Nasuverse Puella Magi Sakura Magica

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lask

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In the Natsuverse your soul will ultimately disitigrate upon death (though you can put it off for a while, and you can have someone else use your 'ghost' to make things like famililar's or conceptional weapons. The new form of your 'ghost' will lack your memories and identity, but might have a little of your personality).

It seemslike Kyubey doesn't directly lie (he just fails to mention things), and he did say in passing that souls desolve into nothing after death.

Notably, Ky?ko hung on as a Magical Girl for several year without to much trouble, and could have hung on longer if she didn't learn to care about others.

So yeah, this isn't a bad trade up for Sakura, not at all.

THe only problem I have so far is that Kyubey is forbidden from actually suggesting a wish (though there are technicalities a while wide in that little rule that he abuses to his cold hearts content). Sakura wouldn't have much problem wishing for her freedom on her own, though.
 
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ItsaRandomUsername

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Tsuki_CB said:
So tell me, why do YOU hate Sakura so much that you would condemn her to THAT of all things?
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Better than rape and despair, in her opinion.

'Tis better to feel freedom before death than to live a trapped life. That's what the them of Puella Magi Sakura Magica would be.

And it's called "dark fic" for a reason. I have nothing against the girl, just that this is too good of an idea to pass up.
 
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nick012000

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I think Sakura would become suspicious the moment it offers that wish; after all, the Holy Grail requires the souls of half a dozen Heroic Spirits to do something similar, so the obvious question is where it's getting the power to grant those wishes from, and since Kyubee doesn't lie except by omission, odds are that it'll explain that "infinite energy" loop with the justification that it's saving the universe from entropy when she asks.
 
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Avider

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Yeah, I'm pretty sure that the thing Sakura's gonna do is objectively construct a rational argument weighing the pros and cons of wishing to be free from a life of torture, rape, torture, more rape, pain, torture, rape, more pain, more rape, torture, oh and did I mention rape?


I can see her not believing that QB can do what he says, but I can't see her pressing the point enough to ask a question directly warranting QB's explanation on the infinite energy loop.

And, even if she does, I don't see it affecting her choice all that much. What QB is offering is still much much much better than what she's having.


But say for whatever reason she refuses, QB's a tricksy thing enough to hang around until circumstances align such that Sakura will not give a damn about the consequences and wish anyways.

Say when a certain red-head gets into trouble. Because even if Sakura won't save herself, she would Shirou.


(I feel dirty because I sound like mike.)
 
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Tsuki_CB

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But which universe? Has he said that it's saving OURS or HIS?

Y'know, that's the price?
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The price is your existence, soul and true freedom since you do have to fight against the witches, you have no choice in this.


The whole becoming a witch thing is an overblown drama device, only really driving because the victims are just a bunch of little girls with the emotional stability of a house of cards.
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And what do you think Sakura is? What's more as it becomes harder and harder for her to feel anything but despair, or sadness I guess, the less she'll be able to drum up the want to DO anything with her freedom.

After all you need hope and self worth to be able to try for a relationship.

Don't you see? She Hasn't really been freed, she's just been let out of one cage for a slightly bigger one, and if she want's to last for any length of time she has to cut off her emotions so as to slow, or halt, the corruption of her Soul Gem. She tries to do anything she actually want's to do, which requires feelings, and the corruption speeds up until she turns into a witch, at which point she's killed by another Puella Magi.
 
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Avider

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The price is your existence, soul and true freedom since you do have to fight against the witches, you have no choice in this.
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Blah blah blah scary words blah. I said that's the price didn't I?

And what do you think Sakura is? What's more as it becomes harder and harder for her to feel anything but despair, or sadness I guess, the less she'll be able to drum up the want to DO anything with her freedom.

After all you need hope and self worth to be able to try for a relationship.
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She's a magical girl. Trading one cage for another is exactly the deal here.

Except y'know one cage is like electrically rigged to give a shock every 5 seconds, and the other has surround sound TV and a really comfortable couch.

And in one cage she can't exactly kill herself like you oh so want her to, and in the other she's not exactly restricted from doing so if she so wants.

OH, WHAT'S THAT, IS THIS THE BEEEEEEEESSST OF BOTH WORLDS?!?!


No matter how you spin it, if her two options are Zouken or QB, QB will *always be the better choice.

*Conditions as depicted in the works involved.
 
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ItsaRandomUsername

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If it's a wish that you really do want, then it's not wasted when you give your life, right?

:3
 
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Avider

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Now you lost the eyes.



I am a relentless picker. :3
 
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lask

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The nice thing about being a Puella Magi is that you can rip out your own dispair quite easily. Find a witch, and use her grief seed to unload your own. Again, Ky?ko went through a despair event horizon without turning into a witch, and Mami was both bad about hunting Familiars, and despairing herself without turning. You darked your gem by using it. You have to use it to keep living, so you can't avoid the problem that way, but it's not that bad, for cirtain values of bad. The values of bad Sakura is used to being in are so much blacker that her new circumstances won't even register.
 
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Tsuki_CB

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I'm going to leave it here then, since we're not going to convince each other of our points. Suffice to say I don't see the larger cage as having a sofa and a big screen TV as you say. I see a teenage girl trapped behind emotional walls and increasing despair as she watches everything she wants leave her in one way or another culminating in a miserable death, except now she doesn't have the excuse of being forced to keep quiet about what's going on, and this time Shiro can't come to her rescue cause he can't do anything about her soul being trapped in a gem.
 
