General Persona Idea Help Thread

[Ryuugi]

I'll just put them all in here, and please feel free to do so as well.

Most of my ideas are only about half-formed, so I'd appreciate help with them. Most of them come in the form of writen segments without a story attached to them. For example, I was looking at the P3 cut-scene that Orpheus first appeared in, and saw the 'Master of Strings' part, and I just had to write this:

ôArisato Minato, I challenge you to a rock-off!ö

He looked at her in silence for a moment, before throwing back his head and laughing. The others quickly joined him.

After his laughter died down, he gestured sharply and others silenced as well, though the smirks on their faces remained.

ôI accept.ö He reached behind him, as though grabbing something on his back, though nothing was there. But when he pulled back his hand, he did indeed hold something; a lyre. He wrapped his other hand around it as well, and a bright light emitted from between his hands. He dragged on of his hands down and the other up, and as he did the light spread. When it covered the entire instrument, the brightness of the light increased until it was impossible to look at.

But just as quickly as it came, so to did it fade. And left behind in itÆs place wasà

An electric guitar?

ôBut just so you know? IÆm the Master of Strings.ö

So anyway, help would be appreciated, as would (hell, especially) more ideas.

So what Persona ideas have been running around your head?

(Note: this isn't a part of the Miscellaneous game fanfic ideas simply because I might need the stuff in this thread when I get a chance to right the Persona fic I've always wanted to write but could never get to work, and I'm to lazy to look through that whole thread, which it will eventually get lost in. So, yeah.)

 

[Scygnus Darkhawk]

Just stating that that idea is fucking awesome.

Should've named it though. Something famous, like a Gibson Les Paul or a Rickenbacker identical to John Lennon's. Which is, come to think of it, strangely appropriate for fighting against human negativity.

 

[Taiteki Kagato]

Persona ideas?

One that popped up once but I've never really been able to start was a P3 mess.

Basically, replace the main character with Solid Snake, exploring Tartarus solo.

Naomi plays the Voice with an Internet Connection at first, but is replaced later by Otacon.

Meryl and Johnny eventually join up as team mates, sort of Yukari/Junpei Alternatives.

Liquid Snake and Revolver Ocelot take the place of Strega, Nyx is replaced by REX...

Yeah. Thinking it over now, I'd probably have to end that with Snake waking up and swearing off Atlus games or something.

I loved Persona 3. It pretty much jumped to my "favorite game ever" spot, replacing System Shock 2, and I'm saddened by my relative lack of inclusion in any of my fics to date. And, while I intend to rectify that someday; for the time being, I guess I'll leave this snippet of a plot bunny here. Hopefully it made someone chuckle.

 

[mario_zx]

Since I've been playing P3P a fic where both main characters exist in the same universe.

 

[Watashiwa]

Since I've been playing P3P a fic where both main characters exist in the same universe.

I managed to find a few of those. They're okay.

My ideas are kinda fun. One is a re-do of the Persona -trinity soul- anime. Shin Kanzato and his brother Jun arrive in the city they left ten years ago, only to find that their eldest brother Ryo is a jerk who wants them out of his life. Things get much more complicated when it turns out that all three brothers have Personae, remember the Fall, and are being targeted by the Outsiders, Persona users with the power to extract the Personas of others, and a ghost girl named Ayane who has a connection to a monster that caused a disaster in the town ten years before...


The tv show sucked. The Outsiders storyline ran alongside the Ayane story, and neither ended up getting enough screentime. Akihiko showed up, seemed of character and couldn't summon his Persona. Then we got BS about adults not being able to use their Personas, characters who seemed like two characters stuck together (and this isn't the character who really is two in one...). Yeah.


Another one that I'm never going to touch is one that Luthorne came up with. Sometime after the Moonlight Bridge incident, Igor disappears from the Velvet Room. In his place is Arisato Minato. Elizabeth, with no idea what to do, goes to Philemon, who is just as lost. He tells her to take care of Minato, and to raise him as the next master of the Velvet Room.

Lulz ensue as Elizabeth does her best to raise a kid, with absolutely no knowledge of the human world, much less child rearing ability. Things get really funny when Minato gets lonely and starts summoning people from the real world to be his friends.

 

[A Curious Stranger]

There was also that Persona/Pokemon fusion thing Luthorne came up with a while ago. That had some potential.

 

[Sect]

There was also that Persona/Pokemon fusion thing Luthorne came up with a while ago. That had some potential.

Isn't that pretty much every SMT game ever made, or is it something else?

characters who seemed like two characters stuck together

Wait, so there's a <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRC-My7TJtc' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Multi Ethnic Siamese Twin Doctor</a> in there?

As for the Master of Strings snip, I was thinking this...

