Naruto [Naruto] Miscellaneous ideas topic.
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Alive Minato. Everyone sacrifices the Third or Jiraiya, but there's a perfectly canon way to use the Shinigami's power without sacrificing yourself.
Edit: do you mean the divergence? Well, this is not a full-fledged idea, so I don't really care. There are so many fics with living Minato; pick your poison.
Edit: do you mean the divergence? Well, this is not a full-fledged idea, so I don't really care. There are so many fics with living Minato; pick your poison.
http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Dead_Demon_Consuming_Seal:_Release
Read again. If the wikia isn't wrong, then you can do whatever you want, and only injuring the Shinigami itself will affect you. He could command the Shinigami to simply split the Kyuubi's soul/Chakra, then dismiss it and put the Yin part into Kushina with another normal (Eight Trigrams) seal instead of getting himself along with it in the belly of the god, and seal the Yang part as per canon.
Read again. If the wikia isn't wrong, then you can do whatever you want, and only injuring the Shinigami itself will affect you. He could command the Shinigami to simply split the Kyuubi's soul/Chakra, then dismiss it and put the Yin part into Kushina with another normal (Eight Trigrams) seal instead of getting himself along with it in the belly of the god, and seal the Yang part as per canon.
You're taking the Wiki's phrasing to mean something the author of the article (a Naruto fan with no official standing) probably didn't mean to convey. Minato almost certainly knew of the Uzumaki mask, and he was the fastest man alive. If the mask allows you to survive summoning the Shinigami to seal something, why didn't he in canon?
We'll need someone who can translate the manga him-/her- self to be certain what it says. Or maybe... what's the most reliable translation for that particular chapter?
As for why Minato didn't use it - probably because Kishimoto only thought up the Mask months or years later.
Edit: the Temple hadn't been touched in decades, IIRC. Who's to say Mito even got the chance to tell Kushina of it, or that she didn't want it to be lost to history for some reason?
As for why Minato didn't use it - probably because Kishimoto only thought up the Mask months or years later.
Edit: the Temple hadn't been touched in decades, IIRC. Who's to say Mito even got the chance to tell Kushina of it, or that she didn't want it to be lost to history for some reason?
From a storytelling perspective, I have a hard time accepting that that the mask would let you summon a death god to seal away someone's soul without paying any cost. That seems like a freakin' ninjutsu cheat code, and it would cheapen Minato's sacrifice. Plus it would make Orochimaru look like an idiot for not bringing it along to the battlefield to potentially use against Obito.
Maybe a person can only use the mask once in his life, for any kind of use.
Hmm... maybe Minato had already used it for something else? You're right that it cheapens his sacrifice, if it's such a get-out-of-jail-free card.
But you're missing the point. I talked about the mask as a fanfic plot device to have Minato survive, and it seems (depending on how the original Japanese text was worded) that an author can interpret this mask as such. Canonically, I WOULD prefer that it not be so OP, or that it be a one use device at most, as I said above.
Hmm... maybe Minato had already used it for something else? You're right that it cheapens his sacrifice, if it's such a get-out-of-jail-free card.
But you're missing the point. I talked about the mask as a fanfic plot device to have Minato survive, and it seems (depending on how the original Japanese text was worded) that an author can interpret this mask as such. Canonically, I WOULD prefer that it not be so OP, or that it be a one use device at most, as I said above.
Just to point out, the Death God uses the summoner's very soul as a medium, and not in a kind way, either, so your soul is pretty much already forfeit no matter what you do. About the only way to have Minato use the mask and still live is if he forced it upon someone else with a hypnotic command to force them to summon it instead. Well, either that, or he somehow steals/switches souls with another to be used as proxy. And no matter how you add it up, that would make Minato a fucking monster.
Orochimaru survived summoning the Shinigami because he didn't order it to seal away anything. If he had, his soul presumably would have been been eaten along with the target just the same as if he'd summoned it with a jutsu like Minato and Hiruzen did. My assumption is that the mask simply has the summoning jutsu bound to it; it's basically just a fancy summoning scroll.
No it doesn't. I just reread that chapter and Orochimaru barely moved after putting the mask on, the Shinigami sliced it's own belly.
Actually, the scroll that told Orochimaru about the mask specifically said "Reaper Death Seal Release" and states that the mask is required. Now I think the mask might only be able to release the souls trapped in the Shinigami's stomach and probably can't be used to seal away more souls. So the mask might have been created specifically to counter the Shinigami summoning jutsu.