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ItsaRandomUsername

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Hmm. You know, now that I think about it, Puella Magi Sakura using Dark Sakura-esque magical razor ribbons isn't such a bad idea. It's just that I don't know what her magical outfit should look like. It needs to be fitting, though.

Now I wish I was a better fan-artist...

Also, let's get in another Track Girl as well. And she needs to use an oversized hammer!
 
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nick012000

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Tsuki_CB said:
I'm going to leave it here then, since we're not going to convince each other of our points. Suffice to say I don't see the larger cage as having a sofa and a big screen TV as you say. I see a teenage girl trapped behind emotional walls and increasing despair as she watches everything she wants leave her in one way or another culminating in a miserable death, except now she doesn't have the excuse of being forced to keep quiet about what's going on, and this time Shiro can't come to her rescue cause he can't do anything about her soul being trapped in a gem.
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Sure he can. This is the guy who took all the evil of humanity to the face and kept on going; he can almost certainly take Sakura's despair onto himself if he had to. Possibly through tantric rituals. ;)
 
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ItsaRandomUsername

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I'm pretty sure Soul Gems don't work that way, although that is a funny thought.

Not even a Deus Sex Machina can save her!
Sakura instead gets love-love with Ayako-senpai.
 
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Jorlem

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Perhaps this would make her want to compete in the Grail War, instead of giving Rider to Shinji? If she thinks she can turn herself back to normal by using the Holy Grail...

Also, as I mentioned in the idea thread, F/SN already contains what might be the perfect counter to QB: Rule Breaker. According to the Type Moon wiki,
it is the ultimate anti-magic Noble Phantasm capable of dispelling and destroying any kind of thaumaturgy. Once it comes into contact with the ensorcelled item or person, enchantments, connections bounded through contracts, and creatures created and maintained by prana will all be returned to their original components in a state "before they were made."

(emphasis mine)
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ItsaRandomUsername

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It might not have been clear, but she already had given Rider to Shinji when Cubey made the Contract with her.

Of course, she'll end up getting Rider back after making her wish. Probably has something to do with the exact content of her wish.

Although I don't even know if she would find out about what a Puella Magi IS.

I also doubt Rule Breaker's effectiveness on a Puella Magi contract, too. It's not exactly...magical? I think. I might be wrong come later episodes, but it seems more akin to funky meta-science. Although if the wording of "Contract" includes ANY AND ALL, and not just of the thaumaturgical kind, then that could work.


"But would you REALLY want that to happen?"
:3
 
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lask

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Jorlem said:
Perhaps this would make her want to compete in the Grail War, instead of giving Rider to Shinji? If she thinks she can turn herself back to normal by using the Holy Grail...

Also, as I mentioned in the idea thread, F/SN already contains what might be the perfect counter to QB: Rule Breaker. According to the Type Moon wiki,
it is the ultimate anti-magic Noble Phantasm capable of dispelling and destroying any kind of thaumaturgy. Once it comes into contact with the ensorcelled item or person, enchantments, connections bounded through contracts, and creatures created and maintained by prana will all be returned to their original components in a state "before they were made."

(emphasis mine)
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Actually, the important bit is here.

it is the ultimate anti-magic Noble Phantasm capable of dispelling and destroying any kind of thaumaturgy. Once it comes into contact with the ensorcelled item or person, enchantments, connections bounded through contracts, and creatures created and maintained by prana will all be returned to their original components in a state "before they were made."

(emphasis mine)
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I don't think Kyubey has any real connection to his girls. He comes from some super-advanced technological civilization, and he probably follows his rules out of his races version of ethics (which don't have much in common with ours). His contract is just that, a contract. It's only binding in the sense that you're transfromed into something that follows it by nature.
 
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ItsaRandomUsername

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Probably this.




...sorry Sakura. You ain't getting out of this that easy. It was YOUR wish, you know.
 
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Hawk

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lask said:
I don't think Kyubey has any real connection to his girls. He comes from some super-advanced technological civilization, and he probably follows his rules out of his races version of ethics (which don't have much in common with ours). His contract is just that, a contract. It's only binding in the sense that you're transfromed into something that follows it by nature.
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I lol'ed at the idea of you trusting Kyuubey. Just because we are told he does not lie by the creators does not mean I trust them. Until the show ends and nothing new can be said in the original episodes, his super advanced civilization talk might be a massive lie.
 
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Jorlem

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Hmm. I think we are parsing that quote differently. The way I'm reading it is, if Rule Breaker comes in contact with

A. an ensorcelled item or person,
B. enchantments,
C. connections bounded through contracts,
D. creatures created and maintained by prana,

then the subject or subjects will all be returned to their original components in a state "before they were made."

And well, the thing is an artifact from the Age of Gods, that symbolizes Caster's status as the witch of betrayal. I don't see why it wouldn't have the power to sever 'mundane' contracts as well as magical ones.

Either way though, its not my call, as I'm not the author.
 
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ItsaRandomUsername

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*Caster stabs Studio DEEN*

*Studio DEEN loses the rights to the Fate/Stay Night anime*

That's a "mundane" contract.
Somehow...Doesn't feel right....
 
Prince Charon

Prince Charon

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Tsuki_CB said:
But which universe? Has he said that it's saving OURS or HIS?
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That's something a lot of people wonder about.
 
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ItsaRandomUsername

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Prince Charon said:
Tsuki_CB said:
But which universe? Has he said that it's saving OURS or HIS?
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That's something a lot of people wonder about.
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"Either way, your energy is going to a good cause and will save a universe. Isn't that such a good thing?

:3


Now go off and kill a witch now, Sakura.
 
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