Canis said:
There are also facts that both of you overlooked:
Fact: Rukia only intended to give Ichigo half of her powers.
Fact: Ichigo ended up with all of her powers
Don't claim facts without checking first. Rukia didn't transfer all of her Shinigami power to Ichigo. She transferred almost all of it. Big difference. Though at least I can understand why you say that. The official translation fucked it up. The fantrans were more accurate.
And before someone starts whining about it again, basic logic should tell you which is true, independent of what I claim. If Rukia had been robbed of "all" her Shinigami power, then she couldn't have used Kido. Which she did. Since Kido is an art that requires a degree of Shinigami power to perform, Rukia must therefore have still possessed some of her Shinigami power.
Plausible, but not necessarily correct Conclusion: Ichigo possessing dormant powers sucked up Rukia's powers and used them as a kick-start for his own.
Except you've got nothing whatsoever to back that up. It's a totally random guess with no evidence to support it. At least Omega and Fenix have some evidence, even though I don't consider it good evidence (and they seem to hold vice-versa for me, which is the entire reason for this debate in the first place).
This, though, is just something totally random you pulled out your ass.
Truly, there are no definitive conclusions about this matter to be drawn from the facts we have available.
Yes, there can be, provided people who asspull stop muddying things up. We've finally got a thread where we can debate this out. Stop trying to cockblock the debate.
Basically what I'm saying is that arguing "My point is right, your's is wrong" is taking all the fun out of the debate.
Boo-fucking-hoo. It was never meant to be fun. It was meant to be a place where we could argue about the point without jacking other threads. If you want a Fun Debate Thread, then go make it yourself.
To me, debating points of an anime like this is fun because no one side is absolutely right,
Only if you ignore the concept of canon. Which you apparently have no problems doing.
Lord Raine's posts and the reactions (though in some cases entirely justified) have sucked the fun out of the thread.
Again, boo-fucking-hoo. This wasn't meant to be fun, and I don't appreciate you trying to hold everyone else in this thread, myself included, to a magical mystical standard of your personal expectations that only exists in your head, as opposed to being something the OP laid out. You're clearly in the wrong thread if you're whining about how it isn't "fun" anymore.
So please bring the civility back and remember that no matter what facts we have, nobody is absolutely right in their conclusions.
Again, the concept of canon clearly eludes you, doesn't it?
Secondly, by the sound of many of your recent posts, you have everything that you posted before saved,
No, that's not what they sound like. And no, I don't. If I did, I would just beat you over the head with them over and over every time this came up, instead of telling you that it's not my job to remind you of shit you keep forgetting. If you can't remember like how you claim, then you shouldn't argue in the first place.