Nasuverse Puella Magi Sakura Magica

[lask]

Exactly! You know, two hundred and fifty five more of you come into existance every minite, and it's not like you were really going to do anything with your life anyways. Even if you tried, you probably couldn't do anything that would matter.

:3

So make a contract with me and become a Mahou Shoujo! You get something out of it too!

 

[Vexarian]

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Use the superior version!

 

[marthf1]

Wow, this is going to be a hilariously grim-dark symphony of misery & despair. With this being in the middle of the Holy Grail War, it will be misery during the day followed by misery during the night. What is sad is that considering what she was going through prior, this is actually a step up. Hmm, how long she will last? Perhaps being used to despair will allow her more time.

For all the nay-saying, I can't see Sakura finding out about the bigger cage for a while. Other than the upfront price of being a magical girl during episode one, Madoka didn't find out until episode eight or so, & wasn't that only because of the intervention of Homura?

 

[lask]

It required a reasonably rare set of event for things to fall out such that it forced Kyubey to talk. He might not lie, but he's an expert at evading the truth, as diminstrated by how he elemenated Ky?ko.

 

[ItsaRandomUsername]

The way I see it, Sakura will likely end up resembling a textbook example of how the Incubator's plan works, unfortunately. And she'll end up meeting one of the two ends that awaits a magical girl. I doubt she ever will truly find out what she got herself into. Unless Archer (who does know about Incubator for story-related reasons) spills beans, which he just might not if he finds out about her Contract, ergo finding out it's too late to help her. Sad, really...I like the sound of that.

Of course, the fact that this IS a Grail War and that Sakura will reclaim ownership of Rider as a result of her wish will also play a role in the story. Perhaps we could expect to see Rider go up against a Witch or two...perhaps.

But yeah, this won't end well.

 

[Tsuki_CB]

The whole anime is basically how the little horror is trying to manipulate events in such a way as to subtly force Modoka into accepting the contract. Everybody else is just gravy.

 

[ItsaRandomUsername]

The whole anime is basically how the little horror is trying to manipulate events in such a way as to subtly force Modoka into accepting the contract. Everybody else is just gravy.

Out of...Context. What's that got to do with anything - aside from the fact that this is also a Puella Magi Madoka Magica discussion as well, that is.

 

[Tsuki_CB]

Just pointing out how the abomination likes to go after what it really wants. Lies by omission and manipulation of environment and people is a rather involved process.

 

[nick012000]

The way I see it, Sakura will likely end up resembling a textbook example of how the Incubator's plan works, unfortunately. And she'll end up meeting one of the two ends that awaits a magical girl. I doubt she ever will truly find out what she got herself into. Unless Archer (who does know about Incubator for story-related reasons) spills beans, which he just might not if he finds out about her Contract, ergo finding out it's too late to help her. Sad, really...I like the sound of that.

Of course, the fact that this IS a Grail War and that Sakura will reclaim ownership of Rider as a result of her wish will also play a role in the story. Perhaps we could expect to see Rider go up against a Witch or two...perhaps.

But yeah, this won't end well.

Well, the Soul Gem does possess the magical power to create weapons; Shirou might well be able to analyze what it is and how it works at a glance. He'd almost certainly be able to tell how their magic works as soon as he sees the weapons of a transformed Puella Magi.

Hell, for that matter, stumbling into a Witch's labyrinth might well help him in awakening UBW as he starts seeing the visions of it like he did during his fight with Archer in the UBW route.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Why is it everybody seems to think selling your soul for a limited time power up, I.E. as long as you're alive, is a good thing? You realize that once it's all over you pretty much cease to exist right?

So would I just kill my self and move on to whatever afterlife, in this case Nasu afterlife is reincarnation I believe, instead of getting a cheap power up for momentary comfort and then have my soul eaten by some kinda eldritch abomination, or used to destroy to world? You bet I would, my only regret would not being able to laugh as the baddies plans get screwed up.

The thing is, though, the Nasuverse doesn't have an afterlife. Not a true one, anyway. Whilst souls get reused, it's made quite clear that it's not "reincarnation" in the usual sense, because the soul is just wiped clean and reused, with no relation to the original owner of that soul.

Notably, Ky?ko hung on as a Magical Girl for several year without to much trouble, and could have hung on longer if she didn't learn to care about others.

Yeah, but we're talking about Sakura here. She cares a lot about others, especially Shirou.

The price is your existence, soul and true freedom since you do have to fight against the witches, you have no choice in this.

