I've been playing with that idea in my head. I say that nature transformation frees you from needing a source to manipulate for elemental techniques. However, it has the drawback of requiring more chakra. Makes it interesting when high tier ninja are playing mindgames around jutsu arsenal, stamina and chakra conservation, element matchups and the like.
Naruto The Official Third Naruto Databook and First Naruto Fanbook Thread
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I found an interesting translation from the Second Fanbook with some tidbits I haven't seen before:
The Shinobi World War Secret Files (pp. 112–115)
Hidden files of fierce battles, now revealed——
The Shinobi World War Secret Files
—The Shinobi World Wars—
——This is the history of the most sinful and blood-smeared wars of the world of shinobi…!!
↓ Without a doubt, the shinobi world wars were hell!! Even the surviving shinobi were heavily affected…!!
[picture of Itachi amongst the destruction caused by SWWIII]
It has been about sixty years since the birth of the 'Five Great Shinobi Countries'. The history of the shinobi's wars has been repeated again and again. Amongst them are the 'shinobi world wars', which involved the entire shinobi world and led to many casualties. These wars broke out thrice and brought together all of the power held by the various countries' hidden villages. On top of the innumerable amount of corpses, today's stability was built.
The conflicts of the Great Five Shinobi Countries called out the troubles of the entire shinobi world!!
Playing a central role in the shinobi world wars, the countries called the 'Great Five Shinobi Countries' hold massive funds and resources. In exchange for economic support from the great countries, like goods and money, the various hidden villages put everything on the line to fight as their military force. Within the shinobi world, the influence of the five great countries was tremendous, and the great countries' intentions spread to all countries and people. Especially the villages that did not receive aid from the great countries were left violently ruined by the war, and because of looting by the aggressors, the damage even reached civilians.
[picture of Yahiko saying he'll change his country and save everyone]
↑ The 'war orphans' lost both their parents to the shinobi world wars. Their many fates were all disastrous…!!
(The Second Shinobi World War)
[picture of the young Sannin]
â†â†“Situated in-between Konoha, Iwa, and Suna, the village of Amegakure, became the site of a bloody battle where the three village fought ruthlessly!!
[picture of HanzÅ]
The seriously wounded Five Great Shinobi Countries ended the First Shinobi World War with an armistice treaty. For a while, there was peace. However, about twenty years after the war, the economic disparity between the countries grew more and more severe. Using the 'expansion of fair interests' as a pretext, war factions began to rise amongst the nations. Territorial expansion through the use of military force grew. The gruesome Second Shinobi World War had begun.
→↓ Tsunade's grief over losing her lover gave birth to the development of present-day medical ninjutsu.
[picture of a desperate Tsunade]
[picture of a dying Dan]
(The Third Shinobi World War)
The damage done by the Second Shinobi World War had been enormous for all nations. Because of a decline in national power, the reign of the Five Great Countries was crumbling. Along their borders, skirmishes with smaller nations broke out all the time. The prolonged war gradually spread its fires far and wide, until at last it developed into the Third Shinobi World War. This war turned into an unprecedented war of attrition, tormenting all nations with a shortage of war potential. Not even excepting a great power like Konoha, very young children were thrown unto the battlefield, losing their short lives.
[picture of waiting Iwanin]
↑ Iwagakure's master hand was their invasion of Kusagakure, which allowed them to advance to the border with the Land of Fire. They were welcomed with an attack by Konoha shinobi!! With the pride and rise or fall of their villages on the line, a fierce battle ensued…!!
//Many shinobi organisations were also created…!! During the great wars, people appeared who formed shinobi organisations, collecting their characteristic military power.
During battles for supremacy, they became useful as valued war potential, but too much power was regarded as dangerous and was even destroyed…
The shinobi who did the best during the wars would be remembered as 'heroes'.
â— Hero biography 1
[Konoha's Yellow Flash]
…Minato Namikaze
[picture of Minato saving Kakashi while tagging Mahiru]
↑→ His high-speed battle techniques, based on 'space–time ninjutsu', could not be seen through, even by skilled shinobi.
[picture of Minato about to kill Mahiru]
â— Hero biography 2
[Konoha's White Fang]
…Sakumo Hatake
→ He was such a powerful man that it was said that even the 'Legendary Sannin' paled before him. He is Kakashi's father.
[picture of Sakumo]
â— Hero biography 3
[HanzÅ of the Salamander]
→ The head of the old Amegakure. Clear-headed and with many techniques under his control, his name was known throughout the shinobi world!!
[picture of HanzÅ]
The world before the shinobi world wars
Before the establishment of the hidden villages, there was an era of unending conflict, called the 'Warring States Period'[1]. During this time, shinobi organisations were little more than armed groups based on clans. The countries, intent on expanding their interests and territory, employed them individually, causing war everyone to go on and on…!!
[picture of a blood-spattered map]
↑ More than eighty years ago, the world was in chaos.
The mystery-ridden First Shinobi World War
The 'First Shinobi World War' was the first great war after the Five Great Shinobi Countries were established. Because the outbreak of the war had thrown the entire shinobi world back into chaos, there are only few records concerning the war. One thing is certain: after the war, many tactics were born from the experiences of the war. These form the foundation of current battles…!!
→ The shinobi killed in the line of duty during the war had their names inscribed on the memorial stone as heroes.
[picture of Kakashi at the memorial]
The Shinobi World War Secret Files (pp. 112–115)
Hidden files of fierce battles, now revealed——
The Shinobi World War Secret Files
—The Shinobi World Wars—
——This is the history of the most sinful and blood-smeared wars of the world of shinobi…!!
↓ Without a doubt, the shinobi world wars were hell!! Even the surviving shinobi were heavily affected…!!
