).

I've said this before, and I'll say it again.

HP = Possibly THE weakest magic system in all of fanfiction.

 

[Moshulel]

Because admittedly we've seen only a very small amount of what magic is capable of in the books, all that we've seen so far has been mostly schoolyard stuff outside of the Unforgivables, so it's kind of hard to judge HP magic. So I would say that there is ways that the HP cast could and, with the right tactics, most likely would win, but the Senshi have a just as good of a shot.

Just one problem with that. We've got the three most deadly curse already lined up in HP and frankly compared to the SM abilities they aren't a match, not by far.

Also it took 15 years *more or less* to Voldemort to get back on tracks, and he was supposedly one of the two strongest out there. Compared to that Usagi was able to resurrect a whole planet...

And tactics were never a strong point for the HP cast.

HP = Possibly THE weakest magic system in all of fanfiction.

True.

 

[Israfel]

Just one problem with that. We've got the three most deadly curse already lined up in HP and frankly compared to the SM abilities they aren't a match, not by far.

Also it took 15 years *more or less* to Voldemort to get back on tracks, and he was supposedly one of the two strongest out there. Compared to that Usagi was able to resurrect a whole planet...

And tactics were never a strong point for the HP cast.

True, I know, but I'm a fan of HP so I've got to at least try to defend it. Meh, oh well.

 

[Moshulel]

True, I know, but I'm a fan of HP so I've got to at least try to defend it. Meh, oh well.

I like the books too, up to a point. On the other hand i'm not such a big fan of the Senshi, but they do deserve some credit in this issue.

Meh, i actually doubt there are any magic systems weaker than the HP one. It would be a challenge for someone to find a weaker system.

 

[cilrais]

Wheel of Time comes to mind.

 

[ttestagr]

The Wheel of Time weaker than Harry Potter!?!?! :huh!:

Any magic system that has a fairly accessable way to BURN YOU OUT OF EXISTANCE cannot be weak. Balefire owns everything.

 

[Hawk]

Yeah... I mean, the Killing Curse? That just kills you.

Balefire... That kills you before you were killed!

 

[Hawk]

Not to forget 'tiny' stuff like magic:ing up a freaking volcano, single-handedly!

 

[cilrais]

I was more thinking how crappy most the Aes Sedai were after the breaking, obviously the Dragon Reborn and the Forsaken and anything from the pre-breaking era outclass HP by a good bit.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Not to forget 'tiny' stuff like magic:ing up a freaking volcano, single-handedly!

That's why I'd love to see a well-done HP/Magic: the Gathering crossover. Making volcanoes randomly appear is smallfry for a Planeswalker... try something more along the lines of blowing up an island the size of Australia in a single spell. :snigger:

Yes, I mostly want to see Planeswalker!Harry blow Voldemort up without effort. :snigger:

 

[Moshulel]

Wheel of Time comes to mind.

:huh!:

We are talking about a series that deals with gods here...

 

[Hawk]

> I was more thinking how crappy most the Aes Sedai were after the breaking,
> obviously the Dragon Reborn and the Forsaken and anything from the
> pre-breaking era outclass HP by a good bit.

Well, they don't go around magic:ing up vulcanoes'n stuff in the time around Eye of the World certainly, but there's some pretty powerful channelers running around who aren't Rand or Forsaken.

Even if it was a bunch of pansies... Link 'em and kazowie, mucho power.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Negima is probably the best match for HP. While Negi's spells are certainly more powerful, the aria you need to chant for most of them tends to take so much time that any HP mage can toss a quick Reducto to disrupt the casting.

That, of course, is where partners come in, though. A Negima mage by HIMSELF would probably lose. A partnered mage? The partner alone can probably win.

 

[Moshulel]

That, of course, is where partners come in, though. A Negima mage by HIMSELF would probably lose. A partnered mage? The partner alone can probably win.

Depends who you're talking about... plenty of guys in Negima that can defeat the HP chars without breaking a sweat.

Not going to spoil it though...

 

[GenocideHeart]

That, of course, is where partners come in, though. A Negima mage by HIMSELF would probably lose. A partnered mage? The partner alone can probably win.

Depends who you're talking about... plenty of guys in Negima that can defeat the HP chars without breaking a sweat.

Not going to spoil it though...

I'm specifically referring to MAGES. As in Ministra Magi.

Those spells of theirs leave them totally vulnerable while casting, Evangeline all but drilled the point home. HP spells are much less powerful, but also a LOT faster. And since a simple tap with a finger is enough to disrupt a Negima mage's casting, I don't see any partnerless Ministra Magi being able to beat a HP wizard in a straight spellcasting challenge.

 

[Moshulel]

I'm specifically referring to MAGES. As in Ministra Magi.

And there are still guys that are mages and can kick the HP guys asses without a sweat.

And then again don't forget that there are mages that fight alongside the partners...

 

[Fatuous One]

I bet Chibi-mage could probably take out a bunch of them HP mages.

 

[GenocideHeart]

I'm specifically referring to MAGES. As in Ministra Magi.

And there are still guys that are mages and can kick the HP guys asses without a sweat.

And then again don't forget that there are mages that fight alongside the partners...

And since a simple tap with a finger is enough to disrupt a Negima mage's casting, I don't see any partnerless Ministra Magi being able to beat a HP wizard in a straight spellcasting challenge.

1) Note bolded parts.

2) Kick self.

3) ????

4) PROFIT.

 

[Moshulel]

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And since a simple tap with a finger is enough to disrupt a Negima mage's casting, I don't see any partnerless Ministra Magi being able to beat a HP wizard in a straight spellcasting challenge.


1) Note bolded parts.

2) Kick self.

3) ????

4) PROFIT.

Ah but you see Negima mages are not limited to just spell casting, so this doesn't actually decides the fight. And the issue here was Magic system not just a particular instance.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Ah but you see Negima mages are not limited to just spell casting, so this doesn't actually decides the fight. And the issue here was Magic system not just a particular instance.

Since when is non-magical stuff part of the magic SYSTEM?

I could just as easily have Harry whip out a gun and shoot a Negima mage dead before they can do much of anything. My issue is that the magical system, IE the SPELLS and how they are cast, are more powerful, but incredibly easy to interrupt.

Negima itself, and Akamatsu, bashes us over the head with this FACT with Evangeline's words: A MAGISTER MAGI IS INCREDIBLY VULNERABLE WHEN SPELLCASTING AND THAT'S WHY THEY NEED A PARTNER. Eva herself said it, it's stated in the damn manga... what more do you want, a diagram? That's why I specifically said PARTNERLESS MAGE and spellcasting fight.

Simply put, outside of Evangeline (who uses unconventional magic, Negi noticed that first thing when fighting her) and maybe the Thousand Master himself, no Negima mage can cast fast enough to avoit a quick Reducto not only disrupting their spell, but also crippling them. -_-

 

[Moshulel]

I could just as easily have Harry whip out a gun and shoot a Negima mage dead before they can do much of anything. My issue is that the magical system, IE the SPELLS and how they are cast, are more powerful, but incredibly easy to interrupt.

It seems we have an issue then with what we understand through magical system. For me it's ANY use of magical energy, especiually when it comes to Negima seeing as they relly heavily on other stuff than just spells.

And for the record a pactio is a spell too.