Naruto [Naruto] Miscellaneous ideas topic.

AoMythology · Jan 31, 2017

About your answer to A: are we sure it's not an aftereffect of adrenaline? (As in, the life-or-death fight with Mizuki allowed some Kyuubi Chakra to enter his system; the panic he felt after he stabbed himself and Kakashi trolled him after being poisoned by the Demon Brothers made him heal even faster. Pretty sure it's canon, since Jiraiya took advantage of it to make him summon a toad (Gamabunta, to be exact).) Thus, if he were to become a ninja and go on dangerous missions, he would have the seal get looser.

About (part of) B: I'm pretty sure that line in the manga was referring to the 'connection' between Naruto and the soul/Chakra of Ashura. As in, he got stronger than he was supposed to because he was more in tune with Ashura, but the latter had been inside him since early on (not necessarily birth). I don't know, I might be misinterpreting things.

E: Not sure. Naruto is a Jinchuuriki, so it might not be the same for him as Gai, for example.

F: It's not about being anti-Uchiha. The things that taking a shortcut to would weaken him (in my headcanon, taking the long way around where it comes to Chakra Control exercises yields greater benefits), Jiraiya keeps him from copying. Not to mention both Kakashi and Jiraiya being more focused on his Sharingan means he might not get to find out about the memory benefit of the Shadow Clone unless he thinks it up himself. But most importantly, neither Kakashi's nor Jiraiya's teaching styles involve teaching all that many ninjutsu.

I: I keep imagining Sasuke avoiding Naruto for a bit, then teaching him the Grand Fireball. Also, trying to get him to wear the Uchiha crest and take up the name. On the other hand, betrayal by actual family (Sasuke going to Orochimaru) is almost certain to make things worse than in canon; even if it is because the guy is afraid that Itachi will kill him. (Add the fact that Itachi WAS going after Naruto, even in canon and - well, shit.)

J, B: Even if you don't subscribe to the 'potency of affinity' theory, you have to admit that certain people have an easier time using a nature than others, and some non-affinity elements are easier than others. Sasuke learned the Chidori a bit too quickly, and made an S-rank technique rather quickly; he also could use the Chidori a lot more than Kakashi in part 2, though the latter did catch up later on (which is why I completely agree that his affinity was Lightning, even if it's extra-canon, not manga-canon). Also, Sasuke's and Asuma's Fire jutsu are pretty good, even if it's due to their clans' genetic potential or s/th like that.

So, Naruto still won't be as good at Yin Release as he is at Yang Release, especially if having the YANG part of Kurama inside him makes a difference. (BTW, is it possible to have a non-elemental affinity? Eg. Kurenai possibly being a Yin Release type without an element, Naruto having both Wind and Yang Release, Sakura and Karin having Yin and Yang Release etc.)

As for the Clone jutsu, I suspect the reason he couldn't get it was the opposite reason to why he had a bit of a hard time with the second stage of the Rasengan. (As in, his Chakra is naturally dense, thus he isn't well-suited to ninjutsu without substance. So, he could learn the simple clone after the Rasengan shows him how to alter the density.) Well, take it as you will, since it's just my headcanon.

There have been Senju who are great at genjutsu mainly (like Touka from Hashirama's era) and Uzumaki with a Yin Release skill but not Yang (Kushina). Not to mention Itachi being the best at genjutsu but still being perfectly capable of Yang Release, according to the Databooks. What I'm saying is that Naruto, while at least decent at both, is still much better at Yang Release than Yin Release, like in canon. (Yes, Minato was Madara's son or grandson in this continuity. He had blue eyes, though, which meant he couldn't awaken the Sharingan. It's a bit of a tossup, especially with this bloodline.)

nixofcyzerra · Jan 31, 2017

AoMythology said:

Sure, it's possible. I could see life-or-death situations where Naruto's adrenaline is pumping and chakra is flowing faster through his circulatory system temporarily increasing the small amount of Kurama's chakra entering it through the seal. You could even argue that Naruto getting angry and feeling hatred increases the resonance between his and Kurama's will, allowing more of the red chakra to enter Naruto's coils. But only once Naruto's old enough. Orochimaru flat-out states (though the image I linked isn't the best translation) that, 12 years after the sealing, Naruto's and Kurama's chakra are beginning to interact. Maybe you could argue that Naruto being angrier/more hateful, or being in more life-or-death situations might accelerate the process, but Naruto tells Gaara that he used to be like him and hate everyone (without Naruto developing Jinchuuriki powers like Gaara,) and there's no indication in canon that deadly situations would accelerate the process.

Also, Naruto tapping into Kurama's chakra like he did against Haku, Neji and Gaara in Part 1 didn't weaken the seal at all. While the anime states that the 8 trigrams seal is specifically designed to allow a tailed beast to aid its jinchuuriki by providing chakra in exchange for the seal gradually weakening, that's anime-exclusive.

In the manga, the only reason that Naruto has problems handling Kurama's chakra in Part 2 is because Jiraiya, against Gerotora's advice, used the key to the seal to weaken it and allow Naruto access to more of Kurama's chakra, and Naruto couldn't handle that much Hatred/Will-infused chakra. The only reason Naruto has problems being overwhelmed by Kurama while fighting Orochimaru and Pain in the manga is because the seal was messed with (and the only way it could be strengthened was if it was closed entirely, cutting Naruto off from Kurama's chakra completely.) If it hadn't been, Naruto would have been able to access a 2-tailed Version 1 form while not succumbing to Kurama's will (as he could before Jiraiya decided to mess around,) and probably could have learnt to use more tails in that form (as long as his emotional control continued to improve,) seeing as Bee once used a 7-tailed Version 1 form.

The point I'm making is that Naruto having any access to Kurama's chakra before his 12th birthday without someone messing with the 8 Trigrams seal first is unsupported by canon. So bad Naruto fanfic cliche of Naruto being a six year-old perfect Jinchuriki who's constantly chatting with Kurama goes against the canon seal mechanics.

Nah, see, remember this?

That was Indra.

Shortly after Sasuke decided to attack the Kage summit and kill all the Kage's (i.e, destroy the old Shinobi system and create a peace through power, ala Indra's philosophy,) Karin starts noticing that Sasuke's chakra has changed, and Naruto recognises that, even though he defeated Pain, he would have lost had he and Sasuke continued their fight at the Samurai bridge. That's because Sasuke at this point has become Indra's transmigrant, but Naruto, still trying to figure out how his ideal way to find peace, hasn't yet become Ashura's.