Actually, the scroll that told Orochimaru about the mask specifically said "Reaper Death Seal Release" and states that the mask is required. Now I think the mask might only be able to release the souls trapped in the Shinigami's stomach and probably can't be used to seal away more souls. So the mask might have been created specifically to counter the Shinigami summoning jutsu.
Idea, crossover with Code Geass:
Lelouch is reborn as the twin sister of Sasuke, LuluP). Mikoto, his/her new mother has a personality similar to Milly's or maybe Kaguya (Sumeragi)'s, so hijinks ensue, especially when little Lulu gets her name legally changed to Luluushu D). While interested in being a ninja, Lulu didn't put much effort into training her physical stamina or strength, beyond what 'her' mother and the Academy pushed onto 'her'.
Then Itachi killed everyone, and "Lulu's" little vacation from changing the world comes to an abrupt end. The Masked Man (Obito) easily danced around her during the massacre; she outsmarted him and nearly got him... except Lulu's body was far too slow and weak to take advantage, even with the (newly awakened) Sharingan.
Obito thought he killed her, but she has some regenerative capabilities (from a Code?). Still, it's not a full-fledged Code, so she most certainly can die. Lulu realizes that she needs to keep up physically, so she REALLY steps up her training.
She gets put on Team Seven in Sakura's place. (Yes, that's why Lulu's female!) BTW, she doesn't have her Geass, the Sharingan should be enough of a substitute if used cunningly. "Absolute Obedience" is way too OP for the Naruto world (I'm certain Lelouch would be able to control the Gedo Mazo, the full-fledged Juubi, Kaguya Otsutsuki, and any other Otsutsuki.)
I imagine that "Lulu" would be VERY protective of Sasuke, and would not think much of Naruto due to his lack of intellect. Or maybe 'she' would have a hard time reading the guy and think he was hiding his intelligence beneath a 'mask', only to discover that Naruto truly isn't all that smart, even beneath his mask. (Insert a "Take That" to certain Naruto fanon clichés.)
I'd imagine that this universe likes to mess with Lulu even more than 'her' original one did. From changing gender to getting a tease as a mother, to Shikaku Nara beating her at Shogi, to Shikamaru constantly hounding 'her' for rematches (which he can't win), to Naruto hounding her for any reason (maybe a crush?), to more serious stuff like the massacre and Orochimaru's plans.
Lelouch is reborn as the twin sister of Sasuke, Lulu
P). Mikoto, his/her new mother has a personality similar to Milly's or maybe Kaguya (Sumeragi)'s, so hijinks ensue, especially when little Lulu gets her name legally changed to Luluushu D). While interested in being a ninja, Lulu didn't put much effort into training her physical stamina or strength, beyond what 'her' mother and the Academy pushed onto 'her'.Then Itachi killed everyone, and "Lulu's" little vacation from changing the world comes to an abrupt end. The Masked Man (Obito) easily danced around her during the massacre; she outsmarted him and nearly got him... except Lulu's body was far too slow and weak to take advantage, even with the (newly awakened) Sharingan.
Obito thought he killed her, but she has some regenerative capabilities (from a Code?). Still, it's not a full-fledged Code, so she most certainly can die. Lulu realizes that she needs to keep up physically, so she REALLY steps up her training.
She gets put on Team Seven in Sakura's place. (Yes, that's why Lulu's female!) BTW, she doesn't have her Geass, the Sharingan should be enough of a substitute if used cunningly. "Absolute Obedience" is way too OP for the Naruto world (I'm certain Lelouch would be able to control the Gedo Mazo, the full-fledged Juubi, Kaguya Otsutsuki, and any other Otsutsuki.)
I imagine that "Lulu" would be VERY protective of Sasuke, and would not think much of Naruto due to his lack of intellect. Or maybe 'she' would have a hard time reading the guy and think he was hiding his intelligence beneath a 'mask', only to discover that Naruto truly isn't all that smart, even beneath his mask. (Insert a "Take That" to certain Naruto fanon clichés.)
I'd imagine that this universe likes to mess with Lulu even more than 'her' original one did. From changing gender to getting a tease as a mother, to Shikaku Nara beating her at Shogi, to Shikamaru constantly hounding 'her' for rematches (which he can't win), to Naruto hounding her for any reason (maybe a crush?), to more serious stuff like the massacre and Orochimaru's plans.
