Nanoha Vivid Discussion
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I figured that chapter is the first time Vivio and Einhart meet in person. After all, there is a line from Einhart that says "Without a doubt, that is the mark of the princess." To me that implies that Einhart has confirmed that Vivio is Olivie's clone. So maybe there was an earlier instance that Einhart saw Vivio, whether within the school or the training grounds, and since the resemblance is distinct enough to trigger Klaus' memories, then she had noted who the girl was related to. The fact that she specifically asked Nove whether she knew both Vivio and Ix means she kind of knew how they are related, but didn't know where they actually were. A quick look at the school records would probably reveal Vivio's address since she goes to the same school.
With regards to Fabia's case, what do we know about her? Does she have connections as well? We know less about her other than she's a fellow competitor. For reference's sake, what chapter in the manga does it state or imply that Fabia knows who Vivio really is?
With regards to Fabia's case, what do we know about her? Does she have connections as well? We know less about her other than she's a fellow competitor. For reference's sake, what chapter in the manga does it state or imply that Fabia knows who Vivio really is?
Oh, I presume they are allowed to worship Vivio in private. Just don't directly bother her.
It's important to realize the differences in our two societies, too. Here, we have no magic, so if someone appeared who did have it, there would be more beseeching and gatherings to witness miracles and such. Magic is totally accepted there, and the Church would already have people who can do magical healing. Most would know that Vivio is human. While they might worship Olive, they'd know she was human, too. So I'd think they don't see Vivio as a god directly, and probably the Saint Church worships Olive more as a good example to follow.
They know that neither Olive nor Vivio can save souls (and we haven't see anything in the Church teachings that suggests they are trying to send souls to heaven instead of hell), so what reason would they have to approach Vivio? Sure, probably to see what a reincarnated Olive looks like, like a tourist attraction. But this tourist attraction is currently closed to the public. I don't see a high need or desire for church followers to really want to bug Vivio. And if the Church teachings actively say that Olive and Vivio are normal humans, just fairly strong, and to merely be humble and follow Olive's selfless example to help better ourselves, then I'd predict a rather tame following. Just a group of people dedicated to doing selfless good.
Of course, we have to presume some measure of fanatics who'd take it too far (religions always have those). And maybe from time to time some of them have approached Vivio, but we haven't seen it. I'd presume that is part of the reason Vivio attends a Saint Church school, so Carim can shield her from those people. After a few such approachings, Carim, Nanoha, and others would be on the lookout, and the fanatics would know they weren't allowed to approach. At least for now. If I were Carim, I'd say, "Stop that. Leave her alone for now, to grow up. She's still a child. When she's older, she'll probably be more willing to talk to you and do church functions. Give her time." Even fanatics might be willing to have some patience.
It's important to realize the differences in our two societies, too. Here, we have no magic, so if someone appeared who did have it, there would be more beseeching and gatherings to witness miracles and such. Magic is totally accepted there, and the Church would already have people who can do magical healing. Most would know that Vivio is human. While they might worship Olive, they'd know she was human, too. So I'd think they don't see Vivio as a god directly, and probably the Saint Church worships Olive more as a good example to follow.
They know that neither Olive nor Vivio can save souls (and we haven't see anything in the Church teachings that suggests they are trying to send souls to heaven instead of hell), so what reason would they have to approach Vivio? Sure, probably to see what a reincarnated Olive looks like, like a tourist attraction. But this tourist attraction is currently closed to the public. I don't see a high need or desire for church followers to really want to bug Vivio. And if the Church teachings actively say that Olive and Vivio are normal humans, just fairly strong, and to merely be humble and follow Olive's selfless example to help better ourselves, then I'd predict a rather tame following. Just a group of people dedicated to doing selfless good.
Of course, we have to presume some measure of fanatics who'd take it too far (religions always have those). And maybe from time to time some of them have approached Vivio, but we haven't seen it. I'd presume that is part of the reason Vivio attends a Saint Church school, so Carim can shield her from those people. After a few such approachings, Carim, Nanoha, and others would be on the lookout, and the fanatics would know they weren't allowed to approach. At least for now. If I were Carim, I'd say, "Stop that. Leave her alone for now, to grow up. She's still a child. When she's older, she'll probably be more willing to talk to you and do church functions. Give her time." Even fanatics might be willing to have some patience.
I agree that it is there Einhart confirms Vivio is Olivie's clone, but it in no way shows that Einhart saw Vivio somewhere before.
