Naruto Naruto Canon Tweaks
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That's still only two, because Hanzo didn't move on peacefully - he just used the limited control he had to fuck himself up and force his own loss.
Its entirely different to moving on peacefully.
My point was that moving on peacefully only happened twice at the very beginning - and for at least one of those people it mattered zilch because he was already beaten.
Removing it changes fuck all to the rest of the war.
Making the jutsu more horrible is another matter entirely.
Its entirely different to moving on peacefully.
My point was that moving on peacefully only happened twice at the very beginning - and for at least one of those people it mattered zilch because he was already beaten.
Removing it changes fuck all to the rest of the war.
Making the jutsu more horrible is another matter entirely.
Ninja. Also, a general lack of anything remotely resembling social services.
And his super-powers let him get the acknowledgement he wanted, which, let's be honest, could have never got without.
Also, Neji did both know of his seal since childhood AND in his childhood got a taste of being chained by FATE!, while Naruto's ignorance of his seal and reason he was ostracised might well have been the source of his reacting to FATE!.
Oh, and now we KNOW the Main Family is more than the direct line of succession of the Head. Which means Neji had yet one MORE reason to have problems with FATE!: if his father hadn't been the twin of Hiashi, they both would have been Main family, as well.
Orochimaru infiltrated Grass to get his hands on Grass-Cutter, but then took a liking to it and took it over.
And his super-powers let him get the acknowledgement he wanted, which, let's be honest, could have never got without.
Also, Neji did both know of his seal since childhood AND in his childhood got a taste of being chained by FATE!, while Naruto's ignorance of his seal and reason he was ostracised might well have been the source of his reacting to FATE!.
Oh, and now we KNOW the Main Family is more than the direct line of succession of the Head. Which means Neji had yet one MORE reason to have problems with FATE!: if his father hadn't been the twin of Hiashi, they both would have been Main family, as well.
Orochimaru infiltrated Grass to get his hands on Grass-Cutter, but then took a liking to it and took it over.
Lost control of his emotions when enraged or endangered as it drew out Kurama's chakra, except on the rare occasion that he draws it out consciously. It then gets worse the more chakra he uses until he becomes an uncontrollable monster. And using enough chakra to create a tailed cloak damages his body and shaves away his lifespan once he reaches level 2.
Kurama also seems capable of mindfucking him like when he draws Naruto into the cage against Orochimaru, tried to get him to open the seal against Pain and drowned him in hatred during their fight.
Yeah, we are.
Kurama grants him more chakra at the cost of that chakra being more difficult to control. Rather than boosting Naruto's chakra control, it's likely that his body has grown so accustomed to Kurama's chakra that had been present since he was born that removing that influence only makes things worse. If he had never been the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki, his chakra control would likely have never been that bad in the first place.
That poor chakra control also appears to be the root cause of why he couldn't learn the Clone Jutsu and likely what took him so long to learn the Transformation, which would be the principal cause for why he was considered the 'Dead Last' in the first place.
But to be fair, in terms of ability I think the advantages of the Kyuubi do outweigh the disadvantages.
His bad attitude and pranking was the direct result of being hated and neglected in the first place. It may have contributed to their dislike, whenever he actually got started on that, but it'd be minor in comparison to the real reason. His pranks may have annoyed the individuals involved but his status as a jinchuuriki is what earned everyone's ire since the day he was born.
So if someone did say something like that, I'd expect it to be someone who doesn't know about the Kyuubi making an incorrect assumption or if they personally disliked him more because of his attitude and was projecting.
Kurama also seems capable of mindfucking him like when he draws Naruto into the cage against Orochimaru, tried to get him to open the seal against Pain and drowned him in hatred during their fight.
Yeah, we are.
Kurama grants him more chakra at the cost of that chakra being more difficult to control. Rather than boosting Naruto's chakra control, it's likely that his body has grown so accustomed to Kurama's chakra that had been present since he was born that removing that influence only makes things worse. If he had never been the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki, his chakra control would likely have never been that bad in the first place.
That poor chakra control also appears to be the root cause of why he couldn't learn the Clone Jutsu and likely what took him so long to learn the Transformation, which would be the principal cause for why he was considered the 'Dead Last' in the first place.
But to be fair, in terms of ability I think the advantages of the Kyuubi do outweigh the disadvantages.
His bad attitude and pranking was the direct result of being hated and neglected in the first place. It may have contributed to their dislike, whenever he actually got started on that, but it'd be minor in comparison to the real reason. His pranks may have annoyed the individuals involved but his status as a jinchuuriki is what earned everyone's ire since the day he was born.
So if someone did say something like that, I'd expect it to be someone who doesn't know about the Kyuubi making an incorrect assumption or if they personally disliked him more because of his attitude and was projecting.
