Naruto The Naruto Question Thread

[ankokudaishogun]

Naruto just copied Sasuke on the spot, how are either of them geniuses for doing it?

No, he didn't. Naruto _NEVER_ used the Kagebuy.
Naruto used a number of clones to reach the same result.
Naruto used the jutsu he's most familiar with and adapted it to his own use, which is cool in its own way but a different kind of cool than using a technique he never used before and adapting it to his own uses.

in the end, the Uzumaki Naruto Rendan is nothing more than Naruto using kage bunshin for a coordinated attack, not exactly something "new"

also based on Kakashi's favoritism at the time, which is emphasized very often during the Chunin exams.

Quoting everything else you did say(and I did totally forgot about the bears in Karin's flashback) but... Kakashi showing favoritism toward Sasuke? When?

 

[Altered Nova]

For reasons I never understood, Naruto had no problem telling Gaara he had a monster inside him despite having Shikamaru standing right behind.

I've always wondered why Shikimaru didn't react to that. He's a swell, laid back guy and he wouldn't hold that against Naruto, but you'd think there'd at least be a raised eyebrow or something. Did he just not understand the implications of what Naruto was saying? Had he already figured it out before?

 

[ankokudaishogun]

For reasons I never understood, Naruto had no problem telling Gaara he had a monster inside him despite having Shikamaru standing right behind.

I've always wondered why Shikimaru didn't react to that. He's a swell, laid back guy and he wouldn't hold that against Naruto, but you'd think there'd at least be a raised eyebrow or something. Did he just not understand the implications of what Naruto was saying? Had he already figured it out before?

most likely, he didn't care because Naruto was a fine lad, so, who cares you have a monster inside you as long you don't make a mess? Aburames have insects inside them!

 

[Bill Felix]

Naruto just copied Sasuke on the spot, how are either of them geniuses for doing it?

No, he didn't. Naruto _NEVER_ used the Kagebuy.
Naruto used a number of clones to reach the same result.
Naruto used the jutsu he's most familiar with and adapted it to his own use, which is cool in its own way but a different kind of cool than using a technique he never used before and adapting it to his own uses.

in the end, the Uzumaki Naruto Rendan is nothing more than Naruto using kage bunshin for a coordinated attack, not exactly something "new"

Make less sense.

There's no genius at work here. Sasuke copied a move and then improvised his own finish. Which, with the Sharingan, isn't that impressive. You're praising Sasuke for being able to think on his feet, which seems fairly basic for a ninja and something he can do well specifically because of his eyes.

Considering that all martial arts is just a series of pre-existing moves strung together, I'm going to ignore that dumbass comment about how a coordinated attack isn't a new technique.


Not that it matters anyway because nothing Sasuke or Naruto did were works of genius.

 

[jyusan]

also based on Kakashi's favoritism at the time, which is emphasized very often during the Chunin exams.

Quoting everything else you did say(and I did totally forgot about the bears in Karin's flashback) but... Kakashi showing favoritism toward Sasuke? When?

Never mind.

Other than assigning Ebisu as Naruto's teacher, who he doesn't seem to know is a complete idiot, and the times where he lectures Gai and Jiraiya about irresponsibly teaching forbidden moves, which despite being a bit hypocritical isn't actually wrong, all of the more legitimate concerns are either me remembering wrong or just a result of anime flanderizing everyone.

On the other hand, a positive result of reading through most of the chunin exam it that I'm almost positive that Kabuto is a dumbass that doesn't understand how weapons work.

He tries to stab Sasuke in the either the collarbone or chest with a curved kunai in a manner almost perpendicular to Sasuke's ribs, all while holding it backwards and in a reverse grip. Even as a distraction, either Kabuto is an idiot, Kakashi doesn't understand physics and anatomy, or Kishimoto just wanted to draw a curved blade and couldn't get the perspective right.

Also, Kakashi flies in to attack from the <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-94-6/naruto/chapter-89.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>wrong direction</a> compared to where he was standing.