[picture of Itachi amongst the destruction caused by SWWIII]
It has been about sixty years since the birth of the 'Five Great Shinobi Countries'. The history of the shinobi's wars has been repeated again and again. Amongst them are the 'shinobi world wars', which involved the entire shinobi world and led to many casualties. These wars broke out thrice and brought together all of the power held by the various countries' hidden villages. On top of the innumerable amount of corpses, today's stability was built.
The conflicts of the Great Five Shinobi Countries called out the troubles of the entire shinobi world!!
Playing a central role in the shinobi world wars, the countries called the 'Great Five Shinobi Countries' hold massive funds and resources. In exchange for economic support from the great countries, like goods and money, the various hidden villages put everything on the line to fight as their military force. Within the shinobi world, the influence of the five great countries was tremendous, and the great countries' intentions spread to all countries and people. Especially the villages that did not receive aid from the great countries were left violently ruined by the war, and because of looting by the aggressors, the damage even reached civilians.
[picture of Yahiko saying he'll change his country and save everyone]
↑ The 'war orphans' lost both their parents to the shinobi world wars. Their many fates were all disastrous…!!
(The Second Shinobi World War)
[picture of the young Sannin]
â†â†“Situated in-between Konoha, Iwa, and Suna, the village of Amegakure, became the site of a bloody battle where the three village fought ruthlessly!!
[picture of HanzÅ]
The seriously wounded Five Great Shinobi Countries ended the First Shinobi World War with an armistice treaty. For a while, there was peace. However, about twenty years after the war, the economic disparity between the countries grew more and more severe. Using the 'expansion of fair interests' as a pretext, war factions began to rise amongst the nations. Territorial expansion through the use of military force grew. The gruesome Second Shinobi World War had begun.
→↓ Tsunade's grief over losing her lover gave birth to the development of present-day medical ninjutsu.
[picture of a desperate Tsunade]
[picture of a dying Dan]
(The Third Shinobi World War)
The damage done by the Second Shinobi World War had been enormous for all nations. Because of a decline in national power, the reign of the Five Great Countries was crumbling. Along their borders, skirmishes with smaller nations broke out all the time. The prolonged war gradually spread its fires far and wide, until at last it developed into the Third Shinobi World War. This war turned into an unprecedented war of attrition, tormenting all nations with a shortage of war potential. Not even excepting a great power like Konoha, very young children were thrown unto the battlefield, losing their short lives.
[picture of waiting Iwanin]
↑ Iwagakure's master hand was their invasion of Kusagakure, which allowed them to advance to the border with the Land of Fire. They were welcomed with an attack by Konoha shinobi!! With the pride and rise or fall of their villages on the line, a fierce battle ensued…!!
//Many shinobi organisations were also created…!! During the great wars, people appeared who formed shinobi organisations, collecting their characteristic military power.
During battles for supremacy, they became useful as valued war potential, but too much power was regarded as dangerous and was even destroyed…
The shinobi who did the best during the wars would be remembered as 'heroes'.
â— Hero biography 1
[Konoha's Yellow Flash]
…Minato Namikaze
[picture of Minato saving Kakashi while tagging Mahiru]
↑→ His high-speed battle techniques, based on 'space–time ninjutsu', could not be seen through, even by skilled shinobi.
[picture of Minato about to kill Mahiru]
â— Hero biography 2
[Konoha's White Fang]
…Sakumo Hatake
→ He was such a powerful man that it was said that even the 'Legendary Sannin' paled before him. He is Kakashi's father.
[picture of Sakumo]
â— Hero biography 3
[HanzÅ of the Salamander]
→ The head of the old Amegakure. Clear-headed and with many techniques under his control, his name was known throughout the shinobi world!!
[picture of HanzÅ]
The world before the shinobi world wars
Before the establishment of the hidden villages, there was an era of unending conflict, called the 'Warring States Period'[1]. During this time, shinobi organisations were little more than armed groups based on clans. The countries, intent on expanding their interests and territory, employed them individually, causing war everyone to go on and on…!!
[picture of a blood-spattered map]
↑ More than eighty years ago, the world was in chaos.
The mystery-ridden First Shinobi World War
The 'First Shinobi World War' was the first great war after the Five Great Shinobi Countries were established. Because the outbreak of the war had thrown the entire shinobi world back into chaos, there are only few records concerning the war. One thing is certain: after the war, many tactics were born from the experiences of the war. These form the foundation of current battles…!!
→ The shinobi killed in the line of duty during the war had their names inscribed on the memorial stone as heroes.
[picture of Kakashi at the memorial]
The whole economic disparity triggering the second war is interesting. Reminds me of how the Wind Daimyo was giving all his mission requests to Konoha, causing Suna to attack out of desperation. I wonder which country or countries was/were gaining too much of an economic superiority at that time? Konoha?
The "Many shinobi organisations" bit caught my attention too. I guess Akatsuki was just the most successful of many.
The "Many shinobi organisations" bit caught my attention too. I guess Akatsuki was just the most successful of many.
It could be anyone, we know so little. I'd be amused if the Fourth Kazekage was partially to blame when he discovered his gold dust-manipulation Magnet Release, but he was probably too young when it all started.
I wonder if it actually meant hidden villages when it says shinobi organizations. Having a war on could cause relatively defenseless nations or individual to realise that they don't have the strength to stand against the hidden villages so they decide to create their own in response.
But my first thought was organisation like Akatsuki. War makes money, I guess, so a different ninja probably ended up forming groups with their own goals to take advantage of it. It sounds like they might have operated like the pre-bijuu hunting Akatsuki where a nation or village hires them for a job that they don't have the manpower to do themselves (or don't want to be associated with). Looks like some got wiped out in return which suggests they could actually be pretty dangerous. I wonder how many are still around.[Edit: Like the Prajna Group?]
Sakumo sounds like he could do the same as Hanzo and take on the Legendary Sannin himself. Which is pretty damn badass.