Sakura has no real "existence" and certainly no freedom, and her soul would only get wiped when she died anyway. So, what has she lost, really?

I'm pretty sure Soul Gems don't work that way, although that is a funny thought.

Not even a Deus Sex Machina can save her!
Sakura instead gets love-love with Ayako-senpai.

I can't imagine that there isn't some way out. Even if the characters in the original story fail to achieve it, I would imagine that they'll at least have it dangled in front of them at some point.

I also doubt Rule Breaker's effectiveness on a Puella Magi contract, too. It's not exactly...magical? I think. I might be wrong come later episodes, but it seems more akin to funky meta-science. Although if the wording of "Contract" includes ANY AND ALL, and not just of the thaumaturgical kind, then that could work.

I'm not remotely convinced of this.

It turns things back into their "original state", so if you stabbed e.g. the soul container with it it would probably return the girl to normal. Also, I recall reading that magic works in a way that even QB and his race don't truly understand.

The problem here is that you're mixing two universes with fundamentally incompatible rules for magic and souls. So, in the end it depends which onw you pick.

...sorry Sakura. You ain't getting out of this that easy. It was YOUR wish, you know.

I'm guessing I'm not going to like this fic very much....

*Caster stabs Studio DEEN*

*Studio DEEN loses the rights to the Fate/Stay Night anime*

That's a "mundane" contract.
Somehow...Doesn't feel right....

Well, you're making the usual false assumption that Rule Breaker only works to break contracts.

It doesn't. The magic of Rule Breaker has fuck all to do with contracts, it works to counter any kind of magic, returning the magically affected item to its original state.

So, no, stabbing QB with it won't work, but stabbing Sakura (or her soul gem) with it might, because it will return her to her "original, non magically-altered form", which is as a normal human.

In the end, it depends on how the magic of the Nasuverse interacts with that of QB's universe. And, from what I can tell, what QB uses is actually magic (they don't understand it one bit), so it should be breakable using Rule Breaker, probably. In the end, though it's down to whether you want her to be saveable or whether you're just trying to make everyone miserable.

The way I see it, Sakura will likely end up resembling a textbook example of how the Incubator's plan works, unfortunately. And she'll end up meeting one of the two ends that awaits a magical girl. I doubt she ever will truly find out what she got herself into.

Well, that's quite possible. It depends on how much, if anything, he tells her by default, and how much she asks. She's not stupid, but at the same time if there's no reason to ask, then she won't ask.

Unless Archer (who does know about Incubator for story-related reasons) spills beans, which he just might not if he finds out about her Contract, ergo finding out it's too late to help her. Sad, really...I like the sound of that.

I think he'd try to help her find a way out of it, actually.

Of course, the fact that this IS a Grail War and that Sakura will reclaim ownership of Rider as a result of her wish will also play a role in the story. Perhaps we could expect to see Rider go up against a Witch or two...perhaps.

Well, it depends on what you intend to do with her.

But yeah, this won't end well.

So, I'm guessing I need not bother to read this one, then....

 

[ItsaRandomUsername]

Hope springs eternal.

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...If you wish for it.

:3


But seriously, this could go either way until we know for sure that there is or is not a way out.

 

[Ragnarock]

Hope springs eternal.

:3

. . . . . I'm getting a very, very bad feeling about this . . . .

I want to know something, under what genre would this fic fall under? Tragedy/Adventure?

 

[AlfheimWanderer]

Someone call for Magical Girl uniforms?

 

[Avider]

Lies!

Those are swimsuits with skirts!

 

[AlfheimWanderer]

...I fail to see how that's a negative B)

 

[trevelyan1983]

Lies!

Those are swimsuits with skirts!

Worked for Fate. Can't all be Nanoha, after all.

 

[tudor.dediu]

I just had a moment of Fridge Logic.
IIRC, the whole Nasuverse is based the idea of opposition/symbiosis between the two Governing Forces on Earth: Gaia and Arayashiki. The purpose behind those two is to maintain balance at any cost.
In other words, I think that the presence of a little pest that tampers with the flow of souls (not to mention siphons energy) would bring the agents of BOTH Forces upon him like a ton of bricks. This means the Heroic Spirits, the True Ancestors, eight Eldritch Abominations and any Magus worth a damn. To start with.
The thought of all those going to...ehm, deal with the problem fills me with much joy :evil2:

 

[ragnarok1337]

I just had a moment of Fridge Logic.
IIRC, the whole Nasuverse is based the idea of opposition/symbiosis between the two Governing Forces on Earth: Gaia and Arayashiki. The purpose behind those two is to maintain balance at any cost.
In other words, I think that the presence of a little pest that tampers with the flow of souls (not to mention siphons energy) would bring the agents of BOTH Forces upon him like a ton of bricks. This means the Heroic Spirits, the True Ancestors, eight Eldritch Abominations and any Magus worth a damn. To start with.
The thought of all those going to...ehm, deal with the problem fills me with much joy :evil2:

Yay death for QB!

