Sailor Moon Question about canon Sailor Moon
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You have 9 girls and only one with a real male love interest, of course there's bound to be the possibility of some experimentation going on in there!
Also, Seiya, you posted a link in one of the other topics to a list of all the differences between anime and manga and what factually occurred in each, could you post that again please? I cannot find it.
Also, Seiya, you posted a link in one of the other topics to a list of all the differences between anime and manga and what factually occurred in each, could you post that again please? I cannot find it.
Both Red Moon by Fire and On A Clear Day You Can See Forever by Mark MacKinnon contain S&M and whip using Minako. The later is also over running with lesbian sub (and not so sub by the end) text. Both are very good if you want to see that kind of thing (and also if you don't; they are probably my top two Sailor Moon fics. The first because its just really, really funny and the second because of the shear quality and world building).
Well let me see if I have most of the differences between the first couple of arcs down pat.
In manga continuity, the Four Generals were under Endymion's service, before being brainwashed or defecting willingly to Beryl. I think it was mentioned that Venus killed Beryl, but I might be wrong here. Queen Serenity basically only sealed away Metallia, while sending the souls of allies and enemies both to the future. The four generals and Beryl grow up normally, until Beryl awakens her memories on an expedition to the North Pole. In anime continuity, the Dark Kingdom is entirely sealed away instead of actually having most of its top members killed off.
The whole thing with the cats I mentioned before. Endymion/Tuxedo Kamen is more badass in the manga, and Mamoru is actually relatively close to Usagi's age (3 grades apart, instead of him being in university). The personalities of the generals as well, along with the personalities of the Senshi to an extent (ie. no angry Rei, mostly because the anime had a lot more time to do character development). Tuxedo Kamen's identity is revealed to the Senshi a lot later in the anime. The whole travelling to the Moon segment is done differently, as well as the final showdown with Beryl and Metallia. Sailor V operated entirely in Japan in the manga, while the anime has an episode that says she was in London for at least part of that time. Venus played the part of the decoy as a false Princess Serenity in the manga, but not in the anime.
I think that's fairly exhaustive, though I'm sure there are more.
Also, out of curiosity, is Hotaru's true age ever given? Is she actually supposed to be 12 at the time of introduction?
In manga continuity, the Four Generals were under Endymion's service, before being brainwashed or defecting willingly to Beryl. I think it was mentioned that Venus killed Beryl, but I might be wrong here. Queen Serenity basically only sealed away Metallia, while sending the souls of allies and enemies both to the future. The four generals and Beryl grow up normally, until Beryl awakens her memories on an expedition to the North Pole. In anime continuity, the Dark Kingdom is entirely sealed away instead of actually having most of its top members killed off.
The whole thing with the cats I mentioned before. Endymion/Tuxedo Kamen is more badass in the manga, and Mamoru is actually relatively close to Usagi's age (3 grades apart, instead of him being in university). The personalities of the generals as well, along with the personalities of the Senshi to an extent (ie. no angry Rei, mostly because the anime had a lot more time to do character development). Tuxedo Kamen's identity is revealed to the Senshi a lot later in the anime. The whole travelling to the Moon segment is done differently, as well as the final showdown with Beryl and Metallia. Sailor V operated entirely in Japan in the manga, while the anime has an episode that says she was in London for at least part of that time. Venus played the part of the decoy as a false Princess Serenity in the manga, but not in the anime.
I think that's fairly exhaustive, though I'm sure there are more.
Also, out of curiosity, is Hotaru's true age ever given? Is she actually supposed to be 12 at the time of introduction?
I don't have a DnD Sailor Moon Licensed book... but I do have Big Eyes Small Mouth.