When it says Iwa invaded Kusagakure, d'you think they mean the hidden village or the nation? If they actually invaded the village then how are they still around since you'd think they'd be wiped out. At least if Iwa was able to use them as a stepping stone to get to the Land of Fire.
Interesting that one of the causes of the Third Shinobi War were that the Five Great Villages were losing their reputation and manpower. It also suggests the incredibly young age of the shinobi participating was because of that war specifically rather than something that happened in all of them.
I wonder if it actually meant hidden villages when it says shinobi organizations. Having a war on could cause relatively defenseless nations or individual to realise that they don't have the strength to stand against the hidden villages so they decide to create their own in response.
But my first thought was organisation like Akatsuki. War makes money, I guess, so a different ninja probably ended up forming groups with their own goals to take advantage of it. It sounds like they might have operated like the pre-bijuu hunting Akatsuki where a nation or village hires them for a job that they don't have the manpower to do themselves (or don't want to be associated with). Looks like some got wiped out in return which suggests they could actually be pretty dangerous. I wonder how many are still around.[Edit: Like the Prajna Group?]
Sakumo sounds like he could do the same as Hanzo and take on the Legendary Sannin himself. Which is pretty damn badass.
When it says Iwa invaded Kusagakure, d'you think they mean the hidden village or the nation? If they actually invaded the village then how are they still around since you'd think they'd be wiped out. At least if Iwa was able to use them as a stepping stone to get to the Land of Fire.
Interesting that one of the causes of the Third Shinobi War were that the Five Great Villages were losing their reputation and manpower. It also suggests the incredibly young age of the shinobi participating was because of that war specifically rather than something that happened in all of them.
So the First Great War was so damaging that very few records from that period even survived, and many new tactics and strategies were pioneered because it was the first time such large scale ninja battles had ever been fought. The war ended with an armistice treaty, but the economic disparity grew so large between nations that the losers started expanding their territory through the use of military force using the "expansion of fair interests" as a pretext. This led to the Second Great War.
Is it just me or does the events leading up to the second great ninja war sound awfully familiar to the events that led to the Second World War in real life? ...I wonder if the ninja world had their own Hitler analogue?
Is it just me or does the events leading up to the second great ninja war sound awfully familiar to the events that led to the Second World War in real life? ...I wonder if the ninja world had their own Hitler analogue?
The Daiymo or the village leader of the Land of the Sky, if it's canon? They apparently were able to challenge all 5 of the great hidden villages.
Seeing as the 2nd Mizukage was a Hozuki, it's likely that it was the 3rd Mizukage (who we know absolutely nothing about) that started the bloodline purges.
Seeing as the 2nd Mizukage was a Hozuki, it's likely that it was the 3rd Mizukage (who we know absolutely nothing about) that started the bloodline purges.
Wait a minute, you guys are talking about the bloodline purges as if they were started by a Mizukage and have been going on for generations. You got any citations for that?
Cause the only mention I can find of persecution of bloodline users is in Haku's backstory, and that was a case of civilian killing his wife who was a civilian survivor of a bloodline clan and then attempting to kill his own civilian child. The anime expanded on that backstory but even then it was still a mob of civilians who attempted to kill Haku, no ninja were involved.
So as far as I can tell, there is no direct evidence of any Mist ninja ever directly persecuting bloodline limit carriers. In fact the reason bloodline users are so hated seems to be because ninja keep using them in the countless civil wars that have devastated the nation, and there's the fact that the current Mizukage has two bloodline limits, which would both seem to indicate that Kirigakure actually protects bloodline users from those purges!
Cause the only mention I can find of persecution of bloodline users is in Haku's backstory, and that was a case of civilian killing his wife who was a civilian survivor of a bloodline clan and then attempting to kill his own civilian child. The anime expanded on that backstory but even then it was still a mob of civilians who attempted to kill Haku, no ninja were involved.
So as far as I can tell, there is no direct evidence of any Mist ninja ever directly persecuting bloodline limit carriers. In fact the reason bloodline users are so hated seems to be because ninja keep using them in the countless civil wars that have devastated the nation, and there's the fact that the current Mizukage has two bloodline limits, which would both seem to indicate that Kirigakure actually protects bloodline users from those purges!
Honestly, I just picked him out because he's from the time period and has a 'stache.
But we are told that the Land of Water had "endless civil wars" which suggests it had been going on for a long time, quite possibly covering more than one generation. The bloodline limit clans were said to have been "used as weapons in countless battles", presumably used by local feudal lords or at least whoever had the money and influence to employ them.
There's actually no mention of the Kiri (beyond a mistranslation with "country of Mist") so this might have even been going on since before the formation of their hidden village. The purges also seem to have started after the civil wars had come to an end where the bloodline clans went into hiding.
At the very least, the prejudice must have started prior to Haku's birth at least if his mother had been keeping it a secret.
Haku also goes on to say that everyone hated bloodline limits, making Zabuza special for desiring him even though he knew that. It suggests that the prejudice was fairly unanimous in the country. I wouldn't take Mei as a sign that they were protecting bloodline users. She is clearly a symbol of change after "the Fourth Mizukage's nightmare" where Kiri stopped by the Bloody Mist, so that could be a relatively recent development. But they probably weren't as zealous as your average citizen to the extent that they hunted them down. At least not the ones that were a part of the village like Mei and Haku (which might be what you meant). We know too little of Mei's history to judge, I think.
There's even particular mention in the first fanbook that "the persecution of those with unusual or unorthodox abilities that often occurs in other villages is rarely seen here" in Konoha. Which naturally suggests that other villages are prone to discrimination against those with special powers (which is probably why Konoha seems to have so many hijutsu clans in comparison to the others). Which isn't unreasonable since bloodline limits probably create a mix of envy and fear even at the best times; just look at Lee's reaction to Sasuke's growth in the Prelims and the Finals.
