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Contrabardus

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#76
Rising Dragon said:
Right now I have to reinstall Uplay every time I want to play Far Cry 3.  Something's wrong with it.
I believe you, but an online search on that makes it seem like that's a highly unusual problem and isn't normal. It runs fine for me and isn't any different than Steam.

Every form of DRM has given me hickups in the past, even Steam, and neither Origin nor Uplay has been any worse than Steam in that regard. There are horror stories for all of them and sometimes one or the other gives individuals a hard time, but overall they seem to be equally annoying for most people and pretty unobtrusive on the whole, at least as much as log in DRM clients can be.

When issues do crop up they are normally temporary and fixed by a patch or update, and prior to that have a workaround or fix that is easily done. Annoying, but everything still works most of the time.

I'd prefer to be able to play without any of them, but don't find any one more heinous or superior than the others as far as user experiences or ease of use goes. They're pretty much the exact same thing from different companies and for every horror story you hear about issues with one, the others have another from a different user who has similar problems.

Again, not saying it works perfectly for you, just that overall I don't see much evidence that it's functionally different than Steam or Origin and that other people have the same sorts of problems with those services too. For most they work as advertised without problems 99% of the time and work pretty much exactly the same way.

In my experience, the worst one that had the most troubles is extinct. GFWL used to give me fits with several games. Origin, Steam, and Uplay have for the most part run pretty smoothly without any major problems for years. Even when problems do crop up, fixes have been pretty easy. It doesn't seem like the big three annoying DRM clients are really that different from each other to the vast majority of users.

From what I gather it's just a matter of which one someone happens to be using when they encounter a problem that determines which one gets their personal hate. Understandable, but ultimately just luck of the draw and the nature of a constantly updated and online program. Sooner or later, something is going to get corrupted or an update is going to screw something up somewhere, and they are all prone to it pretty much equally as far as I know.
 

Altered Nova

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#77
Number of games on Steam: over 5,000.

Number of games on Uplay: around 70.

Steam is a general storefront. The one-stop shop for almost all your PC games. All DRM sucks, but Valve has accomplished something amazing by making theirs convenient. Plus, Steam's DRM is optional. There are hundreds of games on Steam that only use the client for installation and are otherwise completely DRM-free.

Uplay is a shitty attempt to copy Steam's success that has a long history of technical issues, including server crashes after Far Cry 3 was released that rendered the game unplayable for a lengthy period of time. It has pretty much always been buggier, less stable and had less features than Steam.

Worst of all, unlike E.A. with their Origin client, Ubisoft continues to sell their games on Steam but often unnecessarily requires uplay for them on top of the Steam client. They also have a habit of requiring always online internet connections, which combined with their frequent server issues can often make it difficult to even play their games. Even ignoring the quality of their client, those two facts alone have earned them a lot of hate from PC Gamers.
 

Contrabardus

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#78
Altered Nova said:
Number of games on Steam: over 5,000.

Number of games on Uplay: around 70.

Steam is a general storefront. The one-stop shop for almost all your PC games. All DRM sucks, but Valve has accomplished something amazing by making theirs convenient. Plus, Steam's DRM is optional. There are hundreds of games on Steam that only use the client for installation and are otherwise completely DRM-free.

Uplay is a shitty attempt to copy Steam's success that has a long history of technical issues, including server crashes after Far Cry 3 was released that rendered the game unplayable for a lengthy period of time. It has pretty much always been buggier, less stable and had less features than Steam.

Worst of all, unlike E.A. with their Origin client, Ubisoft continues to sell their games on Steam but often unnecessarily requires uplay for them on top of the Steam client. They also have a habit of requiring always online internet connections, which combined with their frequent server issues can often make it difficult to even play their games. Even ignoring the quality of their client, those two facts alone have earned them a lot of hate from PC Gamers.
Fair enough.

I still don't personally find it that offensive compared to other DRM clients. It's never given me any troubles outside of what is normal for any other annoying DRM client.

The games work with little to no tweaking on my part and the client, while I would prefer to not need it, doesn't get in the way of anything. Shit runs fine, I don't like needing it, but not to the point of not wanting to play games I like.

That said, I haven't bought most of the stuff that people have been complaining about as far as crappy game design, such as the recent Assassin's Creed games, and Farcry 3/4 has never had any difficulties running for me regarding the client. I don't play a lot of Ubisoft games to begin with, but the ones I do all work fine without being hindered by the client.

My experience has been largely okay considering, so I have nothing to complain about. I'm not about to say that people who have had bad experiences don't, but it does seem like it's not really common, at least no more common than people who have issues with Origin or Steam are. That's all I'm really saying here.