So is B, who also trained at the Falls of Truth. I don't really get what you're saying here. Are you saying you think all the Jinchuriki had "Inner Hollow-esque" personifications of their suppressed emotions? Or that you'd want to include that in your fic? I'd assume that, prior to the 4th Shinobi World War, only Kumo's Jinchuriki would have had the opportunity to train on Turtle Island, so if that were true, would the other Hidden Villages like Rock or Waterfall have similar places with special properties?

It's true that practising a technique repeatedly will "build up experience, increasing one's spiritual energy," so I could see Jiraiya telling Naruto to continue practising a jutsu even after copying it with his Sharingan, but I also can't see him forbidding Naruto from using the Sharingan to memorise hand seals and see how a certain quantity of chakra is moulded, and then changed in shape and nature to form a jutsu. All it would do is give Naruto a better explanation of the jutsu in question's mechanics, in a similar way to how the Byakugan would (minus the memorisation.)

Kakashi, being a genius, might still come up with the Shadow Clone training method if he decides that Naruto needs to learn Nature Transformation (something that normally takes a couple of years to learn) fast, seeing as the Sharingan doesn't allow you to copy Shape or Nature Transformation; only see what the process looks like. Even with the Sharingan, Naruto would still have to learn how to convert his chakra to Wind Nature (without assisstance from the use of an element-conversion seal like Tiger is for Fire Release,) and then learn to produce large amounts of it.

Also, basic chakra control consists of two aspects: only moulding the minimum amount of chakra required for a jutsu (and therefore not wasting any by producing excess,) and ensuring that all of the moulded chakra is placed into the Jutsu (meaning that the Jutsu is as powerful as possible.) I don't see how practising a chakra control exercise like tree walking for longer would have any benefits at all. I mean, once you've learned that you only need a steady flow of "X" amount of chakra to adhere to a tree, and you've gotten the hang of only producing "X" chakra and expelling it from your feet, you've learnt it.

I mean, technically you could argue that practising it for longer would increase your stamina, and (if moulding chakra works on a fraction/percentage of your maximum stamina) that would actually hinder your chakra control, as you'd have to recalculate how much of your stamina to mould into chakra ("Oh, I have more stamina, so now I need to mould 4% of it into chakra instead of 5%".)

I guess repeatedly practising the tree walking exercise could help with the "put all of the moulded chakra into the technique" aspect (which would necessitate Naruto moulding less and less chakra for the exercise as his efficiency improves,) but again, I don't see why Jiraiya would be against Naruto using the Sharingan to be able to see how much chakra he should be emitting out of his feet. All it means is that he doesn't have to mess around as long with figuring out what his output should be through trial-and-error, allowing him to actually move on to the benefits of the exercise faster.

Sasuke's pride in his family is always kind of tricky to read. He never showed any kind of "I am an Uchiha, so you must pander to me" attitude in Part 1, though I think he did definitely want to honour his clan by excelling, and the only time he talks about "Uchiha superiority" in Part 2 is when Orochimaru fails to possess him ("Before us, even the greatest genius in the universe barely comes off as average,") but that was him smack-talking Orochimaru. I could see him wanting to improve Naruto's weakest areas (and maybe teach him the Grand Fireball, though as that was supposed to be a rite of passage within the Uchiha Clan, I imagine he wouldn't do it straight away.)

I'm not sure about Sasuke wanting Naruto to take the Uchiha name, though. After all, that Uchiwa fan would essentially be a target for Itachi. I'd think Sasuke would want to keep Naruto's heritage a secret until he'd killed Itachi.

Naruto would probably take Sasuke's betrayal even harder than in canon, but it depends on how the fight at the VotE goes (if you even have it happen.) If Naruto knows that part of the reason Sasuke wanted to get stronger to kill Itachi was to protect him, I could see him being pissed, but also training even harder than in canon, wanting to prove to Sasuke that Konoha wouldn't have held him back.

During the month between the preliminaries and the finals, Sasuke learnt to transform his chakra into lightning-natured chakra, and learnt to generate enough of it to mould the lightning chakra needed for a Chidori (and then used Hand Seals to shape the lightning chakra into the form of the Chidori.) I don't know how much that is, but I doubt it's as much as the equivalent amount of wind-natured chakra needed to cut a waterfall in half. Kakashi took advantage of the Shadow Clone training method to have Naruto completely master one form of Nature Transformation, because the "complete" Rasengan (i.e, the Rasenshuriken) is a combination of the highest level Shape Transformation and the highest level of one of the Nature Transformations.

What I mean is, if after the chuunin exams Sasuke had learnt the Rasengan along-side Naruto, I don't think he would've been able to to create a Lightning Rasenshuriken variant, as his Lightning Transformation was good enough for the Chidori, but not the Raiton: Rasen-whatever. Sasuke probably didn't completely master Lightning Transformation until after the time-skip (and could use more Chidori, and/or its variants, than Kakashi at that point because Kakashi's stamina is his weakest point.)

And Sasuke had, like, two years to come up with the idea for the Kirin. He was going to use it on Team 7 when they invaded Orochimaru's hide-out.

Naruto had a hard time with the second stage of the Rasengan because Shape Transformation is a highly advanced form of chakra control/manipulation, and he'd never had to increase the density of the chakra he was outputting before, especially not to a level that most Jounin aren't capable of. The Rasengan is the highest level of Shape Transformation. Despite being an Elite Jounin, I imagine that Asuma (or even Kisame, who's a stamina/chakra beast but not a Ninjutsu specialist) might have trouble learning the Rasengan, and would need to touch up their Shape Transformation a bit first.

I suppose it's possible that Naruto's chakra is too "dense" to learn an insubstantial technique like the Bunshin (before learning how to alter his chakra's density,) but I've never heard it stated that Naruto's chakra is naturally dense. Where'd you read or hear that?

I'm not saying that having strong physical energy and Yang chakra makes you suck at Yin Release, I'm saying it makes it harder to learn early on. We known from the saying about Heaven and Earth in the Chuunin exams that some young Shinobi have more physical energy than spiritual, or vice-versa, and that's it's expected of Chuunin to put work in to balancing themselves out (by training their body or mind, or practising their jutsu over and over again to build up their spiritual energy.) We also know that in order to learn Senjutsu, you have to first be capable of moulding a huge amount of chakra that's an even 50-50 split.