Story Idea: something went wrong with Kushina's Chakra being sealed inside Naruto; it was permanently stuck there, but couldn't communicate with anyone except maybe in Naruto's dreams. What 'Kushina' COULD do is defend Naruto, with a defensive variation of the Adamantine Sealing Chains.
Essentially, Naruto gets something similar to Gaara's situation. Especially if the Sandaime dies and Danzo becomes Hokage, then he decides that he wants Naruto to go through life or death situations. I don't know if the idea would get anywhere, but if anyone has already written such a thing, please tell me so that I can read it.
Essentially, Naruto gets something similar to Gaara's situation. Especially if the Sandaime dies and Danzo becomes Hokage, then he decides that he wants Naruto to go through life or death situations. I don't know if the idea would get anywhere, but if anyone has already written such a thing, please tell me so that I can read it.
Sounds plausible too. The source of Gaara's automatic defense is his mother's will (although it's never explained how that works. Was some of her chakra sealed inside him as well?), and Naruto definitely has his mother's will sealed inside him. The only problem was that her help was apparently a one-time deal, as she faded after helping Naruto defeat Kurama during his training. That would be easy enough to explain though... perhaps instead of sealing a single activation of both of them inside Naruto, Minato instead seals just Kushina in him but he alters the seal so that she could continually power her jutsu using chakra stolen from Kurama. That would balance the power out a bit too since Minato won't be around to save him if Kurama breaks the seal, so he'll have to be way more careful about overusing Kurama's chakra.
given the situation when the seal was made, a simpler "Something went wrong during the seal" without any reason behind it would be good enough.
The chains shouldn't be much dangerous, usually- they would just constrain\keep away people. This is necessary because Naruto was already almost going Gaara without the stigma of being a random murderer.
Possibly the chain never attacking Mikoto, so OF COURSE the Village would take it as a sign the Uchiha were totally working on taking control of Ninetails even though the chain would attack other, less savoury, Uchihas while not attacking Kakashi and other people Kushina would have deemed "allies\friends".
Possibly the chains activating automatically to actually RESTRAIN Naruto when he uses Kurama's chakra?
Also, how many people would know about the chains? There are supposed to be a Uzumaki Hiden. Would those people think they are a defence mechanism put in place by Minato or Kushina to keep people safe FROM Naruto and not viceversa?
The chains shouldn't be much dangerous, usually- they would just constrain\keep away people. This is necessary because Naruto was already almost going Gaara without the stigma of being a random murderer.
Possibly the chain never attacking Mikoto, so OF COURSE the Village would take it as a sign the Uchiha were totally working on taking control of Ninetails even though the chain would attack other, less savoury, Uchihas while not attacking Kakashi and other people Kushina would have deemed "allies\friends".
Possibly the chains activating automatically to actually RESTRAIN Naruto when he uses Kurama's chakra?
Also, how many people would know about the chains? There are supposed to be a Uzumaki Hiden. Would those people think they are a defence mechanism put in place by Minato or Kushina to keep people safe FROM Naruto and not viceversa?
Story Idea : It is mostly a timeline than anything but basically, the characters get more powers that they could have logically have obtained if circumstances were different
Eg [Part 1]:
Naruto Uzumaki: Initial Focus/Specialties are Shadow Clones (including Shuriken and Kunai variants) and Transformation; along with Kunai and Shuriken handling techniques
Sasuke Uchiha: Initial Focus/Specialties are Mid-Level Fire Style Ninjutsu, Mid-Level Lightning Style Ninjutsu, and Shuriken handling techniques
Sakura Haruno: Initial Focus/Specialties are Transformation, Substitution, Genjutsu and Fuuinjutsu. Surprisingly strong and sturdy body, though she could DEFINITELY use some serious stamina training.