Even the Corpse that Kabuto was remote controlling seems to have <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-94-7/naruto/chapter-89.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>no clue what's going on</a>

 

[evantide1]

Other than assigning Ebisu as Naruto's teacher, who he doesn't seem to know is a complete idiot, and the times where he lectures Gai and Jiraiya about irresponsibly teaching forbidden moves, which despite being a bit hypocritical isn't actually wrong, all of the more legitimate concerns are either me remembering wrong or just a result of anime flanderizing everyone.

Ebisu specializes in basics. Naruto's basics, at that moment, were pretty bad. Kakashi also didn't expect Naruto to even come close to a draw, much less a win. It was supposed to be a learning experience, not an authentic chance at promotion.

Kakashi lecturing is actually understandable. Gates can and will fuck the user up bad when used improperly. Lee had no reason or need for the Gates as a Genin since they aren't supposed to be fighting enemies that require that much power to take down.

The same circumstance for Naruto's Rasengan. Naruto had no need for something that strong. His opponents in the Exams wouldn't have required him using a OHKO move on them nor did Kakashi have any reason to suspect Naruto would need that much power before the Sasuke Rescue Arc. Getting a bad first C rank mission, fighting in a village-wide invasion, and meeting 3 S-rank missing-nin before becoming Chunnin are rare occurrences, based on the reactions of other ninjas. Using those as references for what should be taught to Naruto would have seemed like an overkill reaction to horrendous luck.

In the entire finals, only Sasuke was under a legitimate death threat if he couldn't kill his opponent, especially with what others had already described as an impenetrable shield. Sasuke legitimately needed something powerful to let him survive his match while Naruto didn't.

It actually makes sense, when you read the context, that Kakashi would berate the others about teaching dangerous techniques. There was no identifiable reason for Lee and Naruto to have A-rank techs while Sasuke does, based on the knowledge Kakashi has of the situation.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Sasuke copied a move and then improvised his own finish.

Sasuke did manage to use a move that required massive physical training, in a very disadvantageous situation, on a live opponent and then he did made a finisher for it.

It's not easy to make a finisher for a very taxing move you learned less than 5 days before.
That's why he's hailed as very talented: give a "normal" shinobi suddenly the ability to use Kagebuy and he will NOT be able to make use of it effectively, ESPECIALLY not in the conditions Sasuke was in.

Being a good martial artist is not simply know many different moves, but know how and when chain them together. You need A LOT of practice to use a new move after you learned it. The fact Sasuke did manage to make one in less than 5 days is enough to hail him as very talented at very least.

Not that it matters anyway because nothing Sasuke or Naruto did were works of genius.

True.

Other than assigning Ebisu as Naruto's teacher, who he doesn't seem to know is a complete idiot,

Ebisu is a SPECIAL JONIN who, by the way, was assigned by the Hokage to train Konohamaru. Yeah, a closed pervert, but not an idiot.
Either that or Sarutobi and Kakashi both are idiots.

the times where he lectures Gai and Jiraiya about irresponsibly teaching forbidden moves,

Being a hypocrite doesn't make him biased.
Also, Chidori is not a kinjutsu that harms the body of the user, and until the hospital Sasuke did use it with responsibility, while the first time he see Naruto using the Rasengan, he's using it against a fellow Konoha-nin.

At best, one can say he could have trained Naruto while Sasuke was hospitalized, but it's actually suggested he was training himself during that time. And he still gave Naruto the substitute teacher better suited to Naruto's long-run needs(aka BASICS), then left him to Jiraiya

Kabuto is a dumbass that doesn't understand how weapons work.

Most likely, he was just fucking around for shit and giggles

 

[Bill Felix]

Sasuke copied a move and then improvised his own finish.

Sasuke did manage to use a move that required massive physical training, in a very disadvantageous situation, on a live opponent and then he did made a finisher for it.

It's not easy to make a finisher for a very taxing move you learned less than 5 days before.
That's why he's hailed as very talented: give a "normal" shinobi suddenly the ability to use Kagebuy and he will NOT be able to make use of it effectively, ESPECIALLY not in the conditions Sasuke was in.

