Nasuverse Fate/Stay Updates
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I don't know why, but for some reason, maybe, just maybe, Caster was trying to pull a Palpatine here. Though its par the course, given her history, but when I read the bold texts, I just suddenly read it as, "Something something Darkside something."And with her hood, she so could totally pull it off.
And LOLIs FTW!
And LOLIs FTW!
Take a nice long breath and calm down, will you ?
Now, take a nice, long look at Wizard's post again. Did he, at any point, wrote your name in his post or addressed you directly ?
Not that I can see myself.
So, please, stop taking it personally. Wizard was merely stating his opinion on the issue in general, not attacking you in particular. He could just as well been addressing Avider or Cherry Lover after all.
Now, take a nice, long look at Wizard's post again. Did he, at any point, wrote your name in his post or addressed you directly ?
Not that I can see myself.
So, please, stop taking it personally. Wizard was merely stating his opinion on the issue in general, not attacking you in particular. He could just as well been addressing Avider or Cherry Lover after all.
I don't see the loli angle that you all are getting.
Sure, it seems to be following an "Illya route" but that doesn't seem to be a good thing or something to cheer about. AFAIK unless stuff really, really changes even more than it has already, it is destined to be a BAD end. Even with changes... I get the feeling it will STILL be a BAD end.
Ilya is still a homunculus as well as vessel to the grail. Not much they can be done about that unless Mozco makes even larger divergences. I mean sure he might be going somewhere with the Sakura thing... but that is kind of iffy.
Sure, it seems to be following an "Illya route" but that doesn't seem to be a good thing or something to cheer about. AFAIK unless stuff really, really changes even more than it has already, it is destined to be a BAD end. Even with changes... I get the feeling it will STILL be a BAD end.
Ilya is still a homunculus as well as vessel to the grail. Not much they can be done about that unless Mozco makes even larger divergences. I mean sure he might be going somewhere with the Sakura thing... but that is kind of iffy.
Perhaps it does, not mentioning any names means that no one has to take offense or feel that they are the target of any accusations, its a polite facade designed to prevent people from responding the way Shiakou did.
As he says, he had little to do with that post of mine beyond how I was adressing the general issue. And no, my posts do not have to include every member of a group of people.
As he says, he had little to do with that post of mine beyond how I was adressing the general issue. And no, my posts do not have to include every member of a group of people.
She's listed alongside Shirou. That either means the pairing is Shirou/Illya, or she's the focus of the fic (or both).
I would call that an Illya route in both cases.
Well, I wouldn't actually call it a route at all, since it's a fanfic, but if it has to be classed as someone's route, it's definitely Illya's.
I would call that an Illya route in both cases.
Well, I wouldn't actually call it a route at all, since it's a fanfic, but if it has to be classed as someone's route, it's definitely Illya's.
What the fuck.
I haven't read another one of his fic, I have no interest in reading another one of his fic, and I've made an effort to not even talk about it beyond stating my lack of interest, though I certainly can say a hell lot more. I think it's pretty well established what the standards for certain people are and how it's different from mine, so to say I doubt me saying anything more will change anybody's mind.
So what the fuck.
(In essence, if you're gonna use someone as an example, make sure it fits.)
Now aside from mentioning the story itself, I can address the soundness and validity of the argument, case in point Wizard's argument is a strawman. If it looks like it doesn't apply to anyone, that's because it doesn't.
And it certainly doesn't boil down to:
"'Since this character is not a perfect representation of the canon character, I cannot enjoy this fanfic.'"
I haven't read another one of his fic, I have no interest in reading another one of his fic, and I've made an effort to not even talk about it beyond stating my lack of interest, though I certainly can say a hell lot more. I think it's pretty well established what the standards for certain people are and how it's different from mine, so to say I doubt me saying anything more will change anybody's mind.
So what the fuck.
(In essence, if you're gonna use someone as an example, make sure it fits.)
Now aside from mentioning the story itself, I can address the soundness and validity of the argument, case in point Wizard's argument is a strawman. If it looks like it doesn't apply to anyone, that's because it doesn't.
