Naruto Kakashi's special training
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I doubt it. Severely.
In Japan, Sasuke is, far and away, the most popular character. And Chidori is both the most popular, and the fourth or fifth most popular (under the name Raikiri) technique.
So says the popularity poll as of Chapter 245; I have not seen a more recent one but I doubt anything's changed.
Frankly I doubt Kishimoto really gives a flying fuck about the American audience who only read the series through scanlations or Viz. His bread is buttered by the Japanese audience, and if his series weren't selling, it would be discontinued in about half a heartbeat.
In Japan, Sasuke is, far and away, the most popular character. And Chidori is both the most popular, and the fourth or fifth most popular (under the name Raikiri) technique.
So says the popularity poll as of Chapter 245; I have not seen a more recent one but I doubt anything's changed.
Frankly I doubt Kishimoto really gives a flying fuck about the American audience who only read the series through scanlations or Viz. His bread is buttered by the Japanese audience, and if his series weren't selling, it would be discontinued in about half a heartbeat.
I can't really agree with that, he did tell Shika that he had the talent to become Hokage if he wanted to. Where's the raw though? All that was out was the translation.
I would have been upset if Asuma survived with the wounds he took. Now I'm just upset about how badly Asuma fought. This is all a jounin is capable of? Neither Hidan or Kakuzu are anywhere near say Oro's level. I was highly disappointed with that fight.
I would have been upset if Asuma survived with the wounds he took. Now I'm just upset about how badly Asuma fought. This is all a jounin is capable of? Neither Hidan or Kakuzu are anywhere near say Oro's level. I was highly disappointed with that fight.
Sasuke this...Sasuke that....don`t they realise how easy it is to kill a Sharingan user if you use your head? Hell Zabuza showed us how and I bet Kishimoto is sorry he wrote the Wave arc for it.
Blind the idiot, make it impossible to see beyond a few feet and distract him then hit him from a blind spot or if the ground is soft enough use the groundhog decapitation technique...followed be a few well placed kicks...wallah bye bye Sasuke.
Blind the idiot, make it impossible to see beyond a few feet and distract him then hit him from a blind spot or if the ground is soft enough use the groundhog decapitation technique...followed be a few well placed kicks...wallah bye bye Sasuke.
Yep. Anywhere and everywhere I go, my favorite thing to say is 'Even if they are Super Eyes, they're just eyes." Ever heard the hand is faster than the eye? Start pulling some super-sneaky shit, use mist, use super-seed. Shit, I figured if Naruto were going to beat the Sharingan without resorting to stuff like Hiraishin or some other crazy speed boost, he'd be the only one who could win because he's the wiliest bastard out of all of them! He specializes in misdirection! Somewhere, that focus was lost. Somewhere, it became 'who's more powerful/faster' etc. Who has the better trick. It is irritating as heck, and I'm sure many people like myself do not foresee it ever going back to when things were clever.
Kakashi can't see? Wow, great way to neutralize me Zabuza. But wait, I happen to summon ninja dogs that go underground. Thwap! Hey Zabuza look, a shuriken! No, we didn't mean to get you with that one, it's a shadow shuriken! BWAH Sucker, it's actually Naruto! or better yet, hey Neji, it looks like you won. There's Naruto, laying in a heap like the dropout that he is. SLAM! Punched in the face? WHy that wasn't me fooL! it was a clone! SUCKA! or the 'good job Akamaru! Hey, why'd you bite me?' 'Wah blow, you taste like dog!' and such.
THere's plenty of tricks and sneaky shit pre-Rescue Sucksuke. OBVIOUSLY that is no more. It's sad, really. Even with the super-genius and his leader, they couldn't deal with an enemy who had a greater trick. Suckage.
Kakashi can't see? Wow, great way to neutralize me Zabuza. But wait, I happen to summon ninja dogs that go underground. Thwap! Hey Zabuza look, a shuriken! No, we didn't mean to get you with that one, it's a shadow shuriken! BWAH Sucker, it's actually Naruto! or better yet, hey Neji, it looks like you won. There's Naruto, laying in a heap like the dropout that he is. SLAM! Punched in the face? WHy that wasn't me fooL! it was a clone! SUCKA! or the 'good job Akamaru! Hey, why'd you bite me?' 'Wah blow, you taste like dog!' and such.
THere's plenty of tricks and sneaky shit pre-Rescue Sucksuke. OBVIOUSLY that is no more. It's sad, really. Even with the super-genius and his leader, they couldn't deal with an enemy who had a greater trick. Suckage.
Of course not. If the supreme Sasuke-otaku wanted to keep sneaky-ass elements in the fights, then he'd have to actually put THOUGHT into what he was writing. <_<
As is, he can just pull crap out of his ass and spend all his free time fantasizing about over-angsting little boys. :headbanger:
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As is, he can just pull crap out of his ass and spend all his free time fantasizing about over-angsting little boys. :headbanger:
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Hyuuga are in the same boat in a way...imagine this all it needs is for Naruto to learn one jutsu and he can own Neji badly
Naruto threw the smoke bomb and cloned himself as he dug.His clone shot forward as Neji activated his Byukagan to see through the cloud.He struck it once, hard enough for it to pop into smoke when...a pair of hands shot up, grabbed him by the ankles and drug him underground. The Hyuuga genius glared at Naruto as he sat on his heels and looked down at him.
