Nasuverse FSN Question Thread
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The VN, definitely. The anime and manga aren't even close to the VN in quality, and they don't cover all of the storylines from the game.
Or, assuming that you're looking for a torrent (because, let's be honest, I doubt you're going to go out and buy it without even knowing anything about it...), just google for "fate/stay night torrent", or search any of the popular torrent sites for it.
Oh, also, you need the mirror moon patch, which is at mirrormoon.org.
Or, assuming that you're looking for a torrent (because, let's be honest, I doubt you're going to go out and buy it without even knowing anything about it...), just google for "fate/stay night torrent", or search any of the popular torrent sites for it.
Oh, also, you need the mirror moon patch, which is at mirrormoon.org.
Okay, I have a complicated mechanics question. <a href='http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Fragarach' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Fragarach</a> vs <a href='http://' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Ea</a>. Also please consider if Fragarach is used as a Broken Phantasm, which Ea kindof deserves.
What happen? Fragarach always goes first, right? But Ea is retarded strong.
What happen? Fragarach always goes first, right? But Ea is retarded strong.
Using Fragarach as a Broken Phantasm is redundant. Its a one use Noble Phantasm as it is, and is already A ranked.
As for the result, it depends on just what Gilgamesh does with it. If he only used the flames, he'll die to the counterattack and the attack should be canceled.
If he uses it to the extent that space-time is torn, I doubt reversing time will actually be enough to get rid of the big old tear in reality that is going to kill Bazette. However, it may still kill Gil though.
As for the result, it depends on just what Gilgamesh does with it. If he only used the flames, he'll die to the counterattack and the attack should be canceled.
If he uses it to the extent that space-time is torn, I doubt reversing time will actually be enough to get rid of the big old tear in reality that is going to kill Bazette. However, it may still kill Gil though.
Hm... my thinking was, "why did Kotomine take out Bazette?" If he's the overseer of the Grail War, then all the "intelligence gathering" he did with Lancer was basically superfluous since the Masters were supposed to announce to him that they were participating... and it occurred to me he was taking out a power that he knew could defeat his true Servant, and I wondered if that might have been a big reason to kill her.
Ok, to correct the Fragarach example:
If Fragarach goes Answerer on Ea, then Ea's attack plainly does not happen. There is no space-time ripping leftover, it would be as if Ea was never used. Only NPs like Gae Bolg would be immune to that effect, since the curse has already guaranteed the result.
Mechanism speculation ahead:
(Even with the reversed order, since Gae Bolg was already invoked, it will hit Bazette's heart. Rather, the effect of hitting the heart was already written into fate, so even when Bazette attacks first, her fate was still sealed. It's an interesting situation where Gae Bolg wasn't activated (and it was activated) but it still hit. Or maybe it's something like, because the fate of being hit was certain, the cause was forced back into play. Even though Fragarach might have erased the cause, Fragarach did not erase the effect. Usually, erasing the cause is enough to erase the effect, except for Gae Bolg, it is the effect that is absolute, the cause follows that. If you erase the cause, the effect will just necessitate another cause.)
Anyways, Fragarach as Answerer is A rank. If you BP it, I guess it might become something like A+ rank? That doesn't matter anyways, the point of Fragarach is the whole reversal of order thing.
As for Kotomine, mind that Masters announcing themselves to the supervisor does not mean revealing information about their Servant (other than maybe class). Likely, Bazette was too dangerous to keep alive? (Not in the fearing for his life kinda way but more like his plan.)
I mean, it's not like he knew Bazette has Fragarach (or maybe he does), and it's not like he would be particularly worried about Gilgamesh, but all the same Bazette is a competent magus and she's his equivalent in the MA. He was an executor, she's a sealing agent. Likely whatever plans he had would have been opposed by her, so she was an obstacle.
I sincerely doubt, however, that the main reason why he killed her was because she might have been able to defeat Gilgamesh.
If Fragarach goes Answerer on Ea, then Ea's attack plainly does not happen. There is no space-time ripping leftover, it would be as if Ea was never used. Only NPs like Gae Bolg would be immune to that effect, since the curse has already guaranteed the result.
Mechanism speculation ahead:
(Even with the reversed order, since Gae Bolg was already invoked, it will hit Bazette's heart. Rather, the effect of hitting the heart was already written into fate, so even when Bazette attacks first, her fate was still sealed. It's an interesting situation where Gae Bolg wasn't activated (and it was activated) but it still hit. Or maybe it's something like, because the fate of being hit was certain, the cause was forced back into play. Even though Fragarach might have erased the cause, Fragarach did not erase the effect. Usually, erasing the cause is enough to erase the effect, except for Gae Bolg, it is the effect that is absolute, the cause follows that. If you erase the cause, the effect will just necessitate another cause.)
Anyways, Fragarach as Answerer is A rank. If you BP it, I guess it might become something like A+ rank? That doesn't matter anyways, the point of Fragarach is the whole reversal of order thing.
As for Kotomine, mind that Masters announcing themselves to the supervisor does not mean revealing information about their Servant (other than maybe class). Likely, Bazette was too dangerous to keep alive? (Not in the fearing for his life kinda way but more like his plan.)
I mean, it's not like he knew Bazette has Fragarach (or maybe he does), and it's not like he would be particularly worried about Gilgamesh, but all the same Bazette is a competent magus and she's his equivalent in the MA. He was an executor, she's a sealing agent. Likely whatever plans he had would have been opposed by her, so she was an obstacle.
I sincerely doubt, however, that the main reason why he killed her was because she might have been able to defeat Gilgamesh.
Deathwings said:
That and he is a dick. He does stuff for evulz all the time. 
From Fuyuki wiki:
And from Type Moon Wiki
I know that it was supposedly able to kill Berserker since his "God Hand" is always activated and thus allows Fragarach to be used its potential but it is ultimately useless since Beserker has you know 12 lives and Fragarach is severly limited in supply.
As for Fragarach vs UBW Fragarach, thats kinda redundant and depends on who uses it first i guess? And even then it would probably only be a D-Rank attack ;p And if Archer uses sword spam, well good game? The only way Fragarach would win is if Archer uses a broken phantasm ;p
Elvarein said:
Deathwings said:
That and he is a dick. He does stuff for evulz all the time.
I'm quite certain its utterly useless against Berserker and expect it to have limited effectiveness against someone with high magical resistance. So who would die and who would not when getting hit by it?