The Kaguya are probably worth a mention since they were apparently independent from Kiri and their reputation and attack on Kiri wouldn't make the bloodline users look better at all, and that was within the last fifteen years. 99% of them got wiped out too.
I don't really know one way or the other; we've got a decent amount of info but it's fairly disconnected and has different interpretations.
@Stormfury: Kisame said 'Madara' was the Fourth Mizukage i.e. the one pulling Yagura's strings.
@nixofcyzerra: The Land of Sky is movie-only.
But we are told that the Land of Water had "endless civil wars" which suggests it had been going on for a long time, quite possibly covering more than one generation. The bloodline limit clans were said to have been "used as weapons in countless battles", presumably used by local feudal lords or at least whoever had the money and influence to employ them.
There's actually no mention of the Kiri (beyond a mistranslation with "country of Mist") so this might have even been going on since before the formation of their hidden village. The purges also seem to have started after the civil wars had come to an end where the bloodline clans went into hiding.
At the very least, the prejudice must have started prior to Haku's birth at least if his mother had been keeping it a secret.
Haku also goes on to say that everyone hated bloodline limits, making Zabuza special for desiring him even though he knew that. It suggests that the prejudice was fairly unanimous in the country. I wouldn't take Mei as a sign that they were protecting bloodline users. She is clearly a symbol of change after "the Fourth Mizukage's nightmare" where Kiri stopped by the Bloody Mist, so that could be a relatively recent development. But they probably weren't as zealous as your average citizen to the extent that they hunted them down. At least not the ones that were a part of the village like Mei and Haku (which might be what you meant). We know too little of Mei's history to judge, I think.
There's even particular mention in the first fanbook that "the persecution of those with unusual or unorthodox abilities that often occurs in other villages is rarely seen here" in Konoha. Which naturally suggests that other villages are prone to discrimination against those with special powers (which is probably why Konoha seems to have so many hijutsu clans in comparison to the others). Which isn't unreasonable since bloodline limits probably create a mix of envy and fear even at the best times; just look at Lee's reaction to Sasuke's growth in the Prelims and the Finals.
The Kaguya are probably worth a mention since they were apparently independent from Kiri and their reputation and attack on Kiri wouldn't make the bloodline users look better at all, and that was within the last fifteen years. 99% of them got wiped out too.
I don't really know one way or the other; we've got a decent amount of info but it's fairly disconnected and has different interpretations.
@Stormfury: Kisame said 'Madara' was the Fourth Mizukage i.e. the one pulling Yagura's strings.
@nixofcyzerra: The Land of Sky is movie-only.
Hmm. You've got a point, Altered Nova. There's no direct evidence that bloodline purges were sanctioned by any Mizukage. Yagura was known for starting the academy graduation ceremony, and that's all. Of course , Kiri was already known as the "Bloody Mist" long before Obito took control of Yagura's mind, but that could simply refer to the many internal conflicts it's suffered.
Let's see... Haku was 15 during part 1, putting his birth around the time of SWWIII, seeing as Kakashi was around 12-ish in Kakashi Gaiden, and 26-7 during part 1. If we assume his mother birthed him at around 20-ish (which could be a fairly low estimate,) that would put the birth of Haku's mother as being shortly after or even during the Second Shinobi World War (as Jiraiya looked to be in his early-mid 20's during the Hanzo/Ame Trio flashbacks, and he was 50-1 as of part 1.
Hmm... there's nothing to suggest that Kiri even participated in SWWII. Konoha, Suna and Iwa all participated, with Ame being used as a battleground, but I can't find any mention of Kiri, or Kumo for that matter.
Nope. I got nothing. Haku's Mother apparently had to hide her heritage in order to live a peaceful life, but I can't tell when she started doing that, and Haku never states that Kiri still discriminates against Kekkai Genkai wielders in part 1, although, as knight504 said, it was apparently notable that Zabuza didn't care about Haku's blood, and Mei said something about the dark days of her village being over, implying that it wasn't that long ago that a Mizukage with a bloodline would have been impossible.
It's possible that the civils wars only stopped a little while before Kiri entered SWWIII, and that the bloodline hate only really started up less than a decade before Haku was born.
Let's see... Haku was 15 during part 1, putting his birth around the time of SWWIII, seeing as Kakashi was around 12-ish in Kakashi Gaiden, and 26-7 during part 1. If we assume his mother birthed him at around 20-ish (which could be a fairly low estimate,) that would put the birth of Haku's mother as being shortly after or even during the Second Shinobi World War (as Jiraiya looked to be in his early-mid 20's during the Hanzo/Ame Trio flashbacks, and he was 50-1 as of part 1.
Hmm... there's nothing to suggest that Kiri even participated in SWWII. Konoha, Suna and Iwa all participated, with Ame being used as a battleground, but I can't find any mention of Kiri, or Kumo for that matter.
Nope. I got nothing. Haku's Mother apparently had to hide her heritage in order to live a peaceful life, but I can't tell when she started doing that, and Haku never states that Kiri still discriminates against Kekkai Genkai wielders in part 1, although, as knight504 said, it was apparently notable that Zabuza didn't care about Haku's blood, and Mei said something about the dark days of her village being over, implying that it wasn't that long ago that a Mizukage with a bloodline would have been impossible.
It's possible that the civils wars only stopped a little while before Kiri entered SWWIII, and that the bloodline hate only really started up less than a decade before Haku was born.
I don't doubt that hatred of bloodline users has existed for generations, or that regular ninja envied and feared them. My issue is with the extremely common fanon belief that Kirigakure actively hunted down and committed genocide upon bloodline users motivated primarily by bigotry. That's bullshit. Ninja are way too pragmatic for that, if they are willing to create and use jinchuuriki (whom they literally believe to be possessed by malevolent demons) and even make one their freaking Mizukage, then they would tolerate loyal bloodline users as well.