As for the store part, that's kind of a separate issue. I don't think the DRM should be tied to that portion of the business when judging how functional it is or is not. It's a separate thing, part of the same company yes, and having the client installed is required to use the service, but it's still a separate thing in this context and doesn't really excuse or justify it's existence. Steam's library size and store convenience aren't really positive qualities of their crappy DRM client even if they are kind of tied to it.

I don't personally like DRM to begin with, but as DRM goes I don't find Uplay to be any worse than anyone else's in regard to how well it functions or how invasive it is. I am aware that others have had different experiences with it and that people have problems with it all the time, but again, you could say the same of Steam or Origin. Experiences like mine seem to be the overall norm in regard to it from what I've seen about it in relation to any of the big three DRM clients.
 

chronodekar

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#79
Altered Nova said:
Number of games on Steam: over 5,000.

Number of games on Uplay: around 70.

Steam is a general storefront. The one-stop shop for almost all your PC games. All DRM sucks, but Valve has accomplished something amazing by making theirs convenient. Plus, Steam's DRM is optional. There are hundreds of games on Steam that only use the client for installation and are otherwise completely DRM-free.

Uplay is a shitty attempt to copy Steam's success that has a long history of technical issues, including server crashes after Far Cry 3 was released that rendered the game unplayable for a lengthy period of time. It has pretty much always been buggier, less stable and had less features than Steam.

Worst of all, unlike E.A. with their Origin client, Ubisoft continues to sell their games on Steam but often unnecessarily requires uplay for them on top of the Steam client. They also have a habit of requiring always online internet connections, which combined with their frequent server issues can often make it difficult to even play their games. Even ignoring the quality of their client, those two facts alone have earned them a lot of hate from PC Gamers.
You've nailed most of the reasons I don't like Uplay. There are some ubisoft games I want to play, some even available on steam, but they insist that I install the uplay packager too. That's not acceptable to me. I buy your game on steam, and the game's the only thing I want. Not another DRM tool. And steam is a lot more than a drm tool. I've got a bunch of friends and such on steam. uplay doesn't have that.

More importantly, I don't want to run all these drm tools on my system at the same time. I'm fine with steam. Heck, because a lot of my friends chat with me over that, I keep it running all the time. Even in-game, a quick pop-up message from them, and we're on another title. I'm not cool with running uplay alongside. Similar reasons for EA's origin. There are games they have that I want to play (Mass Effect 3, for example). But I'm not going to install origin for it.

-chronodekar
 

Contrabardus

Well-Known Member
#80
chronodekar said:
Altered Nova said:
Number of games on Steam: over 5,000.

Number of games on Uplay: around 70.

Steam is a general storefront. The one-stop shop for almost all your PC games. All DRM sucks, but Valve has accomplished something amazing by making theirs convenient. Plus, Steam's DRM is optional. There are hundreds of games on Steam that only use the client for installation and are otherwise completely DRM-free.

Uplay is a shitty attempt to copy Steam's success that has a long history of technical issues, including server crashes after Far Cry 3 was released that rendered the game unplayable for a lengthy period of time. It has pretty much always been buggier, less stable and had less features than Steam.

Worst of all, unlike E.A. with their Origin client, Ubisoft continues to sell their games on Steam but often unnecessarily requires uplay for them on top of the Steam client. They also have a habit of requiring always online internet connections, which combined with their frequent server issues can often make it difficult to even play their games. Even ignoring the quality of their client, those two facts alone have earned them a lot of hate from PC Gamers.
You've nailed most of the reasons I don't like Uplay. There are some ubisoft games I want to play, some even available on steam, but they insist that I install the uplay packager too. That's not acceptable to me. I buy your game on steam, and the game's the only thing I want. Not another DRM tool. And steam is a lot more than a drm tool. I've got a bunch of friends and such on steam. uplay doesn't have that.

More importantly, I don't want to run all these drm tools on my system at the same time. I'm fine with steam. Heck, because a lot of my friends chat with me over that, I keep it running all the time. Even in-game, a quick pop-up message from them, and we're on another title. I'm not cool with running uplay alongside. Similar reasons for EA's origin. There are games they have that I want to play (Mass Effect 3, for example). But I'm not going to install origin for it.

-chronodekar
I find it to be worth the annoyance to play some games.

Again, I'd prefer to not have to, but as opposed to not playing Mass Effect or Farcry, it's the lesser evil in my opinion.

Also, you don't need the Steam Client to launch UPlay games even if they are bought from Steam. The idea that you have to have multiple clients running at once is false. Just launch them using Uplay and don't launch them through the Steam Client. I haven't needed to run a game through multiple clients since GFWL died.