And it certainly doesn't boil down to:
"'Since this character is not a perfect representation of the canon character, I cannot enjoy this fanfic.'"
If it doesnt apply to you, don't respond.
Problem solved. It doesnt require your input if it has nothing to do with you.
At no point did I claim that your argument was anything in particular, nor did I mention you. I explained why I personally can enjoy the fic without being offensive to anyone, and asked that the people who hated the fic cease to hate on each new update thats posted, as has happened a few tims, since its not constructive and the fic belongs here due to having a fanbase here.
The fact that I can make such a nonconfrontational post and still have random hate posted says a lot. Stop looking for things to be offended by.
Edit: Frankly, I'd prefer if people wouldn't provoke the people who prefer to not read the fic either, as also happened recently.
There was an interesting and useful discussion occurring until someone started the hate/love thing up again.
Problem solved. It doesnt require your input if it has nothing to do with you.
At no point did I claim that your argument was anything in particular, nor did I mention you. I explained why I personally can enjoy the fic without being offensive to anyone, and asked that the people who hated the fic cease to hate on each new update thats posted, as has happened a few tims, since its not constructive and the fic belongs here due to having a fanbase here.
The fact that I can make such a nonconfrontational post and still have random hate posted says a lot. Stop looking for things to be offended by.
Edit: Frankly, I'd prefer if people wouldn't provoke the people who prefer to not read the fic either, as also happened recently.
There was an interesting and useful discussion occurring until someone started the hate/love thing up again.
I'm not talking about you, but your irrelevant argument that has nothing to do with anybody here, passive aggressive bullshit like: "Now, the reason I enjoy this fic is because I'm not a cannibal." Certainly, you didn't call anyone a cannibal, but the suggestion is clear. Or more directly, "Now, the reason I enjoy this fic is because I'm not a curmudgeon and the OOC stuff makes sense to me and I won't say 'Since this character is not a perfect representation of the canon character, I cannot enjoy this fanfic'. Unlike some people, is the suggestion.
Except, of course, there's no one like that here. So if you're not meaning to suggest that of someone, then cut the bullshit. You think his writing is amazing? That's valid. You think he's excellent at combining universes? That's valid.
Calling yourself not a curmudgeon and citing a reason for why you can enjoy the fic is because you don't care for perfect representation of the canon character? That's just bullshit, not because it's not true, but because who the fuck called you a curmudgeon or claimed that if a character is not a perfect representation of the canon character, they can't enjoy the fic? Or hell, even if those two are related.
And, I was responding to the guy who called me out erroneously.
Except, of course, there's no one like that here. So if you're not meaning to suggest that of someone, then cut the bullshit. You think his writing is amazing? That's valid. You think he's excellent at combining universes? That's valid.
Calling yourself not a curmudgeon and citing a reason for why you can enjoy the fic is because you don't care for perfect representation of the canon character? That's just bullshit, not because it's not true, but because who the fuck called you a curmudgeon or claimed that if a character is not a perfect representation of the canon character, they can't enjoy the fic? Or hell, even if those two are related.
And, I was responding to the guy who called me out erroneously.
Avider said:
I'm not talking about you, but your irrelevant argument that has nothing to do with anybody here, passive aggressive bullshit like: "Now, the reason I enjoy this fic is because I'm not a cannibal." Certainly, you didn't call anyone a cannibal, but the suggestion is clear. Or more directly, "Now, the reason I enjoy this fic is because I'm not a curmudgeon and the OOC stuff makes sense to me and I won't say 'Since this character is not a perfect representation of the canon character, I cannot enjoy this fanfic'. Unlike some people, is the suggestion.
Except, of course, there's no one like that here. So if you're not meaning to suggest that of someone, then cut the bullshit. You think his writing is amazing? That's valid. You think he's excellent at combining universes? That's valid.
Calling yourself not a curmudgeon and citing a reason for why you can enjoy the fic is because you don't care for perfect representation of the canon character? That's just bullshit, not because it's not true, but because who the fuck called you a curmudgeon or claimed that if a character is not a perfect representation of the canon character, they can't enjoy the fic? Or hell, even if those two are related.
