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Personally I think they handled this completely wrong, getting angry at JMS was the wrong move, or at least posting in anger was the wrong move. It would've been better to post raw data that countered his post and left it at that.
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Personally I think they handled this completely wrong, getting angry at JMS was the wrong move, or at least posting in anger was the wrong move. It would've been better to post raw data that countered his post and left it at that.
Especially since JMS is right. The editorial mandate that pretty much assured his leaving, which Marvel has allowed to continue, is a state of affairs that no one likes. I'm pretty sure that Spidey will not sell close to what he should until the idiocy about his marriage is retconned away.
All in all, the Marvel editorial team is complete shit. Hell, they've even been driving the X titles down. Something most considered nearly impossible, especially with another big civil rights movement in the works as a real life backdrop.
All in all, the Marvel editorial team is complete shit. Hell, they've even been driving the X titles down. Something most considered nearly impossible, especially with another big civil rights movement in the works as a real life backdrop.
That said they had a point. It was incredibly petty of JMS. The new author is trying his hardest with fenuinely fun and entertaining stories. Spider Island was Marvel's big event for me. Beating out Fear Itself. peter's gotten out of that relationship with the blond, and on the verge of getting back together with MJ. His secret identity can now be deducted. Strange's spell to ptotect him is over.
Sorry if my spelling is not up to par. Phone is really hard to type on.
Sorry if my spelling is not up to par. Phone is really hard to type on.
As I don't work in Marvel, I don't know the numbers. The best I could do would be looking up Diamond estimates, which would be investing far more effort in this than it deserves.
Does it really matter though? Even in one of the links you have given, one can see there are three Spider-Man books in the top 25 books this December. One Spider-Man book, within the top 15 last year's December (which I think was because there was only one Amazing published that month due to it being an extra sized issue, don't remember that well). One year before that, we have once again three Spider-Man books within the top 25 of December. And so on.
Does it really matter though? Even in one of the links you have given, one can see there are three Spider-Man books in the top 25 books this December. One Spider-Man book, within the top 15 last year's December (which I think was because there was only one Amazing published that month due to it being an extra sized issue, don't remember that well). One year before that, we have once again three Spider-Man books within the top 25 of December. And so on.
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LightningHunter said:
The extent of JMS trolling was to post a chart and then the words 'Just saying...'
The only reply required was a chart that counters the one posted by JMS and the words 'Just clarifying...'
Going into a tirade about it does nothing, and this isn't somethig a professional representative of a company (or a person who can be percieved as one) should be caught doing. Yes people get angry, but we're adults and having JMS spout an opinion based on flawed data is not enough justification to go off the deep end. If you have to, stand up and walk away from your computer before posting. Take some time to consider what you are going to say and how it will look in the end.
A reasoned, accurate response to JMS post would've been more useful than the current situation. Especially since it shows how the most important people, the customers actually feel about the current state of affairs.
And in the end, they're the ones whose opinions matter.
The only reply required was a chart that counters the one posted by JMS and the words 'Just clarifying...'
Going into a tirade about it does nothing, and this isn't somethig a professional representative of a company (or a person who can be percieved as one) should be caught doing. Yes people get angry, but we're adults and having JMS spout an opinion based on flawed data is not enough justification to go off the deep end. If you have to, stand up and walk away from your computer before posting. Take some time to consider what you are going to say and how it will look in the end.
A reasoned, accurate response to JMS post would've been more useful than the current situation. Especially since it shows how the most important people, the customers actually feel about the current state of affairs.
And in the end, they're the ones whose opinions matter.
I expect the representative of a company to show more thought and tact than the average internet poster. I am fairly sure that the US Military has guidlines on what can and can not be posted on various social media sites because they do not want a single person (or group of people) making them all look bad. A difficult task considering the wide range of ages, backgrouds and personalities that are currently in the US military.
How you present yourself online is imortant for an organization. Look at the recent flap with Ocean Marketing. A bit more courtesy and professionalism would've seen that entire debacle avoided. However, the OM rep decided to get an attitude and the whole thing went down hill from there.
Now I am not saying this incident will harm Marvel's business, but a lack of restraint on the parts of some of it's employees could eventually cause a problem. Which is why I am encouraging calm and reasoned responses that adress the issue raised without turning into tirades.
How you present yourself online is imortant for an organization. Look at the recent flap with Ocean Marketing. A bit more courtesy and professionalism would've seen that entire debacle avoided. However, the OM rep decided to get an attitude and the whole thing went down hill from there.
Now I am not saying this incident will harm Marvel's business, but a lack of restraint on the parts of some of it's employees could eventually cause a problem. Which is why I am encouraging calm and reasoned responses that adress the issue raised without turning into tirades.
I never found why people thought JMS was so great. Dude declares boldly that he'll take on Superman and Wonder Woman and everyone praises him. Drops them both after a year with mess ridden plots, and forced other writers to clean up after him. (Superman: Grounded, or at least the parts JMS wrote was fucking terrible. Refute this, I dare you.)
Personally on this issue, I think JMS was a being a dick with the chart, and was happy to see Mark Waid and the folks at Marvel slap him down a bit.
Personally on this issue, I think JMS was a being a dick with the chart, and was happy to see Mark Waid and the folks at Marvel slap him down a bit.
And I'd agree with you in this case, if what the Marvel employees did was anywhere near as bad and unprovoked as what the Ocean Marketing douchebag did. The analogy you're attempting to make there is ludicrous.
Anyways, if anything, your argument just lends further support to the idea that JMS is most at fault here, or at least that his actions are the least desirable for a corporation looking for professional behavior. Would you hire a man with a history of badmouthing employers in an extremely public setting (I don't know how many people he has following his facebook, but I'd imagine it's a lot) after the terms of their employment are done?
Anyways, if anything, your argument just lends further support to the idea that JMS is most at fault here, or at least that his actions are the least desirable for a corporation looking for professional behavior. Would you hire a man with a history of badmouthing employers in an extremely public setting (I don't know how many people he has following his facebook, but I'd imagine it's a lot) after the terms of their employment are done?
I don't care whose more at fault, I'm disappointed in both sides, but the guys at Marvel could've easily ignored or handled this in a much better fashion. When you are in the spotlight, as they are, and your words reflect on you and the organization. Ocean Marketing is just the next most recent example of this I coul think of and it's something I am getting tired of seeing from grown adults.
Someone posts something that annoys a memeber of an organization and they feel compelled to respond. However, they quickly fall to insults and yelling which isn't really solving anything or doing anything to improve the company's image. Yes this was on facebook, and in all honesty since it was just JMS talking on his facebook page the whole thing could've been ignored by the guys at marvel. If they're really doing that well than nothing JMS says is going to hurt sales. However if they felt that they had to respond a simple post of sales figures was all that was required.
I am sick and tired of people yelling at each other when we should be capable of calmly discussing our difference, and respectfully disagreeing with one another. Had the mavel guys either ignored it, or just posted the actual sales figures the entire thing would've blown over very quickly without further comment.
Someone posts something that annoys a memeber of an organization and they feel compelled to respond. However, they quickly fall to insults and yelling which isn't really solving anything or doing anything to improve the company's image. Yes this was on facebook, and in all honesty since it was just JMS talking on his facebook page the whole thing could've been ignored by the guys at marvel. If they're really doing that well than nothing JMS says is going to hurt sales. However if they felt that they had to respond a simple post of sales figures was all that was required.
I am sick and tired of people yelling at each other when we should be capable of calmly discussing our difference, and respectfully disagreeing with one another. Had the mavel guys either ignored it, or just posted the actual sales figures the entire thing would've blown over very quickly without further comment.