Actually, the fact that she asked Nove about Ix pretty much shows the information is public knowledge, as Ix does not have the "I saw her walking by" excuse, so the only way for Einhart to know about her and more specifically Nove knowing her is because people talk about it openly.
She's spying on them. You don't spy on people without reason.
And in Vivid, she's pretty much stopped asking them to stop.
But yeah, Otto, Deed and Shante are a step in the direction I want, but it's only half a step. There should be more people reacting to this than just the people she knows.
I'd expect fanclubs at the very least. It's a rather tame form of veneration, but at least it'd be something besides apathy.
Hell, I'd even settle for recognition. Just random followers in the street going "your majesty" like Otto, Deed and Shante.
Actually, the fact that she asked Nove about Ix pretty much shows the information is public knowledge, as Ix does not have the "I saw her walking by" excuse, so the only way for Einhart to know about her and more specifically Nove knowing her is because people talk about it openly.
She's spying on them. You don't spy on people without reason.
And in Vivid, she's pretty much stopped asking them to stop.
But yeah, Otto, Deed and Shante are a step in the direction I want, but it's only half a step. There should be more people reacting to this than just the people she knows.
I'd expect fanclubs at the very least. It's a rather tame form of veneration, but at least it'd be something besides apathy.
Hell, I'd even settle for recognition. Just random followers in the street going "your majesty" like Otto, Deed and Shante.
Wow,, luckily I won't have to address some of these.
I guess you don't really consider possibilities that may happen offscreen, such as the reason why everybody likes Touma, or how Goku learned the SSJ 3 transformation, or on a more closer thing, how Nanoha got injured so badly it almost cost her life.
Aside from being the Saint Kaiser's clone, Vivio also happens to be Nanoha Takamachi's daughter. If Nanoha is regarded in Mid as a famous mage, surely her daughter would garner some form of attention in school. Also, the fact that Einhart had to confirm that Vivio is Olivie's clone means that she wasn't sure at first, and was only relying on speculation.
Besides, is seeing a person before actually getting to know them in person really such a far-fetched idea in this manga that I'm the only one I know that considers it? Honestly, I find the "everybody knows Vivio is the Saint Kaiser's clone" idea more unbelievable, but that's just me.
If that's the case, then why didn't she just ask the other martial artists that she beat up beforehand? Or to make her life easier, why didn't she just approach Vivio and asked? If the information about either Vivio and Ix is public knowledge and even if there was a rule stating that people are not to approach Vivio in public and asking if she was the Saint Kaiser or not, then what's stopping Einhart from just asking Vivio privately?
Besides, even if there were rules mandated by the Saint Church forbidding public Vivio worship, there still would be hardcore religious nuts that would try to approach Vivio from the shadows. Is Mid-Childian security that flawless? Given that Einhart managed to start street fights during the night, and Vivio sometimes goes out at night to practice, what's stopping hardcore religious nuts from approaching her?
Who was she spying on? It can't be Vivio because despite being the Saint Kaiser, she's been eliminated from the tournament so what reason could she want to spy on her? Sure she was on the crystal ball but so were Sieg and Miura; who are both potential opponents in the tournament. If she was spying on Vivio, shouldn't she be disappointed that this "Saint Kaiser clone" is kind of a weakling since she got eliminated in the tournament by some nobody?
And there of course is the lack of public adoration to Vivio in the tournament. If people knew she was the Saint Kaiser's clone. they could make an excuse to see her in the tournament by simply stating "I came to see Vivio Takamachi compete." Heck, even Vivio's first opponent in the tournament didn't think of her as much. Didn't she know she was in the presence of the Saint Kaiser? If she knew, then she should've been more careful or at the very least, shown her some respect.
I guess you don't really consider possibilities that may happen offscreen, such as the reason why everybody likes Touma, or how Goku learned the SSJ 3 transformation, or on a more closer thing, how Nanoha got injured so badly it almost cost her life.
Aside from being the Saint Kaiser's clone, Vivio also happens to be Nanoha Takamachi's daughter. If Nanoha is regarded in Mid as a famous mage, surely her daughter would garner some form of attention in school. Also, the fact that Einhart had to confirm that Vivio is Olivie's clone means that she wasn't sure at first, and was only relying on speculation.
