Harry Potter Earl of the North
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From what we understand, Polarix existed a long time before King Arthur. However, that doesn't mean that Polarix 'started' with the power Arthur gave them. They were probably around, ruling the areas of the North anyway through virtue of being powerful. Then Morgana LeFey (or whatever) came and threatened to destroy things, and the Polarixes stood with Merlin and the Knights of the Round to defend the land, and then unite England together.
A lot of Polarixes probably died doing this, but in honor of that sacrifice, Arthur granted them real authority based off of his own, in place of the authority they held before by virtue of being the strongest wizards around. Where before people acknowledged Polarix because they were the most powerful clan of wizards around, and had been there for hundreds of years, no people acknowledged Polarix for all that, plus the fact that they were now actual knights and lords.
Polarix, of course, never 'really' recovered from the blow that had been dealt them, and slowly faded away as the world changed. Hence why the throne is empty.
Polarixes one last gasp was in the effort to unite England, which is fitting, seeing how the first thing the new heir is going to do is try to destroy magical government in the UK.
A lot of Polarixes probably died doing this, but in honor of that sacrifice, Arthur granted them real authority based off of his own, in place of the authority they held before by virtue of being the strongest wizards around. Where before people acknowledged Polarix because they were the most powerful clan of wizards around, and had been there for hundreds of years, no people acknowledged Polarix for all that, plus the fact that they were now actual knights and lords.
Polarix, of course, never 'really' recovered from the blow that had been dealt them, and slowly faded away as the world changed. Hence why the throne is empty.
Polarixes one last gasp was in the effort to unite England, which is fitting, seeing how the first thing the new heir is going to do is try to destroy magical government in the UK.
Well, I'm not the biggest fan of EotN in the first place, nor a good author (I'm not even one in fact), but if I had to give you 3 recommendations it would be that:
1- Animagus Harry, make the whole thing start in third year. If Lupin is still the DaDA prof, make him talk with Harry about his parents or something, maybe because without Sirius Black on the loose he might be a little less afraid of speaking to him. I would make him interrested in third year, nearly forget about it in fourth and retake during the fifth. Basically it would give him a grounding in the skill, wich Sirius would then use to teach him completely.
2- Azkaban: If you go by the ministry, just make Remus die, it's basically the only link of Harry to his parents and, if you are so inclined, it could open the door for Harry/Tonks or some good old drama. And you won't have to think too much for the whole deal.
3- Don't get too flowery, experimental or whatnot. You don't write a OS or a pseudo-experimental piece of angst. If you wan't to write something awesome it's best to generally keep simple in the writing style from what I understand and witnessed. I say that because I see too much fics with awesome potential ruined because the author care more for his writing than for his story, or because it's just too boring/convulted.
It's how I would do, so it's a personnal feel. If it helps you (one way or another) then good, if not I will still try it, it should be cool
1- Animagus Harry, make the whole thing start in third year. If Lupin is still the DaDA prof, make him talk with Harry about his parents or something, maybe because without Sirius Black on the loose he might be a little less afraid of speaking to him. I would make him interrested in third year, nearly forget about it in fourth and retake during the fifth. Basically it would give him a grounding in the skill, wich Sirius would then use to teach him completely.
2- Azkaban: If you go by the ministry, just make Remus die, it's basically the only link of Harry to his parents and, if you are so inclined, it could open the door for Harry/Tonks or some good old drama. And you won't have to think too much for the whole deal.
3- Don't get too flowery, experimental or whatnot. You don't write a OS or a pseudo-experimental piece of angst. If you wan't to write something awesome it's best to generally keep simple in the writing style from what I understand and witnessed. I say that because I see too much fics with awesome potential ruined because the author care more for his writing than for his story, or because it's just too boring/convulted.
It's how I would do, so it's a personnal feel. If it helps you (one way or another) then good, if not I will still try it, it should be cool
That's too much. Far, far too much. This is the foulest prison in the world, not a classroom.
Sirius has all the time in the world to teach Harry whatever he needs to later. Right now, they need to concentrate on the one thing that will actually help them and get them out of prison. The animagus transformation. Nothing else matters. Besides, I doubt they could learn more than that while still keeping it hidden from the guards.
Sirius has all the time in the world to teach Harry whatever he needs to later. Right now, they need to concentrate on the one thing that will actually help them and get them out of prison. The animagus transformation. Nothing else matters. Besides, I doubt they could learn more than that while still keeping it hidden from the guards.
What guards ? Sirius spent years as dog, literally probably if you add it up, and the guards didn't notice.