Being a good martial artist is not simply know many different moves, but know how and when chain them together. You need A LOT of practice to use a new move after you learned it. The fact Sasuke did manage to make one in less than 5 days is enough to hail him as very talented at very least.

You're exaggerating and it's turning into a Sasuke-wank.

First, Sasuke is already a martial artist. Not a martial artist of Lee's caliber, but he has physical conditioning and knows taijutsu. It's not like he's never used martial arts before.

Second, that move doesn't require massive physical training because Sasuke used it without massive physical training. There's no amount of genius that suddenly gives your body more muscle mass when you need it. Meaning that it was well within Sasuke's capabilities to use it from the beginning. The reason Gai forbade it was because Lee's version of it looked like it was meant to kill someone, not because it was SUPER ADVANCED!!1?!

Third, Sasuke had previous experience with the move. It's not like he watched Lee give it to Naruto and copied it before ever attempting to do it. Sasuke was on the receiving end of it. So besides having the Sharingan to analyze it, he also experienced it firsthand.


Sasuke's endurance was the only thing that was impressive here because he was working against the Cursed Seal at the time.

 

[jyusan]

Being a hypocrite doesn't make him biased.

That's what I said. It's hypocritical, but not exactly wrong, and probably one of the best choices given the situation. After the one on one fights, Kakashi even notes that he believes that Gai made the right choice when training Lee after considering all of the facts.

Of course, this was after Kakashi told Naruto in no uncertain terms that using Kinjutsu regardless of the cost was a terrible idea, but it's the internal monologue that counts.

The same circumstance for Naruto's Rasengan. Naruto had no need for something that strong. His opponents in the Exams wouldn't have required him using a OHKO move on them nor did Kakashi have any reason to suspect Naruto would need that much power before the Sasuke Rescue Arc

Rasengan was after exams were over for one thing. Kakashi didn't seem to notice that Jiraiya took over Naruto's training until Gamabunta showed up during the invasion. The problem comes in when you realize that by the time Naruto returns to fight Sasuke, Kakashi got mindraped into the ground by Uchiha Fucking Itachi, who specifically asked where Naruto was. At the very least, Naruto would need the ability to protect himself, and although the Rasengan logically couldn't provide it by any means, Kakashi saying that Naruto had no business learning it seems like a double-standard at best, seeing as the justification for Sasuke learning Chidori was Guess What? To protect himself from a vastly superior opponent that could kill him by blinking too hard.

 

[Shirotsume]

also based on Kakashi's favoritism at the time, which is emphasized very often during the Chunin exams.

Quoting everything else you did say(and I did totally forgot about the bears in Karin's flashback) but... Kakashi showing favoritism toward Sasuke? When?

Never mind.

Other than assigning Ebisu as Naruto's teacher, who he doesn't seem to know is a complete idiot, and the times where he lectures Gai and Jiraiya about irresponsibly teaching forbidden moves, which despite being a bit hypocritical isn't actually wrong, all of the more legitimate concerns are either me remembering wrong or just a result of anime flanderizing everyone.

On the other hand, a positive result of reading through most of the chunin exam it that I'm almost positive that Kabuto is a dumbass that doesn't understand how weapons work.

He tries to stab Sasuke in the either the collarbone or chest with a curved kunai in a manner almost perpendicular to Sasuke's ribs, all while holding it backwards and in a reverse grip. Even as a distraction, either Kabuto is an idiot, Kakashi doesn't understand physics and anatomy, or Kishimoto just wanted to draw a curved blade and couldn't get the perspective right.

Also, Kakashi flies in to attack from the <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-94-6/naruto/chapter-89.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>wrong direction</a> compared to where he was standing.

Even the Corpse that Kabuto was remote controlling seems to have <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-94-7/naruto/chapter-89.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>no clue what's going on</a>

Uh, Kabuto isn't using the knife right because if he DID he would stab himself.

The Kabuto you see is a fake. The ANBU he's about to stab? That's the real Kabuto.

 

[Knyght]

For reasons I never understood, Naruto had no problem telling Gaara he had a monster inside him despite having Shikamaru standing right behind.