Does it say exactly what age Karin was when her village got murderkilled? Well, I know Orochimaru tends to go after his subordinates when they're young and impressionable, but was there an actual age for Karin when she lost her home village? Because I find it strange for Orochimaru to murder that Grass team and steal their identities if they're all on the same team, so to speak. And if Orochimaru was masquerading as that Grass girl, who the hell was posing as the Sound's instructor? Because you know Konoha wouldn't let a foreign ninja just disappear in their village and do nothing about it, especially seeing that they require foreign ninja to have travel visas just to enter.
Third Databook: Once, in a village destroyed by the fires of war, a young girl stood, totally unscathed. She said, "I knew a lot of people were approaching." This is how Orochimaru came to bring Karin to Otogakure. Karin began serving the Sound with her sharp sensory skills and clear thinking. However, although she was Orochimaru's subordinate, she never felt any loyalty to him. She continued because of her love for Sasuke etc.
Shadow clone or sound-nin disguised as not-Orochimaru.
Shadow clone or sound-nin disguised as not-Orochimaru.
So, no hard numbers for Karin... :\
I have a hard time buying into the possibility of Karin acting as a spy in Grass for Orchimaru by the time the Chunin Exams were running. If she could sense huge numbers of people from a distance and determine that they're coming to shed blood on her home village, making her a spy for anything would be a terrible waste of her potential, especially given that she's also an Uzumaki. Plus making a homeless a spy just strikes me as dumb for Orochimaru to consider doing, especially since he already has Kabuto.
In requiring Karin's aid to find Sasuke, I would call BS on that, as for starters, Orochimaru already knows Konoha inside and out, from every pig trail to that one back alley NO ONE goes into. More importantly, Orochimaru seems to be a sensor-type himself, so if he needed to sense out Sasuke, he really could do the job himself. And if he isn't, dude's a legendary ninja that worked under Danzo, for Pete's sake. He could find a needle in a haystack without ever touching said haystack; going after one kid that's not even hidden should be cake. Furthermore, Karin doesn't even recognize Sasuke when he saves her, so I really doubt she knew him at all before that moment. And if she has no idea who Sasuke was, then there's really no reason for her to be at the Chunin Exams unless she's legitimately there to become a Chunin.
So, yeah, I'm looking at her home village getting murderkilled shortly after the Exams, not before. Not much of a stretch, as there are a LOT of Hidden Villages out there, and we know Danzo and his forces had killed off at least a few of them (and wouldn't that beat all if Danzo's responsible for Karin becoming an orphan). Plus, given Kusagure's background as scholars (databook one), them getting wiped the fuck out by a surprise army while thinking no one would come mess with them wouldn't be a big shock.
Dammit, Masashi! This is why we need hard numbers!
I have a hard time buying into the possibility of Karin acting as a spy in Grass for Orchimaru by the time the Chunin Exams were running. If she could sense huge numbers of people from a distance and determine that they're coming to shed blood on her home village, making her a spy for anything would be a terrible waste of her potential, especially given that she's also an Uzumaki. Plus making a homeless a spy just strikes me as dumb for Orochimaru to consider doing, especially since he already has Kabuto.
In requiring Karin's aid to find Sasuke, I would call BS on that, as for starters, Orochimaru already knows Konoha inside and out, from every pig trail to that one back alley NO ONE goes into. More importantly, Orochimaru seems to be a sensor-type himself, so if he needed to sense out Sasuke, he really could do the job himself. And if he isn't, dude's a legendary ninja that worked under Danzo, for Pete's sake. He could find a needle in a haystack without ever touching said haystack; going after one kid that's not even hidden should be cake. Furthermore, Karin doesn't even recognize Sasuke when he saves her, so I really doubt she knew him at all before that moment. And if she has no idea who Sasuke was, then there's really no reason for her to be at the Chunin Exams unless she's legitimately there to become a Chunin.
So, yeah, I'm looking at her home village getting murderkilled shortly after the Exams, not before. Not much of a stretch, as there are a LOT of Hidden Villages out there, and we know Danzo and his forces had killed off at least a few of them (and wouldn't that beat all if Danzo's responsible for Karin becoming an orphan). Plus, given Kusagure's background as scholars (databook one), them getting wiped the fuck out by a surprise army while thinking no one would come mess with them wouldn't be a big shock.
Dammit, Masashi! This is why we need hard numbers!
Dude can take down a country, but can't take out a inexperienced teenager and a washed up old granny. How big was that country he destroyed? Did that country even have a ninja village? Did Sasori wipe out the Liechtenstein of the Elemental Nations?
...Huh, according to an anime filler arc, the nation Sasori wiped out was the small, weak Land of This. So he really did wipe out the Liechtenstein of the Elemental Nations.
...Huh, according to an anime filler arc, the nation Sasori wiped out was the small, weak Land of This. So he really did wipe out the Liechtenstein of the Elemental Nations.
Y'know, I can see it happening.
A country with just a minor hidden village, presumably making it weaker and smaller than even the least powerful of the Great Five.
Sasori's got an army of a hundred puppets, each one armed to the teeth, every weapon coated in a painful paralyctic poison, a total of 298 human puppets in his collection including the strongest Kazekage capable of wrecking all kinds of shit with his iron sand. There'd be no puppeeteers to counter his puppet jutsu, no Kage's apprentice capable of making an antidote and no sentiment to hold him back.