Yeah that is what I meant. Kirigakure probably did kill plenty of bloodline limit carriers, but it was never because they hate bloodline limits. It was because they refused to join Kirigakure and were forming rival ninja organizations. The Kaguya clan was wiped out because they competed with Kirigakure (and because they directly attacked Kirigakure, but that was an attempt to prove themselves superior to Kiri to their clients), not because Kiri thinks bloodline limit carriers are abominations that must be exterminated.
I don't think Zabuza desiring Haku because of his bloodline was a particularly strange action for a ninja. Why wouldn't a ninja village want powerful bloodline limits? All their rivals use them, so refusing to recruit them would be suicidally self-crippling. Any non-idiotic ninja who found a bloodline kid scavenging through trash cans would realize that they'd found a potentially powerful asset for their village, and would have brought them back and given them over to the academy at the least. Zabuza was probably just the first ninja to discover Haku. Haku only thought it was amazing that Zabuza wanted him because Zabuza was literally the first person he'd ever met who didn't hate him because of his bloodline, and coincidentally Zabuza is also the first ninja that Haku ever met.
So the way I see it, if you are a bloodline limit carrier in The Land of Water, then the civilian population hates you and blames people like you for all the civil wars that have ravaged their land. But if you are a ninja then they can't touch you, and as long as you work for Kirigakure then you are safe from being persecuted by other ninja - your fellow ninja might not particularly like you, but they at least won't try to hurt you. Heaven help you if you are a civilian survivor of a destroyed bloodline clan and your secret gets out though.
Yeah that is what I meant. Kirigakure probably did kill plenty of bloodline limit carriers, but it was never because they hate bloodline limits. It was because they refused to join Kirigakure and were forming rival ninja organizations. The Kaguya clan was wiped out because they competed with Kirigakure (and because they directly attacked Kirigakure, but that was an attempt to prove themselves superior to Kiri to their clients), not because Kiri thinks bloodline limit carriers are abominations that must be exterminated.
I don't think Zabuza desiring Haku because of his bloodline was a particularly strange action for a ninja. Why wouldn't a ninja village want powerful bloodline limits? All their rivals use them, so refusing to recruit them would be suicidally self-crippling. Any non-idiotic ninja who found a bloodline kid scavenging through trash cans would realize that they'd found a potentially powerful asset for their village, and would have brought them back and given them over to the academy at the least. Zabuza was probably just the first ninja to discover Haku. Haku only thought it was amazing that Zabuza wanted him because Zabuza was literally the first person he'd ever met who didn't hate him because of his bloodline, and coincidentally Zabuza is also the first ninja that Haku ever met.
So the way I see it, if you are a bloodline limit carrier in The Land of Water, then the civilian population hates you and blames people like you for all the civil wars that have ravaged their land. But if you are a ninja then they can't touch you, and as long as you work for Kirigakure then you are safe from being persecuted by other ninja - your fellow ninja might not particularly like you, but they at least won't try to hurt you. Heaven help you if you are a civilian survivor of a destroyed bloodline clan and your secret gets out though.
Random stuff from Hyo no Sho [contents from volumes 1-14], possibly already known, whatevs.
-Ninja scrolls have four categories of use: Reading [the "Ninja Scroll of Secrets" was as such], Register/Report [adding in general data, such as mission reports], Activation [open the scroll to have a pre-recorded jutsu activate] and Contract [as seen with Gamabunta].
-Chunin Exam is stated to happen in Konoha twice a year.
-Graduation doesn't have a high cutting point [basically you pass if you get a B or 60 on your exam].
-It'd take a year for Sakura's hair to return to its original length, plus two months and three days.
-Ino/Sasuke is more likely than Sakura/Sasuke, before he ran away.
-A bunch of Iruka hairstyles, including a dolphin.
-Iruka isn't anything more than a teacher because he's never been ordered to be.
-'War draft' is in every mission category. Teaching is C-class.
-Haku, danger level 2, is on par with Kin, Dosu and Zaku. Devil Bros. are more dangerous than either, at danger level 3, on par with Kabuto's team. Gaara's danger level is 4, on par with Baki.
-Anko eats 4 times her own need in sugar.
-Sunagakure and Konoha had a joined training exercise 20 years before canon.
-Sasuke, Shino and Shikamaru have low enthusiasm and Hinata has none, while Naruto is only decent in Taijutsu and sucks on everything else bar enthusiasm.
-There's custom seals for certain jutsu outside the main 12.
-Sexy no Jutsu is Naruto's least inconvenient prank ever.
-"What? Is that why they paid me ramen, that day? Why didn't they ask me?"
-Pushing Shikamaru counts.
-Themes:
Arc 1: Respect your fellow
Arc 2: Can you eliminate emotions from life?
Arc 3: Effort, self-confidence, what is fate?
Arc 4: What's the true strength of who fights?
Yeah, probably nothing new. Ah well.
-Ninja scrolls have four categories of use: Reading [the "Ninja Scroll of Secrets" was as such], Register/Report [adding in general data, such as mission reports], Activation [open the scroll to have a pre-recorded jutsu activate] and Contract [as seen with Gamabunta].
-Chunin Exam is stated to happen in Konoha twice a year.
-Graduation doesn't have a high cutting point [basically you pass if you get a B or 60 on your exam].
-It'd take a year for Sakura's hair to return to its original length, plus two months and three days.
-Ino/Sasuke is more likely than Sakura/Sasuke, before he ran away.
-A bunch of Iruka hairstyles, including a dolphin.
-Iruka isn't anything more than a teacher because he's never been ordered to be.
-'War draft' is in every mission category. Teaching is C-class.