ôArisato Minato, I challenge you to a rock-off!ö

He looked at her in silence for a moment, before throwing back his head and laughing. The others quickly joined him.

After his laughter died down, he gestured sharply and others silenced as well, though the smirks on their faces remained.

ôI accept.ö He reached behind him,

and pulled out what appeared to be a pistol. The would be rocker could only stare in shock as the boy proceeded to point it at his own head.

"W-wait! There's no reason to go that-" her protest was cut off as Minato pulled the trigger, a sound like shattering glass erupting in the silence. Eyes wide, she looked at the guitar that was now floating in front of the boy, a most wicked and awesome thing.

Minato calmly took hold of the guitar, fingers resting on the strings. A wild look was on his face as he lifted his strumming hand high into the sky. "Heat Wave!" he cried out, bringing the hand down to unleash a sound not unlike the heavens roaring. His foe could only stare as the world went white around her, wondering how she could stand up to such rocking, and then nothing.

 

[A Curious Stranger]

Don't remember the specifics too well but it was like...

Every kid get a Persona when they reach a certain age where they need to learn to control themselves otherwise they might kill people. So they're sent into the wild to tame their Persona. Gym Leaders are your party members from the games who help you hone your skills or something.

It would have been either about Minato, who would be Red, or Souji, the Gold to Minato's Red. Was supposed to be either serious or not so serious. Been like a good 6 months or so since the idea came up though.

 

[Sect]

Huh... I actually think there IS a SMT game similar to that, really...

EDIT: <a href='http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Shin_Megami_Tensei:_Devil_Children_(Series)' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>This might be what I'm thinking of...</a>

 

[Watashiwa]

Devil Children... urgh. >.>

And Sect, the character in question was a Persona user with a split personality, addicted to the drugs/technique/whatever that allowed her to use her Persona.

Then we found out she was a robot.

Yes.

-_-

 

[Nemi]

I suggested a Nocturn/Dresden Files crossover in another section, even wrote a few snippits for it.

Persona, spirits, mask...

Avatar The Last Airbender crossover?

Something that's a Big Honking Deal happens and you get a SchwartzVelt sort of situation? Wan Shi Tong packs up, Killing of the moon, Aang wakes up, Katara (the last waterbender in the south) leaves, Aang goes to sleep.

The last one has potential. The world is completely changed and fucked up and Aang, the last remainder of how things used to be, ought to be, of order, has to put things right and separate this shadowed realm from reality.

Or, do something with The Blue Spirit and fuck around with Zuko.

 

[Sect]

Devil Children... urgh. >.>

And Sect, the character in question was a Persona user with a split personality, addicted to the drugs/technique/whatever that allowed her to use her Persona.

Then we found out she was a robot.

Yes.

-_-

OF COURSE robots can have Personae, and so can dogs and Shadows and Junpei, but adults? No way, there. Eighteen and younger only on this train.

 

[grant]

The tv show sucked. The Outsiders storyline ran alongside the Ayane story, and neither ended up getting enough screentime. Akihiko showed up, seemed of character and couldn't summon his Persona. Then we got BS about adults not being able to use their Personas, characters who seemed like two characters stuck together (and this isn't the character who really is two in one...). Yeah.


Another one that I'm never going to touch is one that Luthorne came up with. Sometime after the Moonlight Bridge incident, Igor disappears from the Velvet Room. In his place is Arisato Minato. Elizabeth, with no idea what to do, goes to Philemon, who is just as lost. He tells her to take care of Minato, and to raise him as the next master of the Velvet Room.

Lulz ensue as Elizabeth does her best to raise a kid, with absolutely no knowledge of the human world, much less child rearing ability. Things get really funny when Minato gets lonely and starts summoning people from the real world to be his friends.

On Akihiko the show actually contradicts Persona 2. There you have several adult characters who are more than capable of summoning Personas and nothing ever suggests that P3 and P4 are an alternate continuity. In fact it makes no sense whatsoever for adults to be unable to do so.

The Elizabeth idea has merit.



A Persona fic where they either get back to Philemon and Nyarlathotep* or one where the team is forced to spend more and more time in another world trying to get someone or something back. Another idea would be a Code Geass/Persona crossover although it might be better to make it a CG fic with Persona themes. Fourth idea could follow the basic premise of Devil Survivor with the population spontaneously manifesting Personas.

*However you want to spell it.

 

[Watashiwa]

Devil Children... urgh.? >.>

And Sect, the character in question was a Persona user with a split personality, addicted to the drugs/technique/whatever that allowed her to use her Persona.

Then we found out she was a robot.

Yes.

-_-

OF COURSE robots can have Personae, and so can dogs and Shadows and Junpei, but adults? No way, there. Eighteen and younger only on this train.