Besides, is seeing a person before actually getting to know them in person really such a far-fetched idea in this manga that I'm the only one I know that considers it? Honestly, I find the "everybody knows Vivio is the Saint Kaiser's clone" idea more unbelievable, but that's just me.
If that's the case, then why didn't she just ask the other martial artists that she beat up beforehand? Or to make her life easier, why didn't she just approach Vivio and asked? If the information about either Vivio and Ix is public knowledge and even if there was a rule stating that people are not to approach Vivio in public and asking if she was the Saint Kaiser or not, then what's stopping Einhart from just asking Vivio privately?
Besides, even if there were rules mandated by the Saint Church forbidding public Vivio worship, there still would be hardcore religious nuts that would try to approach Vivio from the shadows. Is Mid-Childian security that flawless? Given that Einhart managed to start street fights during the night, and Vivio sometimes goes out at night to practice, what's stopping hardcore religious nuts from approaching her?
Who was she spying on? It can't be Vivio because despite being the Saint Kaiser, she's been eliminated from the tournament so what reason could she want to spy on her? Sure she was on the crystal ball but so were Sieg and Miura; who are both potential opponents in the tournament. If she was spying on Vivio, shouldn't she be disappointed that this "Saint Kaiser clone" is kind of a weakling since she got eliminated in the tournament by some nobody?
And there of course is the lack of public adoration to Vivio in the tournament. If people knew she was the Saint Kaiser's clone. they could make an excuse to see her in the tournament by simply stating "I came to see Vivio Takamachi compete." Heck, even Vivio's first opponent in the tournament didn't think of her as much. Didn't she know she was in the presence of the Saint Kaiser? If she knew, then she should've been more careful or at the very least, shown her some respect.
Einhart likely did research into Ixpellia at some point. She does, after all, own a Mariage visor, which she used to conceal her identity in her brawls.
As for people not approaching Vivio, I think a good deal of it stems from who her mother is. We know Vivio goes out in the evenings to practice magic, but what we have seen shows that she doesn't do it on her lonesome; she has her mother with her. And Vivio doesn't strike me as the type of girl to sneak out--yet. She's only 10 in ViVid, after all, not a teenager. Of course, this has flaws--the public might not be TOO aware of just how powerful Nanoha is, given Einhart's ignorance on the matter--but it's as likely a reason as any. Her mother helped destroy the Saint's Cradle. Woe to any nutjob who goes after her daughter.
As for people not approaching Vivio, I think a good deal of it stems from who her mother is. We know Vivio goes out in the evenings to practice magic, but what we have seen shows that she doesn't do it on her lonesome; she has her mother with her. And Vivio doesn't strike me as the type of girl to sneak out--yet. She's only 10 in ViVid, after all, not a teenager. Of course, this has flaws--the public might not be TOO aware of just how powerful Nanoha is, given Einhart's ignorance on the matter--but it's as likely a reason as any. Her mother helped destroy the Saint's Cradle. Woe to any nutjob who goes after her daughter.
The problem is that as a theory it's shaky at best, and contradicted by several other plotpoints. We know that Einhart was already experiencing Klaus's memories, that's why she's trained all her life.
This is another thing that has bugged me, yes.
She's a clone of the central figure of one of the biggest religions in dimensional space. That is headline material for every single newspaper, blog, twitter and facebook equivalent Mid and its worlds have. The only way people could not know this is if the secrecy on this of "launch codes for nuclear missiles" level. Otherwise this stuff would have been on the Midnet the second someone got a whiff of it and everyone would know about it.
It's something Tsuzuki either hadn't taken into consideration, or simply just doesn't want to bother with (the later is most likely given most of Nanoha's premise *cough*nine year old soldiers*cough*) but it's still a bit of a plotgap.
Not enough to make me stop reading Vivid, mind you, just a little tick of mine.
No idea. But that's also a strike against your own theory. If she recognized Vivio herself, there's no reason for her to confront Nove about it.
...Come to think of it, it doesn't make much sense that she knows Nove knows both kings but not who the kings are in the first place.
Hmyeah, good point. I concede she might just have been spying on Sieg.
That's precisely my point! Stuff like that should be happening, but it doesn't. Now I know Vivid doesn't focus on the shadow side, but at least the adoration should be there.
Mid has an internet. Security around Vivio's heritage is sorely lacking since rich girls (remember, Victoria also knows about Vivio) and even kids can find out. Put those two together and there is no way it is ever explainable that the entirety of dimensional space doesn't know about this. This stuff would go viral in seconds.
