The views of the TSAB in Nanoha

[Kaijo]

Ragnarok, that's par for the course. There are manga that have weekly releases, and then there are those that have monthly releases. I'm reading several other s myself, and they have much worse release schedules. Rosario + Vampire and Nagaserate Airaintou have both skipped several months, even though they are supposed to be monthly. Soul Eater and Full Metal Alchemist were both monthly manga. It comes with the territory. In fact, more manga series are monthly releases; there are only a few magazines that have weekly release schedules.

Hell, modern TV series, you have to wait a week, usually (unless they skip a week or two)... and then they take 6 month breaks between half seasons, ending on a cliffhanger!

In short, if you wanna enjoy the format, you have to learn to tolerate the limitations. It's like complaining that manga comes in black and white. That's just the way it is.

 

[ragnarok1337]

Ragnarok, that's par for the course. There are manga that have weekly releases, and then there are those that have monthly releases. I'm reading several other s myself, and they have much worse release schedules. Rosario + Vampire and Nagaserate Airaintou have both skipped several months, even though they are supposed to be monthly. Soul Eater and Full Metal Alchemist were both monthly manga. It comes with the territory. In fact, more manga series are monthly releases; there are only a few magazines that have weekly release schedules.

Hell, modern TV series, you have to wait a week, usually (unless they skip a week or two)... and then they take 6 month breaks between half seasons, ending on a cliffhanger!

In short, if you wanna enjoy the format, you have to learn to tolerate the limitations. It's like complaining that manga comes in black and white. That's just the way it is.

The problem isn't the monthly releases. It's that the monthly releases are so goddamn short.

 

[Kaijo]

30 pages a month is the average you tend to get for monthly releases. It can vary, but they only have so much space in the magazine for each series. If you add more pages to one series, that means another series gets less to work with. A magazine hold several series at once, and it comes out once a month. A few come out once a week. The most famous one you've probably heard mention of, is Weekly Shonen Jump. It currently holds about 20 series. There is a spinoff from that, Monthly Shonen Jump, that holds a bit less right now. Each manga writer who is lucky enough to get a slot, gets so many pages assigned to them.

Nanoha Force is published in Kadokawa Shoten's Nyantype magazine, which is a monthly release. Sorta like we have Sports Illustrated in the US, which is monthly. Or Time magazine. It's not very different than that, except it covers manga instead of sports or world events. I can't find a number on how many series it contains, tho. But suffice it to say, Tsuzuki doesn't have a choice. Nyantype comes out monthly, and he has roughly 20-30 pages assigned to him. Sometimes he gets more, sometimes less. I'm not privy to their contract details or arraignments, but unless Kadokawa Shoten decides to gift him with more pages, there ain't much he can do.

 

[Akiyoshi]

It doesn't matter who's fault it is (writter or executives), the pacing still sucks.

Also more of a personal thing but i fonslly guessed one difference between Nanoha and Tohma. Kaijo is right in that they share a good deal of traits. But ultimately past seasons were more successfull at distracting me from Nanoha's flaws and blandness as. character while FORCE hasn't done a good job distracting me from Tohma's.

Nanoha was always engaged in action, taking desicions and kicking ass enough to compensate very well for her simple character traits. Tohma on the other hand is more of a passenger than an active protagonist so far, bound and preserved by others instead of being pro active which make his blandness much more evident.

Plus, Nanoha was much more of a shounen heroic chatacter than Thoma who is more dark and "complex". As long as he doesn't get chances to shine, take dsicions and act upon those it will be hard to take the kid seriously (heck, even in-universe he's somewhat overlooked).

 

[Azure]

Surpricingly I agree with your opinion Aki. I think this is part of the problem of having Touma work with the TSAB, it really took out any agency he had. I really wish that Touma had never joined the TSAB and just took to wandering around by himself, it would have made FORCE more interesting. To be honest I really want Touma to leave TSAB and try try to investigate by himself or even with the Hucks, that way it would feel more interesting.

To be honest the last time I saw Touma being proactive and having agency was in GOD when he fought against Yuri at full power. (Why did the game handle Touma so much better than his manga?)

 

[Hoki]

Surpricingly I agree with your opinion Aki. I think this is part of the problem of having Touma work with the TSAB, it really took out any agency he had. I really wish that Touma had never joined the TSAB and just took to wandering around by himself, it would have made FORCE more interesting. To be honest I really want Touma to leave TSAB and try try to investigate by himself or even with the Hucks, that way it would feel more interesting.

To be honest the last time I saw Touma being proactive and having agency was in GOD when he fought against Yuri at full power. (Why did the game handle Touma so much better than his manga?)

G.O.D handled most of the characters well. Heck, it gave Linith and Precia good side stories, that may as well be their canon final fate. It made Yuuno a badass, and Touma, well a slightly better character than in Force.