Hmm... lets see, BESM has a tri stat system, Body, Mind and Soul... Usagi has 4, 3 and 11 respectively... which, for each, is the human average, below human average, and legendary, respectively. If Usagi had higher Soul, which in this case is the inner self and willpower, she'd be unmatched in the universe... she'd be freaking Simon the Digger in terms of willpower. By comparison, Rei has only 8 Soul, and the only other person who has a stat that high is Ami, with 10 in mind, which aside from intelligence, is quick thinking, Safir, who has the same score, and Death Phantom, who has 11 in mind (Although the list only goes up to the end of Death Phantom in terms of stats).
A high Soul stat must make you a love magnet.
Hmm... lets see, BESM has a tri stat system, Body, Mind and Soul... Usagi has 4, 3 and 11 respectively... which, for each, is the human average, below human average, and legendary, respectively. If Usagi had higher Soul, which in this case is the inner self and willpower, she'd be unmatched in the universe... she'd be freaking Simon the Digger in terms of willpower. By comparison, Rei has only 8 Soul, and the only other person who has a stat that high is Ami, with 10 in mind, which aside from intelligence, is quick thinking, Safir, who has the same score, and Death Phantom, who has 11 in mind (Although the list only goes up to the end of Death Phantom in terms of stats).
A high Soul stat must make you a love magnet.
She doesn't turn characters Gay or Straight. They become <a href='http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SingleTargetSexuality' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Usagi-Sexual.</a> In one alternate timeline Commander Shepard is her grandchild, which explains why Asari tend to throw themselves at the Commanders feet.
Well, it seems safe to assume that the ending of Sailor V takes place before the start of BSSM with no overlapping of the two timelines, given that the first chapter shows a headline about Sailor V foiling a heist, while Umino mentions it's rumoured that she works as a special agent with the police, which would pair up with the last few pages of CSV
OK, I read a couple of the arcs over again, and with all the events of CSV fresh in my head I think there actually is a fairly reasonable timeline that can be made. For some reason I thought Japanese school students had only a one-month break, which isn't true. That was the big stumbling block for me earlier, but now that I know otherwise, it can be wrapped up more neatly. Key to this is that Japan has two separate blocks of school vacation, basically a month in March and a month in August.
In Chapter 1, Minako says that she just started her first year of middle school. Japan's school year starts in April and goes up until the end of July, where they then have a one-month summer break up to the end of August, during which time she goes to Greece in Chapter 7.
Chapter 9 is stated to be shortly before Valentine's Day, so nearly a full year has gone by since the start of Chapter 1. Chapter 10 takes place basically right after Chapter 9, with a scene with Artemis analysing the Rainbow Candy dropped by Ace, and he says there's been little activity going on for quite a while, with Minako not even taking her compact at times.
She would get a brief break from March to early April, after which she comes back to school and then Nyannyan makes her attack. Several chapters go by, up until the Ace arc, which would take place during the August break. Since it's during the summer break, there's no apparent fuss from her parents about her auditioning for a film and going to China. At the start of Chapter 15, Minako mentions that she is in the 'middle' of 7th grade. Starting the school year in April and doing 4 out of 10 months of schooling for the year (April-July) would basically put her halfway through the year.
The only problem is that Minako is stated to be 13 at the start of Code Sailor V, at the start of April, while she's supposed to be 14 when she first shows up in BSSM. This can be solved by the start of BSSM (being in late March) overlapping with after Chapter 10 of Codename Sailor V. This is rather unlikely if Venus is to 'search for the other guardians' at the end of the series, as well as taking on a special agent role with the police department, which gets referenced at the beginning of BSSM Act 1. Not to mention she uses the Game Crown Center hideout in Chapter 15, so overlapping timelines would run her the risk of being discovered by the other girls.
The more likely answer though is that since CSV was the original manga storyline, but wrapped up much later deep into BSSM's run, a few elements will be out of sync. In this case, Minako's age at the start of CSV can just be retconned to be 12 and the start of BSSM will be basically nearly 2 years after CSV, making her 14 when she shows up as Sailor Venus.