Just think about it: First the rumor would start that something, something, new Sankt Kaiser. Then people would investigate. Then the clone rumor would come out. Then people would start identifying which girl it is, and given how blatantly obvious the people of the church are around her they'd find out rather quick. Handheld camera's would scatter photo's of Vivio around the web. Bam. Everyone knows. We see this stuff happening all the time in this world, there's no reason dimensional space would be any different.
This is another thing that has bugged me, yes.
She's a clone of the central figure of one of the biggest religions in dimensional space. That is headline material for every single newspaper, blog, twitter and facebook equivalent Mid and its worlds have. The only way people could not know this is if the secrecy on this of "launch codes for nuclear missiles" level. Otherwise this stuff would have been on the Midnet the second someone got a whiff of it and everyone would know about it.
It's something Tsuzuki either hadn't taken into consideration, or simply just doesn't want to bother with (the later is most likely given most of Nanoha's premise *cough*nine year old soldiers*cough*) but it's still a bit of a plotgap.
Not enough to make me stop reading Vivid, mind you, just a little tick of mine.
No idea. But that's also a strike against your own theory. If she recognized Vivio herself, there's no reason for her to confront Nove about it.
...Come to think of it, it doesn't make much sense that she knows Nove knows both kings but not who the kings are in the first place.
Hmyeah, good point. I concede she might just have been spying on Sieg.
That's precisely my point! Stuff like that should be happening, but it doesn't. Now I know Vivid doesn't focus on the shadow side, but at least the adoration should be there.
Mid has an internet. Security around Vivio's heritage is sorely lacking since rich girls (remember, Victoria also knows about Vivio) and even kids can find out. Put those two together and there is no way it is ever explainable that the entirety of dimensional space doesn't know about this. This stuff would go viral in seconds.
Just think about it: First the rumor would start that something, something, new Sankt Kaiser. Then people would investigate. Then the clone rumor would come out. Then people would start identifying which girl it is, and given how blatantly obvious the people of the church are around her they'd find out rather quick. Handheld camera's would scatter photo's of Vivio around the web. Bam. Everyone knows. We see this stuff happening all the time in this world, there's no reason dimensional space would be any different.
So are other theories, but in my opinion, the one I have makes the most amount of sense. After all, sometimes the simplest solutions are the correct ones.
Wouldn't everybody knowing Vivio as the Saint Kaiser's clone and treating her as such be against the Aesop of the Lyrical Nanoha franchise? They always had the "A person is an individual, no matter what the circumstances of their birth are, thus they should be treated as such" aesop going on for three animated seasons. Having the Saint Church announce or even imply that the central figure of their church has been cloned would have forever changed Vivio's life and how people would treat her. She would never be seen as "Vivio Takamachi" but as "Saint Olivie." Even Einhart herself acknowledged that Vivio is not Olivie after exchanging fists with her.
See? She knows Nove is somehow connected to the Saint King and Ix, but does not exactly know who they really are. If she knew who Ix was, she probably wouldn't want to challenge her, Ix being a weak girl in a coma after all. She had to confront Nove about it because she wasn't sure if Vivio was related to Olivie. She probably saw her beforehand during one of her trips to the training center to scout possible opponents.
You're likening the news of Vivio's heritage to a scandal, which I admit, would evolve into something of the sort if it was found out. However, given that Victoria seemed to keep the information private, and we don't really know how she got the information in the first place, just that she possibly has a lot of connections, implies that either she's a follower of the Saint Church, or at the very least, respects the privacy of the information. heck, she's just slightly interested in Vivio and Einhart and more interested in her rematch with Harry and Sieg.
Also, the people in the church who are "blatantly obvious" with regards to Vivio's identity were also involved in the Saint Cradle incident. Chantez seems to be the sole exception to the rule, but since she's a nun, she probably got told who Vivio was (possibly by Otto and Deed) but asked to keep the information to herself. She adapted the "Your Majesty" term for Vivio because everybody calls her that anyway.
Finally, the Aesop that the series presents would be lost. I discussed this earlier though, so no need for me to repeat it.
Well we are having this discussion because we want an explanation to this little problem. I have my own side, you have yours. I think that shows that how much we like Vivid.
Now if only there were a Vivid fighting game, I'd be so happy.