I've always wondered why Shikimaru didn't react to that. He's a swell, laid back guy and he wouldn't hold that against Naruto, but you'd think there'd at least be a raised eyebrow or something. Did he just not understand the implications of what Naruto was saying? Had he already figured it out before?

I'd go with the former. I doubt the kids around Naruto's know anything about the Bijuu other than the Kyuubi attacking when they were babies.

Shikamaru likely had no idea what Naruto meant and then everything that came afterwards pushed it out of his mind.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

. Kakashi didn't seem to notice that Jiraiya took over Naruto's training until Gamabunta showed up during the invasion.

I think he did discover it during the month before the public exam.

and although the Rasengan logically couldn't provide it by any means,

so...
Rasengan to Naruto: useless to deal with opponents of Itachi's caliber: all fine and well
Chidori to Sasuke: actually effective against Gaara: no it's wrong?

That said, Jiraiya didn't expect Naruto to master the Rasengan, in the begin(not in so little time, at least). It was more of a trick to have him train chakra control.

While Kakashi in the begin wasn't even thinking of giving Sasuke the Chidori, most likely he was training him to survive Gaara while giving out a good show.... then Gaara did appear before them stating he would kill Sasuke and Kakashi had to change the plan

First, Sasuke is already a martial artist. Not a martial artist of Lee's caliber, but he has physical conditioning and knows taijutsu. It's not like he's never used martial arts before.

So you are saying a Judo expert can master and integrate a Systema move easily just because he's an expert martial artist and had physical conditioning?

Second, that move doesn't require massive physical training because Sasuke used it without massive physical training.

actually, Sasuke HAD massive physical training. Lee had even more than him, which is scary.

Please note how Guy himself states even copying it with the sharingan, Kagebuy is not something you can master easily

The reason Gai forbade it was because Lee's version of it looked like it was meant to kill someone, not because it was SUPER ADVANCED!!1?!

Guy did forbid it because it's a FORBIDDEN TECHNIQUE with side effects for the body.

Sasuke himself cannot use it on a regular basis(at that point in time) because his body wasn't strong enough to deal with the stress

 

[jyusan]

. Kakashi didn't seem to notice that Jiraiya took over Naruto's training until Gamabunta showed up during the invasion.

I think he did discover it during the month before the public exam.

and although the Rasengan logically couldn't provide it by any means,

so...
Rasengan to Naruto: useless to deal with opponents of Itachi's caliber: all fine and well
Chidori to Sasuke: actually effective against Gaara: no it's wrong?

That said, Jiraiya didn't expect Naruto to master the Rasengan, in the begin(not in so little time, at least). It was more of a trick to have him train chakra control.

While Kakashi in the begin wasn't even thinking of giving Sasuke the Chidori, most likely he was training him to survive Gaara while giving out a good show.... then Gaara did appear before them stating he would kill Sasuke and Kakashi had to change the plan

Now you're just ignoring what I said.

There was no real reason to say that Sasuke didn't need the Chidori to protect himself from Gaara. That should be obvious to anyone who even noticed Gaara's death threats and just general personality at that time. On the other side of the coin though, Kakashi has no leg to stand on against Jiraiya. He was well and fully aware that if nothing else, at least two S-rank criminals were specifically after Naruto.

Naruto learning the Rasengan, although not enough to protect himself from Itachi, was enough for him to blast Kabuto halfway across the battlefield.

Are you trying to imply that there is no problem in Kakashi implying that Sasuke needs to protect himself but Naruto isn't mature enough to do the same? Directly after two of his subordinates knowingly attempted to use lethal attacks on each other, as a direct result of interpersonal issues that he never bothered to address?

I certainly hope that you don't deal with children.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

Are you trying to imply that there is no problem in Kakashi implying that Sasuke needs to protect himself but Naruto isn't mature enough to do the same? Directly after two of his subordinates knowingly attempted to use lethal attacks on each other, as a direct result of interpersonal issues that he never bothered to address?

