Original Fiction Section
- Thread starter zerohour
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Since this isn't in admin text, I'm going to take issue with it.
We already have an original fiction section. I don't see how changing how it is displayed will change anything, let alone be a 'drastic change in direction'. If it is such a change, it is a change that has already happened.
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We already have an original fiction section. I don't see how changing how it is displayed will change anything, let alone be a 'drastic change in direction'. If it is such a change, it is a change that has already happened.
EDIT: Added missing word
Honestly? For this I'd like to see it higher. Like I said this could be a huge new direction for TFF, and if we do it I'd like to see it done right. This'll probably need an all-new Original Fiction category, which I'm not opposed to at all. Even if this doesn't go through I'll probably wind up adding it anyway down the line.
Glimmervoid: The text you highlighted was a statement and not an action. I don't have to admin up to express opinions.
Glimmervoid: The text you highlighted was a statement and not an action. I don't have to admin up to express opinions.
Sorry, I wasn't clear.
I meant because it wasn't you talking as an Admin, I felt able to debate the point. That is, it was just your opinion as a user, the same as anyone else. If you had been talking as an admin, I wouldn't have started arguing in the middle of a thread. Arguing with admin and mods about their actions as admin and mods in the middle of threads just causes trouble in my experience.
I meant because it wasn't you talking as an Admin, I felt able to debate the point. That is, it was just your opinion as a user, the same as anyone else. If you had been talking as an admin, I wouldn't have started arguing in the middle of a thread. Arguing with admin and mods about their actions as admin and mods in the middle of threads just causes trouble in my experience.
Aha, gotcha. Best not make too much of a big deal about the color of my username in the future? Helps prevent that kind of misunderstanding, Glimmervoid.
I actually added the original fiction section two days ago just to get crap out of the General forum and into its own section. I'm not opposed to an original fiction area, but to do it justice WOULD require more effort than putting in a fanfiction category. And then there's the completely separate matter of usage. Why come to a fanfiction forum to discuss original fiction? There are an infinite number of places better suited for developing original stories, and the number of fanfiction writers who do original fiction is smaller than the number who just do fanfiction. Would it see use?
And then there's the publishing thing. Publishers HATE when they don't have exclusive or near-exclusive access to an author's manuscript. Even online author trade forums have strict rules about who gets in, and who gets to see an author's new work before publishing. Stricter than our "sign up with an e-mail account" after you found us on FFN policy, at least. The vanity press and Amazon's new publishing division ameliorate this some, but enough?
These are things we'd have to think about before we could open a good original fiction section, in my opinion.
I actually added the original fiction section two days ago just to get crap out of the General forum and into its own section. I'm not opposed to an original fiction area, but to do it justice WOULD require more effort than putting in a fanfiction category. And then there's the completely separate matter of usage. Why come to a fanfiction forum to discuss original fiction? There are an infinite number of places better suited for developing original stories, and the number of fanfiction writers who do original fiction is smaller than the number who just do fanfiction. Would it see use?
And then there's the publishing thing. Publishers HATE when they don't have exclusive or near-exclusive access to an author's manuscript. Even online author trade forums have strict rules about who gets in, and who gets to see an author's new work before publishing. Stricter than our "sign up with an e-mail account" after you found us on FFN policy, at least. The vanity press and Amazon's new publishing division ameliorate this some, but enough?
These are things we'd have to think about before we could open a good original fiction section, in my opinion.
I actually have some stuff on fictionpress. It got sent over when the site split. I don't think I've been over there at all since then. Well once to figure out what the hell my original FFN name was. I forgot the logon information for a few years and made a new account, but eventually figured it out and found the old one with the much better member number and sign up date.
I agree with Watashiwa. Original Fiction needs its own category, not only section. For its subdivision, the basics are the usual Talk, Ideas and Previews and I'd add a Round Robin section for collective fiction writing. If it becomes active enough, further divisions by Genre may be necessaire, but that's in the future. For now, Tags will suffice.
I find the notion of no votes for a suggestion thread to be rather silly, though admittedly since this is a particularly special case that should be fine here since in theory it is a big change to the forum as has already been covered.