Wouldn't everybody knowing Vivio as the Saint Kaiser's clone and treating her as such be against the Aesop of the Lyrical Nanoha franchise? They always had the "A person is an individual, no matter what the circumstances of their birth are, thus they should be treated as such" aesop going on for three animated seasons. Having the Saint Church announce or even imply that the central figure of their church has been cloned would have forever changed Vivio's life and how people would treat her. She would never be seen as "Vivio Takamachi" but as "Saint Olivie." Even Einhart herself acknowledged that Vivio is not Olivie after exchanging fists with her.
See? She knows Nove is somehow connected to the Saint King and Ix, but does not exactly know who they really are. If she knew who Ix was, she probably wouldn't want to challenge her, Ix being a weak girl in a coma after all. She had to confront Nove about it because she wasn't sure if Vivio was related to Olivie. She probably saw her beforehand during one of her trips to the training center to scout possible opponents.
You're likening the news of Vivio's heritage to a scandal, which I admit, would evolve into something of the sort if it was found out. However, given that Victoria seemed to keep the information private, and we don't really know how she got the information in the first place, just that she possibly has a lot of connections, implies that either she's a follower of the Saint Church, or at the very least, respects the privacy of the information. heck, she's just slightly interested in Vivio and Einhart and more interested in her rematch with Harry and Sieg.
Also, the people in the church who are "blatantly obvious" with regards to Vivio's identity were also involved in the Saint Cradle incident. Chantez seems to be the sole exception to the rule, but since she's a nun, she probably got told who Vivio was (possibly by Otto and Deed) but asked to keep the information to herself. She adapted the "Your Majesty" term for Vivio because everybody calls her that anyway.
Finally, the Aesop that the series presents would be lost. I discussed this earlier though, so no need for me to repeat it.
Well we are having this discussion because we want an explanation to this little problem. I have my own side, you have yours. I think that shows that how much we like Vivid.
Now if only there were a Vivid fighting game, I'd be so happy.
A scandal? Hardly. Headline material. Compare it to how most gamers often know a new title is in the works years before the first official word comes out. Except this news would be far bigger and spread much faster and more widely.
That the people in the church who are blatantly obvious about Vivio's heritage are closely related to the incident is not my point, my point is that they are blatantly obvious at all. This makes it rather impossible to keep it a secret. Which it isn't. As at the very least three characters have found out on their own already.
There is no way you can have pictures of her in every history book, people of the church calling her 'your majesty' in public and even kids finding out about this and still claim it is a secret and nobody knows. Neither religion nor the internet works like that. The only way this could happen is if nobody cares, but that in itself is the exact core problem people have issues with: That nobody seems to care that a clone of the goddamn Sankt Kaiser is running around.
That the people in the church who are blatantly obvious about Vivio's heritage are closely related to the incident is not my point, my point is that they are blatantly obvious at all. This makes it rather impossible to keep it a secret. Which it isn't. As at the very least three characters have found out on their own already.
There is no way you can have pictures of her in every history book, people of the church calling her 'your majesty' in public and even kids finding out about this and still claim it is a secret and nobody knows. Neither religion nor the internet works like that. The only way this could happen is if nobody cares, but that in itself is the exact core problem people have issues with: That nobody seems to care that a clone of the goddamn Sankt Kaiser is running around.
I can understand your beef, Keroko, and even agree with it a bit. But my own personal opinion is: no one seems to care much. Or at least, any issues have been worked out. Remember, 3 years pass between StrikerS and SSX, which is enough time for word to get out, and for the church to have an official position on it. And for people like Carim and Nanoha to take steps to deal with it. So, if there were any major issues, they've been dealt with by now. By Vivid, 4 years have gone by. The novelty has worn off.
Consider also, that the US President's children are fairly famous, but they are generally left alone. They go to school like everyone else. But it is understood by the media and society at large, that you don't harass a child. Societal pressure to leave a kid alone until they've grown up, is fairly huge. Sure, there might be people interested in seeing her, and they might get occasional pictures and information, but they won't be beating down the Takamachi door. Or, for another example, Prince Harry in the UK. He was able to anonymously join a military unit for service. Sure, the people in his unit might have known who he was, but no one else did.
Also, I think we're overestimating just how much importance we think the church places on a human. As I said before, they know Olive was a human, and they probably look to her as an example to follow for selfless behavior and doing good, but hardly a god or the second coming of Christ or something. Not even a prophet, as they'd know that she doesn't possess any special powers. She has magic, but so do a lot of other people.