Nah. I think Kakashi was thinking something like "Dude, Naruto did just show he isn't responsible enough for Rasengan! Same for Sasuke and Chidori, in fact I'm going to scold him right now".
Also, he might have thought now he had the Rasengan, Naruto might have tried to fight back people he should just run away from: unlike Sasuke, Naruto seems to lack a self-conservation instinct. This is just speculation from my part, though.

for Kakashi not addressing Sasuke's and Naruto's relationship... well, they were actually (relatively) FINE until him and Sasuke got Tsukuyomi'd, and even then he was going to do something about it(as he did assure Sakura) as soon as he got back from a mission. It's not like something catastrophic could happen in just one day, in the middle of the village right? Right?

 

[seitora]

I can't particularly recall, was Naruto 100% using the Rasengan for a killing move on that strike? Jiraiya showed us the Rasengan could be used pretty much as a ball of momentum and not for grinding when he blew back the 'former chunin of Iwa' mook, while the Chidori literally requires a stabbing motion and has electricity sparking all around. Granted, Naruto probably couldn't control the Rasengan well enough to make it all non-lethal.

 

[Altered Nova]

The rasengan is easy to make non-lethal. Simply don't completely form it. If you only do the first two steps (rotation and power) and skip the final step (compression) it will explode on impact and throw the victim spinning through the air without grinding their internal organs to paste. That's what Jiraiya did to that "former chuunin of Iwa".

Of course, considering how the water tower Kakashi deflected Naruto into was basically annihilated by the rasengan, I think it's safe to say he wasn't holding back.

 

[Shirotsume]

Honestly, the way it looks to me is that Naruto used the Rasengan to suck in the fire justsu Sasuke used so he wouldn't, you know, burn to death. He was making no gesture to use it offensively until Sasuke charged up a chidori- hell, he was holding it BEHIND him.

 

[TC_Hazard]

I can't particularly recall, was Naruto 100% using the Rasengan for a killing move on that strike? Jiraiya showed us the Rasengan could be used pretty much as a ball of momentum and not for grinding when he blew back the 'former chunin of Iwa' mook, while the Chidori literally requires a stabbing motion and has electricity sparking all around. Granted, Naruto probably couldn't control the Rasengan well enough to make it all non-lethal.

Like it has been pointed out, given what happened to the water tank, yeah, that would have definitely been lethal if it had hit.

 

[Samurai Jackson]

Honestly, the way it looks to me is that Naruto used the Rasengan to suck in the fire justsu Sasuke used so he wouldn't, you know, burn to death. He was making no gesture to use it offensively until Sasuke charged up a chidori- hell, he was holding it BEHIND him.

This. He only used it in the first place as a defense against Sasuke's wide scale fire jutsu that wiped out the rest of his clones. He probably would've even released it had Sasuke not escalated things by forming Chidori.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Honestly, the way it looks to me is that Naruto used the Rasengan to suck in the fire justsu Sasuke used so he wouldn't, you know, burn to death. He was making no gesture to use it offensively until Sasuke charged up a chidori- hell, he was holding it BEHIND him.

This. He only used it in the first place as a defense against Sasuke's wide scale fire jutsu that wiped out the rest of his clones. He probably would've even released it had Sasuke not escalated things by forming Chidori.

To be fair, they are ninja. They can take some fire. They could take been smashed against trees with enough force to break said trees, and plenty of other stuff that would be kill a normal human several times over. So I don't really see, the use of a fire jutsu as quite that bad.

 

[Dumbledork]

Is Naruto's sexy jutsu formed ever called Naruko in the manga or anime or is it a fanon invention?

 

[trevelyan1983]

Is Naruto's sexy jutsu formed ever called Naruko in the manga or anime or is it a fanon invention?

Never called that in the manga. It's just an insidious bit of faggotry from Ranma.

 

[Dumbledork]

The curious thing is that Naruko is included in the character list in the Naruto section on ff.net. It also seems to be very popular. Just look at the number of Naruko fics.

 

[The Eromancer]

So fannon has created a character that most idiots will actually think is cannon, great. <_<

 

[seitora]

The Harry Potter section actually has a character slot for 'O.C.'