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I like most of cordria's work he writes Danny Phantom fanfiction and while his early stories are ok his latter stuff is great he has two collection of oneshots Star Shots and Nova Shots which are pretty good but my favorite story form him is real life.Check them out and tell me what you think.
The hell is this?
How does this qualify as good fanfiction? Seriously wondering here. I know that good fanfiction has different meanings for everyone but how does a series of e-mails in a completely AU universe where Naruto characters are office workers count as good?
How does this qualify as good fanfiction? Seriously wondering here. I know that good fanfiction has different meanings for everyone but how does a series of e-mails in a completely AU universe where Naruto characters are office workers count as good?
I'd like to request the removal of <a href='http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6154638/1/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The Hill of Swords</a> from the C2. It's been one of the most divisive fics here and elsewhere; to sum up the issues, it plays a merry jig on Fate/stay night canon as the author never actually played the game, Sirou is wildly OOC to the point of unrecognizability even considering the AU timeline, and not a single thing has changed in the course of Zero no Tukaima events despite the major, major point of divergence. Grammatically it's borderline readable, showing constant homophone abuse and signs of relying on an automatic spelling and grammar checker. Despite all that, it somehow appeals to people, so I see flamewars on just about every forum I go to that follow it whenever a new chapter pops up. The sheer rancor around the fic is, I think, a good reason to exclude it.
It does not matter to me either way... but I will say this...
OOC Emiya or not (which the author explained in author notes, though fairly far in), it is well written in and of itself, it is long, it is active, and the story draws one in.
He even has managed to make me like Louise... I grant, a extremely changed Louise, but Louise nonetheless.
And for fics causing uproars... the talk on this one has been civil. Look at stories by Ozzallos that were posted here, for each update, you could count on several pages minimum of comments and arguing and outright flames and threats.
OOC Emiya or not (which the author explained in author notes, though fairly far in), it is well written in and of itself, it is long, it is active, and the story draws one in.
He even has managed to make me like Louise... I grant, a extremely changed Louise, but Louise nonetheless.
And for fics causing uproars... the talk on this one has been civil. Look at stories by Ozzallos that were posted here, for each update, you could count on several pages minimum of comments and arguing and outright flames and threats.
I absolutely loath Hill of Swords. I've also read enough of Gabriel Blessing works to know that though he can only write one voice, it is entertaining if the reader lets it.
I certainly won't object if it gets the boot, especially if it really follows ZNT cannon despite the wildly different protagonist, but I can't in all honesty says that this is a horrible fic.
I certainly won't object if it gets the boot, especially if it really follows ZNT cannon despite the wildly different protagonist, but I can't in all honesty says that this is a horrible fic.
Granted, HoS plays loose with characterisation and canon plots, but it still ranks within the top 1 percent of stories on FF net. If you can't manage to look past its problems, don't read it. The fact that there are people who scream and whine about its faults but continue to read it in order to whine should tell you that its worth keeping on the list.
And before you start... A good fifth of the stories on the list are pretty bad...
And before you start... A good fifth of the stories on the list are pretty bad...
In the first place it isn't EVEN on the C2.
In the second, I recommend that it be PLACED on the C2. It is a well-written alt continuity Emiya Shirou placed inside the world of ZnT. Violence played for jokes is occasionally taken too far but overall, a very very enjoyable read and head and shoulders above it all.
Edit: Bah, fine sent a PM to the C2's manager.
Edit Edit: I'm stating to wonder if that guy was just trolling or trying to get the fic on the C2 by using reverse psych.... dammit I gotta stop doing that to myself.
In the second, I recommend that it be PLACED on the C2. It is a well-written alt continuity Emiya Shirou placed inside the world of ZnT. Violence played for jokes is occasionally taken too far but overall, a very very enjoyable read and head and shoulders above it all.
Edit: Bah, fine sent a PM to the C2's manager.
Edit Edit: I'm stating to wonder if that guy was just trolling or trying to get the fic on the C2 by using reverse psych.... dammit I gotta stop doing that to myself.
I wouldn't recommend Hill of Swords except maybe as a parody.
I read it so that I don't become one of those people who complain about things they know nothing about. If we follow your logic, every fic in existence should be on the list because the detractors either don't read (and thus know nothing) it or continue to read it (and thus, allegedly secretly like it).
I read it so that I don't become one of those people who complain about things they know nothing about. If we follow your logic, every fic in existence should be on the list because the detractors either don't read (and thus know nothing) it or continue to read it (and thus, allegedly secretly like it).
Weird yes, but if only I had a penny every time someone said "You never even read/watched/played x, so obviously you can't dislike it!" or "If you didn't like it, why are you still reading/watching/playing x?".
I look at things, which can vary in seriousness and subject from Star Wars: The Phantom Menace to WWII and the Third Reich, and I see/feel that these things are somehow wrong or bad. But where most people would stop at that point, I feel the need to see exactly why these things are bad, in all the ways they're bad, and in each and every instance where you can say "Okay, that particular moment just made me hate this thing just a little bit more".
It's not something that's limited to things I dislike, of course. I like to gather every bit of information available on the things I like as well.
Basically, whenever I feel strongly enough about something, whether positive or negative, it sorta becomes my hobby for awhile. Or a new part of my hobby.
Granted, something like HoS would have just slipped off my radar after a while. . . if people weren't regularly bringing it up again. Every time someone posts about a new update, it's like the feeling I got when I heard a second plane crashed into the Towers. I don't want to see it, but at the same time, I kinda do, if only to see how bad it got.
