Shokugeki no Souma
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No, she's just the token tsundere. Though I guess Nikumi sort of falls into that category also. Anyway, I like Erina and see no real reason why I shouldn't. She's the worst thing in the manga because she isn't already worshiping the ground the MC walks on? Nah. Besides, if these tag team Shokugeki are going to become a thing again, then Erina's the only potential love interest who can actually be Souma's equal in the kitchen and truly complement him rather than being a weakness he has to compensate for.
She's a Token tsundere with a holier than thou attitude who failed the MC on a class principle even if his cooking was good and could have cut his legs off right at the start if not for deus ex principal, she steps on other people's ambitions and dreams just to further her own goals and abandons the ones who worship her at the first failure like broken screwdrivers.
Yeah. Real likeable.
She's not a token tsundere, she's a villain.
Yeah. Real likeable.
She's not a token tsundere, she's a villain.
Meh. All villains have them. And yes, me too, I like her as a villain. Good villains make you dislike them. They're there for that reason.
It just angers me when people just see these kind of characters, especially girls, as just 'another tsundere' or 'another lovable crazy' waiting to be turned. Like the screw guy from Medaka. The guy was a great villain, but everyone saw him as anything but. And he eventually became anything but. That series sucked ass, in retrospect.
It just angers me when people just see these kind of characters, especially girls, as just 'another tsundere' or 'another lovable crazy' waiting to be turned. Like the screw guy from Medaka. The guy was a great villain, but everyone saw him as anything but. And he eventually became anything but. That series sucked ass, in retrospect.
If you don't see that Erina is going to be an (the) eventual love interest, then I don't quite know what to tell you. I don't really care whether it happens or not (would actually prefer no pairing at all to be honest), just calling it like I see it. And the girl is very tsundere for Souma, unless I am completely misreading her and I do not think that I am.
If it happens I'm going to drop the manga like a hot brick. And of course I saw it. The end of the first chapter was his father saying 'to be a good cook, find a person to cook for' and then BAM two pages of her. Of course I see it. But it doesn't make any sense, since she's a villain and she's not Tsundere, since there's no dere to be had. Just a high-class bitch being a high-class bitch -Damn, this food is good! But I can't admit it because it's been made by someone who isn't rich!- and trampling over everyone regardless of their standing or how much they did for her when it's convenient. She's not Tsundere for Souma, she's Tsundere for his cooking, and if the normal Tsundere stops at denial, Erina was ready to ruin his life as a chef.
She's a bad person who's only devoted to herself and her goals only, disregarding anything and anyone else. She's not a likeable person. She's not even Lawful Evil, she's True Neutral, the worst kind of selfish bitch.
She's a great villain, and I already know that eventually we're going to get some sob story about her past and upbringing to get her to be the love interest. When that happens I will roll my eyes, thank the manga for the memories, and drop it.
She's a bad person who's only devoted to herself and her goals only, disregarding anything and anyone else. She's not a likeable person. She's not even Lawful Evil, she's True Neutral, the worst kind of selfish bitch.
She's a great villain, and I already know that eventually we're going to get some sob story about her past and upbringing to get her to be the love interest. When that happens I will roll my eyes, thank the manga for the memories, and drop it.
I guess I just see her as a rival character more than a villain. I mean, right from the start the series has made it clear what kind of place Tootsuki is. It's a survival of the fittest environment, the strong consume the weak, the vast majority are mere stones to sharpen the select few who will graduate, so on and so forth. Erina was literally raised within that environment, to one day succeed her grandfather as its ruler. She might be a huntress that kills for pleasure as much as for food, but I don't really despise or love to hate her for that. The whole point is that, at Tootsuki as it is now, dreams are worthless without the strength to protect them. It's not a nice place, to the extent that I honestly thought it was utter BS that Souma and Megumi just lost a Shokugeki and walked away without any consequences. Hate the school and the atmosphere it sponsors rather than just dumping it all the dislike on the person who is more than anyone else a product of it, and hope that Souma eventually changes Tootsuki for the better I suppose.
I've probably just been reading too much Tower of God lately and tend to see Erina as what you would get if you transplanted Androssi Zahard into a cooking manga. I like Androssi, and so I also like Erina. Similar dog eat dog environments in those two series as well.
I've probably just been reading too much Tower of God lately and tend to see Erina as what you would get if you transplanted Androssi Zahard into a cooking manga. I like Androssi, and so I also like Erina. Similar dog eat dog environments in those two series as well.