-Haku, danger level 2, is on par with Kin, Dosu and Zaku. Devil Bros. are more dangerous than either, at danger level 3, on par with Kabuto's team. Gaara's danger level is 4, on par with Baki.
-Anko eats 4 times her own need in sugar.
-Sunagakure and Konoha had a joined training exercise 20 years before canon.
-Sasuke, Shino and Shikamaru have low enthusiasm and Hinata has none, while Naruto is only decent in Taijutsu and sucks on everything else bar enthusiasm.
-There's custom seals for certain jutsu outside the main 12.
-Sexy no Jutsu is Naruto's least inconvenient prank ever.
-"What? Is that why they paid me ramen, that day? Why didn't they ask me?"
-Pushing Shikamaru counts.
-Themes:
Arc 1: Respect your fellow
Arc 2: Can you eliminate emotions from life?
Arc 3: Effort, self-confidence, what is fate?
Arc 4: What's the true strength of who fights?
Yeah, probably nothing new. Ah well.
-Well, damn...Sakura can't even be the best when it comes to the one thing she's absolutely dedicated to. Jesus, how bad does this chick suck?
-Uh, ok? Once again proving my intense dislike for the Databooks based on how random and disconnected it is from actual canon happenings.
-Since when is he decent in Taijutsu? Honestly, crazy stamina and godly charisma are all the kid has going for him.
Basically a pile of already known mixed in with utter shite. But props to you for delivering this to us. Did you happen to get a look at the book or scans?
-Uh, ok? Once again proving my intense dislike for the Databooks based on how random and disconnected it is from actual canon happenings.
-Since when is he decent in Taijutsu? Honestly, crazy stamina and godly charisma are all the kid has going for him.
Basically a pile of already known mixed in with utter shite. But props to you for delivering this to us. Did you happen to get a look at the book or scans?
Maybe the Devil Bros were just having a really off day when they got humiliated by Sasuke?
I mean honestly it really doesn't make any sense that they were so weak, they were both Chuunin and they were the subordinates of Zabuza, who is not the kind of guy who would have bothered taking such useless weaklings with him when he defected. The Devil Bros logically should have been more dangerous than Haku.
I mean honestly it really doesn't make any sense that they were so weak, they were both Chuunin and they were the subordinates of Zabuza, who is not the kind of guy who would have bothered taking such useless weaklings with him when he defected. The Devil Bros logically should have been more dangerous than Haku.
Yeah, early Chunnin jobbed pretty hard.
Mizuki and the Devil Bros shouldn't have been beaten so easily. To be fair, Kakashi was the one who really took down the last two, but Sasuke shouldn't have been able to do what he did there.
Naruto having good grades in Taijutsu has been a thing for a while.
It's just that he's no Sasuke. Compared to other Academy Students he's probably pretty damn good, but in canon he is put up against guys who are also damn good.
Mizuki and the Devil Bros shouldn't have been beaten so easily. To be fair, Kakashi was the one who really took down the last two, but Sasuke shouldn't have been able to do what he did there.
Naruto having good grades in Taijutsu has been a thing for a while.
It's just that he's no Sasuke. Compared to other Academy Students he's probably pretty damn good, but in canon he is put up against guys who are also damn good.
Frankly, I do believe there were blood-line purges orchestrated by the ninja population. Is there evidence that out right states they were involved? None to my knowledge, but I'm left wondering just why civilians would give two shits about blood-line powers.
We're in a world were people can fart thunder and shoot fire out of their dicks with pelvic thrusts. Why the *hell* are civilians going to get up in arms about people being born with said abilities, when they have Academies that will teach them to do, if not the same thing, close enough.
Personal belief on what happened with Haku - Civilians discover his bloodline, become scared that ninja's will destroy their village just to purge all signs of 'corruption', so take matters into their own hands to cull the problem before ninja's get wind of it and roflestomp em.
But yeah, personal belief. I don't know where the initial supposition that Yagura ordered the Bloodline purges came from, but I can see why it would. Kiri, as far as Obito knows, did some funky shit to Rin and that whole fiasco with Kakashi and his chidori. Now, Obito has Yagura, the leader of the military of Mizu, essentially as his slave. If he was truly pissed at Kiri for what happened to Rin, he'd do stuff like that, cause fuck Kiri. (Yes, I'm aware the whole Rin fiasco was because of Madara being a cunt, but Obito didn't AFAIK).
Frankly, Kishimoto has left a great deal of the manga up to reader interpretation with his school-bus sized plot holes, that you could argue crap like this any which way.
We're in a world were people can fart thunder and shoot fire out of their dicks with pelvic thrusts. Why the *hell* are civilians going to get up in arms about people being born with said abilities, when they have Academies that will teach them to do, if not the same thing, close enough.
Personal belief on what happened with Haku - Civilians discover his bloodline, become scared that ninja's will destroy their village just to purge all signs of 'corruption', so take matters into their own hands to cull the problem before ninja's get wind of it and roflestomp em.
But yeah, personal belief. I don't know where the initial supposition that Yagura ordered the Bloodline purges came from, but I can see why it would. Kiri, as far as Obito knows, did some funky shit to Rin and that whole fiasco with Kakashi and his chidori. Now, Obito has Yagura, the leader of the military of Mizu, essentially as his slave. If he was truly pissed at Kiri for what happened to Rin, he'd do stuff like that, cause fuck Kiri. (Yes, I'm aware the whole Rin fiasco was because of Madara being a cunt, but Obito didn't AFAIK).
Frankly, Kishimoto has left a great deal of the manga up to reader interpretation with his school-bus sized plot holes, that you could argue crap like this any which way.
There's a couple of things I didn't know so thanks, H-man. Any more where that come from?
Would storage scrolls come under Activation or Contract, I wonder.
Huh. I always thought that the Chuunin Exam circulated between the allied villages or between Konoha and Suna. Sounds like it always happens in Konoha though.