I don't chat over Steam Client anyway as I have several Voice Chat Clients for the rare occasions I do bother with Multiplayer. Any game that I'd be bothered with typing out messages in likely has a chat system built into it to begin with making Steam redundant. Even then I'll try to find a guild or other players with voice chat if possible.

I do understand that the multiplayer functions of the Steam Client are useful for some, but for single player it's kind of irrelevant. Chances are if I'm playing something like that I don't really want to be bothered by chat messages anyway.

I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here, just throwing out that I don't understand how installing a client is worse than not playing a game at all. Especially in regard to people who are willing to use Steam, which is basically the exact same thing with a slightly different GUI slapped on it and most of the exact same features and drawbacks.

Even if the clients are slightly worse than Steam in some ways, I don't see how they're worse than not playing. I haven't actually bought an EA game outside of a Humble Bundle deal in a long time [Dragon Age Inquisition was the last, and it had been quite a while since I had purchased anything from them prior to that], and I'm not an Ubisoft loyalist by any stretch. I bought maybe two or three games from them over the past year or two outside of a few Humble Bundle deals.

I don't like any clients. I just don't like not playing games because of them more. Especially considering the drawbacks are basically the same across the board as far as I can tell. If I'm going to put up with it from one company, I see no reason why it does me any good to not do the same for the rest, even if it is an annoyance to put up with them. It seems silly to me to give Valve a pass and then shun EA and Ubisoft for doing the exact same thing.
 

ragnarok1337

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#81
Unfortunately, Mass Effect 3 for PC only being sold through Origin means I'll have to make do with the first two games... or try and find a used copy for PS3. And create my character from scratch. A shame.
 

Contrabardus

Well-Known Member
#82
ragnarok1337 said:
Unfortunately, Mass Effect 3 for PC only being sold through Origin means I'll have to make do with the first two games... or try and find a used copy for PS3. And create my character from scratch. A shame.
You'll miss out on a lot if you do things that way. It assumes a bare playthrough with no romances, loyalty missions, and all renegade choices. You do start out neutral, so you can still build a paragon without too much effort if you want.

It does give you the option between many deaths [everyone who can die is dead] or just Kaiden/Ashley, lets you choose where you're from and a few other of the base options from ME 1, but that's it really. Everything else is bare minimum plot points with leanings towards renegade otherwise.

Would have been nice if they'd done something similar to DA:I and given you a way to generate a save file based on your other playthroughs through an app or menus, but that is unfortunately not the case.

You can play the game, but it's just not the same experience if you're not continuing your previous saves and efforts from the first two games.

Fortunately you can edit a save file to use that has everything customized to start you any way you want. There are save editor programs that let you do that online that will let you modify a PS3 or Xbox 360 save file and transfer it back and fourth with removable storage. It's not a huge pain to do and most of them have a pretty easy to understand GUI. This is probably the best option for duplicating a transfer save. [You can also cheat and make wealthy god characters this way if you so desire. Kind of takes the fun out of playing IMHO, but whatever floats your boat if that's of interest.]

I've done this myself to duplicate transfer saves from prior games on the Xbox 360 version of Mass Effect 2 because I had deleted my ME 1 save. I had been quite meticulous about exploring and scanning planets and had no desire to dump that much time into doing it again, so I rebuilt my old character in ME 1, started a new game, saved at the first spot, and then took that fresh save file out via a USB drive, and edited it so that the game was complete with all the options and choices mimicking my lost save. It only took maybe twenty minutes to do including creating the save, editing time, and transferring it back and fourth.

This is probably the best option for playing ME 3 on a console after playing the first two games on PC. The PC saves aren't compatible with the console versions as far as I know, but editing a ME 3 save file with all the correct starting info is pretty easily done. Google can provide full instructions for how to go about it and provide links to what you need for it.

Edit: Just to be clear, I did this with a ME 2 save. ME 1 saves are protected and can't be copied from console drives. Me 2 and 3 saves can both be removed and edited easily. However, kills and other tracked stats for trophies are in a separate protected file. You can recreate an old save or cheat save easily without that info though, so I highly recommend doing things this way rather than starting from the base settings of a new game for ME 3, that is unless you want a game where you were all renegade, everyone is dead, and the loyalty missions were not completed, which I kind of doubt. Just start a new game of ME 3, transfer the save to external storage, mod it on a PC to match your previous game choices and character, put it back in the PS3, and you're good to go.
 