Would I have liked to see the reaction from church members and perhaps any issues dealing with Vivio's origin becoming known? Sure. But by Vivid, I think it's all blown over. People are generally willing to leave a child alone. Maybe when she grows up, she'll have a more public face. But until then, societal pressure is enough to allow Vivio a mostly normal childhood. Hell, if anything, I expect Nanoha to have more problems from the public. People have to know who she is by now, and she has to have a fan club of people wanting to see her. There aren't that many Aces, so those that get fairly powerful have to be looked up to by many. She's even known as the goddamned Ace of Aces. Subaru fangirl'ed over Nanoha hard, so there have to be more like her. Teana knew who she was. A beautiful and powerful and eligible bachelorette? Why aren't there people camped out on the Takamachi lawn!
Consider also, that the US President's children are fairly famous, but they are generally left alone. They go to school like everyone else. But it is understood by the media and society at large, that you don't harass a child. Societal pressure to leave a kid alone until they've grown up, is fairly huge. Sure, there might be people interested in seeing her, and they might get occasional pictures and information, but they won't be beating down the Takamachi door. Or, for another example, Prince Harry in the UK. He was able to anonymously join a military unit for service. Sure, the people in his unit might have known who he was, but no one else did.
Also, I think we're overestimating just how much importance we think the church places on a human. As I said before, they know Olive was a human, and they probably look to her as an example to follow for selfless behavior and doing good, but hardly a god or the second coming of Christ or something. Not even a prophet, as they'd know that she doesn't possess any special powers. She has magic, but so do a lot of other people.
Would I have liked to see the reaction from church members and perhaps any issues dealing with Vivio's origin becoming known? Sure. But by Vivid, I think it's all blown over. People are generally willing to leave a child alone. Maybe when she grows up, she'll have a more public face. But until then, societal pressure is enough to allow Vivio a mostly normal childhood. Hell, if anything, I expect Nanoha to have more problems from the public. People have to know who she is by now, and she has to have a fan club of people wanting to see her. There aren't that many Aces, so those that get fairly powerful have to be looked up to by many. She's even known as the goddamned Ace of Aces. Subaru fangirl'ed over Nanoha hard, so there have to be more like her. Teana knew who she was. A beautiful and powerful and eligible bachelorette? Why aren't there people camped out on the Takamachi lawn!
But the president's kids can't exactly go wherever they want without drawing attention either. Look, I'm not asking for people to worship the very grounds she walks on, but at least acknowledgment would be nice. Vivid's an innocent manga that doesn't deal with grimdark, so at least a fanclub or something. Right now we have two scenarios, each with their own plotholes and missed chances.
1. Vivio's heritage is a secret. This doesn't make sense because people keep blowing that secret in public every single time. Plus, several characters have found out already, and if they can do so others can too.
2. It's known, but nobody really cares. This one has me scratching my head and going "really?" Olivie isn't just a random celebrity here, this is a person central to a religion here. "Nobody cares" is an excuse that just shatters my suspension of disbelief.
1. Vivio's heritage is a secret. This doesn't make sense because people keep blowing that secret in public every single time. Plus, several characters have found out already, and if they can do so others can too.
2. It's known, but nobody really cares. This one has me scratching my head and going "really?" Olivie isn't just a random celebrity here, this is a person central to a religion here. "Nobody cares" is an excuse that just shatters my suspension of disbelief.
They care. They just consider it douchy to bother her about it. And it's something that would have been brought up in Vivio's first year or two... time periods we didn't get to see. A bit annoying not to see? A bit. Vivid still might address it a little, though. We'll just have to see.
What I'd like to see? The cyborgs are criminals that killed people and caused a lot of damage, and now they walk around free. Where are the hate groups picketing their house? Where are the "You killed my husband! You should die!" type of people? That kind of attention should be present, too.
What I'd like to see? The cyborgs are criminals that killed people and caused a lot of damage, and now they walk around free. Where are the hate groups picketing their house? Where are the "You killed my husband! You should die!" type of people? That kind of attention should be present, too.
There might be a situation like that, however TSAB is protecting them from the brunt of that stuff.
As far as I know the past of various criminals, particularly those too young (Fate) or ignorant to know better (younger Numbers) are kept secret and only known to TSAB officers who deal with the thing. This is so that they can be returned to the society and lead more or less normal lives. Majority of Numbers' victims were the TSAB men meaning that not many civilians would know much about them and the TSAB soldiers know better than to take their anger out on Numbers.