So a Senju or Uzumaki would have plenty more physical energy than spiritual at first, and would need to work harder than others on balancing it out before working on Yin Release techniques. Uchiha would probably need to spend more time exercising their bodies to balance out their chakra before learning Yang Release techniques (whatever they are.) Touka and Kushina probably had to work very hard to balance out their chakra before learning Yin Release.

A Naruto who has both the Senju strong physical energy and Uchiha strong spiritual energy would therefore have aptitude for both Yin and Yang Release. Not that it really matters, as before canon Naruto gets the Six Paths power, the only time he might have used Yin or Yang-predominant chakra was when he was trying to get the 8:2 ratio of the Tailed Beast Ball. Canon Naruto might have sucked at Yin Release Ninjutsu like the Yamanaka techniques, but it doesn't matter when he would never get the opportunity to learn clan-exclusive jutsu anyway.

I guess if you plan on making him learn Jiraiya's hair animation or barrier techniques, you might need to figure out whether they're Yin or Yang Release, but otherwise it doesn't really matter.

AoMythology · Jan 31, 2017

It HAS been stated in canon, that life-or-death situations make it more likely for the Kyuubi's Chakra to surface. So, yes, it's possible that IF fanon nonsense about assassination attempts and 'beatings' and such had been true, the seal would respond accordingly. I'm not saying he would be able to actually CONTACT the Kyuubi without being both 12 and aware of being a Jinchuuriki, though.

Yes, I might include such a thing if I write such a fic, I'm not saying it's canon. In lieu of the Kyuubi giving his Chakra and the struggle that comes of keeping his mind, I might make Dark Naruto his inner antagonist. I don't want to make things easy for him. As for a place like Turtle Island, the Uzumaki Mask Temple might have had something like that; it was built for Mito, IIRC.

As I said, I don't want to make things too easy for this Naruto. Thus, I'll invent a reason why he shouldn't use his Sharingan in certain types of training (that, and Jiraiya in canon seems to believe in a ninja using their mind to figure out a jutsu rather than being spoon-fed the answer, so that said mind is sharpened. He's not anti-Uchiha so much as a particular type of mentor).

A way that I thought of for Naruto to speed up his training further, though is for him to use his Sharingan, as a Shadow Clone, AFTER making a breakthrough (otherwise, if he used it constantly, the mental strain would be horrible) while doing the Kage Bunshin super-training. He'll be able to see what the element-charged Chakra or the jutsu he's learning looks like, then dispel.

He will find out that Itachi is after Naruto soon enough (preferably sooner than canon). If Itachi knows (so Sasuke thinks, he doesn't know about the Kyuubi), then there's no point in hiding it. As for the Grand Fireball, I suspect that before he leaves Konoha, he will teach it to Naruto, a full-fledged member of the clan (as in, one with the Grand Fireball) to a rookie member / 'younger' cousin.

My guess is that he did the Lightning equivalent of cutting a leaf, then proceeded straight on to learning the Chidori, without a waterfall-equivalent. Still, I insist: one month for the leaf exercise (without Shadow Clones), plus increasing his speed (using Chakra or otherwise), all the while having to suppress the Cursed Seal of Heaven, and without having Naruto's huge reserves of Chakra and recovery speed to permit practicing beyond the average Jounin's limits is too quick even for a prodigy; not for an element other than a primary one.

Naruto took days to manage the leaf, with hundreds of Shadow Clones.
About the density of Naruto's Chakra being naturally high: I did say it's my headcanon, didn't I?

Finally, most of the Yamanaka techniques are not exclusive to their clan; remember that blind guy, Tonbo, using an interrogation technique of the Yamanaka? And what I'm saying about one's natures is that they also depend on the individual (genetic luck of the draw). Touka could very well have been more talented at Yin Release than Yang Release, regardless of clan. Asuma had a Wind affinity, Sarutobi or not. Sasuke possibly had a Lightning affinity, not Fire.

nixofcyzerra · Jan 31, 2017

AoMythology said:

I realise that in chapter 94, Jiraiya theorises that heightened emotion or personal danger is the key to releasing Kurama's chakra (as in more than the amount that was already constantly entering Naruto's pathways,) but there's no indication that was true when Naruto was younger. I just showed you a page where Orochimaru states that after 12 years, Kurama's chakra has come into contact with Naruto's, heavily implying that this is a recent event. I concur that life-or-death situations make it more likely for Kurama's chakra to surface, but you seem to be theorising that it could happen before Naruto reaches graduation age, which Orochimaru's statement seems to contradict. We never see Naruto tap into Kurama's chakra or even display faster healing while at the academy,

Hmm. I actually like the idea of there being a mask that has the same effect as the Falls of Truth.

I get that you don't want to make things too easy for Naruto, but as I pointed out above, the Sharingan's copying ability is way less useful than fanon would have you believe, and it just seems off to me that Jiraiya wouldn't be willing to let Naruto have his Sharingan active while watching someone perform a relatively basic chakra-control exercise like water-walking. I mean, he wants Naruto to be as strong as possible, seeing as there's a group of S-class missing ninja targeting him.

It's true that Jiraiya's philosophy is that a true Shinobi is defined by their ability to endure, and not by the number of techniques one acquires, but if Naruto's Sharingan makes training a little easier for him, then why wouldn't he just intensify the training? If, during the time-skip, Naruto's Sharingan allows him to predict Jiraiya's Taijutsu and enhances his reaction time, then instead of requesting Naruto turn it off, why wouldn't he just hold back less, and give Naruto the same lesson that Sasuke received at Lee's hands?

Actually, if you really want to ensure that Naruto doesn't have an easy time of it, one thing you could incorporate is Kurama's added hostility motivating him to screw up Naruto's chakra control whenever he feels like it. Remember the Five Elements Seal that Orochimaru placed on Naruto in the Forest of Death? Because a odd-numbered seal creates an imbalance when placed on top of an even-numbered seal, Naruto was cut off from Kurama's chakra, and because he'd adjusted to it being within his pathways over the last few months, its absence completely screwed up Naruto's chakra control.

So what if Kurama occasionally reduces or adjusts the amount of chakra that's entering Naruto's chakra pathways to intentionally screw over his chakra control? You could even have it that Kurama is so enraged at the idea of being imprisoned within someone with "those eyes," that he decides to refuse to give Naruto any chakra when not facing someone who wants to extract him. After all, as a chakra beast, if Naruto dies without any extraction process happening, Kurama would eventually re-constitute himself, and even if he wanted protection from "the Masked Man," he could have just found a good hiding place. It seems to me that Kurama's morals were what stopped him from letting Naruto die when it was a viable option that could even have been in his best interests. He did seem pretty amused when Naruto demanded rent.