I wonder how the other villages conduct their exams; do they keep it within their own village like Konoha during the war or do they have their own international exam between their allies?
This would imply that there's more to the graduation exam than just a pass/fail ninjutsu test. Good.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder, I guess.
Wut. The gifted apprentice with a bloodline limit who was trained by Zabuza from youth is only on par with the sound genin? And the Demon Brothers who got owned - without the excuse of being peace-time academy teachers - are somehow more dangerous than him?
Is this meant to be important in some way? Sounds like it's meant to imply something. What the hell would they be doing anyway?
'Tis a hard thing to merely decent when surrounded by geniuses, superiors and specialists.
Would storage scrolls come under Activation or Contract, I wonder.
Huh. I always thought that the Chuunin Exam circulated between the allied villages or between Konoha and Suna. Sounds like it always happens in Konoha though.
I wonder how the other villages conduct their exams; do they keep it within their own village like Konoha during the war or do they have their own international exam between their allies?
This would imply that there's more to the graduation exam than just a pass/fail ninjutsu test. Good.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder, I guess.
Wut. The gifted apprentice with a bloodline limit who was trained by Zabuza from youth is only on par with the sound genin? And the Demon Brothers who got owned - without the excuse of being peace-time academy teachers - are somehow more dangerous than him?
Is this meant to be important in some way? Sounds like it's meant to imply something. What the hell would they be doing anyway?
'Tis a hard thing to merely decent when surrounded by geniuses, superiors and specialists.
Ino-Sasu more likely than Saku-Sasu: I honestly cannot remember where this was stated.
Haku less dangerous than Demon Bros.: depends on the values examined.
Haku doesn't like to kill and is skilled enough to avoid it, so that might be the reason he's technically less dangerous than two missing nins with no qualms regarding murder.
And we must remember that _KAKASHI_ did defeat the Demon Bros., not Sasuke: he "only" did manage to keep up with them for a little while. And they weren't bothering much with him, focusing on trying to kill Tazuna. And Sasuke _STILL_ had to be rescued by Kakashi or would have been killed.
Team Sound, otherwise, are relatively weak: their strongest point was Dosu's sound-based technique, and the other two managed to get problems from a sleep-deprived Sakura
Team Kabuto: see Demon Bros.
Gaara and Baki are quite obvious, I'd say: both strong and willing to kill.
Naruto being good on taijutsu makes sense. Sure, Kiba trash-talked him, but IIRC he had A and Naruto was likely scratching B only thanks his stamina.
Sasuke, otherwise, was simply THAT good.
Haku less dangerous than Demon Bros.: depends on the values examined.
Haku doesn't like to kill and is skilled enough to avoid it, so that might be the reason he's technically less dangerous than two missing nins with no qualms regarding murder.
And we must remember that _KAKASHI_ did defeat the Demon Bros., not Sasuke: he "only" did manage to keep up with them for a little while. And they weren't bothering much with him, focusing on trying to kill Tazuna. And Sasuke _STILL_ had to be rescued by Kakashi or would have been killed.
Team Sound, otherwise, are relatively weak: their strongest point was Dosu's sound-based technique, and the other two managed to get problems from a sleep-deprived Sakura
Team Kabuto: see Demon Bros.
Gaara and Baki are quite obvious, I'd say: both strong and willing to kill.
Naruto being good on taijutsu makes sense. Sure, Kiba trash-talked him, but IIRC he had A and Naruto was likely scratching B only thanks his stamina.
Sasuke, otherwise, was simply THAT good.
On the grades, 'Naruto stole everyone's final class scores'. It goes as such:
[Ninjutsu/Taijutsu/Genjutsu/Cooperation/Enthusiasm/Behavior]
Sasuke: A/A/A/X/C/B
Sakura: B/C/B/B/B/A
Ino: A/B/B/B/B/A/B/
Shikamaru: B/C/C/B/C/X
Choji: B/B/C/B/B/C
Kiba: B/A/C/C/A/C
Hinata: B/A/B/A/X/A
Shino: A/B/B/B/C/B
Naruto: X/B/X/X/A/X
The X is because a D wouldn't be as strong as an F but I didn't want to mark it as such.
Education involves three different phases: the Basic level, which is where the potential ninjas are separated from the regular civilians, the Practical level, which is when they start doing ninja stuff [Taijutsu, Ninjutsu] and do battle simulations, and Application, which is focused on drawing out each student's best skills and abilities. It's kinda weird Naruto wouldn't care even about those, but maybe he has brain damage like SA jokes around.
Sealing scrolls seem to be the Activation type, but they don't go on much detail about it, sadly. No word on how Tenten uses them. Actually, Tenten only appears to talk up Tsunade-sama on a single panel. Go Tenten.
The Sasuke/pairing thing comes from their signs. Sakura is Aries and Sasuke is Leo, giving them some 80% compatibility, while Ino is Libra, boosting it to 90%.
I didn't say it was a good reason.
Speaking of Sakura and Ino, the two tied when it came to a comparison between their Persistence [Sakura wins, doesn't get shocked even in the tougher situations (maybe during the Chunin Exam], Dynamism [Ino wins, more proactive, even to flirt with Sasuke] and Skill [tie, Sakura takes beatings better while Ino is smarter and stretchier]. I don't know where I was going with this.
Sasuke likes to drink tomatoes and eat dry fish riceballs.
Question: "What did Naruto's kiss taste like? Was it lemon?"
Answer: "Hm... I think it was miso... Hey! Why do I have to remember this...?!! What did I do to deserve that?! Not to mention I didn't even know him that well!!"
Sasuke hates natto. It's sticky.
"Naruto's CURRENT appearance" includes his Mouth. "Without a doubt, he doesn't care about filtering anything he says..."
