Naruto Times the anime one-upped the manga
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It's uncommon for a first-timer to pass the second test.
it's VERY IMPRESSIVE for ROOKIE GENIN to make to the third test.
it's UNHEARD of _3_ teams of rookie genin all passing the second test
(I'm not counting Gaara's team, as both Kankuro and Temari were Genin for a couple of years before Gaara becoming a Genin, and the Sound Team were all 14, like Team Guy, therefore unlikely rookies)
Also, all of them, except Sakura, had bloodlimits or Family Jutsu, and were heir of big clans(except, technically, Kiba as he was the cadet, but, yeah, that doesn't change much, and Lee who instead got a kinjutsu).
Even Naruto had his impossible stamina and minor regenerating ability.
Except Sakura and Tenten.
Let's also remember NORMAL Sasuke had CHNIN-worth Chakra reserves at _8_(or even at 7, fucking imprecise timeline).
Sasuke wasn't rookie of the year because he was a pushover, but because he was the fucking best at beating the crap out of everybody in his year
I hate how many think Sasuke was any good only with the Cursed Seal: he's the genius who managed in TWO WEEKS to reach Weight-less Lee's speed(who did train for a goddamn YEAR to become that fast). The same one who, unable to repeat the Lotus, made up on the spot a new effective move.
it's VERY IMPRESSIVE for ROOKIE GENIN to make to the third test.
it's UNHEARD of _3_ teams of rookie genin all passing the second test
(I'm not counting Gaara's team, as both Kankuro and Temari were Genin for a couple of years before Gaara becoming a Genin, and the Sound Team were all 14, like Team Guy, therefore unlikely rookies)
Also, all of them, except Sakura, had bloodlimits or Family Jutsu, and were heir of big clans(except, technically, Kiba as he was the cadet, but, yeah, that doesn't change much, and Lee who instead got a kinjutsu).
Even Naruto had his impossible stamina and minor regenerating ability.
Except Sakura and Tenten.
Let's also remember NORMAL Sasuke had CHNIN-worth Chakra reserves at _8_(or even at 7, fucking imprecise timeline).
Sasuke wasn't rookie of the year because he was a pushover, but because he was the fucking best at beating the crap out of everybody in his year
I hate how many think Sasuke was any good only with the Cursed Seal: he's the genius who managed in TWO WEEKS to reach Weight-less Lee's speed(who did train for a goddamn YEAR to become that fast). The same one who, unable to repeat the Lotus, made up on the spot a new effective move.
87 Konoha genin entered the Chunin Exam. Of those, 15 passed the second test, more than twice as many as were expected.
3 of those Konoha genin can be discounted as they were actually spies with inside help. That Leaves 12 Konoha genin that made it that far on their own merits, out of an expected 6.
Of those 12, 9 were less then a year out of the academy with only a few C rank missions between them. So out of 87 Konoha genin who entered, 75% of the 12 who made it to the preliminaries were inexperienced rookies.
Yeah, those 12 genin were not even remotely "average" or "normal". Those guys were freaks. Insanely powerful and skilled prodigies, even. (Except for maybe Sakura and Tenten who rode on their teammates coattails, and Chouji, Shikimaru and Ino, who just got insanely lucky)
3 of those Konoha genin can be discounted as they were actually spies with inside help. That Leaves 12 Konoha genin that made it that far on their own merits, out of an expected 6.
Of those 12, 9 were less then a year out of the academy with only a few C rank missions between them. So out of 87 Konoha genin who entered, 75% of the 12 who made it to the preliminaries were inexperienced rookies.
Yeah, those 12 genin were not even remotely "average" or "normal". Those guys were freaks. Insanely powerful and skilled prodigies, even. (Except for maybe Sakura and Tenten who rode on their teammates coattails, and Chouji, Shikimaru and Ino, who just got insanely lucky)
I wouldn't say Tenten rode on Lee and Neji's coattail. She's good, she just got unlucky on the prelims getting Temari as adversary.
And Choji, Shika and Ino didn't get more lucky than Team 8, who got the right scroll at their first try with a simple trap(on fellow leaf-nin, too).
Basically, of the rookies only Team 7 had to REALLY sweat for their scroll.
And Choji, Shika and Ino didn't get more lucky than Team 8, who got the right scroll at their first try with a simple trap(on fellow leaf-nin, too).
Basically, of the rookies only Team 7 had to REALLY sweat for their scroll.
If ninja are perfectly willing to kill so casually, then why did Gato have to hire missing-nin to off the bridge-builder?