Then there are cases like Cinque who was old enough and not ignorant, she is pretty much "on a leash" much like the rest of Numbers but she will never be let off that leash. she won't ever get a fully free life because TSAB will be keeping constant eye on her and will keep her actions controlled.
As far as I know the past of various criminals, particularly those too young (Fate) or ignorant to know better (younger Numbers) are kept secret and only known to TSAB officers who deal with the thing. This is so that they can be returned to the society and lead more or less normal lives. Majority of Numbers' victims were the TSAB men meaning that not many civilians would know much about them and the TSAB soldiers know better than to take their anger out on Numbers.
Then there are cases like Cinque who was old enough and not ignorant, she is pretty much "on a leash" much like the rest of Numbers but she will never be let off that leash. she won't ever get a fully free life because TSAB will be keeping constant eye on her and will keep her actions controlled.
A thought occurred to me regarding everyone ignoring the fact that Vivio is a clone of Sankt Kaiser.
The thing is that perhaps they just don't care because they know she isn't Sankt Kaiser?
For us cloning is something fairly new and unexplored but considering the scientific advancement of Mid-Childa cloning is something well-known to them. They got used to it and don't really get shocked or surprised by anything.
Vivio is Sankt Kaiser in the same way a clone of Hitler would be Adolph Hitler the second greatest bad guy of the 20th Century (I see Stalin as the greatest one personally). That clone Wouldn't be Hitler, he'd be just a kid with his DNA. Now for us this might be shocking, I mean A friggin Clone of Hitler but to a society which had access to that kind of tech for a Long time it wouldn't be anything surprising.
The thing is that it's the Actions and Choices that determine who we are, not our genetics. Mid-Childa people understand that and do not cause a fuss because of Vivio. She is NOT Sankt Kaiser, merely her clone. A child who have done or achieving nothing worth of interest. She might cause some interest initially but it would pass after a while.
Mid-Childa people simply think differently from us because their knowledge and tech are different. They probably had Plenty situations where some famous people got cloned.
The bottom line is, Vivio is NOT Sankt Kaiser. She is her own person who just happens to share the DNA with Sankt Kaiser Olive.
The thing is that perhaps they just don't care because they know she isn't Sankt Kaiser?
For us cloning is something fairly new and unexplored but considering the scientific advancement of Mid-Childa cloning is something well-known to them. They got used to it and don't really get shocked or surprised by anything.
Vivio is Sankt Kaiser in the same way a clone of Hitler would be Adolph Hitler the second greatest bad guy of the 20th Century (I see Stalin as the greatest one personally). That clone Wouldn't be Hitler, he'd be just a kid with his DNA. Now for us this might be shocking, I mean A friggin Clone of Hitler but to a society which had access to that kind of tech for a Long time it wouldn't be anything surprising.
The thing is that it's the Actions and Choices that determine who we are, not our genetics. Mid-Childa people understand that and do not cause a fuss because of Vivio. She is NOT Sankt Kaiser, merely her clone. A child who have done or achieving nothing worth of interest. She might cause some interest initially but it would pass after a while.
Mid-Childa people simply think differently from us because their knowledge and tech are different. They probably had Plenty situations where some famous people got cloned.
The bottom line is, Vivio is NOT Sankt Kaiser. She is her own person who just happens to share the DNA with Sankt Kaiser Olive.
Yes but that's the Church, official stuff and all but Vivio just Isn't Olive. Yes she is technically a Sankt Kaiser, but there is no more Belka meaning she is a King without Kingdom. Also... I don't think Sankt Kaisers are remembered all that fondly. They were part of the reason for the war which destroyed billions of lives...
No, there are numerous Belkan rulers, but only one Sankt Kaiser. There was Ingvault, who headed Shutra, and we also know of the "Thunder Emperor", who Victoria descended from, and "Black Jeremiah", whom Sieglinde descended from and was directly involved with Olivie and Ingvault.
While we don't know the whole story, what we do know from raw translations and such is that Olivie was sent to Shutra as a political hostage and was not, in fact, considered for the throne of the Sankt Kaiser at all. Her lack of arms may have had something to do with that.
While we don't know the whole story, what we do know from raw translations and such is that Olivie was sent to Shutra as a political hostage and was not, in fact, considered for the throne of the Sankt Kaiser at all. Her lack of arms may have had something to do with that.