The Dementors can't see an animagus and don't care that an cell is empty.*
The human guards are shining examples of wizarding society or alternativly the guys to annoying and/or incompetent for even the Ministry to stomach and thus banned to magical Britains equivalent of Thule Air Force Base (US base in the middle of "OMG my ass is freezing").
*Does this strike anybody else as odd ? No notifcation, no nothing "Hey I, Dementor Bob, think that cell 5565 is empty, check please ?"
The Dementors can't see an animagus and don't care that an cell is empty.*
The human guards are shining examples of wizarding society or alternativly the guys to annoying and/or incompetent for even the Ministry to stomach and thus banned to magical Britains equivalent of Thule Air Force Base (US base in the middle of "OMG my ass is freezing").
*Does this strike anybody else as odd ? No notifcation, no nothing "Hey I, Dementor Bob, think that cell 5565 is empty, check please ?"
The prison isn't run by Dementors. That's fanon. There are wizards there as well. And even if the fanon was true, you're ignoring the fact that the Dementors are gone by this point. They deserted and joined Voldemort.
Yes. I find it very odd that you've managed to completely forget everything Sirius said about how he stayed sane in Azkaban.
Animagi aren't invisible to Dementors. Dementors can sense them perfectly fine. An animagi feels like an animal, to them. They have a noticably lessened mental presence (which directly implies that Dementors hunt by feeling the thoughts of living things around them) compared to a human. However, the Dementors at Azkaban didn't find that unusual, because people who are driven bugfuck insane by their auras also have that lessened presence.
Animagi aren't invisible. Nobody ever said that, or even implied that. It's that the Dementors can't tell the difference between a wizard transforming back and forth into an animal and a wizard who is dipping into and out of insanity. To them, 'insane human' feels identical to 'animal.'
Yes. I find it very odd that you've managed to completely forget everything Sirius said about how he stayed sane in Azkaban.
Animagi aren't invisible to Dementors. Dementors can sense them perfectly fine. An animagi feels like an animal, to them. They have a noticably lessened mental presence (which directly implies that Dementors hunt by feeling the thoughts of living things around them) compared to a human. However, the Dementors at Azkaban didn't find that unusual, because people who are driven bugfuck insane by their auras also have that lessened presence.
Animagi aren't invisible. Nobody ever said that, or even implied that. It's that the Dementors can't tell the difference between a wizard transforming back and forth into an animal and a wizard who is dipping into and out of insanity. To them, 'insane human' feels identical to 'animal.'
And if you had read my whole post you'd have seen that I acknowledged that there were wizards there as well. I did call in question their competence and motivation, since Azkaban seems to be the sort of posting where you shovel you undesirables to (The ones you can't just fire).
And you said it yourself: An animagus in his/her animal form feels like an animal to an dementor. Not like an prisoner. Or perhaps "Prisoner which is a snack"
In either case if Dementor Bob is patrolling along corridor X and passes Cell 556 - prisoner, cell 557 - prisoner, cell 558 - animal (dog), cell 559 - prisoner and so on. Why exactly does Bob not go "Huh ? Shouldn't there be a "Snack-in-waiting" in cell 558 (Or maybe "Shouldn't I feel chocolate between limette and mango ?", who knows hoe Dementors classify their senory input) ?"
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Comedy option: Name the dementors "Schultz", the chief warden "Klink".
And you said it yourself: An animagus in his/her animal form feels like an animal to an dementor. Not like an prisoner. Or perhaps "Prisoner which is a snack"
In either case if Dementor Bob is patrolling along corridor X and passes Cell 556 - prisoner, cell 557 - prisoner, cell 558 - animal (dog), cell 559 - prisoner and so on. Why exactly does Bob not go "Huh ? Shouldn't there be a "Snack-in-waiting" in cell 558 (Or maybe "Shouldn't I feel chocolate between limette and mango ?", who knows hoe Dementors classify their senory input) ?"
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Comedy option: Name the dementors "Schultz", the chief warden "Klink".
Nobody actually goes around and proposes something like that. It seems very contrived.
That being said, I can very much see Lupin joining Harry and Sirius on the island. Lupin certainly has more reason to go there than stay where he is.
Snape, though, has no business throwing his lot in with Harry. Or being nice. It's very OoC for him. Severitus only works if you bother to put in the progression and development that explains the how and the why of Snape changing his mind about Harry. Here, he's just "yeah, I'm with Harry now." And that just doesn't make sense.
That being said, I can very much see Lupin joining Harry and Sirius on the island. Lupin certainly has more reason to go there than stay where he is.