I think you're being a bit harsh calling her a villain. The woman at the beginning was a certified villain, going so far as to have the kitchen destroyed just so she could try to force Souma to make a dish that he can't make and land the foreclosure. At best, Erina would probably be considered a rival (with much better connections and influence) to Souma, one who refuses to acknowledge him and his cooking skills due to his background and how she was raised. She'll deny herself having anything in common with him, with commoners, no matter how much she enjoyed it before knowing he likes it, too -- see her quickly throw away the idea of playing cards after Souma says he likes playing cards, despite it being her idea in the first place.
If anything, Erina's more like Asuka Sohryu-Langley transposed into a cooking manga. She's been bred to be the best, though I suspect the climb to this point was anything but a cakewalk. Oh yeah, she's a bitch, but there's more than likely a reason behind that bitchiness that the series will explore later. As far as pairings go, well, she's probably the only one that would make Souma happy enough to give her every horrific dish he has, due to her supremely sensitive tongue and her personality -- either she'll be able to dissect every bit of the morsels, which would kill the revolting effect, or she'll be hit with the revolting effect x 1000 and refuse to give into Souma's cooking on the other end of the spectrum... once she regains consciousness, that is.
(I think it'll be the former, but most would hope for the latter as revenge on her).
If anything, Erina's more like Asuka Sohryu-Langley transposed into a cooking manga. She's been bred to be the best, though I suspect the climb to this point was anything but a cakewalk. Oh yeah, she's a bitch, but there's more than likely a reason behind that bitchiness that the series will explore later. As far as pairings go, well, she's probably the only one that would make Souma happy enough to give her every horrific dish he has, due to her supremely sensitive tongue and her personality -- either she'll be able to dissect every bit of the morsels, which would kill the revolting effect, or she'll be hit with the revolting effect x 1000 and refuse to give into Souma's cooking on the other end of the spectrum... once she regains consciousness, that is.
(I think it'll be the former, but most would hope for the latter as revenge on her).
goldenarms said:
I think you're being a bit harsh calling her a villain. The woman at the beginning was a certified villain, going so far as to have the kitchen destroyed just so she could try to force Souma to make a dish that he can't make and land the foreclosure. At best, Erina would probably be considered a rival (with much better connections and influence) to Souma, one who refuses to acknowledge him and his cooking skills due to his background and how she was raised. She'll deny herself having anything in common with him, with commoners, no matter how much she enjoyed it before knowing he likes it, too -- see her quickly throw away the idea of playing cards after Souma says he likes playing cards, despite it being her idea in the first place.
If anything, Erina's more like Asuka Sohryu-Langley transposed into a cooking manga. She's been bred to be the best, though I suspect the climb to this point was anything but a cakewalk. Oh yeah, she's a bitch, but there's more than likely a reason behind that bitchiness that the series will explore later. As far as pairings go, well, she's probably the only one that would make Souma happy enough to give her every horrific dish he has, due to her supremely sensitive tongue and her personality -- either she'll be able to dissect every bit of the morsels, which would kill the revolting effect, or she'll be hit with the revolting effect x 1000 and refuse to give into Souma's cooking on the other end of the spectrum... once she regains consciousness, that is. (I think it'll be the former, but most would hope for the latter as revenge on her).
If anything, Erina's more like Asuka Sohryu-Langley transposed into a cooking manga. She's been bred to be the best, though I suspect the climb to this point was anything but a cakewalk. Oh yeah, she's a bitch, but there's more than likely a reason behind that bitchiness that the series will explore later. As far as pairings go, well, she's probably the only one that would make Souma happy enough to give her every horrific dish he has, due to her supremely sensitive tongue and her personality -- either she'll be able to dissect every bit of the morsels, which would kill the revolting effect, or she'll be hit with the revolting effect x 1000 and refuse to give into Souma's cooking on the other end of the spectrum... once she regains consciousness, that is.
(I think it'll be the former, but most would hope for the latter as revenge on her).
But I digress. Look at what she's doing to other people in the manga. Barring her mission to destroy other clubs just to improve her own standing, do I need to remind you the way she discarded Ikumi? The girl had been loyal to Erina to the point of fanatism but one failure, just one failure, and she discarded the girl like it was an used tissue. That's villain material.
I think this is the result of double standards, again. If she had been a boy, everyone would have agreed with me.
Erina can be summarized as such.
She is the Best. As in, she is part of the things Souma has to surpass in order to graduate from Tootsuki - not because he's weak or lacks skill, but because the Best are going to get all the spaces in the final score. Souma and the Polar Stars, as they are, simply won't graduate because they're too 'plebeian' in their own ways.