 

[trevelyan1983]

Yeah, Gaia and Alaya care about what happens to humans.

That's why our friend and protector Primate Murder is so enthusiastic about his job.

No, seriously, there's a problem of scale here. Gaia rejects unnatural phenomenon, so for QB to exist and continue to exist, that means he's accepted by Gaia. No luck there. Alaya, as I recall, only comes into play where large threats to humankind are in the offing. One or two little girls per month for X decades is too small-scale to trip that alarm.

That implies, to me, that QB knows exactly how far he can push, and just which forces he's meddling with.

 

[lask]

As of the last epesode... Kyubey has killed the world in one timeline. Also, Shirou needs to talk to Homura about how one should value themselves, because she doesn't get it.

 

[tudor.dediu]

Alaya, as I recall, only comes into play where large threats to humankind are in the offing. One or two little girls per month for X decades is too small-scale to trip that alarm.

As of the last epesode... Kyubey has killed the world in one timeline.

I would appreciate if you also specified what you understand by "last episode" (9 or 10, that is still raw). I can't recall such event, but then again, I haven't seen episode 10 yet. If that holds, though, here's your large-scale crisis, Trev.
I should have mentioned, that was only worst-case scenario (or best-case, depending on the point of view). I had written it purely for catharsis. It may or may not apply.

On the other hand there is one important prerequisite for Kyubey's little scheme to work: no outside interference. Here's a list of possible dangers to his plans:

*all those annoying Magi that want to dissect him

*all those annoying Magi that manage to destroy Witches, thus becoming a viable alternative for defense

*all those annoying Magi that, by analisys, may understand what his plan is, how to counter it and, in the best case, how to stop the corruption and implement their own version of the process


Honestly speaking, do you really believe the casualties would be "one or two little girls per month"? When Kyubey told Madoka about small sacrifices in episode 9, he may have well spoken on the galactic scale, or further. You know, such a scale that would consider six billion plus to be a small number.
Also, the guy believes in the laws of thermodynamics at a universal level. Even leaving aside the flaws in his explanation (which may or may not be plotholes), in such a setting as the Nasuverse, even the most incompetent Mage would shake their head in pity, chastise him for being wasteful and explain just WHERE he got it wrong and how pretty much everything he does is redundant.

 

[trevelyan1983]

Alaya, as I recall, only comes into play where large threats to humankind are in the offing. One or two little girls per month for X decades is too small-scale to trip that alarm.

As of the last epesode... Kyubey has killed the world in one timeline.

I would appreciate if you also specified what you understand by "last episode" (9 or 10, that is still raw). I can't recall such event, but then again, I haven't seen episode 10 yet. If that holds, though, here's your large-scale crisis, Trev.

Yes, that would qualify.

So, Alaya drops a Counter Guardian on him, QB dies alongside a great swathe of downtown Tokyo, then another QB comes into play?

That'd be a neat little explanation for why and how QB's clone-hopping routine came about. Kind of Roa, even.

 

[lask]

Epesode ten is the story of how Homura goes from a shy awkard geeky sickly meganekko to... Homura. In it, we see several timelines (with Madoka seemingly becoming more powerful in each one). In the last one, Madoka was seemingly so powerful that she killed Walpurgis Night in a single attack, but she was also so strong that there was no way to halt her decent into witchhood, and she was soon going to transform into the witch Brocken Spectre, who would kill the earth within the next ten days.

 

[Cherry_lover]

Wow, is that the ending, or is that just a potential bad future?

Because if that's how it ends in canon, then I think I'll give this fic a miss....

 

[lask]

Homura has the power to reverse time to a cirtain point in the past whenever she fail's to save her one true lov... Madoka... No, I was right the first time. It really happened, whether her timetravel replaces the timeline or creates alternate timelines is unknown.

That is to say, it really happened, but so did several other horrible futures. What will be the 'final' future, well, we have two epesodes left.