And, I was responding to the guy who called me out erroneously.
Except, of course, there's no one like that here. So if you're not meaning to suggest that of someone, then cut the bullshit. You think his writing is amazing? That's valid. You think he's excellent at combining universes? That's valid.
Calling yourself not a curmudgeon and citing a reason for why you can enjoy the fic is because you don't care for perfect representation of the canon character? That's just bullshit, not because it's not true, but because who the fuck called you a curmudgeon or claimed that if a character is not a perfect representation of the canon character, they can't enjoy the fic? Or hell, even if those two are related.
And, I was responding to the guy who called me out erroneously.
Your rage is totally out of order and random.
Frankly, I'd entirely forgotten about you until you popped up again to be an angry man.
And yes, the major reason for people disliking this fic so far seems to be that the shirou isnt a perfect representation of the Canon shirou. Nothing I said is untrue, some people think he's further from canon than others, but most seem to dislike him for this reason.
(They seem to think that he's a Sue of some kind, or just a Jerkass)
As I said they are entitled to their opinions and nowhere did I say anyone was wrong for having such an opinion in my post. My post was myself admitting that He wasnt a perfect representation of Canon shirou, and that I could use that as a Reason to not read the fic, while I was writing a semi-review of GB's writing.
The ONLY negative thing I said was that I hate it when people who dislike the fic share their dislike every time an update is posted, and reading back, at least half the time a GB fic has been updated and posted in this thread, someone goes 'Oh not this fic again' or 'God stop posting that' or something along a similar vein.
Rage more, be as unconstructive and unco-operative as you like, search my text as deeply as you like for insults, the people who are actually looking for constructive posts can read my posts for what they are in the meantime.
Have fun.
Pro-tip for Wizard: You really want your post to be confrontational, don't imply that those who disagree with you are Nazis. That's a red flag if I ever saw one.
That aside, I've seldom seen a purely destructive criticism of Hill of Swords. Here are the more common ones:
1. Shirou's characterization is not canon. (Valid literary criticism)
2. Shirou's characterization is antagonistic to the reader. (Valid personal preference)
3. Shirou's characterization crosses the Moral Event Horizon as a protagonist. (Valid personal preference)
4. The plot is linear and predictable despite the change of protagonists. (Valid literary criticism)
5. The protagonist is granted Deus Ex Machina as the author sees fit. (Valid literary criticism)
And that's just the beginning.
Now I don't know about you, but these aren't destructive criticisms. They're pretty much what you can expect from any literature club, your Lit 101 teacher, or a professional editor. There is, of course, a difference between a "negative criticism" and a "destructive criticism". Most negative criticisms aren't destructive.
That aside, I've seldom seen a purely destructive criticism of Hill of Swords. Here are the more common ones:
1. Shirou's characterization is not canon. (Valid literary criticism)
2. Shirou's characterization is antagonistic to the reader. (Valid personal preference)
3. Shirou's characterization crosses the Moral Event Horizon as a protagonist. (Valid personal preference)
4. The plot is linear and predictable despite the change of protagonists. (Valid literary criticism)
5. The protagonist is granted Deus Ex Machina as the author sees fit. (Valid literary criticism)
And that's just the beginning.
Now I don't know about you, but these aren't destructive criticisms. They're pretty much what you can expect from any literature club, your Lit 101 teacher, or a professional editor. There is, of course, a difference between a "negative criticism" and a "destructive criticism". Most negative criticisms aren't destructive.
I agree with 1/2/3,
I disagree with four partially, in HOS, the overall plot was reasonabl predictable true, but still enjoyable, but individual interactions and such were less predictable.
Also, I have no fucking clue where he's going with his new fic but its awesome, so at least that part of HOS has been fixed imo.
Five... I dunno. Personally I saw very little that I couldn't see archer being capable of. Admittedly the biggest of these was his battle with the Jormundgand which had him use more NP's of high enough class than he should have been even nearly capable of.