Erina is the most obvious example: she doesn't care about other people because, in theory, there shouldn't be anyone else. Only her, and herself only... but well, this is the problem with Tootsuki. It's the best and most of the graduates this far must have shared the same feelings as her - just look as the latest jerk, one who thinks that the only way to succeed is through an ideal, heartless recipe. The problem is, as stated, that this stamps out those who care more for the people eating the food than themselves.
She's not a full-on villain yet because she has not attempted to become the #1 of Tootsuki's Elites nor has she made more of a movement towards Souma's expelling, as she's content with him simply not surviving Tootsuki's requirements and losing at Shokugekis... but that does not make her any less of an antagonist yet. The situation with Nikumi is a bit extraordinary, but even then... she was the one who decided to have Souma quit if he lost, rather than Erina ordering her to.
Erina is more an obstacle than a villain, but regardless, she is not an ally nor a good person. Souma has to defeat her in a Shokugeki and prove to her that no, he is not a fluke, he is a damn good cook no matter where he came from and that she's a bitch who needs to stop obsessing about perfection just because of her stupid tongue.
She got rid of Nikumi because she doesn't understand what true friendship is, at worst, and at best never thought she was her friend, just someone to be used. Nikumi's better off without her, though she still would do with Erina's meat resources. But eh, that's life.
She is the Best. As in, she is part of the things Souma has to surpass in order to graduate from Tootsuki - not because he's weak or lacks skill, but because the Best are going to get all the spaces in the final score. Souma and the Polar Stars, as they are, simply won't graduate because they're too 'plebeian' in their own ways.
Erina is the most obvious example: she doesn't care about other people because, in theory, there shouldn't be anyone else. Only her, and herself only... but well, this is the problem with Tootsuki. It's the best and most of the graduates this far must have shared the same feelings as her - just look as the latest jerk, one who thinks that the only way to succeed is through an ideal, heartless recipe. The problem is, as stated, that this stamps out those who care more for the people eating the food than themselves.
She's not a full-on villain yet because she has not attempted to become the #1 of Tootsuki's Elites nor has she made more of a movement towards Souma's expelling, as she's content with him simply not surviving Tootsuki's requirements and losing at Shokugekis... but that does not make her any less of an antagonist yet. The situation with Nikumi is a bit extraordinary, but even then... she was the one who decided to have Souma quit if he lost, rather than Erina ordering her to.
Erina is more an obstacle than a villain, but regardless, she is not an ally nor a good person. Souma has to defeat her in a Shokugeki and prove to her that no, he is not a fluke, he is a damn good cook no matter where he came from and that she's a bitch who needs to stop obsessing about perfection just because of her stupid tongue.
She got rid of Nikumi because she doesn't understand what true friendship is, at worst, and at best never thought she was her friend, just someone to be used. Nikumi's better off without her, though she still would do with Erina's meat resources. But eh, that's life.
Honestly, the difference between Erina and Souma is simple in its philosophy. Erina was born and raised to be a chef/food critic, living for the presentation and some nebulous perfection in the culinary arts. Souma is a cook, a man who serves food for people to eat and enjoy. Can a chef's food be enjoyable for the customer? Of course it can, but the chef prepares food just as much for the visual flair as much as for the taste. A cook is likely to make a meal the people will finish, even in large proportions, and will more often cook something they'd eat themselves.
Honestly, there is no difference between the two when you boil it down.
They are both heirs to he two best chefs in the world (assuming that Souma's pops is 1 and Erina's is 2) and they inherited their egos. They just want to win and be the best that ever was. Since this is a Japanese manga drawn by a porn artist, we all know how it is going to go.
They are both heirs to he two best chefs in the world (assuming that Souma's pops is 1 and Erina's is 2) and they inherited their egos. They just want to win and be the best that ever was. Since this is a Japanese manga drawn by a porn artist, we all know how it is going to go.
And that character development consists of...? Blushing when Souma acts friendly to her even though she's still acting like the stuck-up princess she is? *sigh* Whatever. This discussion was a moot point from the beginning, I concede.
We shall all believe what we want, based on our beliefs. And I'm a guy who is all about only chances. You can only do wrong to me once, since I don't give second chances.
We shall all believe what we want, based on our beliefs. And I'm a guy who is all about only chances. You can only do wrong to me once, since I don't give second chances.
Your point is invalid.