Snape, though, has no business throwing his lot in with Harry. Or being nice. It's very OoC for him. Severitus only works if you bother to put in the progression and development that explains the how and the why of Snape changing his mind about Harry. Here, he's just "yeah, I'm with Harry now." And that just doesn't make sense.
Did you not pay attention when he referenced Sirius' talking about his time in Azkaban? It's explicitly stated that the dementors can't tell the difference between the less complex thought patterns of an animal and those of someone who's gone insane.
There's absolutely no reason for the dementors to question why the thought patterns of the prisoner inside a given cell become simpler, because it's normal for people to go insane in Azkaban.
There's absolutely no reason for the dementors to question why the thought patterns of the prisoner inside a given cell become simpler, because it's normal for people to go insane in Azkaban.
Here's the paragraph in question.
I've bolded the most relevant part.
Another interesting thing to note from this passage is that it suggests that long-term exposure normally saps the ability to do magic. Not permanently, given that the later DE escapees could use it, but enough that Sirius thinks that if he hadn't had his innocence to focus on he wouldn't have had enough power left to be able to transform.
I've bolded the most relevant part.
Another interesting thing to note from this passage is that it suggests that long-term exposure normally saps the ability to do magic. Not permanently, given that the later DE escapees could use it, but enough that Sirius thinks that if he hadn't had his innocence to focus on he wouldn't have had enough power left to be able to transform.
I read them. In german. And as it turns out german translators struck again*.
The book was definitely not translated to convey the meaning that KjusJi just quoted.
I was wrong.
*How do you translate carrier (Spacefighter/Monitor) into german ? Why, freighter ("Transporter" when it should have been "Trõger"), of course. Then have the main character bitch about being ferried around in an Assault Transport ("Sturmschiff", an planetary assault ship for marines) while his siblings get to run around in a Freighter.
German translators suck**, but I thought the incompetent ones were only allowed to mangle sci-fi books.
**"We are important, our names should be just as big on the cover as the author, no even bigger"
The book was definitely not translated to convey the meaning that KjusJi just quoted.
I was wrong.
*How do you translate carrier (Spacefighter/Monitor) into german ? Why, freighter ("Transporter" when it should have been "Trõger"), of course. Then have the main character bitch about being ferried around in an Assault Transport ("Sturmschiff", an planetary assault ship for marines) while his siblings get to run around in a Freighter.
German translators suck**, but I thought the incompetent ones were only allowed to mangle sci-fi books.
**"We are important, our names should be just as big on the cover as the author, no even bigger"
This is another thing that I don't see happening, realistically. There's no way they could put The Boy Who Lived away for life in Azkaban for the mass murder of muggles, and keep it a secret.
This would be big. Bigger than big. There's no way they could keep this quiet. This would be as big as Voldemort getting defeated by Harry as an infant. Everybody would hear about it. Wizards in the UK would know about it overnight. It would get talked about internationally.
It would be interesting to see what reactions might be in other places where Harry is known. I'd be willing to bet money that Krum and Fleur would defend him. Fudge's insistence on railroading Harry may have implications on an international level. Krum is a superstar. Fleur is a genius, canonically considered one of the best students in Beaubaxtons, and generally portrayed in fanon as being related to people who are politically important in France. Both of them could easily sway a lot of people who don't live in Britain just by speaking out and saying they don't believe it.
This would be big. Bigger than big. There's no way they could keep this quiet. This would be as big as Voldemort getting defeated by Harry as an infant. Everybody would hear about it. Wizards in the UK would know about it overnight. It would get talked about internationally.
It would be interesting to see what reactions might be in other places where Harry is known. I'd be willing to bet money that Krum and Fleur would defend him. Fudge's insistence on railroading Harry may have implications on an international level. Krum is a superstar. Fleur is a genius, canonically considered one of the best students in Beaubaxtons, and generally portrayed in fanon as being related to people who are politically important in France. Both of them could easily sway a lot of people who don't live in Britain just by speaking out and saying they don't believe it.
I thought I replied to this, but I don't see my post. I'll try a shorter version, rather than trying to remember and retype the whole thing.
The problem I have is that Harry's life going so much the way it did in canon, but with Sirius still being in Azkaban, seems more contrived to me than some new character being created to serve as Basil Exposition. Likewise, the random new character needn't even be good, he/she just needs to be on Harry's side.
It doesn't look like thats the way this fic is going to go, though. Oh well.
How mature.
The problem I have is that Harry's life going so much the way it did in canon, but with Sirius still being in Azkaban, seems more contrived to me than some new character being created to serve as Basil Exposition. Likewise, the random new character needn't even be good, he/she just needs to be on Harry's side.
It doesn't look like thats the way this fic is going to go, though. Oh well.
How mature.