Naruto threw the smoke bomb and cloned himself as he dug.His clone shot forward as Neji activated his Byukagan to see through the cloud.He struck it once, hard enough for it to pop into smoke when...a pair of hands shot up, grabbed him by the ankles and drug him underground. The Hyuuga genius glared at Naruto as he sat on his heels and looked down at him.
I don't see how someone could say Shikamaru could become Hokage. Sure he's really smart and a great strategist (or is supposed to be; I've never been terribly impressed by what's shown in the manga and anime. Or the parts I've been willing to read/watch) But as Hokage he'd have to be a leader. i'll leave off arguements of needing to an elite, uber-strong ninja (which he isn't and likely never will be. Just doesn't has the motivation) But I don't see him having the charisma to be the head of the village, or even the love for the people of the village and what it stands for. Oh well, not sure why I get upset when a pile of shit has more filth spewed upon it.
I'll just go back to reading fanfiction now, where skill and cleverness is what makes things interesting, not Narutoball-Z
I'll just go back to reading fanfiction now, where skill and cleverness is what makes things interesting, not Narutoball-Z
Shikamaru won't become Hokage because he doesn't have the motivation for it. I agree with Kishimoto there though (can't believe I said that...), Shika has by far the most raw talent of anyone his age. He is a pure genius, smarter than everyone (Kakashi said he was as smart post-TS, but Kishimoto actually raised Kakashi's intelligence score in the second databook from what it originally was despite the Copy Ninja not improving. :lonegunman: )
Not only that, he has his own family Hijutsu to rely on and he has quite a bit of raw talent in chakra control, nin and genjutsu he just doesn't train. (even as lazy he is and no training his stats in these areas are average for a genin. Plus he was one of two genin to escape Kabuto's genjutsu during the invasion.)
Not only that, he has his own family Hijutsu to rely on and he has quite a bit of raw talent in chakra control, nin and genjutsu he just doesn't train. (even as lazy he is and no training his stats in these areas are average for a genin. Plus he was one of two genin to escape Kabuto's genjutsu during the invasion.)
The reason the sharingan couldn't see trhough the mist, which was a D rank techinique, was because while it can see chakra, it can see through it. Neji is the opposite. He could easily see through both a smoke bomb and the ground. The reason that Neji lost was two fold. One, with the chakra from the kaiten, and the chakra from Naruto he couldn't see anything. Two after he saw a kage bunshin on the ground he turned off his doujutsu.
Actually he got up after the blown up Kaiten with his byakugan deactivated. It was a stupid and arrogant thing to do since he thought he had the fight won.
Acompletely seperate issue:
Naruto should have been made chuunin after that exam. We were told that it was the ability to plan and fight like a chuunin were the factors that decided promotion, and Naruto showed just as much brilliance as Shikamaru with his first plan. He successfully faked out a byakugan user by planning ahead (which considering how overpowered they are is really something.) If Neji wasn't so skilled that he managed to do moves that he shouldn't have known Naruto would have won that fight. His trick at the end of that match was just gravy, showing that he could improvise when things when to hell on him.
Acompletely seperate issue:
Naruto should have been made chuunin after that exam. We were told that it was the ability to plan and fight like a chuunin were the factors that decided promotion, and Naruto showed just as much brilliance as Shikamaru with his first plan. He successfully faked out a byakugan user by planning ahead (which considering how overpowered they are is really something.) If Neji wasn't so skilled that he managed to do moves that he shouldn't have known Naruto would have won that fight. His trick at the end of that match was just gravy, showing that he could improvise when things when to hell on him.
Actually, it probably came more from the fact that even though he won, he did take Neji head-on when he knew Neji had the Kaiten and ridiculous close-combat capabilities.
Not that what he did afterwards wasn't genius, but come on, he ran at the guy straight-on. I think if not for that, and possibly if he had avoided getting caught in the special attack, the 64 hands what have you, he would have had a good chance.
But, with the council being the way it is, I expect it to happen the way many fics have shown, that Naruto ends up staying Genin forever because he can never really catch a break from the a-holes in the council and such.
Although, all things considered, I think it's kind of sad that he fought a demon possessed ninja and nobody made any mention of it, save the brief Sasuke/Sakura moment where she's all 'you're so modest' and he's like 'look, twit, the guy pulled shit out of his ass I didn't know he was capable of to keep you breathing.'
It's kind of sad, really. While I'm sure someone else could have stopped the Tanuki (maybe) it would have taken resources the village really didn't have to spare at the moment, and so tragedy would have struck elsewhere. See, that fight should have gotten him promoted. But nobody cares/cared. Sad, really. Sad.