On the other hand, Minako states consistently throughout the entire run of the manga that she is 13 years old, even though she must have gone through at least one birthday (October 22nd) so that might just be a non-aging character trope.
so in a nice point form (I have no idea the year BSSM is supposed to start in, I'll just assume 1992):
April 1990 - Minako starts first year of middle school, meets Artemis, becomes Sailor V
August 1990 - Chapter 7, Minako goes to Greece for vacation and fights the Dark Agency there
September 1990-January 1991 - DA activity declines, Sailor V fades from the spotlight during this time
Late January/Early February 1991 - Chapter 9 and 10, Kaitou Ace is first introduced
April 1991 - Minako begins her second year of middle school, she fights Nyannyan and later the other two siblings
August 1991 - Ace arc in China
March 1992 - Start of BSSM
In Chapter 1, Minako says that she just started her first year of middle school. Japan's school year starts in April and goes up until the end of July, where they then have a one-month summer break up to the end of August, during which time she goes to Greece in Chapter 7.
Chapter 9 is stated to be shortly before Valentine's Day, so nearly a full year has gone by since the start of Chapter 1. Chapter 10 takes place basically right after Chapter 9, with a scene with Artemis analysing the Rainbow Candy dropped by Ace, and he says there's been little activity going on for quite a while, with Minako not even taking her compact at times.
She would get a brief break from March to early April, after which she comes back to school and then Nyannyan makes her attack. Several chapters go by, up until the Ace arc, which would take place during the August break. Since it's during the summer break, there's no apparent fuss from her parents about her auditioning for a film and going to China. At the start of Chapter 15, Minako mentions that she is in the 'middle' of 7th grade. Starting the school year in April and doing 4 out of 10 months of schooling for the year (April-July) would basically put her halfway through the year.
The only problem is that Minako is stated to be 13 at the start of Code Sailor V, at the start of April, while she's supposed to be 14 when she first shows up in BSSM. This can be solved by the start of BSSM (being in late March) overlapping with after Chapter 10 of Codename Sailor V. This is rather unlikely if Venus is to 'search for the other guardians' at the end of the series, as well as taking on a special agent role with the police department, which gets referenced at the beginning of BSSM Act 1. Not to mention she uses the Game Crown Center hideout in Chapter 15, so overlapping timelines would run her the risk of being discovered by the other girls.
The more likely answer though is that since CSV was the original manga storyline, but wrapped up much later deep into BSSM's run, a few elements will be out of sync. In this case, Minako's age at the start of CSV can just be retconned to be 12 and the start of BSSM will be basically nearly 2 years after CSV, making her 14 when she shows up as Sailor Venus.
On the other hand, Minako states consistently throughout the entire run of the manga that she is 13 years old, even though she must have gone through at least one birthday (October 22nd) so that might just be a non-aging character trope.
so in a nice point form (I have no idea the year BSSM is supposed to start in, I'll just assume 1992):
April 1990 - Minako starts first year of middle school, meets Artemis, becomes Sailor V
August 1990 - Chapter 7, Minako goes to Greece for vacation and fights the Dark Agency there
September 1990-January 1991 - DA activity declines, Sailor V fades from the spotlight during this time
Late January/Early February 1991 - Chapter 9 and 10, Kaitou Ace is first introduced
April 1991 - Minako begins her second year of middle school, she fights Nyannyan and later the other two siblings
August 1991 - Ace arc in China
March 1992 - Start of BSSM
So I finally read through the Dark Kingdom arc all the way through, re-reading early parts of it.
So let me get this straight - Minako shuts down the Dark Agency pretty much entirely by herself, kills Zoicite, kills Beryl both in the past AND the present, and even beats up Makoto under her brief control by the Dark Kingdom, while untransformed, and fends off evil Tuxedo Mask, and on top of that is also a special police agent.
How the HELL does she get gypped so much in fanfics?