I've no doubt that ninja are trained and expected to kill people, but it doesn't seem to be something done nearly as casually as you make it sound. The closest thing to an "assassination mission" that appears in canon is the mission to eliminate Hidan and Kakuzu, who are mass murdering criminals. In fact pretty much everyone that shinobi are actually expected to kill in this series are either terrorists or enemy combatants. That's because ever since the creation of the great villages, shinobi are closer to being soldiers then mercenaries. I highly doubt civilian clients are even allowed to purchase assassination contracts. Hence the demand for missing-nins to perform them.
I've no doubt that ninja are trained and expected to kill people, but it doesn't seem to be something done nearly as casually as you make it sound. The closest thing to an "assassination mission" that appears in canon is the mission to eliminate Hidan and Kakuzu, who are mass murdering criminals. In fact pretty much everyone that shinobi are actually expected to kill in this series are either terrorists or enemy combatants. That's because ever since the creation of the great villages, shinobi are closer to being soldiers then mercenaries. I highly doubt civilian clients are even allowed to purchase assassination contracts. Hence the demand for missing-nins to perform them.
I wasn't talking to you and I agree with you. Back when the ninja clans were independent they likely did those kind of things just to stay afloat, but that all ended when Hashirama formed the first village and everyone else banded together to follow suit. They no longer needed to do those kinds of things to survive and could be pickier in the missions they were willing to accept.
However, the downside to this concentration of power in a few villages and the newly discovered concept of nationalism is that it created the possibility of things like ninja world wars. So, not sure how much of an improvement that was in the long run.
However, the downside to this concentration of power in a few villages and the newly discovered concept of nationalism is that it created the possibility of things like ninja world wars. So, not sure how much of an improvement that was in the long run.
Oh right, he did say that didn't he? I'd forgotten how fucking retarded Gato was, thinking his army of untrained thugs could take down 2 Jonin level ninja, one of which was so badass he was a former member of the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist and attempted a coup d'Útat against the mizukage and survived.
Not only that, but he actually tried to kill Zabuza after he had failed at his mission and Gato wouldn't have had to pay him anyway, negating the whole purpose of planning to double-cross him in the first place! God that guy was stupid.
Not only that, but he actually tried to kill Zabuza after he had failed at his mission and Gato wouldn't have had to pay him anyway, negating the whole purpose of planning to double-cross him in the first place! God that guy was stupid.
Well, to be fair, this was before all the power creep. In case you didn't notice, the thugs did exactly what they were brought for- kill an injured and tired Zabuza. Kakashi was supposed to already dead, along with the genin.
Gatou's only mistake was showing up in person to gloat. If he had just stayed home things would have likely went a lot better for him.
Gatou's only mistake was showing up in person to gloat. If he had just stayed home things would have likely went a lot better for him.
Seems the anime is back to fillers.
These ones are taking place on the night of the 4th shinobi war, just after they've figured out what the white zetsu are doing.
279 is all about Team 8, particularly Shino, dealing with the whole, "One of us is a white Zetsu. Let's figure out which" issue.
Kiba teasing Hinata about Naruto was quite funny, as was Shino's point blank refusal to comment on his feelings on missing out on the Sasuke retreval mission.
Other than that; average. Nothing special.
Next episode looks to be about Deidara trying to escape.
These ones are taking place on the night of the 4th shinobi war, just after they've figured out what the white zetsu are doing.
279 is all about Team 8, particularly Shino, dealing with the whole, "One of us is a white Zetsu. Let's figure out which" issue.
Kiba teasing Hinata about Naruto was quite funny, as was Shino's point blank refusal to comment on his feelings on missing out on the Sasuke retreval mission.
Other than that; average. Nothing special.
Next episode looks to be about Deidara trying to escape.
Quite good due to the fact that it shows that even Shino has his weaknesses/natural enemies. It also delves into the relationship of team 8 as well as Shino's psyche. He seems more complex due to being plagued by self doubt in regards to his skills and being helpful to his friends.
It is quite subtle in a way as normal animes/mangas kind of beat the message "Friendship is awesome" really into our head. The framework of Shino teaching the younger generation also worked well as a story telling device.
Naruto working with the legendary 1000 year Genin. It is kind of a slice of life episode as we probably all know people who do not want to take additional responsibilities due to fear of failing.
In this case that guy's personality kind of reflects on Naruto's personality in an odd way as both are not able to take on the role of leader. Naruto due being brash and forward and Kosuke due to having lost comrades under his leadership. The part about both of them being powerful Shinobi easily above Genin level and still working in that rank shows that power is only a small part in the ranking system.