Ah, no. My complaint was they had a very interesting storyline going about how manifesting a Persona was incredibly self destructive for her, but then at the last minute changed it to "SHE IS A ROBOT."

I don't mind there being more robots in Persona. The idea amuses me greatly. What I mind is plot threads being dealt with ham handedly and poorly.

 

[Sect]

On Akihiko the show actually contradicts Persona 2. There you have several adult characters who are more than capable of summoning Personas and nothing ever suggests that P3 and P4 are an alternate continuity. In fact it makes no sense whatsoever for adults to be unable to do so.

There's no evidence supporting P3 and 4 being in the same continuity as the first three, though.

Anyways, that guy that we all know was able to manifest a Persona, and you can't tell me that Takaya's younger than twenty.

EDIT: Had to take out the earlier name: white as spoiler text doesn't work if the background's blue.

 

[Watashiwa]

On Akihiko the show actually contradicts Persona 2. There you have several adult characters who are more than capable of summoning Personas and nothing ever suggests that P3 and P4 are an alternate continuity. In fact it makes no sense whatsoever for adults to be unable to do so.

There's no evidence supporting P3 and 4 being in the same continuity as the first three, though.

Anyways, that guy that we all know was able to manifest a Persona, and you can't tell me that Takaya's younger than twenty.

EDIT: Had to take out the earlier name: white as spoiler text doesn't work if the background's blue.

Persona 3, Yakushima trip.

"The Kirijo Group split off from the Nanjo Group X years ago."

Don't remember the number, but there's the link.

 

[grant]

On Akihiko the show actually contradicts Persona 2. There you have several adult characters who are more than capable of summoning Personas and nothing ever suggests that P3 and P4 are an alternate continuity. In fact it makes no sense whatsoever for adults to be unable to do so.

There's no evidence supporting P3 and 4 being in the same continuity as the first three, though.

Anyways, that guy that we all know was able to manifest a Persona, and you can't tell me that Takaya's younger than twenty.

EDIT: Had to take out the earlier name: white as spoiler text doesn't work if the background's blue.

Persona 3, Yakushima trip.

"The Kirijo Group split off from the Nanjo Group X years ago."

Don't remember the number, but there's the link.

While that's not perfect evidence that is one piece. Another is that Igor exists in Persona 3 and 4, much like the earlier Persona games (although sadly the artist, pianist and singer don't make any appearances). While not definite I'd say there's more evidence to suggest it all takes place in the same universe than there is to say that there are alternate universes. Anyway, even if we do assume that they take place in different universes it doesn't explain why becoming an adult would take away your ability to use a Persona.


Edit.

Wait a minute! God damn it, these people didn't even bother to research the franchise when they made the show! Persona 4 there are TWO adults who use Shadows or Personas. Both Namatame and Adachi use a Shadow and a Persona respectively, and we learn in P3P that Personas are Shadows. I can accept that they might not have known every detail but would it have killed these writers to at least check the facts?

 

[Scygnus Darkhawk]

A few things... Namatame and Adachi's uses were corrupted, that is, they didn't work like normal personae and also artificially induced.

I think that adults can use personae... but only teenagers, with their mass of conflicting values, their mental transitional state, etc. are capable of acquiring a persona. Adults are more mentally stable, so their hidden bits, their shadows, are either much weaker or much further suppressed. It could happen, but it's much less likely.

That's going by the P4 method of 'face yourself' rather than P3 and others' 'o hay have a superpower'. Well, as far as I know, anyway.


I was actually thinking of doing a Wheel of Time/Persona crossover. Pre-canon. The World of Dreams is an excellent stage for it, and Mashadar and Mordeth excellent opponents. We've got Despair and Deceit, why not Desire? The three ta'veren for The Fool, allowing three parties at a time, a rescued Aiel Dreamwalker to give the contract. Could be a bit interesting.

 

[Sect]

and we learn in P3P that Personas are Shadows

Hell, that's not a spoiler at all: that's revealed in either 3 or 4. In fact, you can go as far as to say that that was revealed way back in Persona (demons are the manfestations of humanity's collective fears, desires, et cetera, I recall). It's also the reason why I'm not using the demons vs. Shadows as an arguement against P/IS/EP being a different continuity than 3/4/3P.

Anyways, it gets really weird when Teddy develops a Persona, despite being a Shadow. After that, all bets are off on who can/can't develop Personas.

EDIT: First off, we need to come to a consensus as to what we're trying to keep secret and what we aren't. Second, you have a point, Syggy, but Strega, Aigis, and Souji also all have artificially induced Personas. In fact, I could argue that Minato/Hamuko's is also artificially induced, due to the circumstances. As for adults developing Personas, in 2 we have Katsuya, Ulala, and Baofu developing Personas as adults (though whether or not Phil's influence counts as "artificially" inducing a Persona might change that...).