Oh, and I hate leaving things unfinished.
I look at things, which can vary in seriousness and subject from Star Wars: The Phantom Menace to WWII and the Third Reich, and I see/feel that these things are somehow wrong or bad. But where most people would stop at that point, I feel the need to see exactly why these things are bad, in all the ways they're bad, and in each and every instance where you can say "Okay, that particular moment just made me hate this thing just a little bit more".
It's not something that's limited to things I dislike, of course. I like to gather every bit of information available on the things I like as well.
Basically, whenever I feel strongly enough about something, whether positive or negative, it sorta becomes my hobby for awhile. Or a new part of my hobby.
Granted, something like HoS would have just slipped off my radar after a while. . . if people weren't regularly bringing it up again. Every time someone posts about a new update, it's like the feeling I got when I heard a second plane crashed into the Towers. I don't want to see it, but at the same time, I kinda do, if only to see how bad it got.
Oh, and I hate leaving things unfinished.
People say that Hill of Swords is well-written in spite of butchering plot and characterization.
This shows a massive, massive, lack of comprehension.
A story that butchers plot and characterization, cannot, by definition, be well-written. It can be stylistically accomplished, in the sense that the writer has a good grasp on how to use the language to draw his or her readers in (but honestly, HoS doesn't even have that. Reading it over, the prose seems stilted and not particularly special) but it can't be well-written.
A story, after all, is defined by the tale it tells, the characters who participate in said tale, and how the tale is told. If it has no respect for the first two, then a story can't rise above the level of mere fluff.
This shows a massive, massive, lack of comprehension.
A story that butchers plot and characterization, cannot, by definition, be well-written. It can be stylistically accomplished, in the sense that the writer has a good grasp on how to use the language to draw his or her readers in (but honestly, HoS doesn't even have that. Reading it over, the prose seems stilted and not particularly special) but it can't be well-written.
A story, after all, is defined by the tale it tells, the characters who participate in said tale, and how the tale is told. If it has no respect for the first two, then a story can't rise above the level of mere fluff.
Eh, I don't have anything against it being placed.
It's pretty good excepting the mistakes, and the mistakes are only noticeable to those who know their material. As an expression of the author's knowledge and comprehension of Fate, it's pretty bad. As a story, it's fine.
Granted, I lost interest after the...I dunno was it the chapter where he first met Tiffania? Gave it a pretty good effort to keep my focus, but it didn't.
It's pretty good excepting the mistakes, and the mistakes are only noticeable to those who know their material. As an expression of the author's knowledge and comprehension of Fate, it's pretty bad. As a story, it's fine.
Granted, I lost interest after the...I dunno was it the chapter where he first met Tiffania? Gave it a pretty good effort to keep my focus, but it didn't.
Oh god, will this topic never die?
I was trying to ignore this topic with everything I had, but I guess I'll have to crawl out of my hole just to wrap my hands around its neck and lead it to a gentle slumber.
Ray, if you're going to speak up about something ten days after everyone stopped caring then at least make sure your point is accurate. It's not that HoS butchers plot and characterization, it's that it basically ignores the plot and the characterization of the works it's based on, which is a cardinal sin of fan fiction. Within its own boundaries, it's pretty consistent. Emiya's characterization is close enough that I can just shrug it off as an alternate dimension or something. HoS offends the sensibilities of the original series' fans, but as fiction it's not that bad.
It could be better. Gabriel's habit of skipping over events annoys me, especially if he's just going to narrate exactly what happened over the next few paragraphs. It makes the story move faster, but I don't really like it. His word choice isn't ideal either, but it certainly doesn't make my eyeballs bleed out.
In the end, it does manage to entertain, especially if you've never read The Familiar of Zero. It's kind of like Carrot's fics, only not as good.
I know I'm being caustic, but I was really hoping this topic would trip over a rock and fall into a vat of chemicals or something. I'm just pissed off that you revived the topic just to argue over the definition of an adjective.
Tch... bet my hole's gotten cold.
I was trying to ignore this topic with everything I had, but I guess I'll have to crawl out of my hole just to wrap my hands around its neck and lead it to a gentle slumber.
Ray, if you're going to speak up about something ten days after everyone stopped caring then at least make sure your point is accurate. It's not that HoS butchers plot and characterization, it's that it basically ignores the plot and the characterization of the works it's based on, which is a cardinal sin of fan fiction. Within its own boundaries, it's pretty consistent. Emiya's characterization is close enough that I can just shrug it off as an alternate dimension or something. HoS offends the sensibilities of the original series' fans, but as fiction it's not that bad.
It could be better. Gabriel's habit of skipping over events annoys me, especially if he's just going to narrate exactly what happened over the next few paragraphs. It makes the story move faster, but I don't really like it. His word choice isn't ideal either, but it certainly doesn't make my eyeballs bleed out.
In the end, it does manage to entertain, especially if you've never read The Familiar of Zero. It's kind of like Carrot's fics, only not as good.
I know I'm being caustic, but I was really hoping this topic would trip over a rock and fall into a vat of chemicals or something. I'm just pissed off that you revived the topic just to argue over the definition of an adjective.
Tch... bet my hole's gotten cold.
Hmm? Oh, I wasn't talking about the thread. I don't mind the thread. I get an email every time it updates so it's really convenient. If I did it with PMs then I'd have to delete my messages more often, which means more work for me.
No, I was talking about the debate around the Hill of Swords, which needed to die back in the update thread.
No, I was talking about the debate around the Hill of Swords, which needed to die back in the update thread.