Nasuverse Fate/time loop

[Prince Charon]

Well, that sucked, thought Shirou, as he awakened. Being beheaded by your own Servant, the woman you loved, was really not the best way to end a loop.

Even before he opened his eyes, though, he knew that something was different. Usually, if he started a loop in bed, he woke up alone, and in his pyjamas. Instead, he was naked, and there were two equally naked women in bed with him. He opened his eyes.

This ceiling in unfamiliar, he thought. Further, there was no hint of modern technology in the room. It looked like a Daimyo's bedchamber out of a samurai movie. His bedmates, on the other hand, were quite familiar to him: Rin and Sakura. It took him a few seconds to register, but Sakura didn't quite look as she had for all the time he'd known her - her hair was black, like Rin's, and when she opened her eyes, they were green. Her smile was the same as always, though.

"Good morning, Honoured Master," she said, and her accent was oddly archaic.

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EDIT: To clarify, he might or might not be a daimyo in this loop, but is probably a rich guy, and seems to be in a much earlier era. Also, for those who don't know, Sakura's hair and eyes were the same colour as Rin's, before she was sold to Matou.

 

[lask]

Spiral of Fate, a FSN story by Kieran. Recently started, only has two chapters... and apparently Kieran is taking a forced break from fanfiction. (Due to, I think, health concerns?)

It starts off with a Shirou going through his 26th loop of the Fifth Holy Grail War.

Has been updated to chapter three.

 

[Prince Charon]

Spiral of Fate, a FSN story by Kieran. Recently started, only has two chapters... and apparently Kieran is taking a forced break from fanfiction. (Due to, I think, health concerns?)

It starts off with a Shirou going through his 26th loop of the Fifth Holy Grail War.

Has been updated to chapter three.

Well, at least Shirou's improving.

Very glad Kieran is writing this, again.

 

[firestorm]

Well, that sucked, thought Shirou, as he awakened. Being beheaded by your own Servant, the woman you loved, was really not the best way to end a loop.

Even before he opened his eyes, though, he knew that something was different. Usually, if he started a loop in bed, he woke up alone, and in his pyjamas. Instead, he was naked, and there were two equally naked women in bed with him. He opened his eyes.

This ceiling in unfamiliar, he thought. Further, there was no hint of modern technology in the room. It looked like a Daimyo's bedchamber out of a samurai movie. His bedmates, on the other hand, were quite familiar to him: Rin and Sakura. It took him a few seconds to register, but Sakura didn't quite look as she had for all the time he'd known her - her hair was black, like Rin's, and when she opened her eyes, they were green. Her smile was the same as always, though.

"Good morning, Honoured Master," she said, and her accent was oddly archaic.

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EDIT: To clarify, he might or might not be a daimyo in this loop, but is probably a rich guy, and seems to be in a much earlier era. Also, for those who don't know, Sakura's hair and eyes were the same colour as Rin's, before she was sold to Matou.

Interesting. Now, how would Saber come into this...

 

[biigoh]

Saber is the conquering Queen out to take over the world. Hail Britannia!

 

[Kibbles]

Interesting. Now, how would Saber come into this...

An inverse Genghis Khan? European Knights trampling across China, led by the great conqueror, King Arthur (who wanted japanese cuisine and/or heard Shirou was around)?

More realistically, a Servant during the first Grail War?

Either way would require a bit of fudging with the time-line. The daimyo really only emerged in the 15th century AD, but their precursors existed in the 12th century, so the first scenario might work. The first Grail War would occur around the beginning of the 19th century (if we assume that the fifth occured in 2000, the first one was in 1810), during the Tokugawa Shogunate and technically Daimyo still existed at that time allowing for the second scenario.

 

[Prince Charon]

Interesting. Now, how would Saber come into this...

An inverse Genghis Khan? European Knights trampling across China, led by the great conqueror, King Arthur (who wanted japanese cuisine and/or heard Shirou was around)?

More realistically, a Servant during the first Grail War?

Either way would require a bit of fudging with the time-line. The daimyo really only emerged in the 15th century AD, but their precursors existed in the 12th century, so the first scenario might work. The first Grail War would occur around the beginning of the 19th century (if we assume that the fifth occured in 2000, the first one was in 1810), during the Tokugawa Shogunate and technically Daimyo still existed at that time allowing for the second scenario.

To be fair, when he said it looked like a daimyo's quarters, he just meant that it look old-fashioned, and rich. He could easily be a noble of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kofun_period' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Kofun</a> or <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asuka_period' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Asuka</a> periods, which is the time the historical Arthur may have existed.

One thought I had was that Arturia was also out of place, and was the daughter of an important British lord or merchant, come to meet an important Japanese lord during the <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sengoku_period' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Sengoku period</a>, when the daimyo were first rising to power. Ilya, if she appears, would likely be more-or-less the same, if she wasn't his sister.