Fair enough. Then I guess it would come down as to how badly Naruto wants to protect his family legacy. The idea of Naruto having two family names is a western concept that wouldn't happen in canon, so he'd have to pick one. Maybe keep Uzumaki, but agree that any kids he has that have the Sharingan will be Uchiha, while those that don't will be Uzumaki?

I'm pretty sure that Naruto cut the leaf in less than a day. Asuma was still in Konoha to give Naruto advice. Of course, with shadow clones that's still a few hundred hours, or a whole month of 16+ hours work days.

Of course, Shadow Clone training isn't cumulative in that way. Naruto having several hundred clones working on converting his chakra basically meant that instead of having, say, a 1 in 500 chance of Naruto figuring out the method, he had a 500 in 500 chance. Check out my theory on how the memory aspect of the Shadow Clone actually works, and why the training method isn't as obscenely hax as some people think.

Still, the Evil Sealing Method meant that Sasuke didn't have to devote too much energy to suppressing the curse seal, and he could just use the Sharingan to memorise the Chidori's hand seals and Lee's Taijutsu, so all he really had to do for the month was work on his speed (and Sasuke is naturally very fast, equalling Haku's speed with far less experience and instruction) and the first step of his Lightning transformation. Then just take a day or two at the end to practise everything. Also, he is a genius. Him finding something two or three times easier to learn than Naruto isn't too preposterous (though of course it does turn out that Naruto is absurdly talented and a prodigy at altering the composition of his chakra to match it to another person's specific type.)

Fair enough, but every character who's been shown to use Psycho Mind Transmission is a member of the Konoha Torture and Interrogation Force, which Inoichi is/was the head of. I guess that if you work under the head of a clan with Hijutsu and impress them and prove your loyalty, they might teach you a jutsu that will make you better at your job.

I'm pretty sure that there's a difference between one's elemental affinity and Ying/Yang stuff. Having strong Yin or Yang is basically another way of saying strong spiritual or physical energy. It's possible that an energetic, physically robust child could be born to two sickly, frail parents (or vice-versa,) but it's not especially likely. It's not especially common for two short people to have a child who's very tall. It happens, but it's not a particularly common occurrence.

Elemental natures are slightly different. Children can apparently have affinities that are different from their parents, but, again, it's not a common occurrence. The different countries of the Elemental Nations are named for their population's most common affinity. Most people in Water Country who train as Shinobi find that they have a water affinity. Most Konoha Shinobi have an affinity for fire. On top of that, the Uchiha Clan were especially known for their Fire Release and fire affinity. Taking all that into account, Sasuke having a lightning affinity is pretty unlikely.

Also, keep in mind Kakashi didn't teach Sasuke the Chidori because he had a lightning affinity. He taught him it because he needed a piercing technique to penetrate Gaara's sand. If Gaara hadn't had an "ultimate defence," or if he had some sort of other gimmick like a sand version of Suigetsu's hydrification technique, Kakashi probably would have taught Sasuke something else.

As to why Sasuke continued to develop his Lightning Transformation and derive Jutsu from the Chidori, well, keep in mind that he was training to fight Itachi, someone who was really good at Fire Release. Focusing just on things that Itachi was already really really good at wouldn't have been a very clever strategy.

AoMythology · Feb 1, 2017

I think that the output of the Chakra being variable IS one of the reasons Naruto had such a hard time with Chakra Control; I don't remember where, but somewhere in the manga, it was stated that Kurama's Chakra entered Naruto's system in random bursts.

Either way, I don't think that Kurama would give more Chakra than the minimum the seal is demanding, even to screw with Naruto. (If it had been Madara himself, then maybe Kurama would be too vengeful to think things through. Canon Kurama, though, is a rather collected creature; even when he gets angry, he doesn't make mistakes - so, it strikes me as unlikely that he would suddenly increase the Chakra output, which might be used against him.)

And yes, I already stated it before, that Kurama will refuse to hand over any Chakra, even in life-or-death situations, except with the Akatsuki.

Let's not forget Pain's interrogation jutsu. Canonically (in the Databooks), Yamanaka techniques are never referred to as 'Hiden', as well.

Or maybe Sasuke marries Karin, and the two clans merge into one. :snigger: But yes, he'll be an Uzumaki and the Sharingan will most likely be the deciding factor in any children.

On the matter of Sasuke's affinity: keep in mind that the only element Sarada uses is Lightning, and that Sakura doesn't have any skill with the Lightning nature in the Databooks.

Finally, about the Shadow Clone memory: the Sharingan has perfect visual recall (edit: or is that fanon?), so it might be able to counteract the drawbacks of the Shadow Clone jutsu.

BTW, I've changed my mind about Naruto's Genjutsu talent: he has a foxy cunning; with a bit of attention to detail and the ability to make his Chakra unbalanced in favor of the spiritual part without problems, he should be able to reach near-Itachi levels of skill. IF he improves his Chakra Control enough; so probably in Sage Mode.

Knyght · Feb 1, 2017

Time to contribute with scenes related to the presence of Kurama's chakra inside Naruto!

If there are other scenes related to that, I can't find them.

Sasuke actually did in two weeks; he was unconscious in hospital for the first two weeks because of the Evil Sealing Method.

This sounds a lot better than Jiraiya forcing Naruto not to use his Sharingan for training, imo. :sisi:

Naruto mastered nature transformation in two days says DB3. The first stage took a few hours, the second stage was completed the next day. The rest of the time (at least six days) was spent on the Rasenshuriken.

AoMythology · Feb 1, 2017

The thing with Orochimaru that nixofcyzerra quoted before must have been a mistranslation; so yes, Naruto's and Kurama's Chakra have been mixing for all his life, and the bursts of Chakra he always got are the main reason for his bad Chakra Control.

As for the Five Elements Seal: so it doesn't prevent Kurama's Chakra from mixing, it just makes things much more unstable. BTW, do you guys think he could use it, or another odd-numbered seal, to train his Chakra Control? As in, he learns how to keep his Chakra stable in difficult conditions; thus, he isn't as affected by the Kyuubi's Chakra entering his system normally (has learned how to compensate for it).

nixofcyzerra · Feb 1, 2017

The better translation knight just posted says pretty much the same thing. Naruto's and Kurama's chakra only came into contact around the start of the manga.

And Nagato's interrogation technique was the Human Path ability.