Iruka likes hot springs. Stays there for hours.
There's a series of 12 hilarious images from those 14 volumes so far, handpicked by Anko. In order, they are:
#1: Gai-sensei facepunching Lee
#2: Sakura facepunching Naruto for disrespecting "Lee-san"
#3: Gai-sensei facepunching Lee
#4: Sakura facekicking some thief
#5: Sakura facepunching Naruto
#6: Ebisu nosebleeding
#7: Ebisu nosebleeding farther
#8: Sasuke hitting a branch as he falls
#9: THE KISS
#10: Sakura falling on the ground with hearts in front of her eyes
#11: Naruto's Sennen Goroshi yell
#12: Sakura yelling in fear, probably from Sasuke's dead head.
Most wanted fights:
#1: Kakashi vs Gai
#2: Naruto vs Sasuke
#3: Kakashi vs Iruka
#4: Sakura vs Ino
#5: Sasuke vs Itachi
#6: Naruto vs Gaara
#7: Rock Lee vs Neji
#8: Sakura vs Sasuke
#9: Naruto vs Rock Lee
#10: Shikamaru vs Rock Lee
Naruto's pranks are defined by three factors: impact, creativity, and inconvenience. In this sense, the Sexy no Jutsu is technically tied with the prank he pulled on Kakashi, which had no impact or creativity whatsoever, but was more inconvenient [had it fallen on someone less dull, I think].
His most impressive one was painting grafitti all over the Hokages' faces; 5 stars Impact, 3 stars Creativity, 4 stars Inconvenience. Second-most inconvenient was switching up with Sasuke to almost kiss Sakura. "Hn! It had to be an idea coming from that retard... But the transformation did look good!"
Oh, wait, there's another scene with Tenten. Namely, you have to solve a word puzzle with her ten weapons to find out what her favorite candy is.
I'm serious.
[Ninjutsu/Taijutsu/Genjutsu/Cooperation/Enthusiasm/Behavior]
Sasuke: A/A/A/X/C/B
Sakura: B/C/B/B/B/A
Ino: A/B/B/B/B/A/B/
Shikamaru: B/C/C/B/C/X
Choji: B/B/C/B/B/C
Kiba: B/A/C/C/A/C
Hinata: B/A/B/A/X/A
Shino: A/B/B/B/C/B
Naruto: X/B/X/X/A/X
The X is because a D wouldn't be as strong as an F but I didn't want to mark it as such.
Education involves three different phases: the Basic level, which is where the potential ninjas are separated from the regular civilians, the Practical level, which is when they start doing ninja stuff [Taijutsu, Ninjutsu] and do battle simulations, and Application, which is focused on drawing out each student's best skills and abilities. It's kinda weird Naruto wouldn't care even about those, but maybe he has brain damage like SA jokes around.
Sealing scrolls seem to be the Activation type, but they don't go on much detail about it, sadly. No word on how Tenten uses them. Actually, Tenten only appears to talk up Tsunade-sama on a single panel. Go Tenten.
The Sasuke/pairing thing comes from their signs. Sakura is Aries and Sasuke is Leo, giving them some 80% compatibility, while Ino is Libra, boosting it to 90%.
I didn't say it was a good reason.
Speaking of Sakura and Ino, the two tied when it came to a comparison between their Persistence [Sakura wins, doesn't get shocked even in the tougher situations (maybe during the Chunin Exam], Dynamism [Ino wins, more proactive, even to flirt with Sasuke] and Skill [tie, Sakura takes beatings better while Ino is smarter and stretchier]. I don't know where I was going with this.
Sasuke likes to drink tomatoes and eat dry fish riceballs.
Question: "What did Naruto's kiss taste like? Was it lemon?"
Answer: "Hm... I think it was miso... Hey! Why do I have to remember this...?!! What did I do to deserve that?! Not to mention I didn't even know him that well!!"
Sasuke hates natto. It's sticky.
"Naruto's CURRENT appearance" includes his Mouth. "Without a doubt, he doesn't care about filtering anything he says..."
Iruka likes hot springs. Stays there for hours.
There's a series of 12 hilarious images from those 14 volumes so far, handpicked by Anko. In order, they are:
#1: Gai-sensei facepunching Lee
#2: Sakura facepunching Naruto for disrespecting "Lee-san"
#3: Gai-sensei facepunching Lee
#4: Sakura facekicking some thief
#5: Sakura facepunching Naruto
#6: Ebisu nosebleeding
#7: Ebisu nosebleeding farther
#8: Sasuke hitting a branch as he falls
#9: THE KISS
#10: Sakura falling on the ground with hearts in front of her eyes
#11: Naruto's Sennen Goroshi yell
#12: Sakura yelling in fear, probably from Sasuke's dead head.
Most wanted fights:
#1: Kakashi vs Gai
#2: Naruto vs Sasuke
#3: Kakashi vs Iruka
#4: Sakura vs Ino
#5: Sasuke vs Itachi
#6: Naruto vs Gaara
#7: Rock Lee vs Neji
#8: Sakura vs Sasuke
#9: Naruto vs Rock Lee
#10: Shikamaru vs Rock Lee
Naruto's pranks are defined by three factors: impact, creativity, and inconvenience. In this sense, the Sexy no Jutsu is technically tied with the prank he pulled on Kakashi, which had no impact or creativity whatsoever, but was more inconvenient [had it fallen on someone less dull, I think].
His most impressive one was painting grafitti all over the Hokages' faces; 5 stars Impact, 3 stars Creativity, 4 stars Inconvenience. Second-most inconvenient was switching up with Sasuke to almost kiss Sakura. "Hn! It had to be an idea coming from that retard... But the transformation did look good!"
Oh, wait, there's another scene with Tenten. Namely, you have to solve a word puzzle with her ten weapons to find out what her favorite candy is.
I'm serious.