Clearly, Shirou is a powerful lord, whatever era he's in, for the Tohsaka clan to give him both of their daughters.

EDIT: Imagine, if you will, that Sakura and/or Rin remember this loop, in later ones. Would be interesting to see how they respond, no?

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Shirou knew this loop was going to be different, when Sakura brought the box to him: within lay Matou Shinji's head, his body nowhere to be seen.

"He tried to take what was yours, Honoured Master," she told him, in that same archaic accent she'd had, before.

 

[firestorm]

Hmm...perhaps his clan's power comes from its soldiers' weapons, the finest in all of Japan?

'I am the bone of my sword...' The young samurai looked on in awe, his betters chuckling at the amazed expression in his eyes, remembering the time when their young lord had gifted them with their blades. The ringing of a thousand hammers on a thousand anvils sang in harmony with the roars of a thousand furnaces, piecing together an impossibly sharp and hard, yet durable, sword. The raw material twisted in midair, gleaming with a cold white light. Soon enough, the weapon was finished, and Shirou, grasping its hilt, presented it to the samurai. "As you serve me and my clan unto death, let this blade, imbued with my power, serve you and protect your life" he intoned, reciting the words from memory. As the young samurai bowed down deeply, Shirou strode out of his hall. He knew his warriors would be drinking and celebrating, but he had no desire for sake, remembering the first and only time he had gotten drunk. The look on Sakura's face when he woke up with Ayako in his right arm was bad enough, but Rin would never let him forget the fact that Issei was in his left. The next loop, he was almost GLAD when Rider cut off the same arm in the forest behind the school.

 

[Prince Charon]

He knew his warriors would be drinking and celebrating, but he had no desire for sake, remembering the first and only time he had gotten drunk. The look on Sakura's face when he woke up with Ayako in his right arm was bad enough, but Rin would never let him forget the fact that Issei was in his left. The next loop, he was almost GLAD when Rider cut off the same arm in the forest behind the school.

:snigger: Nice. Poor Shirou, though.

EDIT: An extension of the later loop, with at least Sakura remembering:

As Shirou stared in shock, noting that Sakura apparently remembered that earlier loop, Sakura waited for his response, and grew nervous.

"Did I not please you, Master?" she asked.

"Ah, its OK, Sakura," he replied, "I was going to kill him for you, so its alright as long as you don't get caught. We'll just have to make sure no evidence points to anyone we want walking around."

 

[lask]

<a href='http://typemoon.us/fanfiction/spiral-of-fate]Spiral of Fate[/url], a FSN story by Kieran. Recently started, only has two chapters... and apparently Kieran is taking a forced break from fanfiction. (Due to, I think, health concerns?)

It starts off with a Shirou going through his 26th loop of the Fifth Holy Grail War.

Has been updated to chapter three.

And now it's at chapter four. Shirou might have just dumped himself into his first FUBAR loop.

 

[Deathwings]

Spiral of Fate, a FSN story by Kieran. Recently started, only has two chapters... and apparently Kieran is taking a forced break from fanfiction. (Due to, I think, health concerns?)

It starts off with a Shirou going through his 26th loop of the Fifth Holy Grail War.

Has been updated to chapter three.

And now it's at chapter four. Shirou might have just dumped himself into his first FUBAR loop.

. . . And the world went white . . .

"...and that's what happened."

Shirou came out of his narrative and looked at the peoples surrounding him.

Harry was frantically noting down things on a notepad, a half-crazed expression on his face. New form of magic to study, YAY !

Shinji was looking at the red haired Anchor with an expression between bafflement, amusement and pity. That one was really screwed up, alright.

Naruto was desperately trying to keep his expression in check. While the situation was incredibly amusing to him, he knew that being the subject of the event wasn't. He had gone through much of the same thing himself after all.

Finally, Ranma keep staring at the ceiling, a pensive expression on his face.

The tableau held for some more moment, the only sound the scribbling of Harry's pen and Naruto's suspect cough.

Then Ranma suddenly locked gaze with the newcomer and everyone became silent, waiting for the Head Anchor verdict.

"Congratulation," he deadpanned. "You just manage to burst your Universe like a bubble."

 

[Delta Green Friendly]

Spiral of Fate, a FSN story by Kieran. Recently started, only has two chapters... and apparently Kieran is taking a forced break from fanfiction. (Due to, I think, health concerns?)

It starts off with a Shirou going through his 26th loop of the Fifth Holy Grail War.

Has been updated to chapter three.

And now it's at chapter four. Shirou might have just dumped himself into his first FUBAR loop.

. . . And the world went white . . .

"...and that's what happened."

Shirou came out of his narrative and looked at the peoples surrounding him.

Harry was frantically noting down things on a notepad, a half-crazed expression on his face. New form of magic to study, YAY !