Kosuke's flashbacks to the previous Hokages also worked very well and gives us a nice impression how charismatic the previous leaders were in their own ways.
This episode shows us more about the Torture and Intelligence department. It is quite refreshing to see what happens after the fighting as we are usually only seeing frontline stuff.
This episode also shows us that Japanese anime has more balls than Western cartoons as I can't recall an instance of seeing a woman being savagely beaten to gain information from her. Furthermore, the torture department is not all about rape as some fanfics like to suggest.
As the title suggests there is also a love story between Kakashi and that Kunoichi, which of course made Team 7 quite curious and we get sort of a repeat of the Kakashi's mask episode. In other words the comedy works. Also the feelings between Kakashi and Hanare are quite believable as there seems to be a chemistry between those two. The part of them having two different allegiances that works against them is nicely interwoven into the story.
I'm quite on the fence in regards to episode 182. It could be considered good, but then there are things that are rather cartoonish like Kakashi's use of the Raikiri and Naruto being a bit too obnoxious. I would have preferred him to be more understanding of Gaara's situation instead of being downright hostile. Furthermore, the subject of Gaara being feared by his own village has been already addressed in the manga.
It is a watchable episode, but as I said the subject of Gaara being feared by his own subordinates is nothing new. However, Sunagakure being divided in two factions due to this issue was quite interesting. The resolution of this, however, was too cheesy for my taste.
Episode 230 has been addressed in several fanfics, so it was nice to see it down in the anime at least. Basically Naruto's Kage Bushin develop a bit too much of a personality and start a mutiny.
The good parts are seeing Gai with slicked back hair and the different aspects of Naruto's personality reflected in his clones. Also the humor was quite good and Naruto's clone behaviour rather competently when fighting Gai.
The problem with this episode is that it is too obvious with it's set-up as we see Naruto's out of character behaviour right after a certain incident that makes it obvious what the set-up is. I just can't imagine Naruto to be such an asshole. Even Gai points out that he shouldn't be like that.
This episode is also watchable as the flashbacks are pretty well integrated and shows us the complexity of Naruto's character. It might also be considered a foreshadowing to Dark Naruto, but I have my doubts that this is the case unless there is flashback to this episode.
Episode 235 is also sort of good, but rather bad in some instances. Basically Jiraiys fought a woman from a ninja village in which the women have to be defeated by a man that is stronger than them. This is the only way to get married there as this is a tradition of that village and the population is 100% female. So we get an Amazon theme in this episode.
The best part is the flashback of Jiraiya talking with the mother of Shizuka. It explores his unrequited love to Tsunade and her emotional troubles after Dan's and Nawaki's death. Shizuka's history also adds nicely to the episode. The scene is which is was implied that the a faction in the village killed the love of her life, as that person was just a weak merchant, is quite dark and fits the whole ninja/amazon theme.
The fight with that one puppeteer and Naruto vs Shizuka have been also quite interesting. It showed us that deception plays a big role in ninja fights and flashy techniques can be simple disguises to win the battle.
Of course this episode is still on the honourable mentions list, so you might wonder why. Well, to put it simple, love in the Narutoverse is freaking messed up. The explanation given by Naruto after Shizuka's defeat felt just so wrong.
Sacrificing your chance for the happiness of the person you love is good. That part is understandable and noble. The disturbing part was the morale of stalking the person you love, but not forcing them into loving you. What the fuck?!
Jiraiya's explanation and Naruto's mirrored each other, but the last part of Naruto's made him down right creepy to me.
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As you might have noticed all those episodes were filler as discussing episodes that have the same content as the manga seemed pointless to me. If you liked something in the manga then there is a good chance you will also like it in the anime.
The Pein fight might be an exception due to the bad animation, but personally I loved it. I was reminded of my childhood when I watched Loony Toons all the time. That fight is a guilty pleasure, but nothing to be ashamed of. -_-
It is quite subtle in a way as normal animes/mangas kind of beat the message "Friendship is awesome" really into our head. The framework of Shino teaching the younger generation also worked well as a story telling device.
Naruto working with the legendary 1000 year Genin. It is kind of a slice of life episode as we probably all know people who do not want to take additional responsibilities due to fear of failing.
In this case that guy's personality kind of reflects on Naruto's personality in an odd way as both are not able to take on the role of leader. Naruto due being brash and forward and Kosuke due to having lost comrades under his leadership. The part about both of them being powerful Shinobi easily above Genin level and still working in that rank shows that power is only a small part in the ranking system.