Wait, lemme guess. The anime completely flanderized her ditziness and most fanfic writers are basing their stories off anime personalities.
Also, what exactly are supposed to be the canonical hair colours of Usagi, Chibi-Usa, and Princess Serenity? Usagi shows up on one of the chapter covers with pink hair, Chibi-Usa makes a cover appearance with platinum blond hair, and Serenity shows up once with blonde hair. I'm guessing the pink Usagi is just a one-off.
And again, just so that I'm clear on this: manga-wise, the Earth was the only body capable of sustaining life on its own, with the Moon Kingdom being sustained by magic (Usagi with Serenity's memories mentions at one point that on the Earth, she can feel the wind and smell the sea salt, things which she couldn't do on Earth, and Queen Serenity later said she would 'seal' away the Moon, which suggests it needed magic to be livable), while the other planets were similar to the Moon or had castles orbiting around it ala Venus?
Finally, since I read the last few chapters all at once, I want to see if this version of events is correct:
Following Endou (possessed Endymion) breaking into the underground base, Beryl shows up and attacks the Senshi, with Venus killing Beryl, only for Endou to grab Venus and Moon and warp to the North Pole.
The other three Senshi follow to the North Pole, and the cats teleport in later while staying behind at the Crown Game Center at first. There, the Senshi encounter Metaria after fighting Endou, and once the Silver Crystal grows, Metaria envelops Moon, Endymion and the Silver Crystal, goes to the surface, and spreads out across the Earth like a dark cloud.
At this point, all the other Senshi return to Tokyo where they fight against Metaria again. The cats go to the Moon.
I think that's the correct sequence, correct? That they go from the CGC --> North Pole --> back to Tokyo?
And going by the end of Act 14, the Dark Kingdom arc must lead directly into Black Moon with no break in between.
So let me get this straight - Minako shuts down the Dark Agency pretty much entirely by herself, kills Zoicite, kills Beryl both in the past AND the present, and even beats up Makoto under her brief control by the Dark Kingdom, while untransformed, and fends off evil Tuxedo Mask, and on top of that is also a special police agent.
How the HELL does she get gypped so much in fanfics?
Wait, lemme guess. The anime completely flanderized her ditziness and most fanfic writers are basing their stories off anime personalities.
Also, what exactly are supposed to be the canonical hair colours of Usagi, Chibi-Usa, and Princess Serenity? Usagi shows up on one of the chapter covers with pink hair, Chibi-Usa makes a cover appearance with platinum blond hair, and Serenity shows up once with blonde hair. I'm guessing the pink Usagi is just a one-off.
And again, just so that I'm clear on this: manga-wise, the Earth was the only body capable of sustaining life on its own, with the Moon Kingdom being sustained by magic (Usagi with Serenity's memories mentions at one point that on the Earth, she can feel the wind and smell the sea salt, things which she couldn't do on Earth, and Queen Serenity later said she would 'seal' away the Moon, which suggests it needed magic to be livable), while the other planets were similar to the Moon or had castles orbiting around it ala Venus?
Finally, since I read the last few chapters all at once, I want to see if this version of events is correct:
Following Endou (possessed Endymion) breaking into the underground base, Beryl shows up and attacks the Senshi, with Venus killing Beryl, only for Endou to grab Venus and Moon and warp to the North Pole.
The other three Senshi follow to the North Pole, and the cats teleport in later while staying behind at the Crown Game Center at first. There, the Senshi encounter Metaria after fighting Endou, and once the Silver Crystal grows, Metaria envelops Moon, Endymion and the Silver Crystal, goes to the surface, and spreads out across the Earth like a dark cloud.
At this point, all the other Senshi return to Tokyo where they fight against Metaria again. The cats go to the Moon.
I think that's the correct sequence, correct? That they go from the CGC --> North Pole --> back to Tokyo?
And going by the end of Act 14, the Dark Kingdom arc must lead directly into Black Moon with no break in between.