Shinji was looking at the red haired Anchor with an expression between bafflement, amusement and pity. That one was really screwed up, alright.

Naruto was desperately trying to keep his expression in check. While the situation was incredibly amusing to him, he knew that being the subject of the event wasn't. He had gone through much of the same thing himself after all.

Finally, Ranma keep staring at the ceiling, a pensive expression on his face.

The tableau held for some more moment, the only sound the scribbling of Harry's pen and Naruto's suspect cough.

Then Ranma suddenly locked gaze with the newcomer and everyone became silent, waiting for the Head Anchor verdict.

"Congratulation," he deadpanned. "You just manage to burst your Universe like a bubble."

Wonder how they'd react the first time Shirou pops out Unlimited Blade Works, which has to be hellishly impressive with hundreds of loops under his belt, during a shared loop.

I mean, with hundreds of magical circuits, increasing with every loop? As I understand it, he should be able to spam his most powerful Noble Phantasms copies like they were going out of style. And I don't dare to imagine how much he could Reinforce himself right now, never mind that he does have Avalon within him. This Shirou has to be pretty damn powerful for such a new guy in the loops.

 

[Muramasa]

Err... you know having so many circuits may not be a good thing. The circuit isn't producing prana. It's converting your life energy into prana. With so many circuits doing this all at once wouldn't he be literally sucked dry?

 

[Delta Green Friendly]

Err... you know having so many circuits may not be a good thing. The circuit isn't producing prana. It's converting your life energy into prana. With so many circuits doing this all at once wouldn't he be literally sucked dry?

I have repeated oft that I am not a specialist of Nasu-verse Magics. Beyond the fact that the magical circuits represent the "maximum voltage/amperage" of a Mage, I don't know much. The addition of magic circuits in a regular fashion after each loop is as written in the story.

 

[AbyssalDaemon]

Err... you know having so many circuits may not be a good thing. The circuit isn't producing prana. It's converting your life energy into prana. With so many circuits doing this all at once wouldn't he be literally sucked dry?

The Circuits also draws in Mana which it then converts into Prana, so Shirou wouldn't be too badly off. Though I'm not quite sure about the environment around him.

 

[Ryuugi]

Err... you know having so many circuits may not be a good thing.? The circuit isn't producing prana.? It's converting your life energy into prana.? With so many circuits doing this all at once wouldn't he be literally sucked dry?

The Circuits also draws in Mana which it then converts into Prana, so Shirou wouldn't be too badly off. Though I'm not quite sure about the environment around him.

Doesn't that take awhile to convert, though?

Just checked, and yes, it does:

Mana can be taken in accordingly with the capacities of the Magic Circuits, but the actual conversion process will take time.

 

[Delta Green Friendly]

I also realized something else. Shirou's Tracing and Reinforcing abilities, which combined make UBW, are his alone. They are something that no other Looper can ever copy. No matter how long they train, no matter how long they try, they could never manage to use Shirou's abilities like they can use HP magic, Shinigami powers or martial arts.

They might be able to use other types of Nasu-verse magics, but something like Shirou's abilities?

To badly paraphrase, their bodies aren't made for swords.

 

[firestorm]

I also realized something else. Shirou's Tracing and Reinforcing abilities, which combined make UBW, are his alone. They are something that no other Looper can ever copy. No matter how long they train, no matter how long they try, they could never manage to use Shirou's abilities like they can use HP magic, Shinigami powers or martial arts.

They might be able to use other types of Nasu-verse magics, but something like Shirou's abilities?

To badly paraphrase, their bodies aren't made for swords.

Nah. Badly paraphrasing would be...

They are not the bone of their swords.

 

[lask]

They could create their own Reality Marble's through the right kinds of hard work and obsession though, something no looper seems to lack. They would work to represent something fundmental about each looper though, they wouldn't be 'generic' powers.

 

[Prince Charon]

They could create their own Reality Marble's through the right kinds of hard work and obsession though, something no looper seems to lack. They would work to represent something fundmental about each looper though, they wouldn't be 'generic' powers.

Hmm, what would Ranma's Reality Marble be, then? He seems like someone who'd be very happy for something new to do.

 

[lask]

Lair of the Gary Stu!

 

[firestorm]

Naruto's Reality Marble.

Unlimited Ramen Works. Complete with Ramen Chef!Kyuubi.

 

[lask]

Nanoha would probably have one which chained everyone down. Only those at peace with themselves and their convictions could fight, by using the concept of 'purpose' to shatter those chains.

Edit: Spelling Error Banishing Technique! h43r:

 

[Delta Green Friendly]

Nanoha would probably have one which chained everyone down. Only those at peace with themselves and their convictions could fight, by using the concept of 'perpose' to shatter those chains.

You mean "purpose", I assume?

 

[lask]

Gah.