I forgot what BS that is. I mean, I get that a Shinobi can improve their speed by focusing their internal chakra flow to their feet, but you have to be able to condition your body to be able to handle it (as otherwise Naruto would have been as strong and fast as some Jounin at the start of the manga.) How the hell did Sasuke get his body able to handle the stress in 2 weeks?

Maybe the Uchiha Clan member's bodies essentially mutated over time to be better able to handle chakra enhancement?

AoMythology · Feb 1, 2017

Still, Yamanaka techniques are generally not hijutsu.

Yorae Rasante · Feb 1, 2017

Ok, I'll admit I didn't read most of what was mentioned, but... Do you want to make things harder for Sharingan!Naruto?
Make the opponents expect more from him.

Zabuza was tricked by Team7, saw he underestimated them, so next time he made Haku fight them while he fought Kakashi.
I'll come from the assumption that it is while fighting Haku that Naruto awakens his Sharingan, and that since it is new it is not able to become Mangekyo just from believing Sasuke died to save his life.
Next hard opponent is Orochimaru. He did not even know Naruto was a jinchuuriki, but as soon as he finds out he does his best to knock him out... but what if he saw his sharingan? No, I doubt he would say "oh, this guy with a tailed beast in his belly would be a good alternative to Sasuke despite I'd probably interfere with his seal and have to fight the Kyuubi if I took over his body, better give him a cursed seal too, yuck yuck, nothing could go wrong with this," but he will now expect more from him. Instead of just sealing him and leaving him aside to be killed in the invasion, he could expect a serious threat to his plans from him and give him his own opponent.
Next is Neji. Neji in canon saw Naruto as a waste of his time. Here, he would see either potential unused, or someone like Hinata, a waste of potential of his bloodline, but with a different dojutsu. Either way, he will expect more from him from the start, even if not much, meaning it would be harder to trick him.
Next, Gaara, Shukaku would warn him about Naruto. Harder battle right there.
Kabuto would not play around so much with Naruto in the Tsunade Rescue battle either.
And Kimimaru would not just dismiss Naruto as trash.
And it goes on. Not that things get any harder, but people have expectations of him now, and thus are less likely to hold back and be caught off-guard.

AoMythology · Feb 1, 2017

I already planned to make his opponents less complacent and likely to underestimate him (some are also more competent overall, like in the snippet below). Here's Mizuki nearly killing (inactive) Sharingan-Naruto:

AoM's Sharingan-Naruto said:

“Yosh!” Naruto said to himself, “let’s get started!” And unrolled the Forbidden Scroll of Seals carefully, noting that it looked rather strange; a bit too clear, really, like he had put on glasses for near-sightedness or maybe asti-whatever. 'Can’t be,' he reasoned, 'my eyesight is twenty-twenty, maybe better.' So he just chalked it up to the Scroll being special, and proceeded.

He looked at the first jutsu on the scroll, called the Shadow Clone. Seeing that it was B-ranked, he skipped to the next one… which was a bigger version of the same, the Mass Shadow Clone. Clone Great Explosion; needs the Shadow Clone, and A-ranked.

Object Shadow Clone, Shuriken Shadow Clone… Karyuu Endan (Fire Dragon Flare Bullet); B-ranked, and needs months or years of training in Fire Release; Gouka Mekkyaku (Great Fire Annihilation) and Gouka Messhitsu (Great Fire Destruction), the same. Kokuangyo no jutsu (Bringer of Darkness technique); an A-ranked genjutsu. Kuchiyose: Rashomon; a defensive jutsu -enough said- and B-rank too; the Eight Gates: the Scroll said it would take months to unlock those Chakra points in the way shown. Tips on using Katon and Fuuton for Intermediate and Advanced Users, by Uchiha Madara; nice, but not what Naruto was looking for.

A Treatise on Tridimensional Sealing and Seals based on N-dimensional Coordinate Systems, by Senju Mito; Edo Tensei: brings back the dead by sacrificing living people….

Naruto looked at the scroll, then at the sky, then back again. He lifted his hands, and shouted, “what the FUCK is this SHIT!”

The young boy lied down on the dirt, frustrated. There was nothing he could use in the stupid scroll; it was supposed to have jutsu a Genin could learn, but he found nothing below
B-rank; as in Jounin-level. Some of the contents were horribly complicated, too, or just plain HORRIBLE; like the B-rank and A-rank techniques weren’t enough! Was Mizuki-sensei playing a mean trick on him? Or was it something more serious?

Still, Naruto decided to start over; he lifted the Scroll again and looked at the Shadow Clone, this time willing to risk his life to learn it-

Someone landed on the clearing. Naruto tensed, expecting Mizuki and being suspicious of the man.

-----

Kurama opened his eyes. That was a surprise, and definitely not a pleasant one. As soon as he allowed his Chakra to mix with his container’s more actively than before, the boy awakened the last bloodline he expected his host to have. 'And I was glad for a second that I had a container who actually is willing to do what he needs to to get stronger. Of course he's like that; he's a member of that clan....'

Still, the situation wasn’t completely unsalvageable. While he didn’t have the influence on the brat’s system needed to permanently seal away his Sharingan, and even if he got more influence, it would be too late to manage anything… well, Kurama could stop those accursed eyes from working for the time being, and the brat would need to get them again, the hard way. Hopefully, by the time the Sharingan had the chance to awaken anew, his current container would have gotten himself killed.

-----

Mizuki landed inside the clearing the idiot fox boy was supposed to be in. 'Thank the gods', he thought, 'for a moment, I thought he would be stupid or lucky enough to get lost, and delay my plans.'

“There you are, Naruto,” Mizuki said, pretending at joviality. ‘I’m really looking forward to the damned monster’s look of despair,’ he thought.

The little monster greeted Mizuki warily, making him think, ‘so the little shit isn’t as stupid as it pretends to be. Yet another point to my belief he is the actual fox.’ Out loud, the man said, “so, you did realize the other point of the test was about not trying any of the fake jutsu? I don’t see you out with Chakra exhaustion, after all.”

The monster was hiding behind the Scroll, nearly making Mizuki scoff. It threw the Scroll at Mizuki, which the man’s arms reflexively tried to catch, only for his feet to launch him away and down with an accompanying burst of Chakra, something that saved him from the two explosive tags attached to the Kunai Naruto threw.

“Nice- nice False Surroundings genjutsu, fox,” an only somewhat injured Mizuki said, “it’s too bad for you that your Control sucks in this form, otherwise, I wouldn’t have been any the wiser; your attention to detail is, indeed, worthy of a Youko (Demon Fox).”