However, I was able to justify that to myself as a case of 'LOLGANDALFR'
Not saying its a particularly good justification, but it worked for me personally.
Also, I never said those who disagree with me are Nazi's, to be exact, I said that you could be a Nazi and hate the fic as much as you like, so long as you didn't post about your hate evry time a new update was posted ( And personally, I see spewing hate everywhere as a Nazi type thing to do) . Admittedly that was a little rude, but I don't think that saying you dislike a fic once or twice, then just not paying attention to continued updates of said fic is an unreasonable thing to do. To reformat my initial statement somewhat 'Hate the fic as much as you like, but please don't post about your hate every time someone posts a new update in the update thread, or if you must, make a Fanfiction discussion thread, so I don't have to read about said hate every time I check for updates.' Is that better ^^?
Its not like I'm blind to the Problems HOS had, I just don't think of them as problems.
Honestly, I personally read fanfiction for a different experience with either a setting, character, or plot that i know. HOS provided me that, and at the same time was extremely well written, and rather well thought out considering the Author had literally only Watched the Anime and played a little of one route.
What bothers me about OOC, is OOC without reason. If My character has exactly the same experiences as Canon character A, but turns out to be a Machiavellian mastermind in fanfic B, I will go 'What the fuck' and be unable to enjoy the fanfiction.
However if an Unnamed amount of time has passed since happy fool A turned into Villian B, I can fill in the character changes myself and continue to enjoy the fiction.
Or even better, if actual on screen reasons for changes are given.
I disagree with four partially, in HOS, the overall plot was reasonabl predictable true, but still enjoyable, but individual interactions and such were less predictable.
Also, I have no fucking clue where he's going with his new fic but its awesome, so at least that part of HOS has been fixed imo.
Five... I dunno. Personally I saw very little that I couldn't see archer being capable of. Admittedly the biggest of these was his battle with the Jormundgand which had him use more NP's of high enough class than he should have been even nearly capable of.
However, I was able to justify that to myself as a case of 'LOLGANDALFR'
Not saying its a particularly good justification, but it worked for me personally.
Also, I never said those who disagree with me are Nazi's, to be exact, I said that you could be a Nazi and hate the fic as much as you like, so long as you didn't post about your hate evry time a new update was posted ( And personally, I see spewing hate everywhere as a Nazi type thing to do) . Admittedly that was a little rude, but I don't think that saying you dislike a fic once or twice, then just not paying attention to continued updates of said fic is an unreasonable thing to do. To reformat my initial statement somewhat 'Hate the fic as much as you like, but please don't post about your hate every time someone posts a new update in the update thread, or if you must, make a Fanfiction discussion thread, so I don't have to read about said hate every time I check for updates.' Is that better ^^?
Its not like I'm blind to the Problems HOS had, I just don't think of them as problems.
Honestly, I personally read fanfiction for a different experience with either a setting, character, or plot that i know. HOS provided me that, and at the same time was extremely well written, and rather well thought out considering the Author had literally only Watched the Anime and played a little of one route.
What bothers me about OOC, is OOC without reason. If My character has exactly the same experiences as Canon character A, but turns out to be a Machiavellian mastermind in fanfic B, I will go 'What the fuck' and be unable to enjoy the fanfiction.
However if an Unnamed amount of time has passed since happy fool A turned into Villian B, I can fill in the character changes myself and continue to enjoy the fiction.
Or even better, if actual on screen reasons for changes are given.
My only problem thus far with In Flight is that it's only four chapters. I'm so desperate for a decent Sekirei fic, I voluntarily sat and read fics written by lord of the land of fire. GB on his worst day isn't as bad as that dood.
Plus, the eventual battle with Karasuba will be worth it. I shall play Emiya at loud volumes and emit inappropriate grunting noises. Possibly while speaking an Engrish incantation.
Plus, the eventual battle with Karasuba will be worth it. I shall play Emiya at loud volumes and emit inappropriate grunting noises. Possibly while speaking an Engrish incantation.