Once in Wave: Sasuke awakens Sharingan with two-tomoe each and promptly gets put to sleep by Haku; Sasuke is able to activate his Sharingan at will. Upon Sasuke's "death" Naruto awakens Sharingan as well with one-tomoe each, accesses Kyuubi Chakra for the first time. Naruto's Sharingan doesn't activate again until later
Once in River [Filler Mission]: Upon seeing Sakura in danger and seemingly unable to reach to help her, Naruto unknowingly taps in Kurama's chakra and subconsiously activates his Sharingan (still 1-Tomoe each) and gets a speed and power boost to deal with the threat towards her, Kurama's Chakra dissipates and his Sharingan quickly deactivates and Sakura is left in doubt if what she saw was real or not. Naruto STILL can't activate Sharingan consciously
Chuunin Exam's Preliminaries: After some uncharacteristically grueling training from Kakashi, Naruto has a much better physical condition than Sasuke (being physically stronger and just as fast; however, Sasuke is still that much more skilled than Naruto). Sakura's Chakra Output, Control and Physical Stamina have greatly increased as well. Kakashi is surprised by the fact that Sakura's physical prowess surpasses Sasuke's, though falls short compared to Naruto.
**To summarize; Up to this point, in terms of Physical Prowess it goes Naruto > Sakura > Sasuke, in terms of Sheer Skill it goes Sasuke > Sakura > Naruto. In terms of Chakra Output and Potency it goes Naruto > Sasuke > Sakura. In terms of Chakra Control it goes Sakura > Sasuke > Naruto.**
Forest of Death: Sasuke's Sharingan goes three-tomoe, gets knocked out by Orochimaru and infected with Cursed Seal. Naruto's Sharingan suddenly activates and goes two-tomoe right before Orochimaru slams Gogyou Fuuin on Naruto's Seal; causing his Sharingan to deactivate just as quickly (escaping Orochimaru's attention), blocking the use of Kurama's Chakra and permanently crippling his Chakra by 75% (at least until the seal is released). Naruto can now activate Sharingan at will, but only after the Gogyou Fuuin is released; until then both Sharingan and the Kyuubi are inaccessible to him.
............More to follow
Eg [Part 1]:
Naruto Uzumaki: Initial Focus/Specialties are Shadow Clones (including Shuriken and Kunai variants) and Transformation; along with Kunai and Shuriken handling techniques
Sasuke Uchiha: Initial Focus/Specialties are Mid-Level Fire Style Ninjutsu, Mid-Level Lightning Style Ninjutsu, and Shuriken handling techniques
Sakura Haruno: Initial Focus/Specialties are Transformation, Substitution, Genjutsu and Fuuinjutsu. Surprisingly strong and sturdy body, though she could DEFINITELY use some serious stamina training.
Once in Wave: Sasuke awakens Sharingan with two-tomoe each and promptly gets put to sleep by Haku; Sasuke is able to activate his Sharingan at will. Upon Sasuke's "death" Naruto awakens Sharingan as well with one-tomoe each, accesses Kyuubi Chakra for the first time. Naruto's Sharingan doesn't activate again until later
Once in River [Filler Mission]: Upon seeing Sakura in danger and seemingly unable to reach to help her, Naruto unknowingly taps in Kurama's chakra and subconsiously activates his Sharingan (still 1-Tomoe each) and gets a speed and power boost to deal with the threat towards her, Kurama's Chakra dissipates and his Sharingan quickly deactivates and Sakura is left in doubt if what she saw was real or not. Naruto STILL can't activate Sharingan consciously
Chuunin Exam's Preliminaries: After some uncharacteristically grueling training from Kakashi, Naruto has a much better physical condition than Sasuke (being physically stronger and just as fast; however, Sasuke is still that much more skilled than Naruto). Sakura's Chakra Output, Control and Physical Stamina have greatly increased as well. Kakashi is surprised by the fact that Sakura's physical prowess surpasses Sasuke's, though falls short compared to Naruto.
**To summarize; Up to this point, in terms of Physical Prowess it goes Naruto > Sakura > Sasuke, in terms of Sheer Skill it goes Sasuke > Sakura > Naruto. In terms of Chakra Output and Potency it goes Naruto > Sasuke > Sakura. In terms of Chakra Control it goes Sakura > Sasuke > Naruto.**
Forest of Death: Sasuke's Sharingan goes three-tomoe, gets knocked out by Orochimaru and infected with Cursed Seal. Naruto's Sharingan suddenly activates and goes two-tomoe right before Orochimaru slams Gogyou Fuuin on Naruto's Seal; causing his Sharingan to deactivate just as quickly (escaping Orochimaru's attention), blocking the use of Kurama's Chakra and permanently crippling his Chakra by 75% (at least until the seal is released). Naruto can now activate Sharingan at will, but only after the Gogyou Fuuin is released; until then both Sharingan and the Kyuubi are inaccessible to him.
............More to follow