Like Aki said, Nanoha and Touma are surprisingly similar and simple characters. Nanoha stood out more because she acted on what she believed in, and stayed true to those beliefs right when she was first introduced. Touma is, basically, a confused teenager. He doesn't really have a solid ideal that he follows, but (to me anyway) he doesn't think others should be telling him what he should be doing with himself, as he seems to go out of his way to not listen to people who tell him stuff he should know or do. This creates somewhat of a conflict with how his character appears to me.

 

[keroko]

Also more of a personal thing but i fonslly guessed one difference between Nanoha and Tohma. Kaijo is right in that they share a good deal of traits. But ultimately past seasons were more successfull at distracting me from Nanoha's flaws and blandness as. character while FORCE hasn't done a good job distracting me from Tohma's.

Actually, the real reason the series hasn't done a good job distracting people from that is that people are actually pointing out his flaws. Nanoha's "Let's be friends, people who just tried to murder me!" was always overlooked. Outright ignored, even. Thoma is the first character in Nanoha ever who is being told by people that "trying to be friends with criminals isn't such a good idea."

By the same people who are famous for doing that very thing.

That inexplicable hypocrisy right there is Force's biggest flaw so far.

 

[Andarion]

By the same people who are famous for doing that very thing.

That inexplicable hypocrisy right there is Force's biggest flaw so far.

I guess you could call it failed attempt at being Darker and Edgier. While it can be argued that Fate and Wolkenritter weren't as vicious and downright evil as Hucks... well from the perspective of heroes there is probably little difference between them.

 

[Akiyoshi]

Actually, the real reason the series hasn't done a good job distracting people from that is that people are actually pointing out his flaws. Nanoha's "Let's be friends, people who just tried to murder me!" was always overlooked. Outright ignored, even. Thoma is the first character in Nanoha ever who is being told by people that "trying to be friends with criminals isn't such a good idea."

By the same people who are famous for doing that very thing.

That inexplicable hypocrisy right there is Force's biggest flaw so far.

Maybe they attempted to deconstruct yet another concept of the series? StrikerS attempted to deconstruct some of the concepts stablished in A's like duels, hard work and the more kiddie aspects of the franchise ...what with Nanoha teaching Teana about how endless trainning and effort can be bad for you when she spend the last two seasons doing the exact same thing xD?

FORCE is hinting at several tropes used in past seasons and giving them a new twist ...probably they're trying to subvert the idea of "befriending criminals"? That's another thing that bugged me but i didn't quite noticed until pointed by you guys: We're already on Chapter 31 and Nanoha hasn't moved a finger to try and befriend the Huckebein ...and no, i'm not referring to her memetic way of making frineds, she hasn't tried to approach them to simphazise or learning about their motves. So far Fate and Tohma were the only ones who attempted that (sure the former was flat out rejected and the latter was invited to join them in exchange xDU).

Curren seems to be aware Section Six mages are actually nice people and is willing to exploit such "flaw" for all its worth xD

 

[Hoki]

Actually, the real reason the series hasn't done a good job distracting people from that is that people are actually pointing out his flaws. Nanoha's "Let's be friends, people who just tried to murder me!" was always overlooked. Outright ignored, even. Thoma is the first character in Nanoha ever who is being told by people that "trying to be friends with criminals isn't such a good idea."

By the same people who are famous for doing that very thing.

That inexplicable hypocrisy right there is Force's biggest flaw so far.

Maybe they attempted to deconstruct yet another concept of the series? StrikerS attempted to deconstruct some of the concepts stablished in A's like duels, hard work and the more kiddie aspects of the franchise ...what with Nanoha teaching Teana about how endless trainning and effort can be bad for you when she spend the last two seasons doing the exact same thing xD?

FORCE is hinting at several tropes used in past seasons and giving them a new twist ...probably they're trying to subvert the idea of "befriending criminals"? That's another thing that bugged me but i didn't quite noticed until pointed by you guys: We're already on Chapter 31 and Nanoha hasn't moved a finger to try and befriend the Huckebein ...and no, i'm not referring to her memetic way of making frineds, she hasn't tried to approach them to simphazise or learning about their motves. So far Fate and Tohma were the only ones who attempted that (sure the former was flat out rejected and the latter was invited to join them in exchange xDU).

Curren seems to be aware Section Six mages are actually nice people and is willing to exploit such "flaw" for all its worth xD

Consider that in the first two seasons, Nanoha is just a kid and a civilian, so she doesn't really have a profile on who she faces in battle. Being a good kid, she figures that she can talk some sense into the other kid (Fate in S1, Vita in A's, though technically not a kid, looked and acted like one) so she tries to know their motives, and when diplomacy fails, then she fights. Compare her actions to Chrono, who is both older and a trained officer. His policy is subdue first, ask questions later because that is what he was trained to do.

By the third season, Nanoha and co, have also become officers of the bureau, so they follow the same policy. In both StrikerS and Force, they also know who they are dealing with: actual criminals who have committed atrocities on Kaiser knows where. Trying to know their motives first before subduing them would be foolish, after all since some criminals (Jail for example), don't have any motives other than satisfying their own desires. The Hucks are also quite distrustful of anybody aside from their own, so why should they tell the heroines what they plan to do? Especially now that we know that they are looking for the origin of the Eclipse virus, a thing that can kill a lot of people en masse. Nanoha and the others may not know their true objectives, but they know talking with them while they're still free isn't going to help much.

