The views of the TSAB in Nanoha
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This leads to the conclusion that either A: magical societies do exist on Earth and have contact with outside groups like the TSAB, yet do not reveal themselves to the public for various reasons (a common theme in fanfiction, but hints toward this exist in Nanoha canon as well) or B: the reason Earth never developed a magitek society is because the bloody Midchildans keep stealing all our mages!
There's a Chronology on the Nanoha Wiki. It doesn't say exactly when the TSAB was founded, but the modern Mid-Childan calender was adopted 65 years before the Jewel Seed incident.
Its certainly possible that Mid-Childa and/or Belka could have had contact with Earth during the Saint King Unification War, or even earlier, during the Warring Ages of the Ancient Belkan Empire, but if so, why hide themselves? Especially in the case of Belka, why not conquer the primitives? (That would make for an interesting AU, IMHO.)
Of course, if it was just Mid-Childa, I could see them hiding from a world so obviously not ready for contact, and also, keeping information on it restricted, so as not to lead the Belkans to a new target.
Its certainly possible that Mid-Childa and/or Belka could have had contact with Earth during the Saint King Unification War, or even earlier, during the Warring Ages of the Ancient Belkan Empire, but if so, why hide themselves? Especially in the case of Belka, why not conquer the primitives? (That would make for an interesting AU, IMHO.)
Of course, if it was just Mid-Childa, I could see them hiding from a world so obviously not ready for contact, and also, keeping information on it restricted, so as not to lead the Belkans to a new target.
When the unification wars ended, the Belkan empire fell apart. Olivie was the last of the 3 great Belkan rulers still alive and since she ENDED the wars, I doubt she was interested in taking over a bunch of primitives like Earth.
Then, i think when the TSAB was founded, they decided that only societies that ran magic-heavy societies would be in the TSAB and put all other worlds in the Non-Administered worlds.
Course, that's all conjecture on my part.
Edit: There's a LOT that's not covered. SSX gives some insight, as does ViVid.
Let's hope that ViVid gives more insight into Belkan history, same with Force.
Then, i think when the TSAB was founded, they decided that only societies that ran magic-heavy societies would be in the TSAB and put all other worlds in the Non-Administered worlds.
Course, that's all conjecture on my part.
Edit: There's a LOT that's not covered. SSX gives some insight, as does ViVid.
Let's hope that ViVid gives more insight into Belkan history, same with Force.
That's sort of a good point.
Given Yuuno's specialty, he could have called in the TSAB at any moment- things like dimensional calls shouldn't be hard for him.
I guess it was a case of "it's my responsibility" until he went and got so injured he could barely call Nanoha.
Or, you know, Yuuno's actually the Big Bad.
Oh, and about the Brains? They aren't pulling everything, far from it- they are the retired old rulers, and as such, still have lots of contacts.
Doesn't mean that they can do things legally, just that the current highly placed people feels a lot of respect for them.
Given Yuuno's specialty, he could have called in the TSAB at any moment- things like dimensional calls shouldn't be hard for him.
I guess it was a case of "it's my responsibility" until he went and got so injured he could barely call Nanoha.
Or, you know, Yuuno's actually the Big Bad.
Oh, and about the Brains? They aren't pulling everything, far from it- they are the retired old rulers, and as such, still have lots of contacts.
Doesn't mean that they can do things legally, just that the current highly placed people feels a lot of respect for them.
I believe I've heard of this novel once before. And it said that the TSAB recruits potential mages from normally non-magical non-administered worlds (like Nanoha, Hayate, and even Graham) and incarcerates those who use their magic for criminal activities. It didn't say that the TSAB has a policy of kidnapping mages wherever it can find them, though given the situation with some of the TSAB's higher command structure and the whole Jail thing I wouldn't be surprised if it has happened on occasion.
Wow. So noone ever touched on the rampant nepotism and cronyism going on? I'd have thought it'd be obvious; even the main characters indulge in it. I doubt Chrono got that position on the Admiralty purely on his own merits. Hell, Riot Force 6 is basically cronyism incarnate; it was basically the entire point of the exercise from the beginning.
Nepotism is only bad when it puts idiots in power. So far the main characters have all done quite well at their jobs. Besides, like it or not, nepotism is normal even in our society.
Lies. He was already getting promoted to captain by the end of As - being an Admiral ten years later isn't very strange at all, given his past achievements.
It saved the Goddamn planet from a mad scientist with a Star Destroyer too. I think that means it worked.
Besides, once the crisis was over RF6 was disbanded.
Lies. He was already getting promoted to captain by the end of As - being an Admiral ten years later isn't very strange at all, given his past achievements.
It saved the Goddamn planet from a mad scientist with a Star Destroyer too. I think that means it worked.
Besides, once the crisis was over RF6 was disbanded.
I doubt that it's anywhere nearly as prevalent in the modern, Western world as it seems to be in TSAB.
Or, perhaps, the forces of Nepotism were at work even then.
The planet would never have been in danger if TSAB hadn't been so corrupt in the first place.
Besides, I don't think we're ever told the reason for RF6 being disbanded; it could very well be that after corruption in the TSAB nearly destroyed the planet, there was an investigation launched to ferret out any other corruption in the TSAB, and the blatant display of cronyism at work in RF6 got them disbanded.
Or, perhaps, the forces of Nepotism were at work even then.
The planet would never have been in danger if TSAB hadn't been so corrupt in the first place.