“I can’t understand; how come I fell for your act? Well, I was going to ask you why you are doing this, but it’s obvious you’re just a crazy bastard, Mizuki-sensei- I mean, Mizuki,” the monster in human form said cheekily, “so why wouldn’t you try to get your hands on a Scroll with high-level kinjutsu…?”

Mizuki sneered at the brat that had the audacity to call him a crazy bastard; he, the Demon Fox itself! He said, “You were desperate to become a ninja, to manage your plans of revenge, obviously. Heh, but what are you going to do now, fox?” Twirling a Fuuma shuriken, “I’m not going to fall for another genjutsu, and even injured as I am, you are no match for me currently-”

Before Mizuki had even started saying the final word, he threw the shuriken he was holding, then threw another behind it in the ‘shadow shuriken’ maneuver, hiding it in the shadow of the first one.

The brat managed to avoid the first fuuma shuriken; barely. The second one neared it while completely off-balance, set to behead the filthy creature. Before it had a chance to panic, though, the weapon was deflected with ease. The fox said something about an old man- oh shit.

“Hokage-sama!” Mizuki said, “I was about to apprehend the- brat, but he tried to kill me. My apologies for using lethal force-”

The killing intent coming from that short frame was nothing short of paralyzing. Mizuki had been a Chuunin for years, and even had the Chakra reserves of a Jounin. All of that, though, paled before the older-looking monster in human form. ‘Is that what the power of an S-rank ninja feels like? What a monster….’

“No, Mizuki,” the Sandaime said, “this is what the power of my Shadow Clone feels like; the real Sarutobi Hiruzen is elsewhere,” all the while tying him up with Chakra-resistant wire.

“Hokage-sama and I heard everything, Mizuki. Why? Why would you betray the village?” Iruka, who had also shown up but barely registered in Mizuki’s perception due to the sheer overwhelming presence of the fucking old monster.

Mizuki sneered in disgust. He just about had it with the self-righteous bastard. He said, “are you serious, Iruka? Do you really believe all that crap you often spout about the ‘Will of Fire’? My uncle -Hatake Sakumo- was driven to suicide, and even Kakashi was being persecuted; for what? For Uncle following the philosophy of this backstabbing village?

>>For being the son of a shinobi who served the village faithfully for three decades? We were both left with no family at nine and eight for idiotic reasons -my mother was on her last legs then already-, but that little shit Kakashi was still more loyal than the damned Hokage! Then, when I followed the REAL philosophy of this hellhole, I was barred from promotion; ha! What hypocrisy. I could have been a Tokubetsu Jounin, or even a full-fledged one by now!

>>But the cherry on top was the survival of this creature. Minato-sama was the only one I looked up to, and-”

Mizuki barely managed to realize he had been struck on the head. He didn’t even see it coming, everything simply went dark.

Was Naruto too out of character? As I said, this is a smarter Naruto, but he's supposed to still be impulsive and prone to clumsy mistakes (he might be truly smart, but MUCH LATER). And yes, had the Sandaime not intervened, that Fuuma shuriken would have beheaded Naruto.

Also, he's not going to recall any high level offensive jutsu before the timeskip. (I wanted to give him Madara's Fire techniques and the Shadow Clone thingies, that's why. The rest is fluff.) I initially intended not to make things easier for him in any way, but then I thought: he has the Sharingan, which gives all those nifty abilities. He should get something out of the copying function other than the usual kind of copying. (And no, he won't learn high level jutsu with the ease most fanfic authors show him having.)

I made genjutsu be ruined in a subtle way by his Chakra Control (possibly because he's too talented in that branch to be ruined completely), so someone who's highly susceptible to genjutsu might take a bit of time to notice. On the other hand, harder ninjutsu will be ruined in a more direct way, so no B-rank Katon for him until well into part 2.

Fret not, he's going to struggle anyway; don't forget that he'll only be able to use the Shadow Clone AFTER he activates the Sharingan again, thus later than canon. I didn't manage to truly eliminate clichés, I can tell, but tell me exactly how well or badly I did.

Altered Nova · Feb 1, 2017

knight504 said:

My interpretation of these pages: The Fourth Hokage designed the seal so that a little bit of Kurama's chakra constantly leaked out into Naruto's body, where it is suppressed by and merged into his own chakra. This is why Naruto has a healing factor and unnaturally high stamina and endurance. However, he couldn't actively draw out more of Kurama's chakra until he was twelve, because his body was too small to contain it and normally suppressed it to avoid strain, and because Kurama just didn't like him.

This changed during that twelve year however; as Orochimaru put it, "The Demon Fox and Naruto's chakra and psyche had gone from enmity and opposition to coexistence, and were on the very brink of symbiosis!" In other words, Kurama no longer hated Naruto and was willingly lending him chakra, and Naruto's body had grown enough to accept it.

So the hypothetical six-year old Naruto would still have his regeneration and insane chakra reserves and stamina (though obviously not to the same extent as pre-teen Naruto), because the leaking chakra was built into the seal itself. But he isn't going to be drawing out large amounts of Kurama's chakra; both because his body was too small to handle it, and because Kurama wasn't be willing to give it to him yet. (My headcanon is that it was Naruto's actions during the Mizuki event tipped the scales and changed Kurama's opinion of him from hatred to grudging tolerance. Naruto earned Kurama's respect.)

Knyght · Feb 1, 2017

Isn't it just that Naruto's rage over Sasuke's "death" triggered a response in the fox's chakra, cracking the seal slightly so that it could start bleeding through properly? This was just the first time that Naruto had gotten that angry at a point where his body was able to handle that much chakra coming through. After that, whenever he gets angry enough, the chakra usually just starts coming through in response and makes him stronger (like smacking down a bigass snake strong).

@AoMythology: So Kurama decided to give Naruto an apparently unnoticeable portion of chakra out of nowhere which awoke the Sharingan so he then pulled his chakra back which caused it to go dormant again? That confused me, tbh. And just teasing it instead of Naruto straight up awakening the Sharingan and keeping from the beginning of the story (wherever that starting point may be) wouldn't interest me as a reader. If I decide to read a story about Sharingan!Naruto - though I admittedly don't find the concept itself all that interesting if it's not a transplant - I'd want him to either awaken it in the opening chapter and have already awoken it and be using it.