 

[Akiyoshi]

Exactly, past seasons encouraged the idea that you can be friends with your enemy if you get your feelings reach into them. Even StrikerS kinda preserved said notion. Nanoha was more strict but still kind and eager to approach the enemy as soon as a good chance for it arises which is something thay differentiates her from Tohma, the boy blindly walks with a smile towards dangerous people prying for his words to be heard while Nanoha always supports her dialogues with high caliber fire power, something she does since the climax of Season 1 onwards. She was soft on Dieci and only went cold on Quattro because the latter was a total bitch about mistreating Vivio, Nanoha is a nice person full of compassion but she's not a fool or a saint and will blow up your ass if you threaten her loved ones directly xD

But in FORCE not only she hasn't attempted any sort of approach to any of the Hucks but she didn't even shown any good natured intention towards them as well which is very rare from her. Nanoha usually is the sort of person who gives you a chance before emitting a judgement.

As i said before the Hucks are also kinda dufferent, they aren't lost lambs without knowledge like the wolks nor manipulated children like Fate and the Numbers. They have a respected leader, they know their roles, they have a plan, in short, they have no reason to think they need help so it's a lot easier for them to spit any befriending attempt in the face.

 

[Kaijo]

It doesn't matter who's fault it is (writter or executives), the pacing still sucks.

The irony is... the previous seasons of Nanoha had the exact same pacing. In fact, Force is MUCH faster than the other seasons. Strikers was slow as it was, but if Force were an anime, we'd be about 6 episodes in. With A's, we had 2 fights. Force has had at least 4 or 5, including one big fight that was bigger than anything the other anime seasons had this far along.

It's the kind of thing that makes me hang my head and chuckle, of the sheer hypocrisy of people claiming there is something wrong with Force's pacing... when it is the exact same, if not faster than, every single anime season. Hell, season 1 pacing? Really?

lso more of a personal thing but i fonslly guessed one difference between Nanoha and Tohma. Kaijo is right in that they share a good deal of traits. But ultimately past seasons were more successfull at distracting me from Nanoha's flaws and blandness as. character while FORCE hasn't done a good job distracting me from Tohma's.

Distracting... right. This has always been the series MO. It's one of those things you have to accept to watch the series. Just like you have to accept long power-ups and super speed when you watch DBZ.

Honestly, while there is criticism to be had, I find it hilarious that "pacing" and "characters" are what people complain about. That's been Nanoha all along. It's like... you're just NOW figuring this out?

Actually, the real reason the series hasn't done a good job distracting people from that is that people are actually pointing out his flaws. Nanoha's "Let's be friends, people who just tried to murder me!" was always overlooked. Outright ignored, even. Thoma is the first character in Nanoha ever who is being told by people that "trying to be friends with criminals isn't such a good idea."

By the same people who are famous for doing that very thing.

That inexplicable hypocrisy right there is Force's biggest flaw so far.

I'd disagree. In S1 and A's, Nanoha was, perhaps, a bit naive, and her opponent's motives were a mystery. By StrikerS, she had grown up, and realized that she had to temper her idealism a bit; hence her actions in StrikerS are the same in Force. And there was never any doubt in Nanoha's mind that Fate and the Wolkies needed to be stopped.

RF6 knows that the Hucks need to be stopped. They plan to capture them and rehabilitate and cure them. They understand Thoma's attitude, but are trying to tell him not to do something stupid. They want to help the Hucks, too, just like Thoma does. But he has to seriously considering them as a dangerous enemy. There will be time for talk after.

Talk and bonding always happens after you get shot down. Nanoha has learned this. That's why we have the whole "befriend" meme.

 

[Gx Hero]

My Whole view on the Tsab in Nanoha is the following.

Because of Belkan war, the war that occurred on mid leaving part of the capital abandoned sparked a desire to keep these things from happening agian, plus realization of what leads to those things happenig is what lead to the formation of TSAB.

Also something that many people get confused is that TSAB dose not only include magical societies, but those that are advanced enough, and I quote "technology advanced enough is indistinguishable from magic."

They simply wish to keep worlds from repeating mistakes and get them to join at certain point where technological evolotion doesn't exceed understanding and moral limits.


Also From what I understand is that Ground forces is separate from the ruling body of each world. which makes since so no one has an army to take over a country by some two faced politician. Also the responsibilities are separated into separate armed forces allowing specialty.

The united government reduces the likely hood of war, and other questionable actions since they are all the same side. No spy's for enemy nation, no worrying about making or fearing weapons for security due to invasion by thy neighbor.

Bottom line is the tSAB is not perfect but far more ideal than what we have on Earth. non lethal magic for the masses instead of a lethal weapon . THe unitedgovernment reduces

Sorry if this is not well written.