Contrabardus

Well-Known Member
#83
Arkham Knight for PC has finally gotten a new interim patch. It's not the full set of fixes, but it does address most of the glaring major issues, including Ram usage, GPU optimization, frame rate, the lighting bug, the texture bug, HDD hitches, and numerous other problems.
It's looking good so far from what little I've played with the patch installed. There are still things that need to be fixed of course, but it's passable now considering the state it was in initially.
Also, Mods are starting to appear for it. This is an interesting one that promises to allow players to play the game as Superman. It will be interesting to see what modders do with the game considering they can pull this off already.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aacdoKud594[/video]
Never should have been released as is, but it's shaping up nicely and may yet be the better version of the game to have in the end. Not that it will matter a whole lot by the time it's actually released for sale again in a month or two. Most people will have moved on by then.
Still, if you've still got it, it's worth a look. I'd still hold out on actually trying to play through it until the full fix and relaunch, but it's interesting to see how things are progressing and do a little exploring.
 

seitora

Well-Known Member
#84
The current Humble Bundle is an insanely good one. Lost Planet 3, Strider, Bionic Commando, BTA for Resident Evil 4 and 5 and Remember Me and Revelations 1 and DMC, $15 gets you Ultra Street Fighter IV
 

ragnarok1337

Well-Known Member
#85
There's a big Steam sale until December 1st. It looks like they've gotten rid of the daily specials, but on the upside this means you won't have to check every 6-12 hours to see if a game that interests you gets an even bigger price cut.

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgv7U3GYlDY[/video]
 

ragnarok1337

Well-Known Member
#87
I refuse to play Arkham Knight until it and the DLC are at least 50% off. I don't care if I have to wait 5 years. Like fuck am I putting up with Warner's shit.
 

Contrabardus

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#88
ragnarok1337 said:
I refuse to play Arkham Knight until it and the DLC are at least 50% off. I don't care if I have to wait 5 years. Like fuck am I putting up with Warner's shit.
I took advantage of the unconditional refund and picked up a Just Cause 3 pre-order with the credit.

There was too much Bat-tank and not enough Batman. Plus, the rouges missions were largely too short and while it was satisfying to finally be able to punch the Riddler, about half his 'riddles' were glorified time trials for the tank.

It wasn't a bad idea to put the Batmobile into the game, when you were actually using it as a car it was a blast. Unfortunately, you'll spend the bulk of the game in tank mode, and that gets old fast.
 

da_fox2279

California Crackpot
#89
So, Steam has Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition on sale for $5 dollars. The reviews mention that the on-line multiplayer function seems to be broken, low-framerate on computers/laptops...

My question: for someone who doesn't bother with the online multiplayer, and is a fan of the Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat franchises, is this a worthy purchase?
 

Contrabardus

Well-Known Member
#90
da_fox2279 said:
So, Steam has Injustice: Gods Among Us Ultimate Edition on sale for $5 dollars. The reviews mention that the on-line multiplayer function seems to be broken, low-framerate on computers/laptops...

My question: for someone who doesn't bother with the online multiplayer, and is a fan of the Street Fighter/Mortal Kombat franchises, is this a worthy purchase?
Definitely. The story mode is worthy of $5 easily.

It's basically running on the MK9 engine and does a great job telling the story in the same style as the last two MK games. Very cinematic and not excessively cheap.

Unless you absolutely hated MK 9 and X due to issues with the gameplay engine itself, go for it. It's a worthy purchase at that price easily.

Incidentally, there's a comic series that deals with the time jump segment of the game that is really good. It's not essential for enjoying the game, but it's definitely worth a read. It's probably the biggest influence on the current Harley Quinn we have in current DC comics and what pushed her from straight up villain to anti-hero status. She's really well written both in the game and in the comic series and has some of the best moments in both.

Superman and Batman are the two [four?] main characters though. It is fairly dark as well, not as much as MK, but dark and gritty is the order of the day. Evil Superman is brutal and has his JL under his thumb just as much as the rest of the world.
 

seitora

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#91
Just a reminder that Steam Winter sale is on in an hour
 

Contrabardus

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#92
The Square Bundle is decent on Humble Bundle this month.

It includes Last Remnant, Front Mission Evolved, five Tomb Raider games [1-3, Temple of Osiris, and the reboot GOTY ED], Hitman Absolution, Life is Strange Ep 1 [and a discount on the rest with the highest tier], Final Fantasy XIV Realm Reborn, Murdered Soul Suspect, Just Cause 1 and 2, a discount coupon for JC 3, a couple of gem switch puzzle games, and some unannounced games.
 

Altered Nova

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#99
I'm hesitant because I don't have a Wii U, and I already bought Shantae (for $15 too!) I also already have Super Street Fighter IV: 3D Edition on cartridge. The only thing I'm interested in Rhythm Thief & the Emperor's Treasure; apparently, it had a really small print run so the cartridge is very rare and expensive.
 

Antimatter

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Sony's got a Golden Week sale going in the US, and Alien Isolation is on sale for Alien day today.
 
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