Edit: Would anyone change Haku's gender?
A country with just a minor hidden village, presumably making it weaker and smaller than even the least powerful of the Great Five.
Sasori's got an army of a hundred puppets, each one armed to the teeth, every weapon coated in a painful paralyctic poison, a total of 298 human puppets in his collection including the strongest Kazekage capable of wrecking all kinds of shit with his iron sand. There'd be no puppeeteers to counter his puppet jutsu, no Kage's apprentice capable of making an antidote and no sentiment to hold him back.
Edit: Would anyone change Haku's gender?
Haku's gender is not really relevant to the plot at all, beyond that one "no way she's a boy?!" joke reaction from Naruto. I don't see how changing it could possibly improve the manga in any way, unless you just think crossdressing girly men are gross.
It's not like making Haku a girl would fix the disturbing sexual undertones to the 15 year old Haku's relationship with the 26 year old Zabuza. Haku flirts with Zabuza and is utterly emotionally dependant upon and subservient to him, while Zabuza treats Haku like a disposable tool but deep down also loves him. It's really fucked up and I don't understand why they are so popular.
It's not like making Haku a girl would fix the disturbing sexual undertones to the 15 year old Haku's relationship with the 26 year old Zabuza. Haku flirts with Zabuza and is utterly emotionally dependant upon and subservient to him, while Zabuza treats Haku like a disposable tool but deep down also loves him. It's really fucked up and I don't understand why they are so popular.
Sorry I wasn't trying to insult you, I'm just baffled at the sheer number of people who apparently exist who insist Haku should have been a girl. I'm also baffled by all the people who insist Sasuke should have been a girl. Most of the time their reasoning just seems to boil down to "so Naruto can bang her" or gender essentialist stereotyping ("he acts like a girl so he should have been a girl!")
Yeah and most of it seemed to boil down to "female Sasuke would be more sympathetic (because of our cultural double standards regarding gender)" and "well okay not much would change during the actual manga, but they would totally get together and have super babies of doom in the epilogue!"
Neither of which I find to be very compelling arguments.
Neither of which I find to be very compelling arguments.
I always believed it because the Naruto-Sasuke bromance was better than most of the pairings in Naruto, period, and since people don't like the idea of yaoi, they genderswap either Naruto or Sasuke.
I like it because I find the idea of yandare/tsundere femSasuke hilarious. femNaruto would be a bit too much of a cliche Maniac Pixie Dream Girl and her relationship with Sasuke would be about as cringe worthy as Sasu/Saku.
I like it because I find the idea of yandare/tsundere femSasuke hilarious. femNaruto would be a bit too much of a cliche Maniac Pixie Dream Girl and her relationship with Sasuke would be about as cringe worthy as Sasu/Saku.
NaruxfemSasu is the only thing that works in this situation because it doesn't have the bad implications as any other NaruxSasu pairing.
I mean, it still has bad juju all over it and we would probably be complaining about it still if that was the case since Sasuke is a bitch/asshole regardless of gender. It's a painful relationship no matter how you change it.
Despite this, I definitely would've preferred if Sasuke was a chick. I mean, either way there would've been sexual undertones and shit with Naruto and Sasuke because a rival in manga is pretty much the go-to person for the gay option that fangirls love oh so much.
And really, besides actually seeing Sakura and Ino grow as characters not influenced by the Sauce and his Aloof Pretty Boy Swagâ„¢ and Naruto having a slightly different reason to chase after her, overall female Sasuke wouldn't really change much in the grand scheme of things, like you said.
Honestly, I wanna see just what Kishi would do with a female rival instead of a male one. I don't care about the whole 'Naruto will bang her' or 'Super Babies of DOOM' aspect really. This is just me showing my desire for a proper female character with good development throughout the story.
Unfortunately we never got that from Kishi because of his embarrasement with romance and weakness at writing females...
I mean, it still has bad juju all over it and we would probably be complaining about it still if that was the case since Sasuke is a bitch/asshole regardless of gender. It's a painful relationship no matter how you change it.
Despite this, I definitely would've preferred if Sasuke was a chick. I mean, either way there would've been sexual undertones and shit with Naruto and Sasuke because a rival in manga is pretty much the go-to person for the gay option that fangirls love oh so much.
And really, besides actually seeing Sakura and Ino grow as characters not influenced by the Sauce and his Aloof Pretty Boy Swagâ„¢ and Naruto having a slightly different reason to chase after her, overall female Sasuke wouldn't really change much in the grand scheme of things, like you said.
Honestly, I wanna see just what Kishi would do with a female rival instead of a male one. I don't care about the whole 'Naruto will bang her' or 'Super Babies of DOOM' aspect really. This is just me showing my desire for a proper female character with good development throughout the story.
Unfortunately we never got that from Kishi because of his embarrasement with romance and weakness at writing females...