For other more normal fandoms however? It'd be very easy for people to just troll the particular fandom for a large number of no votes for a series that clearly deserves one already. If the idea of 20 votes for a new subforum is to show that there's enough interest in it to suggest that it would have a following, no votes should be completely irrelevant since only the Yes people are likely going to be actually using it once it's up.
I mean if there's 30 or so people who vote yes and 15 or so who vote no, we've already proven there's enough interest in the section that at least a chunk of those 30 people will probably post in it regardless of those 15 who apparently don't want it and probably wouldn't have posted anyway. Allowing the option to vote no at all seems completely counter intuitive to the goal in a normal fandom case honestly.
For other more normal fandoms however? It'd be very easy for people to just troll the particular fandom for a large number of no votes for a series that clearly deserves one already. If the idea of 20 votes for a new subforum is to show that there's enough interest in it to suggest that it would have a following, no votes should be completely irrelevant since only the Yes people are likely going to be actually using it once it's up.
I mean if there's 30 or so people who vote yes and 15 or so who vote no, we've already proven there's enough interest in the section that at least a chunk of those 30 people will probably post in it regardless of those 15 who apparently don't want it and probably wouldn't have posted anyway. Allowing the option to vote no at all seems completely counter intuitive to the goal in a normal fandom case honestly.
The thing is, this isn't a normal fandom case. This isn't even a fandom. You're asking for an original fiction section on a fanfiction forum.
It would be like if you made a suggestion for adding a section for creating oil paintings of original subjects. It's completely missing the point of the forum, and some people will want it in other forums that are meant for it.
It would be like if you made a suggestion for adding a section for creating oil paintings of original subjects. It's completely missing the point of the forum, and some people will want it in other forums that are meant for it.
Here's the thing. This forum may have Fanfiction in the name but Fanfiction isn't the only thing we do here. Just look at the way we split up our boards: Ideas, Previews and Talk. The first two are tightly tied to Fanfiction but the Talk boards spend as much time discussing the series in question as Fanfiction for them, probably more so.
Take the Rants and General sections, which have nothing to do with Fanfiction. Take the fact we have games and leader boards. Hell, take the fact that we already have original fiction posted on the board, some of it years old. It's a natural outgrowth of the community, a formalisation of something that already exists, a small step to let that aspect of our creativity flourish. Both Spacebattles and DarkLordPotter have original fiction boards and neither board's culture suffered for it. I really don't think this a radical proposal.
Take the Rants and General sections, which have nothing to do with Fanfiction. Take the fact we have games and leader boards. Hell, take the fact that we already have original fiction posted on the board, some of it years old. It's a natural outgrowth of the community, a formalisation of something that already exists, a small step to let that aspect of our creativity flourish. Both Spacebattles and DarkLordPotter have original fiction boards and neither board's culture suffered for it. I really don't think this a radical proposal.
That's why I said it might be fine here since this is asking something a bit 'new' so to speak. I was more speaking in general for the other ones. Since no votes were added to the digimon suggestion thread as well (Well PRE-Suggestion at least).
Probably should have put this in that thread instead to avoid confusion but I did make the specific notes above to put context to what I was talking about.
Probably should have put this in that thread instead to avoid confusion but I did make the specific notes above to put context to what I was talking about.
I have no problems with the board expanding, even if it was for something like oil paintings of original subjects. While I doubt that an oil painting section would get much use, but an art section probably would. Several of us are artists to some degree. There may be people who want to do fancomics of something. Those could go in previews I suppose, but they may not fit there all that well.
So the current total is 26 votes for an original fiction section. While probably less than your intended goal, we have expressed a net desire for an original fiction section.
So, I ask of you, great Administrative force, create an Original Fiction Section so we might express ideal wholly of our own to the members of TFF, that we might create new ideals of fiction that could relate new realms of fiction and creativity that yield new ideals for the masses!!!
So, I ask of you, great Administrative force, create an Original Fiction Section so we might express ideal wholly of our own to the members of TFF, that we might create new ideals of fiction that could relate new realms of fiction and creativity that yield new ideals for the masses!!!