Also that Scroll of Seals has way too many random jutsu inside. It's not the point of the snippet but the only ones mentioned that actually sound like they belong in there are the Multiple Shadow Clone Jutsu, Impure World Reincarnation and the Eight Gates which just bugged me.

Altered Nova · Feb 1, 2017

@knight504 - I've always chosen to believe that the first time Naruto ever actively drew out a large amount of Kurama's chakra was when he fought against Mizuki. The manga doesn't explicitly say it, and yes it does treat the fight against Haku as if it were the first time the seal opened up a bit... but there is just no way in hell that Naruto had enough chakra to summon a thousand shadow clones without Kurama's help. Especially considering he'd just spent half a day training until the point of exhaustion to learn that very jutsu.

Also I do believe that Kurama has to be willing to cooperate for Naruto to get any significant amount of chakra from the seal regardless of how angry he is. Otherwise, what was the point of Orochimaru specifically noting that Kurama's "psyche" had changed from "enmity and opposition" to "coexistence"? Or the scene where Naruto demands "rent" from Kurama? I think those are clear indicators that Kurama's cooperation is a requirement for Naruto draw out his chakra (unless of course Naruto does the tug-of-war thing and forcibly separates Kurama's chakra from his will and takes it for himself).

AoMythology · Feb 1, 2017

That's where my muse took me: to Naruto not awakening the Sharingan on his own at first, just long enough to learn a few jutsu to have in reserve for either later, or much later. (Edit the Nth: oh, it's not due to Kurama's Chakra being drawn away. Kurama deliberately manipulated his Chakra in Naruto's system (brain, to be exact, or maybe mindscape) to put in place a mental block similar to the one Sasuke placed on himself when he was 7-8 years old. Of course, there have been consequences for the poor fox, and it's a loophole in the seal that won't work again. :evil2

a)It's the "Forbidden Scroll of Seals", so high level Sealing stuff is more likely to be inside, and this '3D sealing' I referred to IS restricted in my fic (I did slip in a less than subtle joke about Mito being a nerd and Naruto being a bit stupid on purpose

) and b)they are not random; they are contributions from the founding and earliest clans' leaders. You've got stuff from Tobirama, Hashirama, Madara, Mito and Sarutobi Sasuke (for the sake of this story, the Sarutobi clan joined at around the time the Scroll was first written into; canon did imply they were among the first to join Konohagakure. Also, Karyuu Endan was invented by Hiruzen's dad here, obviously).

Also, I can see Madara's and Hiruzen's Katon being declared kinjutsu; remember, it (usually) means their teaching is restricted, not them being completely banned. Those jutsu are district and forest destroyers; and just because a jutsu hasn't been openly declared a kinjutsu doesn't necessarily mean it isn't one. I can see most of what Madara uses being considered kinjutsu.

As for the Shadow Clone variants:
'Object Kage Bunshin' (not a canon jutsu): can be easily abused to steal important items from civilians, maybe even ninjas with none the wiser until later
Shuriken Kage Bunshin (though, in my fic, it can be used for any projectile): potential army killer. Possibly can draw enough Chakra to kill careless users
Bunshin Daibakuha: one of those is a lot stronger than a couple or so of explosive tags, IIRC. A chain of those used by a person with Kage-level reserves could level the Hokage mountain, possibly.

Knyght · Feb 1, 2017

Altered Nova said:

To me, I just treated it as an example of what Naruto was capable of when his resolve - his desire to protect someone - was at its peak and thus allowed him to bring out his full potential. Same again in a more blatant fashion in the fight against Gaara. He can tap into the fox's chakra when he wants to at that point but that particularl scene looks to be entirely under his own power. It's not something Naruto could do under normal circumstances but when pushed to his limits...

Poorly phrased on my part, I didn't actually mean that Naruto was somehow taking Kurama's chakra against his will. Only that Kurama always sends Naruto its chakra when it senses his anger once that first 'crack' was made. So I don't believe Kurama was deliberately withholding his chakra for those twelve years, it just took twelve years before it was able to start pushing its chakra through the seal. After that point it wasn't just that small stream of Kurama's chakra being introduced into his sytem and suppressed but an active influx of it entering his body to make him stronger and more like the fox (if only barely at the very beginning).

AoMythology said:

That seems very convenient, tbh. Naruto spontaneously awakened the Sharingan without any stimulus (or at least there doesn't seem to be a catalyst for Kurama for getting it involved and causing it to awaken) just in time to memorize some of the most restricted jutsu in the village. And then it's gone again because of Kurama putting a block in his mind...though Naruto never even realised that he awoke it in the first place so he does he even need a block? It wouldn't be much different than Kakashi not using the Mangekyo for over a decade because of simple ignorance.

AoMythology said:

Kinjutsu are techniques that endanger the user's life and are dangerous because they go against the laws of nature (usually by sacrificing the lives of others). Most of those jutsu are advanced and/or powerful but don't really fall under forbidden status. Restricted to certain ranks, maybe, but not forbidden.

The name of the scroll likely comes from these jutsu being described as "sealed away" e.g. the First Hokage was said to have sealed the Multiple Shadow Clone Jutsu inside the scroll because it was a life-risking move. Not that it wouldn't include forbidden sealing jutsu since it's probably got stuff like the Dead Demon Consuming Seal inside.

I'd find it more believable if Naruto had nicked several scrolls along with the Scroll of Seals - there's a lot to choose from - opened them all up in search of a jutsu to learn and saw stuff like Mito's treatise on sealing, Madara's tips on fire jutsu in the other ones instead.

AoMythology · Feb 1, 2017

Naruto's Chakra rating in the early Databooks was 4; I seriously doubt that it's enough for that many Shadow Clones on his own. In part 2, definitely, but in the beginning, he's just 12 years old and has horrible Chakra Control. I'm not saying that it was purely the fox, of course; nor that Naruto doesn't have great potential.

I'll concede the point of it being very convenient. As for Naruto not realizing that he had it, he could have easily accidentally activated it without much duress, such as in a spar versus Sasuke. The way Kurama did it, Naruto will have to awaken it the typical Uchiha way next time (not to mention that the fox wanted to be very thorough). As for Kurama getting involved, he accidentally awakened the Sharingan when he sent more of his Chakra to help Naruto take in the information in the Scroll more quickly, as a kind of 'reward' for being willing to do anything to get power, unlike the goody-goody two shoes previous containers. I've made a lot of edits, sorry about that.

Might be a good point. Speaking of which: are we certain that the Forbidden Scroll of Seals was supposed to have ONLY kinjutsu? It doesn't have just Fuuinjutsu, after all, either.