Not that what he did afterwards wasn't genius, but come on, he ran at the guy straight-on. I think if not for that, and possibly if he had avoided getting caught in the special attack, the 64 hands what have you, he would have had a good chance.
But, with the council being the way it is, I expect it to happen the way many fics have shown, that Naruto ends up staying Genin forever because he can never really catch a break from the a-holes in the council and such.
Although, all things considered, I think it's kind of sad that he fought a demon possessed ninja and nobody made any mention of it, save the brief Sasuke/Sakura moment where she's all 'you're so modest' and he's like 'look, twit, the guy pulled shit out of his ass I didn't know he was capable of to keep you breathing.'
It's kind of sad, really. While I'm sure someone else could have stopped the Tanuki (maybe) it would have taken resources the village really didn't have to spare at the moment, and so tragedy would have struck elsewhere. See, that fight should have gotten him promoted. But nobody cares/cared. Sad, really. Sad.
Taking on Neji while he was running on Kyuubi's chakra gave him a pretty clear advantage though.
Me thinking too much: That battle was done well strategy wise. Naruto started by attacking from the side with shuriken showing that at the speed he was going Neji needed the Kaiten to defend himself. Not only that, when Neji threw them back at him he established his ability to simply outrun his attacks. The next exchange Naruto attacked with a thrown Kunai, forcing Neji to block with the same. Their charge with the weapons allowed Naruto to learn that he could match his abilities at close range without fear of the Hyuuga-ryu since Neji had to use a weapon to block it. At this point Naruto has shown many facets of this new battle: his attacks are pushing Neji while he can dodge what Neji is throwing at him, and relatively safely learned he can match him at close range with the increase of speed and strength. That led to the next stage of the fight: Naruto needed to break the Kaiten. At that time he had two choices, summoning or the Kyuubi's chakra he was already using. He took the more conservative move and used Kyuubi, overpowering Neji's Kaiten. After being blown away, Naruto used kage bunshin to lower Neji's guard if he was still up and sprung the trap that gave him the win.
Me thinking too much: That battle was done well strategy wise. Naruto started by attacking from the side with shuriken showing that at the speed he was going Neji needed the Kaiten to defend himself. Not only that, when Neji threw them back at him he established his ability to simply outrun his attacks. The next exchange Naruto attacked with a thrown Kunai, forcing Neji to block with the same. Their charge with the weapons allowed Naruto to learn that he could match his abilities at close range without fear of the Hyuuga-ryu since Neji had to use a weapon to block it. At this point Naruto has shown many facets of this new battle: his attacks are pushing Neji while he can dodge what Neji is throwing at him, and relatively safely learned he can match him at close range with the increase of speed and strength. That led to the next stage of the fight: Naruto needed to break the Kaiten. At that time he had two choices, summoning or the Kyuubi's chakra he was already using. He took the more conservative move and used Kyuubi, overpowering Neji's Kaiten. After being blown away, Naruto used kage bunshin to lower Neji's guard if he was still up and sprung the trap that gave him the win.
I agree with the assessment on Naruto and Neji's fight. Seriously, I think Bakamoto just didn't want Naruto to shine by making him a Chuuin - He certainly deserved it with his usage of tactics and brains to over come the prodigy Hyuuga.
Shikamaru has had to be clever and sneaky from the get go, as he lacks any ability to actually fight head on like Naruto does, thus forced to use his brain. I still say both Naruto and Shikamaru demonstrated the skills needed.
Also, the fact he was able to rejuvenate his tenketsu after Neji had blocked them all speaks of either A. Forethought into the battle, or B. Total Genius. There has never been a way revealed (as far as I know) to recover from Neji's attack those closes the tenketsus. The fact Naruto not only 'did' it, and won the match, speaks volumns.
Sure, some of the up and ups might realize that was all the Kyuubi's doing, but not all the judges would be aware of that.
Meh, my thoughts. Naruto didn't make Chuuin simply because Sasuke didn't make chuuin. Simple as that, IMO. Can't have Emo-fag upstaged by the bloody Star of the Manga.
Shikamaru has had to be clever and sneaky from the get go, as he lacks any ability to actually fight head on like Naruto does, thus forced to use his brain. I still say both Naruto and Shikamaru demonstrated the skills needed.
Also, the fact he was able to rejuvenate his tenketsu after Neji had blocked them all speaks of either A. Forethought into the battle, or B. Total Genius. There has never been a way revealed (as far as I know) to recover from Neji's attack those closes the tenketsus. The fact Naruto not only 'did' it, and won the match, speaks volumns.
Sure, some of the up and ups might realize that was all the Kyuubi's doing, but not all the judges would be aware of that.
Meh, my thoughts. Naruto didn't make Chuuin simply because Sasuke didn't make chuuin. Simple as that, IMO. Can't have Emo-fag upstaged by the bloody Star of the Manga.