At any rate, the audience is pretty aware of Erina's chances of becoming involved with the main character, and I'm certain those that read the series accept that it could happen. If you're only going to read this until Erina does deredere for Souma, with full knowledge that it's a possibility, you might want to just drop the series now and save yourself some bandwidth. I just find that kind of thinking to be weird. I don't go reading a series knowing that I'm going to drop it when X creeps up, not when I'm reading for myself, anyway. I can torture myself with bad stories for reviewing purposes, but not for my own enjoyment.
Sorry, I explained it in a bad way. I meant, I'm a guy who's for single chances. As in, you only get one one chance with me. I'm the most open and friendly of people, and I go in thinking all the best possible of a person, but they only get one strike to do something bad. After that, they lose my trust forever.
Your point is invalid.
At any rate, the audience is pretty aware of Erina's chances of becoming involved with the main character, and I'm certain those that read the series accept that it could happen. If you're only going to read this until Erina does deredere for Souma, with full knowledge that it's a possibility, you might want to just drop the series now and save yourself some bandwidth. I just find that kind of thinking to be weird. I don't go reading a series knowing that I'm going to drop it when X creeps up, not when I'm reading for myself, anyway. I can torture myself with bad stories for reviewing purposes, but not for my own enjoyment.
You never know. Mangaka have surprised us before. And I'm reading this mainly for the other characters, I must admit. Souma is typical hot blooded shonen protagonist number XYZ, but the people he interacts with create entertainment.
If what I fear will happen, I will drop the manga, just like I dropped Naruto when Sasuke came back. If something goes in a direction that I don't like, I'll just stop inflicting pain on myself and cherish the good parts that came before. It's that simple.
goldenarms said:
Your point is invalid.
At any rate, the audience is pretty aware of Erina's chances of becoming involved with the main character, and I'm certain those that read the series accept that it could happen. If you're only going to read this until Erina does deredere for Souma, with full knowledge that it's a possibility, you might want to just drop the series now and save yourself some bandwidth. I just find that kind of thinking to be weird. I don't go reading a series knowing that I'm going to drop it when X creeps up, not when I'm reading for myself, anyway. I can torture myself with bad stories for reviewing purposes, but not for my own enjoyment.
If what I fear will happen, I will drop the manga, just like I dropped Naruto when Sasuke came back. If something goes in a direction that I don't like, I'll just stop inflicting pain on myself and cherish the good parts that came before. It's that simple.
Volume 2 acquired! Hard cover is Nikumi being sexy, lol.
Not much to say as there weren't any additions like the last one... it has chapters 6-14, no side-stories or anything, and right after the cover page (with Erina in her cook outfit from the bust and up and oh wow she's really stacked) we get the character profiles for Souma, Erina, Megumi, Jouichirou and Erina's father. After chapter 6, 7, 8, and 14 we get the recipes for the many meals done this book, chapter 9 has a little image of Isshiki cooking with only boxers and an oni mask on his head, chapter 10 shows that Megumi's the one who fixed Konishi's haircut, and chapters 11 and 13 have 4komas showing Nikumi picking her outfit for the next day.
First one has her putting on a US Flag bra, then a jaguar-style bra, then a cowboy bra (with hat and neckthing), but she decides to go with the fire one in the end, while the second one has her putting on a full outfit, growing embarrassed by it, and throwing the jacket away only to realize she doesn't look half-bad with the shirt on.
And the last thing worth mentioning is that chapter 12 has a profile for Kawashimo Urara (the MC of the Shokugeki). Profiles in short order...
YUKIHIRA SOUMA - KOUTOU FU 1 NEN
Jikka no teishokuya wo tetsudai nagara, ryourinin no chichi wo koeru tame. Shugyoushuu datta ka, ryourigakkou e hennyuu suru koto ni. Tokidoki tsukuru shin kiku ryouri no ato wa ima ichi...?
NAKIRI ERINA - KOUTOU FU 1 NEN
Tootsuki Gakuen sousai - Nakiri Senzaemon no magomusume. Youshouki yori Nihonshou no meiten kara ojimiyaku wo irai sareru hodo no mikaku no mochimeshi. Saikou hettei kikan Tootsuki Jukketsu ni na wo tsurareru.
TADOROKO MEGUMI - KOUTOU FU 1 NEN
Chihau kara Tootsuki Gakuen e to yatte kita onna no ko. Koutoubu e no naibu shinkaku shiken de wa toudou no saikai. Souma to wa saisho no jugyou de nakayoku naru ga, tabitabi furi mawasaseru.