Yorae Rasante · Feb 1, 2017

AoMythology said:

Naruto's Chakra rating in the early Databooks was 4; I seriously doubt that it's enough for that many Shadow Clones on his own. In part 2, definitely, but in the beginning, he's just 12 years old and has horrible Chakra Control. I'm not saying that it was purely the fox, of course; nor that Naruto doesn't have great potential.

Don't the databooks use a base of 5? In that case Naruto would be an 8 out of 10.

AoMythology · Feb 1, 2017

Yorae Rasante said:

AoMythology said:

Don't the databooks use a base of 5? In that case Naruto would be an 8 out of 10.

Which is still not Kage level unless I'm much mistaken.

Knyght · Feb 2, 2017

AoMythology said:

I'm not even averse to the idea of Naruto using its chakra at that point, it's just that we're shown (and later told in the databook) that he didn't tap into it until Wave.

Personally, I'm more bothered by the fact that he could even learn the Multiple Shadow Clone Jutsu in the first place. This is the kid who literally can't even use one of the easiest jutsu in the existence after trying for god knows how long, yet learns a version several times more advanced in a single night. He can't use even master the Summoning Jutsu in Part 1 when his chakra control's significantly improved and its not even as advanced as his shadow clones. Everything he does in the first chapter pretty suspect and ya just gotta roll with it.

All we're really told is that the scroll is so dangerous that the First Hokage sealed it away and the one example we're given is the Multiple Shadow Clones kinjutsu which is also the first one in there, implying its the least dangerous of them. We don't have much more than that, AFAIK.

AoMythology said:

The kage-level characters with stats are mixed in Stamina. Some have less than Naruto (even excluding the dying Itachi), some are even and some have more so it's pretty varied.

AoMythology · Feb 2, 2017

Well, the Mass Shadow Clone is certainly the easiest to learn. I'm kind of partial to the theory made by someone that the scroll was originally supposed to get a Hokage who's not quite Kage-level up to scratch quickly; does anyone remember the fanfic where that idea was in?

Edit: also, the fact that it's the first doesn't necessarily mean anything - remember, the Shadow Clone was invented by Tobirama; it can be expected that Tobirama would be the first to put something on the Scroll.

ankokudaishogun · Feb 2, 2017

Kage Bunshin automatically splits chakra, doing away with one of Naruto's main problem, probably the biggest for the simple Bunshin.

nixofcyzerra · Feb 2, 2017

It really doesn't, though.

Creating a Kage Bunshin requires a decent investment of chakra to create a body of pseudo-flesh-and-blood, as well as copying the chakra pathways and filling them with chakra to the current "resting point" of the original. However, when the clone moulds more chakra than is currently in its pathways for a Jutsu (either consciously for a Nin-or-Genjutsu, or instinctively for basic Taijutsu,) it draws on the stamina/chakra of the original. So if you were to make 10 clones, and all 10 of the clones were to each start using chakra enhancement to move at ninja speeds and perform, say, the Great Fireball Jutsu, your stamina would be used up 10 times faster.

Except that it would actually be 11 times faster, due to the fact that the chakra of a shadow clone resonates and mimics the chakra of the original (and any other shadow clones) and vice-versa.

So if random Jounin made 9 shadow clones, and then all of the clones were to sit down and take a nap while the original trained, random Jounin would still have their stamina depleted 10 times faster than normal, as he or she moulded chakra, despite the 9 clones not doing anything, their circulatory systems would still copy the original's, even if the moulded chakra travelling through their pathways went to waste.

Part 1 Kakashi, for example, could use the Chidori 4 times a day (implying that it takes slightly under 1/4 of his stamina.) If he were to make a Shadow Clone, and then either him or the clone were to use the Chidori (while the other did nothing,) that's around 1/2 of his stamina just gone (and that's not taking into account the chakra that you don't get back once a Shadow Clone dispels.)

I imagine the Shadow Clone technique isn't overly complex (at least for its rank,) as ultimately you're copying something that already exists and that you're intimately familiar with (i.e, your body,) but unless you do have excellent stamina, you run a real risk of using up all your energy and dying of chakra exhaustion very quickly (and unless you have an impressive recovery rate, you'll still probably be completely useless or at least severely handicapped for the next few days.)

My head-canon has there being a few reasons that Kage Bunshin is in the scroll (one of them being that Tobimara created it,) but the biggest reason that the Shadow Clone technique was banned was because, sort of the like the Death Gate, there were too many Shinobi driving themselves into an early grave by pushing themselves way too hard to complete a mission or protect their comrades by wanting to be in multiple places at once.

Also, one of the reasons that the Shadow Clone technique was very well-suited for Naruto at the start of the manga is that it effectively takes the first part of chakra control out the equation. The first part of controlling your chakra is not moulding more than a Jutsu requires. If you mould twice as much chakra as necessary to use the Great Fireball Jutsu, you don't get a Fireball that's twice as big/powerful/hot/whatever, you've just wasted a load of chakra. But if you mould twice as much chakra as necessary to make a Shadow Clone, you just get two instead of one. It's the same principle with the Summoning Jutsu (once you've actually got the hang of it.) Mould more chakra, get a bigger toad.

AoMythology · Feb 2, 2017

I thought that the spiritual and physical energy IS evenly split, it just returns to the user when they are dispelled or killed. Thus, they take a lot more stamina than they are supposed to (and yes, of course there's a Chakra cost to actually make them, one many, many times higher than the simple Clone jutsu), since if someone make a lot of them at once, said person dies of Chakra depletion before the Chakra manages to return.

nixofcyzerra · Feb 2, 2017

Nah, if a Shadow Clone just took 1/2 of the user's physical and spiritual energy, then what would the point of a clone's chakra moving in resonance with the original's be? It would be able to produce chakra by itself by converting the physical and spiritual energy that it had been gifted during its creation, so its would basically be able to be fully independent until it ran out of energy and dispelled.

Remember Neji couldn't tell the real Naruto apart from his Shadow Clones during their fight, becuase they all had exactly the same amount of chakra flowing through their pathways, even when one or more of them used chakra enhancement. The portions of chakra that Naruto had moulded and divided between him and his Shadow Clones (and stored within their pathways) all moved in sync.

Plus physical and spiritual energies being transferred without passing through the pathways first doesn't sound right to me. If that were possible, then a simple transfer technique would be able to cure chakra exhaustion, and it wouldn't be considered so dangerous.

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