Kosuke's flashbacks to the previous Hokages also worked very well and gives us a nice impression how charismatic the previous leaders were in their own ways.
This episode shows us more about the Torture and Intelligence department. It is quite refreshing to see what happens after the fighting as we are usually only seeing frontline stuff.
This episode also shows us that Japanese anime has more balls than Western cartoons as I can't recall an instance of seeing a woman being savagely beaten to gain information from her. Furthermore, the torture department is not all about rape as some fanfics like to suggest.
As the title suggests there is also a love story between Kakashi and that Kunoichi, which of course made Team 7 quite curious and we get sort of a repeat of the Kakashi's mask episode. In other words the comedy works. Also the feelings between Kakashi and Hanare are quite believable as there seems to be a chemistry between those two. The part of them having two different allegiances that works against them is nicely interwoven into the story.
I'm quite on the fence in regards to episode 182. It could be considered good, but then there are things that are rather cartoonish like Kakashi's use of the Raikiri and Naruto being a bit too obnoxious. I would have preferred him to be more understanding of Gaara's situation instead of being downright hostile. Furthermore, the subject of Gaara being feared by his own village has been already addressed in the manga.
It is a watchable episode, but as I said the subject of Gaara being feared by his own subordinates is nothing new. However, Sunagakure being divided in two factions due to this issue was quite interesting. The resolution of this, however, was too cheesy for my taste.
Episode 230 has been addressed in several fanfics, so it was nice to see it down in the anime at least. Basically Naruto's Kage Bushin develop a bit too much of a personality and start a mutiny.
The good parts are seeing Gai with slicked back hair and the different aspects of Naruto's personality reflected in his clones. Also the humor was quite good and Naruto's clone behaviour rather competently when fighting Gai.
The problem with this episode is that it is too obvious with it's set-up as we see Naruto's out of character behaviour right after a certain incident that makes it obvious what the set-up is. I just can't imagine Naruto to be such an asshole. Even Gai points out that he shouldn't be like that.
This episode is also watchable as the flashbacks are pretty well integrated and shows us the complexity of Naruto's character. It might also be considered a foreshadowing to Dark Naruto, but I have my doubts that this is the case unless there is flashback to this episode.
Episode 235 is also sort of good, but rather bad in some instances. Basically Jiraiys fought a woman from a ninja village in which the women have to be defeated by a man that is stronger than them. This is the only way to get married there as this is a tradition of that village and the population is 100% female. So we get an Amazon theme in this episode.
The best part is the flashback of Jiraiya talking with the mother of Shizuka. It explores his unrequited love to Tsunade and her emotional troubles after Dan's and Nawaki's death. Shizuka's history also adds nicely to the episode. The scene is which is was implied that the a faction in the village killed the love of her life, as that person was just a weak merchant, is quite dark and fits the whole ninja/amazon theme.
The fight with that one puppeteer and Naruto vs Shizuka have been also quite interesting. It showed us that deception plays a big role in ninja fights and flashy techniques can be simple disguises to win the battle.
Of course this episode is still on the honourable mentions list, so you might wonder why. Well, to put it simple, love in the Narutoverse is freaking messed up. The explanation given by Naruto after Shizuka's defeat felt just so wrong.
Sacrificing your chance for the happiness of the person you love is good. That part is understandable and noble. The disturbing part was the morale of stalking the person you love, but not forcing them into loving you. What the fuck?!
Jiraiya's explanation and Naruto's mirrored each other, but the last part of Naruto's made him down right creepy to me.
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As you might have noticed all those episodes were filler as discussing episodes that have the same content as the manga seemed pointless to me. If you liked something in the manga then there is a good chance you will also like it in the anime.
The Pein fight might be an exception due to the bad animation, but personally I loved it. I was reminded of my childhood when I watched Loony Toons all the time. That fight is a guilty pleasure, but nothing to be ashamed of. -_-
This might be on topic but rather it is me looking for where a scene comes from.
While watching AMV's I saw a scene of Kosuke Maruboshi (the 100 year Genin) pulling what looked like the 2nd Hokage's Lightning Blade from it's sheath while in the background several silhouette were jumping out of a red sky.
I'm wondering if anyone can point me to where this scene came from because it looked like it was leading to something kick-ass.
While watching AMV's I saw a scene of Kosuke Maruboshi (the 100 year Genin) pulling what looked like the 2nd Hokage's Lightning Blade from it's sheath while in the background several silhouette were jumping out of a red sky.
I'm wondering if anyone can point me to where this scene came from because it looked like it was leading to something kick-ass.