YUKIHIRA JOUICHIROU
Souma no chichioya. Jittamachi de teishokuya [Yukihira] wo keiei. Gensai wa omise wo kyougyoushi, sekaijuu de ude wo furuu.
NAKIRI SENZAEMON
Tootsuki Gakuen sousai. Nihon no ryouri kyoukai ni ooki na eikyouryoku wo motsu to iwareru. Kyouikuhaushin wa [Kyousou].
KAWASHIMO URARA - KOUTOU FU 1 NEN
Suki na han: [Hoshi no Ouji-sama] (jitsu wa yonda koto nai)
Suki na eiga: [Ameri] (Hontou wa [Tsuiken 2])
Shourai no yume: Oyome-san
'Deka chichi APIIRU shiten ja nee yo
'Jiguro HORUSUTAIN no onna gaaaaa!!
'Otoko ni chiyahoya saren no wa
'Watashi dakede ii no yo maji F**K!'
It was pre-censored already, not me.
Not much to say as there weren't any additions like the last one... it has chapters 6-14, no side-stories or anything, and right after the cover page (with Erina in her cook outfit from the bust and up and oh wow she's really stacked) we get the character profiles for Souma, Erina, Megumi, Jouichirou and Erina's father. After chapter 6, 7, 8, and 14 we get the recipes for the many meals done this book, chapter 9 has a little image of Isshiki cooking with only boxers and an oni mask on his head, chapter 10 shows that Megumi's the one who fixed Konishi's haircut, and chapters 11 and 13 have 4komas showing Nikumi picking her outfit for the next day.
First one has her putting on a US Flag bra, then a jaguar-style bra, then a cowboy bra (with hat and neckthing), but she decides to go with the fire one in the end, while the second one has her putting on a full outfit, growing embarrassed by it, and throwing the jacket away only to realize she doesn't look half-bad with the shirt on.
And the last thing worth mentioning is that chapter 12 has a profile for Kawashimo Urara (the MC of the Shokugeki). Profiles in short order...
YUKIHIRA SOUMA - KOUTOU FU 1 NEN
Jikka no teishokuya wo tetsudai nagara, ryourinin no chichi wo koeru tame. Shugyoushuu datta ka, ryourigakkou e hennyuu suru koto ni. Tokidoki tsukuru shin kiku ryouri no ato wa ima ichi...?
NAKIRI ERINA - KOUTOU FU 1 NEN
Tootsuki Gakuen sousai - Nakiri Senzaemon no magomusume. Youshouki yori Nihonshou no meiten kara ojimiyaku wo irai sareru hodo no mikaku no mochimeshi. Saikou hettei kikan Tootsuki Jukketsu ni na wo tsurareru.
TADOROKO MEGUMI - KOUTOU FU 1 NEN
Chihau kara Tootsuki Gakuen e to yatte kita onna no ko. Koutoubu e no naibu shinkaku shiken de wa toudou no saikai. Souma to wa saisho no jugyou de nakayoku naru ga, tabitabi furi mawasaseru.
YUKIHIRA JOUICHIROU
Souma no chichioya. Jittamachi de teishokuya [Yukihira] wo keiei. Gensai wa omise wo kyougyoushi, sekaijuu de ude wo furuu.
NAKIRI SENZAEMON
Tootsuki Gakuen sousai. Nihon no ryouri kyoukai ni ooki na eikyouryoku wo motsu to iwareru. Kyouikuhaushin wa [Kyousou].
KAWASHIMO URARA - KOUTOU FU 1 NEN
Suki na han: [Hoshi no Ouji-sama] (jitsu wa yonda koto nai)
Suki na eiga: [Ameri] (Hontou wa [Tsuiken 2])
Shourai no yume: Oyome-san
'Deka chichi APIIRU shiten ja nee yo
'Jiguro HORUSUTAIN no onna gaaaaa!!
'Otoko ni chiyahoya saren no wa
'Watashi dakede ii no yo maji F**K!'
It was pre-censored already, not me.
What? You were unimpressed by the obvious antagonists that make little effort to hide how much they want to defeat all the superior guys and have obviously underestimated Souma's true and legit skills? Why I never-!
...seriously, though, what do you mean with that? We don't really know what meals they're doing with their eggs, after all, and it's not like we don't know that everyone wants Souma to fail hardcore.
...seriously, though, what do you mean with that? We don't really know what meals they're doing with their eggs, after all, and it's not like we don't know that everyone wants Souma to fail hardcore.