Besides, I don't think we're ever told the reason for RF6 being disbanded; it could very well be that after corruption in the TSAB nearly destroyed the planet, there was an investigation launched to ferret out any other corruption in the TSAB, and the blatant display of cronyism at work in RF6 got them disbanded.
*Looks up the meaning of Cronyism and Nepotism*
Hmm...
Chrono got to be Admiral due to this, huh?
What about Hayate being a Colonel by age 19?
Or Nanoha the top combat instructor by age 19?
Given that light, it's very unlikely that Chrono had special treatment. (Doubly so since he supported Hayate, and it's revealed that in the 3rd season that Hayate's still disliked by people in the TSAB due to the Wolkenritter's past actions and how she took responsibility for it.) He'd probably turn it down. Hell, he got upset when his mother tried to act like his mother during missions.
Riot Force Six disbanded for 2 reasons: The Lost Logia that they were meant to secure (relics) and a year had passed.
Besides, it was an experiment to see if a smaller group would be more effective than a larger group.
Planet not in danger if the TSAB had not been corrupt, huh?
Hmm... I can both agree and disagree with it.
Agree because then Jail wouldn't have been made.
Disagree because there's still the off chance that someone would have done what Jail did anyway.
Besides, Jail making artificial mages and combat cyborgs was done on orders from the various forces within the TSAB to help bolster their forces. Don't forget that he originally started Project F which Precia managed to perfect. Which screams to me that someone would have done what he did eventually.
Besides, the making of Riot Force Six had the backing of at least six prominent figures in the TSAB (Carim, Lindy, Chrono, the 3 Admirals). Add in Nanoha's celebrity status and it was practically guaranteed.
While the TSAB publicly dislikes and tries to shoot down the creation of Artificial Mages, Clones and Combat Cyborgs, they only really get upset when it goes wrong (you're experimenting on human lives, you asses). Because if it is done right, well... Then there's more combat-capable mages to help deal with problems that run around.
Plus, let's face it, most normal human mages can't break the B-rank in power or ability without special circumstances. Hayate was given the Tome of the Night Sky. Verossa and Carim both inherited rare skills from Ancient Belka, which seems to be their only real power. Every Artificial Mage, Clone and Cyborg has been (by the end of StrikerS) at least AA-rank in overall magical ability.
Hmm...
Chrono got to be Admiral due to this, huh?
What about Hayate being a Colonel by age 19?
Or Nanoha the top combat instructor by age 19?
Given that light, it's very unlikely that Chrono had special treatment. (Doubly so since he supported Hayate, and it's revealed that in the 3rd season that Hayate's still disliked by people in the TSAB due to the Wolkenritter's past actions and how she took responsibility for it.) He'd probably turn it down. Hell, he got upset when his mother tried to act like his mother during missions.
Riot Force Six disbanded for 2 reasons: The Lost Logia that they were meant to secure (relics) and a year had passed.
Besides, it was an experiment to see if a smaller group would be more effective than a larger group.
Planet not in danger if the TSAB had not been corrupt, huh?
Hmm... I can both agree and disagree with it.
Agree because then Jail wouldn't have been made.
Disagree because there's still the off chance that someone would have done what Jail did anyway.
Besides, Jail making artificial mages and combat cyborgs was done on orders from the various forces within the TSAB to help bolster their forces. Don't forget that he originally started Project F which Precia managed to perfect. Which screams to me that someone would have done what he did eventually.
Besides, the making of Riot Force Six had the backing of at least six prominent figures in the TSAB (Carim, Lindy, Chrono, the 3 Admirals). Add in Nanoha's celebrity status and it was practically guaranteed.
While the TSAB publicly dislikes and tries to shoot down the creation of Artificial Mages, Clones and Combat Cyborgs, they only really get upset when it goes wrong (you're experimenting on human lives, you asses). Because if it is done right, well... Then there's more combat-capable mages to help deal with problems that run around.
Plus, let's face it, most normal human mages can't break the B-rank in power or ability without special circumstances. Hayate was given the Tome of the Night Sky. Verossa and Carim both inherited rare skills from Ancient Belka, which seems to be their only real power. Every Artificial Mage, Clone and Cyborg has been (by the end of StrikerS) at least AA-rank in overall magical ability.
... ahaahha
Are you serious?
What are you calling the Bush for an obvious example?
Or, you know, in most *Western* countries nepotism is an accepted facet of life, and "contacts" are usually more important than actual ability.
As for those happening in the TSAB, it's not quite true.
Also, Mages in TSAB gets high rank quickly, but aren't taken seriously either- most people don't think their ranks are "real".
Are you serious?
What are you calling the Bush for an obvious example?
Or, you know, in most *Western* countries nepotism is an accepted facet of life, and "contacts" are usually more important than actual ability.
As for those happening in the TSAB, it's not quite true.
Also, Mages in TSAB gets high rank quickly, but aren't taken seriously either- most people don't think their ranks are "real".
That is true, but keep in mind that she had a truly monstrous potential for magic, even before the Book was linked to her. That's the reason she was chosen in the first place.
I suspect that she's one of those trope-tastic cases where, if she hadn't been taken in by an experienced mage and shown the ropes, her power would have gone completely apeshit at some point during her young adult life. Power like hers has a tendency of finding ways to be unleashed, y'know.
(Not getting involved with the nepotism argument.)
I suspect that she's one of those trope-tastic cases where, if she hadn't been taken in by an experienced mage and shown the ropes, her power would have gone completely apeshit at some point during her young adult life. Power like hers has a tendency of finding ways to be unleashed, y'know.
(Not getting involved with the nepotism argument.)