 

[grant]

Well let's not name names about the adults from the later game. One of those two really came out of nowhere for me when I was playing so let's try to preserve that for the few fans that haven't played it. Avoid mentioning final bosses too much although the P3 one isn't really a spoiler. Also avoid the end of P3 for the few who haven't already seen it on TVTropes. Aside from that I'd say most of the series is fair game. So Scygnus, please edit the post a little.

I think that with everything in five games it's safe to say that adults can use Personas under at least some circumstances. Maybe it's less likely with adults for some reason, but even then the real reason is probably that they just wanted teenage protagonists*. Also we should remember that the anime isn't considered canon so it isn't even worth debating that much.

I deliberately didn't say that part about shadows because I wasn't sure if it had appeared earlier than P3P or not (although I had already guessed it by Persona 3).

*It'll be interesting if Catherine has anything to do with Persona in any way, although I'm assuming it won't. I really wish Atlus would give more info already.

 

[Watashiwa]

The -trinity soul- anime ignores all previous Persona games.

It was also made before Persona 4 was announced. The Answer as well.

Further, -trinity soul- isn't canon to Persona 3.

Which is why I wanted to write this story. A version of -trinity soul- respectful to the original games and without the show's compressedness and ham handed practices... could be really, really good.

 

[Sect]

The -trinity soul- anime ignores all previous Persona games.

It was also made before Persona 4 was announced. The Answer as well.

Further, -trinity soul- isn't canon to Persona 3.

Which is why I wanted to write this story. A version of -trinity soul- respectful to the original games and without the show's compressedness and ham handed practices... could be really, really good.

And a multi-ethnic siamese twin doctor Persona user... that's also a robot.

 

[Ryuugi]

As for the Master of Strings snip, I was thinking this...

ôArisato Minato, I challenge you to a rock-off!ö

He looked at her in silence for a moment, before throwing back his head and laughing. The others quickly joined him.

After his laughter died down, he gestured sharply and others silenced as well, though the smirks on their faces remained.

ôI accept.ö He reached behind him,

and pulled out what appeared to be a pistol. The would be rocker could only stare in shock as the boy proceeded to point it at his own head.

"W-wait! There's no reason to go that-" her protest was cut off as Minato pulled the trigger, a sound like shattering glass erupting in the silence. Eyes wide, she looked at the guitar that was now floating in front of the boy, a most wicked and awesome thing.

Minato calmly took hold of the guitar, fingers resting on the strings. A wild look was on his face as he lifted his strumming hand high into the sky. "Heat Wave!" he cried out, bringing the hand down to unleash a sound not unlike the heavens roaring. His foe could only stare as the world went white around her, wondering how she could stand up to such rocking, and then nothing.

"Turn it Up!" Minato ordered.

'Turn it up?' She wondered. 'What's he talking about?'

Then, she noticed something. One of his...assistants? One of them to reaching for a dial.

Her eyes widened.

The dial was currently on 'Zero'.

It was off!? He was doing that while it was off!?

'This is Impossible!' She thought. 'How can this be!?'

"Look at me. Maybe you'll see." Minato shouted over the Music.

Her eyes snaped over to him just as the dial was turned up to one. She was forced to take a step back at what she saw.

"Orpheus!" Minato shouted.

And behind him, something was forming. A robotic looking man; robotic but for the head, at least. She could see no pupils in his red eyes, but she knew he was looking at her.

And when he started playing, his killer guitar riff hit her like a physical blow.
------

I've already decided I'll probably do one for each setting on the dial.

Naturally, it goes up to Eleven.

I'm not sure about all of them, yet, but Eleven pretty much as to be the Demonic duo, Helel and Satan, performing their famous song 'Armageddon.'

And another one, I'm not sure which number, has to be the rockin' twins; the 'Voice of God,' Metatron, and his brother, the 'Master of Heavenly Songs', Sandalphon.

Any idea what the other numbers should be?

 

[grant]

Maybe a very suggestive one for Mara or Succubus and a wacky song along the lines of 'I am the Walrus' for Alice. Thanatos could be a strong Gregorian chant, think O Fortuna.

Who exactly is challenging him anyway or is it the musical equivalent of Initial D?

 

[Watashiwa]

The -trinity soul- anime ignores all previous Persona games.

It was also made before Persona 4 was announced.? The Answer as well.

Further, -trinity soul- isn't canon to Persona 3.

Which is why I wanted to write this story. A version of -trinity soul- respectful to the original games and without the show's compressedness and ham handed practices... could be really, really good.

And a multi-ethnic siamese twin doctor Persona user... that's also a robot.

No, just a Japanese schoolgirl who you think has a split personality but in fact is just a robot.

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Ryuugi: Thanatos, with "Don't Fear the Reaper".