Naruto The Naruto Question Thread
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"Multiple affinities" isn't that special, anyway - Jounin typically gain proficiency in more than one element as part of their qualification for the rank. Kakashi has shown proficiency in Earth and Water as well as Lightning. Asuma was shown using Fire in addition to Wind. Orochimaru uses whatever the fuck he feels like - although he seems to have a preference for Earth, when we first see him. Sasuke is quite capable of Fire as well as Lightning.
The implication that Sarutobi spent the time necessary to learn elemental manipulation of all four elements is . . . well, about what you'd expect from a guy with titles like Professor and God of Shinobi. Although, we only every saw him use Earth and Fire, as I recall.
My interpretation is that people could learn to manipulate any element they wanted, but they'll have a stronger affinity for one or two of the elements. Given how long it's supposed to take to learn elemental recomposition, only bothering to pursue the affinities you're best at is the better use of time and energy.
The implication that Sarutobi spent the time necessary to learn elemental manipulation of all four elements is . . . well, about what you'd expect from a guy with titles like Professor and God of Shinobi. Although, we only every saw him use Earth and Fire, as I recall.
My interpretation is that people could learn to manipulate any element they wanted, but they'll have a stronger affinity for one or two of the elements. Given how long it's supposed to take to learn elemental recomposition, only bothering to pursue the affinities you're best at is the better use of time and energy.
trevelyan1983 said:
Just checked that myself - you're right. 
Which is weird - I read the manga before I saw any of the anime, and yet the anime is what I remember better.
Which is weird - I read the manga before I saw any of the anime, and yet the anime is what I remember better.
Here's a subjective question: Would mastering the nature transformations make a difference to an elemental combination such as Hyouton, Mokuton, Youton etc?
This isn't brought up in the manga so I was wondering what people thought.
knight504 said:
trevelyan1983 said:
Just checked that myself - you're right.
Which is weird - I read the manga before I saw any of the anime, and yet the anime is what I remember better.
Which is weird - I read the manga before I saw any of the anime, and yet the anime is what I remember better.
Here's a subjective question: Would mastering the nature transformations make a difference to an elemental combination such as Hyouton, Mokuton, Youton etc?
This isn't brought up in the manga so I was wondering what people thought.
No, I was referring to people who are born with the elemental kekkei genkai i.e. if they mastered both nature transformations, would it have any effect of their combination jutsu?
And all elements are able to combine given you have the right DNA. Though, seeing what Onoki and Muu can do, it's possible there's a method to learn to combine them.
Possible, but to what level? Their bloodline should allow them to instinctively combine the elements but that doesn't necessarily mean they have a fully mastery over it.
And even though they can automatically use the combination, it may not be instinctive for them to use one nature transformation by itself. For example, despite Haku being able to create ice instinctively, he may not immediately be able to cut a leaf in half with wind chakra.
To use a rather poor analogy, it would be like a ninja learning the water-walking exercise before the tree-walking exercise. They wouldn't immediately know how to tree walk despite being able to do something far more difficult though they would learn to do it faster than usual.
And all elements are able to combine given you have the right DNA. Though, seeing what Onoki and Muu can do, it's possible there's a method to learn to combine them.
Possible, but to what level? Their bloodline should allow them to instinctively combine the elements but that doesn't necessarily mean they have a fully mastery over it.
And even though they can automatically use the combination, it may not be instinctive for them to use one nature transformation by itself. For example, despite Haku being able to create ice instinctively, he may not immediately be able to cut a leaf in half with wind chakra.
To use a rather poor analogy, it would be like a ninja learning the water-walking exercise before the tree-walking exercise. They wouldn't immediately know how to tree walk despite being able to do something far more difficult though they would learn to do it faster than usual.
If he can use Ice instinctively, then yes, he can also use water and wind. <a href='http://www.mangareader.net/93-321-6/naruto/chapter-316.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>There is no such thing as "ice" element chakra. There is only water and wind being used simultaneously, one in each hand.</a>
This is also why Haku was able to use water jutsu with one-handed seals. That seems to be something only a Kekkei-Genkai user can do, judging by how shocked Kakashi was by it.
Also, in the anime only flashback to Haku's youth, his bloodline was found out because he was manipulating water. But that was anime-only (in the manga he just talked about it, we didn't see a flashback) so I don't know how much that counts.
This is also why Haku was able to use water jutsu with one-handed seals. That seems to be something only a Kekkei-Genkai user can do, judging by how shocked Kakashi was by it.
Also, in the anime only flashback to Haku's youth, his bloodline was found out because he was manipulating water. But that was anime-only (in the manga he just talked about it, we didn't see a flashback) so I don't know how much that counts.
I don't think I'm explaining myself well and I used a faulty example in my last post.
I'm emphasizing on the "mastering" of nature transformation. Step 1 is reinforcing the nature transformation (being able to cut a leaf all the way through), step 2 is increasing the amount you can produce in an instant (cutting a waterfall in half) and step 3 implements it into a jutsu (though that last step is unnecesary in this case).
Sticking with Haku, he'd know how to transform it into wind chakra automatically so, unlike Naruto, he wouldn't need to figure out how to "make his chakra as sharp and thin as possible" since its comes naturally. What I'm questioning is far how could he take that. Could he cut the leaf in half and cut the waterfall in one try? Would he still need the training but simply progress far faster than usual?
Hopefully that doesn't sound like a mountain of babble.
(And on a related note, despite having two kekkei genkai, <a href='http://i11.mangareader.net/naruto/575/naruto-3089323.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Terumi was about to use a Suiton jutsu using both hands.</a>)
I'm emphasizing on the "mastering" of nature transformation. Step 1 is reinforcing the nature transformation (being able to cut a leaf all the way through), step 2 is increasing the amount you can produce in an instant (cutting a waterfall in half) and step 3 implements it into a jutsu (though that last step is unnecesary in this case).
Sticking with Haku, he'd know how to transform it into wind chakra automatically so, unlike Naruto, he wouldn't need to figure out how to "make his chakra as sharp and thin as possible" since its comes naturally. What I'm questioning is far how could he take that. Could he cut the leaf in half and cut the waterfall in one try? Would he still need the training but simply progress far faster than usual?
Hopefully that doesn't sound like a mountain of babble.
(And on a related note, despite having two kekkei genkai, <a href='http://i11.mangareader.net/naruto/575/naruto-3089323.jpg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Terumi was about to use a Suiton jutsu using both hands.</a>)